Guild Wars 2

Hi removing conditions with burst abilities. /end thread.

“Enemies under Torment will take damage periodically; as they move, they’ll take even more damage. In looking to expand the condition diversity of thieves and mesmers, we decided to include Torment skills for those two professions as well.”

I’ll definitely be switching my Mesmer back to a condi specc, as it was my favorite way to play my Mesmer. Maybe this next patch will make us a reliable source of applicable condition damage again. I’m excited for the possibilities of Torment!

Estus.1726:

I believe that W3 is working exactly the way that ANET designed it.

The problem is, sPvP isn’t.

Your name is Azgarn,
It looks like you were born in a barn,
Maybe that’s why when you poo,
you always rhyme it with a “you.”

Dude Narsil I don’t even know why you’re talking trash I have absolutely demolished you multiple times 1v1 it’s not even funny now you just run at the sight of me every time back to the keeps or towers or spawn or camp and then just port away to another boarderland you even rage quit that one time while I was stomping you with my awesome deer stomps you couldn’t handle the humiliation of the deer stomp I know it’s just so embarrassing to lose to a PAXA member 1v1 for you you don’t even lift bro you can’t handle 1v1s go PvE that’s all ur good at auto attack some mobs that don’t fight back I bet you can handle that bro get outttttaaa hearrrr do some lifting before trying to trash talk us bro get wrecked 1v1

Sounds like Moobs is angry about dying again.

If they just changed the size, it wouldn’t be a hard fix. Getting into the design of different races, definitely would be a lengthy operation.

If they don’t want to get rid of the downed system, since PvE/WvW/PvP are all separate now they should make the downed system different in each platform. PvE – keep it the same as it is. WvW – remove the rally system, only way to get up is from resing. I would even go as far as saying you have to be out of combat to help res a downed ally. PvP- just remove the downed state, seems like more people hate it than like it.

Penguin.5197:

Imo all they really have to do without making drastic changes is make all asura max size for asura in pvp.

imo it’s more the proportions of an asura that makes their abilities more difficult to see. A full sized asura is still more difficult to see animations than a human, for example.

Shhh, let the little Jinxy bear think he outwitted all of us “trolls.”

Jinx.7258:

Again saying nothing meaningless.

Why thank you for the compliment, good sir.

Jinx.7258:

He’s asking for advice, my advice was: Pick a class you like the way it works, learn to play it and adapt to the needs of your friend(s).

Nah, your advice was to pick up a zerg and stop running 5 mans.

In response to your “5 thieves” group. 5 good players will always win against 5 lesser skilled players, no matter the group make up. 5 of one class vs. 5 of a well thought group composition of equal skill level? Those 5 thieves would lose every time.

Zumi.6384:

The main reason I’m asking this on the forums is that I main a Mesmer and most (if not all) viable Mesmer builds are relatively selfish when it comes to traits, so the biggest benefit we bring to groups are our utilities (null field, veil, portal, mass invis, etc.).

Mesmers can actually be very solid group oriented players as well. Chaos armor is arguably one of the best buffs in the game. If your group is coordinated well you can keep chaos armor up with just one Mesmer for a decent amount of time. On top of that, running signet of inspiration with the boons that chaos armor gives you, you can keep some key boons up on your party for a pretty significant amount of time. With that said, my Mesmer is very selfish

In this case, you’re the random forum warrior. Have a nice day.

Jinx.7258:

Currently being in a 5-man group in WvW is THE worst idea that could have occured on you. Why? 5 men will easily kill 1 or 2 enemy players and will easily be wiped by the guild raids going in WvW which are between 20-35 players.

And you dont need to have traits “synergized” to be effective as a team in WvW. All you need is to know your class and how this game works.

Im playing HGH engi and I do play equally in both solo and group scenarioes. And there’s no “perfect class match up group”, Ive seen 5 thieves surviving and killing as much as SPvP groups roaming in WvW having no doubles as of classes.

You have no idea, thus your comments are ill-informed and irrelevant.

Zumi.6384:

This was generally the direction I was thinking, although I hadn’t thought of a Necro being a central part of the setup. I thought Mesmer would be a very good addition since we bring a lot of things that are unavailable by other classes.

Your point about engies is interesting. Why wouldn’t you recommend them in a 5 man? From what I’ve seen (never played one past level 20) they have quite a lot of CC and could be a good addition to any group to help lock down targets.

For starters, the skill cap for engies are probably the highest in the game. So finding a viable engie is hard… but if you find one all the power to you! Don’t get me wrong, a good engie can be extremely effective. It’s just in my experiences an engie’s shoes can be filled by another, more beneficial class.

falrin.4206:

Only if I had started to record the numerous times I wanted to 1v1 a member of DETH….only to see them turn and run away/wp back to spawn…..Not speaking of all of DETH, but the majority of them will only 2v1, 3v1, 4v1, etc. I have NEVER faced anyone from DETH 1v1, kind of sad actually. You are more like the PAXA of FC to be honest, so go brag about 20v5’s somewhere else.

Haha a shot at PAXA… surprise, surprise! Pro tip: this game isn’t balanced around 1v1s, and you sure as hell are looking in the wrong place for them in WvW. With that said, I would gladly roflstomp you 1v1 if you’d like.

I think every group needs 2 guardians and a necro. From there, it’s kind of personal preference and what works best for your group specifically. Mesmers and thieves are useful for stealthing the party for a clutch rez or fleeing the scene when the odds are against you. Hammer warriors are great CC and damage if you’re not fighting a perma stability group. Rifle warriors can do some insane burst if you’re lacking single target damage. Having an ele is always nice too. A perfect group in my mind is:

Heal/Support guardian
DPS/Support guardian
Condi necro
Shatter mesmer
Rifle/GS warrior (must be an Asura)

Again, the mesmer and warrior can be replaced and still be a wrecking ball of a group… the guardians and necro are the backbone.

I would say, mind you this is all just personal opinions and I’m not trying to offend anyone, avoid running with engies and rangers. In a group of 3, they’re fine to have… but if you’re planning on running with 5 their usefulness diminishes and their roles can be fulfilled by other classes.

ouch.

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HatasGunnaHate.3627:

Jakare.6807 = BS not PAXA…

You [VP] pros using logic and stuff! God you make KoM look terrible!

KTDannyCZ.2910:

HAHAHAHAHA oh god.. im just used to PAXA trying kitten their load on me. My mistake. as for the picture.. i quite like it

Mmm ahhh, yes… what ARE this.

KTDannyCZ.2910:

If PAXA actually knew a single god kitten thing about WvW you would know this was just a badge farm for fun.. we already own 100% of EB and there were 9 arrow carts and a flame ram in there. Ask anyone in that group if we were serious or not.

What ARE this?

Narsil.6579:

Oh osif osif you must be mistaking me with yourself and your other zerglins, infact first logical flaw is that at times we have no keep or towers, and another logical flaw is i solo roam around camps , and I usually never run away unless its a 1v2 or 3 at most, usually i stand my ground. I’m sorry sir but I keep track of those who give me a fair fight for my money, I usually add them and they are usually nice people, I don’t care whether you are PAXA or PHZE or VLK, to me it is just a tag, I don’t let anyone piggyback on their guild’s tag, in fact i rather they show me their skills, if they win i accept defeat and i make a new friend who is better then me and I fight him / her because a challenge is fun, if I win i don’t pin them I add them to my friends list and we have another round, but as for others, even those who use towers such as your friends and use guards and always fail to kill only to run in at low hp, so my dear new friend, from mesmer to mesmer , ill see you around

nah pretty sure that was you

Gosh, whenever I see that Narsil guy he is just running back into his keep or running into his zerg whenever I attack him by myself. This one time, I almost downed him… but he used his superior skills to wtfbbqsawce away into a keep. I was baffled by his amazingness. This guy is the real deal, folks.

katz.8376:

here. Devon can update his link now, and hopefully we can all have a LOL.

http://eredonterrace.enjin.com/forum/m/11529470/viewthread/7457549-official-unofficial-paxa-hate-thread/page/1

cuz this kitten is getting old.

and as requested… score update… with a side of sexy

Just took the time to watch about a minute of the video. Very nice keyboard turning and clicking. Skill beyond belief. I retract my earlier statement, watch out KoM, these guys will roll you without a problem.

Am I the only one excited to see this ReaperMask guy that has no idea who KoM is get rickrolled repeatedly? Please, KoM, record your fights with this guy. I know it will only be about a 10 second fight of you blowing them up, but I will thoroughly enjoy it.

All your forum are belong to PAXA.

HatasGunnaHate.3627:

Jscull.2514:

Samhaim.8956:

I really don’t care whether you can beat moobs 1v1 or not, if you can good for you for proving him wrong in-game.
There is no need to flatter yourself thinking we would need a dedicated team to beat you guys, because we don’t i’ve seen it happen and the numbers were pretty equal.
And not saying you havent, but i’d like to see a video of PAXA going against 30 FC.
No need to get so worked up over this, like you said, its just a video game.

You will most certainly need a dedicated team to compete with us under 7-8 players.

I don’t even like PAXA
I have to agree with Jscull.

That hurts my feelings.
Both of your statements.

Gahzirra.8639:

Will have to check video but I don’t remember seeing him have help in a few of the assaults since there were several (you always get some randoms trying to help its unavoidable), but at work so cannot cite exampkitten ttom line what this was in ref too, thats skill whatever Jscull was talking about 6v20 on most likely a bunch of non coordinated up leveled puggers not brag worthy. Show me pulling off stuff like Buka and kudo’s will be given.

I have no doubt PAXA could pull off great things given the numbers, you guys are well coordinated but it is a whole lot easier coordinating 5 people then 20+ thats just fact no slight to PAXA or any of the other skirmishers. A commander hat quickly attracts all the puggers and BP was mainly a pug server.

edit: for unnecessary censorship “example” realy?

Ya I wasn’t able to watch the whole video either since the internet is wonky right now at work, but I watched the first fight he had. He was never even focused and was hardly touched in the first fight. Besides, any good Mesmer can take on a larger number of bad/upscaled players. I don’t have time anymore to make vids (hopefully will again in the future) but here’s an older one of me doing similar stuff as Buka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPVcoo5cFSs

Prysin.8542:

6 – mesmer (they got portals and invis, that’s it)

Never heard of an ethereal field, have you? Or boon sharing, for those unselfish mesmers.

Great Players > Good Players > Average Players > Bad Players > Terrible Players

That’s my list.

Oozo.7856:

So, he jumps into ten people by himself and kills most of them in his opening burst? Guess the AoE cap doesn’t apply to this guy then.

He also appears to be getting his revenge with a group of people with him.

Yeah I was about to say…

Well, it’s obvious that from his videos, Buka is a good Mesmer. No doubt about that. 1v10ing though…. ya not so much.

Gahzirra.8639:

Then you didnt watch all his Vids, watch the one where he is mad cause he got killed by a large group and he takes revenge 30+ kills to his 1-2 deaths. yes he does take on a huge amount they even try to portal bomb him.

Please do link then, kind sir.

Gahzirra.8639:

watch Buka’s mesmer Vid’s well planned coordinated strikes against motley rag tag groups happen. Or if you Pro, like him would love to see your Vid on 1v10.

I think I’ve watched his vids. Good Mesmer. I don’t think I recall him killing 10 people all by his lonesome, though.

AphoticEssance.7592:

osif.8673:

Conspiracies!!!!!

:) Thanks for this.

Made me realize something…

I am a bad forum warrior.

Think we should all just just try to have fun today and tomorrow. Might be a while before we see each other again on the battlefield.

Yeah, it’s better to start in the minor leagues before stepping up to where the big boys, like me, play!

Conspiracies!!!!!

AphoticEssance.7592:

seeing people talk trash in our guild chat speaks volumes to how mad you really are.

huh?

but I just want to say that we do not care what your guild name is, nor do we care who you are.

huh????

Good thing confusion was nerfed for the BP forum warriors.

Excuse my simple friend, Zelrin. He thinks he’s funny but doesn’t understand the concept of “TL;DR.”

I LIKE TURTLES…………

Oh hey it’s [GOAT]! Is my bff Plokity Plok still around?!

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

subcrazy.1098:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

stuff

I just want to talk about boons they wont have 100% up time on anything unless they are organized zerg which I know is out there and that’s cool. The reason boons are not on 100% of the time is cause u cant zergball no more you need to spread out and if ur not by ur guard (for example) your not getting boons from him no more cause your out of range.

There’s a problem with that, though. If the group gathers together AND stacks retaliation up, then they lose the need to ever fragment themselves. They can just stack up all the boons they want because whomever attacks them will be hit with 50 ticks of retaliation for every attack. Even if you assume it only does about 200 damage per tick that comes to 10,000 damage with every AoE. It’s enough to drop a zerker elementalist or thief in one attack. Even while wandering around when not in combat, they can keep permanent uptime on retaliation without using blast finishers. They can also keep permanent stealth up, and also have better stability.

Removing the AoE caps on boons just helps the bigger groups get stronger and smaller groups fall behind. The bigger groups get more classes, they get more boons, and they get better boons. They also get better heals, and more AoEs to fight back with. Ultimately, the boon target cap MUST remain in place, especially if the AoE target damage cap is removed.

It would obviously need tweaking rather than just getting rid of the AoE cap – for example making boon spreading group based. That’s just the simplest idea off the top of my head that could work.

Dang I must have missed some good forum drama it looks like a lot of posts got deleted. Can I get a forum update please?

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

BULK.8367:

Oh and props to KING for getting merked 3v6. Hat off to you guys…

Ahaha someone seems mad, idk who in KING kitten ed in your wheaties but if you need to talk about it bro im here for you.

I like the BS guys, but I hear Bulky Boy has some problems.

Hickeroar.9734:

Stop. Stop. STOP.

Stop trying to discourage zerging. I am SO sick of seeing these whiny threads over and over with people crying about zergs endlessly, and how they’re unfair to small groups of roamers. OF COURSE they are. That’s the POINT.

The majority of people in WvW love the zerg experience. There is NOTHING wrong with the zerging experience. Strength in numbers. It’s simple, elementary math.

If you don’t like zerging….don’t do it. Simple as that.

I personally only like to zerg when it’s in an organized guild setting, and I roam/havok the rest of the time, but zerging is a VERY IMPORTANT part of WvW for a myriad of reasons. You can roam on any class you want. You just have to build for it. I’ve done it on Ranger. I’ve done it on Ele. I’ve done it on Guardian for pete’s sake.

If ANet removed the ability to zerg from the game, WvW attendance would plummet.

If you want 1v1, go play sPvP. You get objective capturing, and small groups.

When devs think there is something wrong with the mechanic, there’s something wrong.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

The one that needs to ego stroke is the one calling my post ignorant.

Hitting close to your home I know.

Yup, he’s definitely stroking his ego. Hit the nail on the head with that one, buddy!

mezo.9568:

Mkay. I don’t think you guys are giving your enemy enough credit. If they are killing you, then you are fighting too big of a group, or they are more skilled than you think. Even if the zerg of 30 mostly “unskilled” if they have 1/6th of their group skilled enough to dodge roll, they are gonna wipe you. And you should wipe to that, you should not win that fight. I wont “pander” to you guys, I’m obviously not quite on your level, maybe my humble tactics on how to break them down might be put to use by you and you might have an epiphany.
Thanks for your time, you made my Friday after lunch fly by, 15 more minutes til I’m outta here! Good luck with your “tactics”!

Oh boy. We aren’t complaining about wiping to zergs. Small groups being hindered by game mechanics is what we are talking about.

Oh Bulky Boy, you’re a funny one.

Oozo.7856:

This thread is like watching someone trying to teach multi-variable calculus to someone who hasn’t passed basic algebra.

I could do it.

mezo.9568:

Response in bold above and :

Hmm. I think it’s neat that you can drop people quickly, but they aren’t necessarily out of the fight. Their allies can either choose to assist them and give up on you temporarily (giving you time to escape the situation WITH PRIDE) or if they chase after you, you can fight them and get your fight. Obviously if the group is large enough to do both, this is the scenario where you’re fighting with your fists instead of your head. You need to break that group up a lot more.

Trust me, we understand small group tactics. You just restated what I said with stringing them out and such. My point is if they are bad enough to get dropped by our initial attack, it should really be more than that 5 people in a zergball that get downed. And yes, removing the AoE cap would definitely change things as much as we think in certain situations.