Guild Wars 2

Hekatombaion.4320:

Little bit of advice though- apparently a lot of GW2 players have a 12 year old mentality so if you deny being a mindless zerg they’ll label you as one specifically because they think the term bothers you.

I think the term “mindless” is pushin it too far, atleast from TC perspective. Sure a lot of our pugs can be just following orders and run after the blue dorito, but many also keep constantly checking the map to see if any crucial point is under attack, we even watch when yaks are being ganked on their way so we know the proximity of enemies. Many relay these info to commanders on the spot and we immediately divert our forces based on priorities. We have many PvE’ers who want to try out W3 and run around to get a taste of capturing points, etc. If a zerg is automatically “mindless” we can agree that they exist on all servers. I wouldn’t call [ULTD] a mindless zerg, although I’ve seen them field a lot of numbers in their zergs compared to us on a BL, or someone like [KH] from CD who also field quite a lot of numbers. These 2 guilds come to my mind on both servers immediately when we talk about the term “zergs”, and nobody on TC can call them mindless for sure, since we’ve been rolled over by them and also wiped them off our map at times. We know it takes a lot of coordinated effort from all the players in that “zerg” and a mindless one at that can easily be defeated if half of the zerg doesn’t know what they are doing.

Regarding an alliance, while most of TC would like a challenge, as myself and many others have previously posted, its quite difficult to maintain for more than a half day. None of our 3 servers have any internal formal alliances and not many players visit the forums. If any alliance between 2 servers has been proposed and even agreed upon, it takes only a smaller guild or a group of 4-5 pugs to invade an ally’s BL and take a camp. That’s enough to destroy the whole alliance thing. It might work in top tier servers where every server has some sort of “Alliance” internally and all players are properly communicated to, regarding which enemy to target, and whom to treat as an ally. In our tier, I don’t think it would actually work, unless both servers maintain patience for a couple of days to forgive ally’s mistakes and target the common enemy. Unfortunately, by then, your ally might actually take advantage and push far ahead of you in terms of points which again might cause trust issues between each other. While Anet intended such alliances to happen, its nearly impossible in reality(not completely, but almost).

I was there in EB for a while last night (earlier this morning for you NA folks) during the golem rush by CD. Was quite fun seeing all those golems go down before reaching inner gates while my mesmer kept throwing clones at each of them to do my job. Later someone asked for a focus elementalist to protect a wall from your treb fire. I decided to login with mine which I didn’t quite touch since the last 3 months. Had lots of fun throwing around your zerg with my tornado. Eventually you guys took me down at one point and I had to hit the bed, so I left. Fun fights, thanks CD!

Again 2hrs ago I logged back in and saw half the TCBL under attacks/taken by CD/freshly recapped by TC (TC garrison). Was quite disheartening to see that, but again, good fights at Hills keep with FA zergs on both sides, and at Redlake. If you see a blue sylvari staff elementalist who doesn’t mind running into you in tornado mode, that’s me. Great fights, lots of fun!

As already been warned by mods, let’s keep this thread civil and deal with our grudges in-game :P

P.S: Again, WTH is wrong with Sunnyhill tower!? Yesterday I mentioned one enemy player walking through the same gate and fighting and dieing there, and then the NPC. Earlier I noticed that the gate itself is totally see-through, as in, its there but it looks like it isn’t! Is it still the same? I even saw one of our players walk through that area like its platform 9 3/4 from Harry Potter but when I tried to, I couldn’t and had to go through green gate portal. Maybe I lost the magic ticket!

ryan.3915:

Not sure if CD has that much to share, since you guys are obviously advanced in your tactics. One of which is using ele focus skill 4 to protect siege and keep walls. I don’t know why our eles hardly ever do that. We just sit there and let the siege get hit by other ballista.

Well there’s always something new we can learn, either from each other or something new that might be the result of ever-changing circumstances in a battlefield. Wars are always evolving; play styles always change. Tactics should evolve based on the fight as long as it is within the game’s rules.

Shrouded.6450:

I don’t know about anyone else in TC, but it was disheartening to see SOR/Blackgate wiping us off our own borderland back then. That’s why I also prioritize it first, its also the reason why we dont mind you guys double-teaming us. We want to be prepared just in case we have to face these two again…

That was when I started being a regular in W3, and I still remember our butts getting handed over to us; that’s when I got motivated to be a regular, and how much contributing in whatever way to your server means. Before that, it was just 4 more maps for me to finish for 100% map.

This was the same reason I mentioned in my previous posts, that CD-FA alliance would benefit TC as a whole. It’ll help us get out of our safe zone and learn to defend on both fronts and push the enemy. We’ll have a chance to learn new tactics. And if things work out well for either servers and actually close the gap and manage to push us to 2nd place, we’ll learn from what we did wrong and improvise in the next matchup. Or if we manage to stay on top, we’ll have an increased morale and momentum and atleast stand a chance to maintain ourselves in T2 if we get there.

Raincrow.1840:

In the meantime TC doesn’t need to keep near as many in their home lands, because neither server is willing to push there. This of course, leaves them free to push wherever they want.

Well many of us who are regulars on TCBL, just feel comfortable there, even if it means just to defend, flip quaggan nodes, flip sentries, tick siege, and what not. This is the feeling I get from many familiar faces I find myself with – they all like to be on TCBL or occasionally EB. EB is sort of a maze to me. I hardly go there, except when there’s a zerg train running around, to level my alts :p. Otherwise, I’d rather defend my home territory.

Also, the moment I step into another BL’s on my alts (if at all I do), my eyes are on TCBL map always to assess if its a right decision to move to a different turf while my home is in danger. If its occasional sentry/camp flip and I see they are getting flipped back by our guys, I’m at rest and do whatever I am doing on other BL. If I notice that it’s not happening, I know its time to pack up and drive back home. Many of us upgrade keeps/towers at personal expense incl siege blueprints and run dolyaks to stack up supplies, and it’d be sad to see all that lost to enemies. That’s a general feeling I see among many of us.

Any idea if they have AMA any sooner? Somebody might actually bring this whole thread to their attention. Not that they’d respond or do something, but it’d be bringing this issue to their notice face-to-face.

Just wondering, does the gate at Sunnyhill on TCBL (or any gate for that matter), glitch occasionally? Yesterday while Sunny was under attack, I was behind the gate defending it and out of nowhere one enemy just ran through the gate and died there. I asked others did the gate just glitch, some thought I was talking about the mesmer illusions (trust me I have a level 62 mesmer and I’m well aware of how illusions look or act, dead clones don’t lie dead at the spot, they shatter and vanish). The dead body was lying there for quite a long time without the gate ever going down. I say glitched because I also saw the Charr Veteran guard who respawned outside the gate suddenly walked through the gate and ran inside. I’m sure that person must’ve been as shocked as I was to see his/her body run through gate and lie dead there, or it was some exploit. Didn’t manage to see which class it was as the player died as soon as entered. We were busy defending it and repairing the gate after the failed assault and I forgot to take a screenshot

Ansimika.7162:

15 pages, dear god. I cannot believe this still hasn’t gotten a proper response. This is insane. Even if this plays out to be some kind of bug, what kind of customer service is this? Clearly they are watching, yet they are doing nothing but lurking their own forum. It makes absolutely no sense.

They’re farming “infractions”. Atleast they’re more successful with that than us who farm loot.

Allusir.5630:

I really don’t think this is some plot to get us to buy more gold through the gem store. With the huge inflation of items in the trade post the gold that I would get from gems isn’t worth nearly as much and I feel like there’s just not enough bang for the buck right now. I doubt I’m the only one thinking this.

There’s a lot on the plate right now. Adding that new island and FotM between halloween and wintersday was maybe a bit ambitious. I would say I’d rather other things be fixed first before new permanent content is added, but what’s done is done. I would rather they not skip holiday events (and I doubt they will just for this). There’s also a lot of bugs they are fixing with the events, NPC’s getting stuck and whatnot.

There’s just a lot to do, and fixing an economy isn’t something that can be done over night. I’m sure there is a lot of brainstorming going into it. Too far into increasing the drop rate in open world and there would be no point in dungeons, too little and we get what we have now.

Give it some time, it’s a game. You can still play it without having a legendary weapon and full exotic armor (heaven knows I have). It was still fun to kill a giant icy dragon even if I didn’t even get so much as a green from the chest. It’s still fun to find a dwarf tombstone in a remote corner of the shiverpeaks. Don’t get me wrong, I love loot and would love to craft using just drops again. If I didn’t care at all I wouldn’t have taken the time to add my feedback and what I’ve noticed.

As for no response from ArenaNet, I’m not surprised after the rage the moderator got for saying to please keep the conversation going, this is helping the team make the game better in time. Even if they got on and said “we’re aware of the problem, sorry for the grief it’s causing you, we are working on it” there would be a flood of QQ that it’s not fast enough. They take their time on everything to try to make the game the best they can. How long did the game release get pushed back because they wanted underwater content?

How long did they take to fix dye drops? Not more than 3 days if I remember. 100 Gems to gold used to be 37-40s earlier, now its 1g 25s and around that. You can kill a dragon once and feel happy about an epic event, and move on without caring about loot. If you do same thing so many times expecting loot, you’ll be frustrated. Smell the roses? We’ve smelt all of them. Yea sure the game can be played well without legendary or exotic. But if there’s no goal in the game, there’s no point in playing it. Different players like to do different things – some like open world farming, some like dungeons, some like to do maps, etc. But one thing common in all of these is – loot drops, the basic aspect of any RPG, including MMO’s. Many of us are casual players. We’ve limited play time per day. We spend that time doing various things to progress, and expect something in return to see that we’re “progressing”. If leveling up is the only thing I need, I could buy kittenload of gems and convert to gold and craft all the way to 80. Not everyone needs to be a “stand around smelling roses doing nothing else” kinda player, it won’t work in the long run. What once was a better game, is now getting pushed down to ground. And yeah, 90% of players hate underwater combat and many avoid going underwater just for that, so yes, if they pushed game release just for that, it’s disappointing.

Medazolam.3058:

Nothing I’ve come across is this game hurt as much as farming sparks for multiple hours (with gem store magic find boost and all possible food/armor magic find) and not even getting a rare drop let alone a lodestone.

Times like these make me think again about buying a 5 pack of magic find boosters, I know it’s not pay to win, but if you buy something (with gold, gems or cash) it should at least work.

Maybe I should start a thread on the bug page about gem store MF boosters, if they won’t at least adress if the are currently working or not, then they really should stop selling them.

Till date, I have only 3 charged lodestones. I’ve farmed them for a long time and one day I got one lodestone and 2 more the next day and that’s it. Now people even don’t do Dwayna’s event with the FAIL drop rates, and the area in CS where you can farm sparks is always full of corruption. I don’t know if I’ll manage to get my Legendary in the next 4-5 years with this situation. I also fail to get T6 mats needed for it. Is Anet just ignoring its playerbase and trying to applaud itself with buggy special events?

I don’t understand why should DR be there at all!
If there are bots, people would report them or put some kind of mechanic to prevent botting that doesn’t affect real players. Bots can stay all day long and farm without getting tired or bother about the drops. Real players are still humans, they have real lives, they are investing their time & money on getting some decent stuff to maintain their characters over a long-term. DR is like taking a dump on real players just to battle a few bots. Even after DR we still have a few bots here and there untouched, so not sure how is DR really helping with bots issue.

Now THIS is what would get TC back in action. Last 3 weeks have definitely caused a lot of laid back attitude on our server, and it has been evident every now and then over the weekend. Both CD & FA are giving us good fights on both sides of TCBL.

If the two servers are going to form an alliance, it IS for the greater good in the case of TC. Here we’re talking about moving up to T2, where we’d be facing servers with wider coverages, better tactics, more population, and hell we would hardly manage to get out of our spawn without numbers advantage OR better tactics combined with numbers. A formal CD-FA alliance would give us a practice for those situations (if we get into T2 any sooner). Our strength has always been large number of pugs that are quite good at following commanders and lately they have been getting good at maintaining siege in a tower/keep & even camps. People are willing to take responsibilities. But IF this week’s matchup remains similar to last 3 weeks, and IF we manage to climb up into T2, we’re going to have a tough time against those servers with the comfort zone we’ve been falling into. But yes, a formal alliance can easily be broken from the actions of random pugs/guilds that don’t even read enemy’s name but go by “if you’re red you’re dead” philosophy. What would start as a skirmish might end up as a battle, and eventually end up in a disaster – something for both servers to take note of while teaming up.

And regarding TC being full, keep in mind that its the overall server population, not W3 pop. I saw queues only for first 3hrs after reset maybe. After that I haven’t seen any more queues.

Overall great fights over the weekend. Wish it remains this throughout the week, instead of the result being decided within 2 days after reset or one server settling in its zone than pushing ahead. And yes, let’s keep the discussion civil

I’m sure today’s maintenance has improved the drop rates for…. porous bones! yayyyy!!!

I guess lots of people are having issues since the maintenance. Nothing new here :P…they do maintenance to further mess up the game. Am at work, so not sure if its ok now.

The nonsense has calmed down for sure, just some 6 posts ago. Now pls rest the drama, and keep it reserved for the reset. CD will be a better match for you in that department.
Unfortunately YB lacked in that area and their actions spoke a lot for 3 weeks straight by bringing tough fights with their limited W3 population. Hope to see you guys soon, if we stay in this tier.

lol, not even 24hrs left for the reset, and we’re still at chest-thumping for some badge-farming contest. Even SoR didn’t thump so many chests after the level of badge farming they did while camping right outside the 3 doors of our citadel. Only difference is, they actually won the match. Congratulations, now go buy the Invader’s armor, maybe!?

They are doing maintenance. Was about to post it as soon as it showed up on twitter, but I’ve been getting infracted for every post lately. So I infracted myself and didn’t post :P

Yeah, I couldn’t participate in the one-time event since it was 3am at my place at that time, and felt left out. Am glad Anet has sent out the reward to everyone. Sure I didn’t get any precursor, and didn’t expect to. I atleast got something, and am glad about it that everyone got a fair chance. You just have to whine about anything for the sake of whining I guess. Pretty bad that you had to go through multiple deaths, lagfest and stuff at the event, I agree, but atleast you got a chance at a precursor, which none of us who got rewards over mail even expected one or have gotten any so far.

I was thinking of quitting as well. But I’ve spent quite a lot on gems and am stuck halfway to getting my legendary so I can’t leave either.

EMAN.6190:

The patch fix will be out when it’s ready guys!

We want to hear this from Anet. As of this moment, they’ve not acknowledged this issue and when asked over AMA, they just said “its a perceived nerf”, so I really doubt if they’d accept that they messed up things.
They can fix this issue after a month, but communicating it would make things lighter for everyone so we can do something else, than try our luck everyday at getting some loot and waste our time with hopes of ninja fixes.

Biggest issue that’s working exact opposite to what their Nov 15th patch said – Vets & Champs should give loot, and better one’s at that.
I got zero drop from Champion mob from Contender event in CS last night. Not even a porous bone! And there were 3 of us, so it’s more hardwork for lesser number of people to take down a level 80 mob than a zerg. Didn’t get drops when it was a zerg, don’t get it now.
Previously I could find sparks almost all the time near that camp waypoint (which only happens when Dwayna’s temple is uncontested). Which means people always used to do the event. I’ve only hit CS in the last 4 days after a long gap, and everytime that place is filled with corruption (green smoky thing) and no sparks and the temple of Dwayna lies contested all the time. People have just given up doing those events.
So no sparks = no charged lodestones for me, unless I do FoTM or buy them off TP for 2.5g each lodestone.

Garreth MacLeod.4158:

sadly, I won’t be on for the finish of this one or the start of next weeks matchup. I’m having my gallbladder taken out and will not be up to playing for a few days.

Dude, good luck with that, take care of yourself and get well soon!

I logged in earlier and saw this huge force of Yaks at RW camp pushing us to SH. Was a nice back & forth matchup. As long as I was online, I saw we almost pushed you till the entrance of the camp. My lil Asuran mesmer made his way to the top at the entrance where you’ve planted a ballista and with the help of a few others, took it out. While trying to take out the 2nd one which is still being built, this necro in his lich form started spitting minions at me. Ouch man, I was running to escape from those conditions and insta-died with the fall. Not sure what happened after that though! Had to logout as I was getting late for work.
P.S: @Usagi, thanks man! I enjoy working with you as well. I thought I’d stir up some drama as well, since many here seem to actually love it, instead of keeping thread clean

I don’t mind emotes either, my point was, regarding zerging and how TC individual players lack skill unless they are in zerg. I brought up how FA zergs feel almighty after downing a couple of players and instead of moving on, they emote with laugh and stuff. If you beat me 1v1 and laugh, am fine with that. Don’t laugh as if you’ve achieved some milestone in human history by being a part of the zerg that has 100% odds against them vs 2-3 players. THAT was my point. We all zerg. I bow down when people fight bravely, and jump 2-3 times if corpses spy but then just leave and make sure I dont step on them while spying there, as a manner of respect.

Zoula.5139:

TC probably does do a bit more zerging than some other realms. It’s been mentioned before that the mass of puggers in TC is sort of like a militia. Left on their own they tend to mill around the bridges around the Briars and not do much.

As soon as a Commander (or forceful personality in /team) shows up to take charge however they turn into a rampaging beast. Judging from what I see people from other realms saying (I haven’t played on any other ones – so this is just conjecture) it seems that after the first few weeks in WvW the pugs pretty much respect all the Commanders and we tend to not have as much “chat wars” in our own faction.

Also there is that “Morale” advantage that keeps getting mentioned. I think TC tends to retain player interest throughout the week better, so while other servers may start fielding less people TC stays fairly full, adding to the “zerginess”.

That I do agree with. Saying we zerg than any other server is exaggeration.

That’s what I’m asking for…some acknowledgement, some assurance that they are listening to us! I feel like a fool for having supported the game and the company for the last 3 months everytime ppl complained. But with all these things I can’t help but complain now! Pls throw some light on what’s happening! Someone told me today on Guru forums that a lot of people have been getting rare items lately, I don’t see them. I ran through various DE’s in Cursed Shore just 2hrs ago with same MF bling bling, and got just one rare vs 4-5 rares per each Plinx run in the past. I don’t want to turn into a whiner having been on the opposite side till now, but Anet is not leaving me a choice!

SteepledHat.1345:

Being in a zerg doesn’t imply anything about skill. Just like the fact that I run alone says nothing about my abilities.

Yeah, whenever FA zerg rolls over my guardian only coz I refused to bow down to their might and back off, I see atleast 3 dancing/laughing emotes as if anyone of them are skillful. Hell all I see is atleast 5 thieves doing nothing but their elite kittentorm thing till I die and then they /laugh or /dance. Yeah, so much for skill. Who are we kitten here!

Aytrix.4059:

phaneo.4597:

Aytrix.4059:

SteepledHat.1345:

I don’t think we’re that zergy. No more than any other server we’ve fought in the past….. I see a lot of people not running with the zerg now. Ever since I left it, I’ve met a lot of others like me that prefer skirmishes.

TC is by far the zergiest server I’ve ever played against. Skill wise the people in the zerg are less skilled then people on other servers, but my god there is always just so many of them.

Don’t take this personal, just an observation.

So you haven’t played W3 much my friend. Don’t take it personal either, just from my experience. Playing against SoR, a few of us that were on TCBL, decided to ninja-cap NE tower after scouting that it had siege but only one defender. As soon as we got there, in 2 mins 7 of us got rolled over by a zerg of SoR that’s over 50 straight from the garrison and that was after, what 200k lead they had over us? So yeah, we aren’t as zergy as you guys make it/think to be.

Its funny cuz what you just described is “just another day” in this match from my experiences against TC. I’ve played T1 through T6 and you guys take the cake (or pie) by far.

Good for you! But just don’t confuse a group of 5 mesmers with 3 clones each with actual 15 players. j/k.
I’ve never seen a zerg of 50 from our side, atleast on TCBL. I don’t play on EB so I wouldn’t know the situation there. Most of us, especially these days, defend camps/towers/keeps & hell even some sentry points and only get zergy when we need to respond to call for backup. I can say I’ve also rolled over everyone through T1 till whatever the lowest tier is, and add a little more spice to my story, but in the end as I added to my post, W3 is a battle not a display of skills. My post is that we’ve faced the worst kind of zergs where all 3 doors of exit doors from citadel were camped, so don’t tell me how MY server fares compared to actual zergy servers.

Aytrix.4059:

SteepledHat.1345:

I don’t think we’re that zergy. No more than any other server we’ve fought in the past….. I see a lot of people not running with the zerg now. Ever since I left it, I’ve met a lot of others like me that prefer skirmishes.

TC is by far the zergiest server I’ve ever played against. Skill wise the people in the zerg are less skilled then people on other servers, but my god there is always just so many of them.

Don’t take this personal, just an observation.

So you haven’t played W3 much my friend. Don’t take it personal either, just from my experience. Playing against SoR, a few of us that were on TCBL, decided to ninja-cap NE tower after scouting that it had siege but only one defender. As soon as we got there, in 2 mins 7 of us got rolled over by a zerg of SoR that’s over 50 straight from the garrison and that was after, what 200k lead they had over us? So yeah, we aren’t as zergy as you guys make it/think to be.

And also, regarding skills. W3 is where you play for your server, for the pride of it, and to advance it through ranks and have fun at the same time. If you want to prove your skills or assess others, there’s sPVP. Battles are won with good strategies combined with skills. W3 is a mix of both, sPVP is a skill assessment game.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Teleporting-gatherer-bots/910421

So yeah, they’re not sleeping, not on vacation or anything else; but basically ignoring this.

- I always hated MMO’s for being grindy. I have always been single player gaming guy and never played another MMO.
- GW2 gets advertised as non-grindy game. I read a lot about it and user reviews during BWE’s and buy the game.
- I play a couple of BWE’s and feel happy about my decision to buy.
- Game goes live and I start playing. Eventually I start reading about legendaries and find them quite attractive.
- Quite a lot of the players already started running around with a ton of gold and legendaries before the game was even a month old. Good for them, I feel a bit motivated to get one.
- Someone rants how a casual can’t have a legendary and they’ll always suck and should stick to lower end of the game. I get irritated and make getting a legendary my primary goal in the game.
- Nerfs inbound. They fixed Karma weapon exploit while people who exploited got their accounts back and no items actually taken from them. Godskull weapon exploit fixed, and people already benefited with the exploit are let go.
- DR inbound. Bots are still active and since they don’t really live, breath, go to work/school and spend their precious time on gaming it hardly affects them; meanwhile genuine players farming hit DR and get lesser rewards.
- More nerfs inbound along with bugged one-time events and pointless new content, with precursors given away to the lucky few who made it through the end of the whole event while many disconnected/couldn’t join the event due to first 2 phases being laggy and buggy and being unfortunate to be born and live in a different timezone.
- Dyes drop like porous bones, and they suddenly nerf it before any casual player noticed it, while hardcore players farmed them like crazy making ton of gold in the current market.
- Patch that’s supposed to improve loot in open world, infact decreases the rate to a pathetic level and new patches don’t help this issue either.

GW2 was basically promoted as the game that players can play the way they want, with no grind, and primarily a casual player-oriented game.

Play the way you want: You can’t – farm same events/same dungeons, request anything on forums, or raise your voice.
No grind – Exotic gear – grind; legendary weapon – let’s not talk about it even; dungeon gear – grind; ascended gear – grind; monthly achievements – grind
Casual friendly: Avg play time of casual player :- 3-4hrs a day (zero drops in that playtime); Avg play time of hardcore players:- practically whole day except when they don’t eat/sleep/take dumps etc (more gold made in a day than casual player)

So…

Braxxus.2904:

I dunno. Just can’t do it tonight. Maybe it’s just my timeslot being on the west coast and only being able to play at night. So few fellow Bender’s anymore lately at all during this period. TC has zerg crews everywhere, FA is kind of milling around, but there’s only a handful of allies…

I actually got so bored of being so overwhelmingly outnumbered I took a friends advice and finally decided to check out the jumping puzzle everyone is so fascinated with. TC group of about 20 in there camping various ledges, mostly mesmers. WP guild tag whomever that is, never seen em on the fields of battle before, is pretty well bunkered up in there.

I just don’t know any more. Can’t cover the constant repairs at this point, wasted about 30 mins in that JP with the campers and since I don’t PVE I think it’s just about time to call it a night on GW2.

Yeah, bunch of whining I know. Just been very demoralizing lately with the population difference and seing the number of my server mates during this time becoming less and less. Gonna go check out Planetside 2 for a bit I guess.

I get what you’re saying. I play mostly during nights (Asian time), which is like around 7-10 am EST. Trust me when I say it, TCBL is deserted as well. There are, at any given point, like 10-15 on the whole map, half of them doing whatever it is they do – crafting, doing JP’s or farming. Rest of us either escort dolyaks, fend off whatever stragglers that invade us or have duels for fun or just go cap the quaggan nodes. At times it gets discouraging to us even, when there aren’t enough people on your side, nor from the enemy’s sides.
I did EB JP the first time during our match against SoS. My first run was pretty decent with nobody attacking me and a few SoS players and myself were indirectly helping each other in the dark room by showing each other light etc. The next day I tried again, I was almost closer to the chest, when this SoS guy who was fine till then suddenly started attacking me and I tried to take neutral stance by waving etc & eventually his friends joined and killed me. I didn’t do JP after that until TC/CD/YB where YB & TC were basically neutral towards each other out there.
Not trying to tell you that it’s ok or justifying anything, just sharing things from my end.

As of this moment,

Total no. of pages on the thread: 12
First post: 13 days ago
Only noteworthy posts: from forum mods, one of which already was messed up with typos and caused confusion
Total posts from Anet: Zero
Any patches to fix the issue: zero
Purpose of gaming right now: WvWvW or “smell the roses” that you’ve smelt 1000 times before or “farm Fractals”

Felix.3028:

phaneo.4597:

Felix.3028:

So anyway, it’s been like 4 posts now with no one from TC gloating. Does that server no longer exist or something?

From your posts history, I understand you’re from FA and you are also who constantly whines about some secret alliance between TC & YB.
You should however be happy that your current and ex-comrades-in-arms from FA are whining, as it seems is the characteristic of the server. I’m sorry I had to do it despite always asking for not lowering the maturity of the thread, but bringing in such ridiculous statements such as us gloating, while its FA doing more whining since the first time we ever fought.
Go cry in your corner now that you’re one of the losing one’s that constantly whines here on forums only coz someone killed you while you were farming some Iron ore nodes. I’m assuming this since that’s all you seem to be capable of from your tone. Real fighters fight, they don’t gloat or whine.

Ah, there’s the TC post we all know.

Don’t tell me what I said was basically just a lie and full of gloating:

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/71845-tarnished-coast-looking-for-more-overseas-players/#entry2037306

Oh wait, that was like over a month ago!

Oh I have some more for you to add to the “drama” that everyone likes to have in here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/FA-WvWvW/844434

But alas, some like me, understand that its only a few of your server that this applies to, and not everyone whines (in fact majority are quite the opposite), but it’s the routine whiners that make most of the posts, and then the one’s like yours above, where you say, we TC basically gloat.

andrewshen.7530:

My theory is that they wanted to nerf drops a bit, but decided to take the route of nerfing them to the ground temporarily so when they buff it back to somewhat-below-original values, the playerbase will either not notice the net drop, or be satisfied with the increased loot relative to the absolutely terrible rate we’re getting now.

Which is fine, “if they acknowledge it”, so that we may leave the game to rot and move onto better one’s; they’re not doing it and say that its only perceived nerf. I wonder if they even look at the existing stuff at all, instead of developing new content. I’m sure we all can wait for 6 months for new content so that the bugs are given priority and then we all can be happy about all new stuff. When new content takes priority over basic bugs, it’s irritating.

Oh, we all love the drama. Only if the forum rules allow it. And drama in a civilized manner is acceptable if I’m not wrong. But when player A starts the drama, players B to Z join and stretch the drama over the course of 10 pages and it forces the page to get locked. A little drama with some humor included is fine, just don’t bring your personal frustrations in an uncivilized manner and derail the thread. There’s a reason why we look at even the worse kind of drama in other matchup threads and laugh at those. There’s a reason why most of us are enjoying this tier and the battles, the fights have been fun and even and the overall tone here has been good. Too much drama would eventually bore us out and we’d beg to either move up or down in ranks to move onto a different tier. And that’s so many ’drama’s in one post, phew!

Dreamslayer.7659:

I regularly buy gems to supplement my playing (going for the Juggernaut) but I have not noticed any serious reduction in loot other than than dyes and maybe a slight reduction in rares but overall, I’m pretty happy with the way it is.

If I were cynical, I would wonder if there is a connection between gem purchases and in game “luck” except that my luck is no where near proportional to my gem consumption :P

So do I, I am going for Sunrise, and have spent quite a lot of money on gems. Am half way through and was more than excited than ever. Now I don’t feel like farming as much with the time and money spent meaning absolutely nothing against the porous bones I’ve been getting. I DON’T NEED POROUS BONES CRAP! Where’s Anet exactly? Are they just done with the game or busy with Toymaker Tixx, while those of us who actually despise the bugs that come with every major patch cry rivers down here?

I also entered Cursed Shore yesterday with hopes of doing Plinx for atleast farming Karma, and found nobody out there. No Plinx, No Players! Who’d go there anyway when the drop rates are abysmal! I used to get atleast 2 rares per each Plinx run earlier. Now I get a rare per 3-4 days of my overall playtime. Yeah, that’s definitely fun! Also the ‘luck’ factor is ridiculous especially when you invest a lot on MF gear and food and buffs and still get nothing.

Until a month ago I used to preach to all the haters over guru forums that Anet does listen and is community friendly. I stopped doing it since Last Shores happened. First I’m treated like a 3rd class person as I don’t play during PST, and come from Asia. Then they mess up drop rates and don’t even fix it after ages of outrage. Like many haters usually say, maybe it’s true… maybe its just that “they got your money and they don’t care anymore”.

scramble.9751:

3 more months and it will be fully ftp and charge us to unlock zones and character levels with gems from the store

If that happens, I can guarantee you 75% of players quitting the game.

papryk.6273:

so the patch did not fixed the drop rates? and yet nobody @ Anet will write something here…but in other threads they can? Well tbh they just lost me as a customer and a player… I just bought a sub for Rift yesterday. GL guys.

ps. if they fix this, I will maybe return to the game.

I have recently bought Max Payne 3 under sale, and AC3 and haven’t yet played them. I love GW2, and still try to have fun, right now by leveling my alts. But when I go back to Orr for farming, I just logoff with disappointment after spending my limited time after a hectic busy day only to get junk. So yes I bought quite a lot of gems to convert to gold since I want shinies as well. But is it how this game is basically meant to be paid? I can pay for 4 months for a sub-based game with that same amt. I am just baffled how quick they nerf Dye drops or fix dungeons where people skipped certain stuff, but takes ages to even respond to a widely well known basic issue in the game. And when they do, they’ll have this tone that the decreased rate is only perceived. Sure they need to see for themselves, only that they don’t. If its so easy to nerf drops, its as easier to increase them as well. I get equally lesser number of drops in lower level areas on my alts, as I do on level 80 areas. I don’t fight through 100’s of undead that keep shouting “Death…good” to get porous bones!

arianna.4160:

I would like to thank TC and FA for the feeling of MIGHTY I have. I must be something to contend with when its always 20+ on me at once from both servers. Grats on your ability to roll in zergs, it must take alot of effort to organize.

I get rolled over by zergs from both servers as well, mostly its thieves that do nothing other than dagger storm thing. That’s fair enough. I was in a wrong place at a wrong time. It irks me when they /laugh at me as soon as they kill me like they accomplished something. Don’t have to attribute it to entire servers.
On Sunday just a couple of moments after we pushed FA zerg from BB on TCBL, there were 2-3 YB players just standing right beside the tower, chopping trees. There were atleast 7 of us right there, but we decided to just wait and watch. After they were done, they turned around and waved at us and we waved back and just let them go. I also let quite a lot of FA stragglers if they just /wave or are found doing some skill pt or mining. If you’re found ganking some yak or where you’re not supposed to be, don’t expect us to go soft on you. Also if its a zerg, usually they are in a rush to flip camps or answer backup calls etc, and most don’t think twice before killing what’s red (incl. wurms, wolves, etc) and move on.

Joey.2769:

How long do you think this thread will be up before it gets a short condescending response then is immediately closed?

Like “Thanks for the feedback guys! We’ve passed on your feedback to our development team and are looking into it. Hence we’re closing this thread.” ?

Riel.2160:

Phaneo stop going off topic
this is not topic for do we like luck or not but for pure % decrease in drop and devs must see that not some QQ about luck

Next time, I want to buy some gems, I shall ask you to gift them to me. Until then, pls don’t tell me what to do regarding the game I paid for and am still paying for. There was nothing off topic in my last post, which got deleted of course. They made a typo? Fine. Still the drops come down to luck, even the MF gear you use increases your % of luck which is supposed to improve the loot. I use full exotic MF gear incl accessories & jewelery, with MF food, banner buffs, and hell, even some gemshop boosts that ’luck’ily dropped from BL chests.
I know this post of yours was quite long ago, but it irks me that someone can tell me what to do when I paid equal or more amt. than they did for the same game. If Anet has issues or finds any posts off topic, they’ll delete it. Pls don’t do their job for them.

It is against forum policy to demand anything, anything that doesn’t involve you buying gems.

Again, may I request to kindly take these post-divorce issues over PM in-game, before the blame game starts and things get ugly down here, thus the thread getting locked? We’ve kept most of the discussions at a higher level of maturity, and let’s maintain it as long as we fight each other.

wildcode.5403:

Kind of frustrating when one of the GW2 team says there needs to be better communication, yet on this issue, there is no communication. Meanwhile there is communication in other threads, heck the jumping issue got a response and was hotfixed only hours after it was 1st reported.

When can we see a response on this issue, seriously, if it was in our favour it would of been fixed by now.

Do more jumping in jumping puzzles, so you can either fall to your deaths multiple times or jump across successfully only to be facing the frustrating vet mob at the end, who either gives you a porous bone or nothing. But it’s alright, we got a chest at the end which will give you 1 green, 2 blues and 30copper and some minor sigil which nobody cares about. So yes, jumping is important to have fun in this game.

Oh, I forgot to mention the achievement points you get; 5pts per puzzle, I guess? If Anet lets us monetize these pts in some way in-game, I don’t mind dying multiple times doing these puzzles.

Did the Balthazar event this morning. Just a few junk trophies or nothing from trash mobs & vets alike. No drop from Champion abomination at the end, nor from Risen Priest. Chest gave 2 blues and a green and a couple of crystals/shards which are regular drops from Sparks.
My last post, which was my first post of whining in GW2 history got deleted and I was temporarily suspended. I understand, we all need healthy discussions, and I often request the same from the community. However, my post was to make them notice how easily even loyal customers/fanboys can get frustrated at lack of fixes or atleast a response from their team on the issue which is now 10 pages long. Give us an assurance of a fix in some X days, and we shall quit farming until then, and do something else like leveling alts or whatever. Farming same events with hopes of some ninja fixes only to get junk or nothing, and even no official response on forums is totally discouraging to players who paid for the game and still pay to support.
I’ve decided GW2 will be the last and only game I’d play despite having 200+ games on my Steam library, but now I’m having second thoughts. Biggest frustration I and several others over here have is – increased dye drops received immediate nerf, whereas “nerfed till the depths of hell” loot drops … not even an official response.
Please atleast let us know if you just want to burn your game to ground and you want us to play something else, we all can happily do that. Just say something Anet!

Only yesterday we were talking about how mature our threads have been compared to other concurrent matchup threads. And yet, now we’re dragging either 2v1 theories or JP camping complaints, whining about whining and matters that could be settled in-game over PM’s. Let’s all try to have fun in-game and improve overall maturity of our discussion threads and prevent them from getting locked.

zythhawk.5782:

Excuses for why FA is being constantly tag teamed (whether intentional or not)

Week 1: Well, FA, you took the lead on the weekend so naturally TC and YB are going to go after you at the same time.

Week 2: Well, FA, you’re in second place, so you are the bigger threat than YB so TC will attack you constantly and YB does it because they want to be in 2nd.

Week 3: Well, FA, you have a weak defense and are last in score, so naturally we’ll both be opportunistic and go after you at the same time…we like the challenge. ;-) (sorry, just had to with that last bit)

You know “losing” is fine, but it’s the smugness of the top team(s) that rubs the wrong way. Hasn’t anyone looked at all the match ups and the top team is almost always posturing, “We’re just better players than you and you are horrible. You can learn from US”

You occasionally see the few outwardly honest ones the verbally acknowledge that this is ultimately a numbers game, and they who have the most numbers typically wins. When you add in skewed tag teaming (where one team is the main target more than any other), obviously the coverage and defense of the one in the middle is going to be awful, especially after 2 1/2 weeks of it, where players are burning out and not logging, leaving an even bigger numbers gap.

I don’t enjoy the smug assertions that TC is just superior in every way, and that’s why the whole pointing out that FA is being double teamed started…NOT because people thought it was a conspiracy. FA was basically pointing out that its difficult to defend on two fronts, but someone started the whole “conspiracy” scoffing and it rolled down hill from there. (Since then, there have been a few instances on TC’s part that it was obviously intentionally done, probably just to rile up more drama on here but really displayed poor taste on their part).

The posts I DO enjoy are the more honest ones, and the ones that people are doffing their hats to their opponents in their 1vs1 duels, win or lose. In fact, when I started playing WvW about a month ago, when I saw posts like that, it impressed me very much and made me think what a mature crowd this was.

I’m quickly being disillusioned.

To those few TC that have come on here and been gracious and honest, my hat is off to you. You are great sportsmen.

To YB, I have to say, I was proud of you guys, seeing you getting out of your comfort zone and actually making a serious push into TC this morning. It was quite refreshing to see. Way to go!

Week 1: Well, FA, you took the lead on the weekend so naturally TC and YB are going to go after you at the same time – who doesn’t want to fight for the lead?

Week 2: Well, FA, you’re in second place, so you are the bigger threat than YB so TC will attack you constantly and YB does it because they want to be in 2nd – One server doesn’t want to be pushed down, and the other server wants to push you down to take your position. Don’t blame either servers for this.

Week 3: Well, FA, you have a weak defense and are last in score, so naturally we’ll both be opportunistic and go after you at the same time…we like the challenge. ;-) (sorry, just had to with that last bit) – there, the last “bit” was totally against what most of, atleast TC people, have said.

We like challenge, yes. Its more like, we expect challenge. YB gives us a challenge on their BL, FA for the most part doesn’t. Many on the FA have agreed to this, with various valid reasons, such as lack of numbers etc.
We faced similar issues in the past, and still do to some extent. Yesterday at AH in FABL, we were called from various maps to defend, and for the first time I stepped in a different map than TCBL. Even after the reinforcements arrived, we still had Outmanned buff and eventually lost the keep to your zerg. At the same time, most of the camps on TCBL started turning red. It says something.
We had coverage issues real bad in the past, like a month ago. We had a few guilds transfer over which was a result of a hard work from our commanders with recruiting, but still we feel the lack of numbers at particular times. And above example shows at some timeslots even we’re weaker.

You use tag teaming and “intentional or not” in the same line which is contradictory. There won’t be unintentional tag teams, only simultaneous assaults from different enemies at the same time.
Even we’ve faced situations where Yaks takes advantage of the situation, comes from behind and steals things from us. Its just taking advantage of situations.
Do I deny there’s smug talk from a few? No. It’ll be there while there’s either chest-thumping or whine-fest on the other side. Get rid of these, and you can see smugness vanish.

To avoid huge paragraphs, I’ll just keep it short:
WvWvW is a war, where you have fun since you have the option to resurrect once dead and rejoin the battle. Rest all, is as real as a battle can get.

Feydra.6318:

Im not the most active poster, but i peek in here to read up alittle, first of thank you FA and YB for some fun weeks…

Now to things from my perspective, i think we are as servers are in base really matched in tactics, all of us know the tricks in attack and defense, and i dont see that any server is really better then the other tactics wise… i am TC and what i have noticed is that we have really good morale, there is very little ranting or shouting at each other, ewen back when we got badly owerrun by SoR i think it was, we kept triying to fight them, and was merrrily crushed time and time again, sure some lost the will to fight, but there was very little bad talks among us, atleast what i could notice

I feel, we have a unspoken crew that will defend and capture our border land, our third in eternal, when we have this, comanders usually organice more organiced efforts into other borderlands, but if our core base of points gets invaded, we will swarm to defend it… its alittle what happened to day a few hours back, amacing fighting in TCBL, we lost BB and then Bay, and lastly RL, but by this time we had gained a parity in numbers, and could start hitting back more serious, its as one of our comanders said “we will keep dieing at BB till we take it” or something like that

So what am i trying to say, i think all three servers are even in tactics, we TC have generally more people, but not so we can dominate all four zones, think we become fairly good at managing out people we have, with a balance of attack and defence… ten people can defend against 40 in a tower along time, winning time, calling in people from other zones… im not saying FA and YB dont dont do this either, but its easier for us to do this, as we mostly have more people, but ewen we tend to get low on numbers on some hours… Thanks and keep up the fun !

PS Jadon if you read this, i wana know if you talked about the super secret idea ;P

Miriel !

I think we are rather fast enough to gather numbers from other BL’s when necessary. Like yesterday morning, when things were getting boring, suddenly there was [GODS] zerg on TCBL, hitting BB. We were very few on the map at that time, and tried to defend it as long as possible, but the gate kept going down pretty fast. Eventually our commander who has just logged on, has left to call in reinforcements and I’ve sent a PM to another friend of mine who was on a diff. map to try to spare a few numbers and when the gate was at 30%, we had enough numbers who just rushed in and swept the area. That was actually good to call such numbers, because as soon as [GODS] left, they returned to BV with even bigger numbers, capped it and heavily sieged it. Eventually we took it back with a portal bomb and then they left our map. Although our numbers are spread throughout multiple maps, I guess we respond fast enough when there’s a request for reinforcements.