Guild Wars 2

JMar.3254:

Nobody complaining here is worried they won’t be able to do it.

We are upset that our hard work, time, energy, and effort is be devalued by removing it.

Why are people so upset with us at wanting our work to be valued?

because it seems like you would rather them not make good changes.
you have said you want them to put new changes to the interestingness of fractals beyond the level 50 difficulty curve. Thats not correcting bad design.

you want them to autoscale you up to your old level in old content for the new content fix, not as bad, but kind of illogical.

even though people hate analogies, using previous MF changes, heres the analogous changes you propose.

require everyone to get and turn in a full set of MF gear before they access new magic find system

place me at equivalent mf from the start in new magic find system.
aka, instead of starting me at 0, start me at 150, although getting 150 is totally different in the new system.

your reasoning is mostly that you are losing prestige, you will have to hang out with undesirables, and your rewards wont be as good till you beat 10 fractals and get from 31-41.

prestige, doesnt really matter to me, hence why i dont care about leaderboards, and dont care if you get a title
hang out with undesirables is foolish, you can make parties among your high prestige friends if you wish.
your rewards are reduced for 10 fractals, slightly annoying but honestly doesnt seem like it should matter, considering fractals 30+ still have the same rewards you have been getting at 50 for months.

The only new reward is at 40+ and none of you have really earned the right to compete for it, since there are now special conditions that will probably alter builds and tactics for levels 31-50, not to say you cant get there, but you havent yet

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”

Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”

Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.

I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!

Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh

no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing
why should you have an advantage IF the new content is actually different.

If they actually had a wealth of new content at level 1 i wouldnt really care that much. And if thats what will actually make you guys not feel like you have no reason to complain, sure reset everyone to 1.

also sounds like you guys are partially mad that you will have to play with people who didnt get to 50, why dont you just make some groups and fly through if you dont want to play with pugs?

I didn’t get to 50. I’m an elitist sympathizer. I’m only at 42 which actually makes me a scrub. And I’m not mad. I’m furious. It’s hard enough finding good fractal pugs for my 48s. Also, reason I can’t play with those sexy lovely level 80s is really because I’m a scrub. And that isn’t me joking, I’m totally kittening serious!

I’m not saying that these lovely good players (god they’re rare!) should have an advantage (truth be told they already do, because they’re amazing at everything) I think anet should have a plan to compensate the folks who got crap rewards for 30+ levels (loot didn’t scale, though mob difficulty did!) thinking that that was the challenge that anet gave them to achieve. Something. Anything.

Also, I’m here today in this forum to lighten the mood with my funny words and pretty smile. While still loving all the elitists who have out up with my silly questions ^.^ ;P

Awwwww yeeeeahhh

As i said, im not against recognition, up to 50
to be honest 81 is questionable, since its kind of impossible for may players to actually acheive after a certain date(without invite), and required a get out jail free cash shop item to achieve.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Nope, making up.

The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.

We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.

Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.

i would applaud changes to legendaries to make them less tedious, in fact although i have two now, i applaud a precursor hunt quest, and genuinely hope they make real interesting quests, content and lore associated with each legendary.

If the lowered the amount of mats required id be quite happy. I also wouldnt mind some new legendaries, particularly of the very niche legendaries like shortbow, and pistol, which have a comical focus.

So why did they refund gems to people that bought multiple soul bound gathering tools? They knew what they were buying when they bought it.

Also, just because you would b eokay with the changes, doesn’t mean other people wouldn’t. To make it applicable, they would have to remove your legendary, call it a race to get a new one, and say that now everybody is on equal grounds with the new content.

Tangible possession vs intangible possession doesn’t change a thing.

you keep talking about removing a legendary, thats not analogous, because they arent removing your items.

They cant possibly design around intangible possesions because its completely subjective.

They cant kill queen jennah because one person feels accomplishment in having access to a personal instance with her? Cant redesign WvW maps because people have memories of all the fights they had at the windmill? Cant redesign Orr because people fought their way through zombies to get to arah waypoint?

You are crippling the games growth if you believe they cant change anything that represents something players feel an intangible possession over.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”

Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”

Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.

I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!

Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh

no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing
why should you have an advantage IF the new content is actually different.

If they actually had a wealth of new content at level 1 i wouldnt really care that much. And if thats what will actually make you guys not feel like you have no reason to complain, sure reset everyone to 1.

also sounds like you guys are partially mad that you will have to play with people who didnt get to 50, why dont you just make some groups and fly through if you dont want to play with pugs?

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Nope, making up.

The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.

We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.

Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.

i would applaud changes to legendaries to make them less tedious, in fact although i have two now, i applaud a precursor hunt quest, and genuinely hope they make real interesting quests, content and lore associated with each legendary.

If the lowered the amount of mats required id be quite happy. I also wouldnt mind some new legendaries, particularly of the very niche legendaries like shortbow, and pistol, which have a comical focus.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

the difficulty change he also describes as slight. remains to be seen if slight is accurate

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

i agree if its solely for leaderboards, its a waste of time, no one cares. If they say thats the ONLY reason, i will take back my words, and fully support you getting access to level 50. not that i would be against you getting it now, just pointing out that you havent earned it.

also if instabilities turns out not actually change much at all, i would also agree

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.

It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.

And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.

Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.

If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.

Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?

Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

the cap of 81 was made unobtainable for some time, it would be pretty illogical to start new content in a place they wont let anyone get to, without an invite from you or people like you.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.

It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.

And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.

Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.

If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.

Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?

Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

you want fractals to die then. 30-50 was flawed, it was too repetive and didnt offer new challenges, just the mastery of old challenges. putting new content behind the 50 cap ensures no one would ever see it. If no one ever sees it, no one does it, if no one does it, they are not going to continue to develop it. If they can improve the playership of fractals it will get more resources.

All of you guys continue to imply that leveling to 50 was tedious, and was mainly for the eliteness of it, and the drops, they are trying to make it so its actually more interesting to climb. this is an improvement.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

Your analogy is okay, but not correct, so I’ll correct it.

It’s like Anet promises that there’s going to be a huge map that will have all these POIs, WPs, Vistas, etc. Almost impossible to get. You get a bigger and bigger reward everytime you find one, and they are REALLY tough to get. It takes hours just to uncover one. So you get relaly far, up to the cap till they say “we will release more soon”

The day comes for to be released, then all of a sudeen, they remove 75% of the map you did and you have to start over again.

But you know, you did it for fun, so it’s fine they delete your progression. Now you’re bakc on the same level as people that put in WAY less work than you. And they get on the forums to tell you you’re being entitled and selfish, because you’re the minority that choose to got that far for fun.

Yea its a good analogy, its very similar, but yeah, you found all those waypoints, you got the better and better rewards. It got kind of stale, after ahwile all you did was log in to the last waypoint and kill the same guy for the same chance at the same reward you already got. also turns out that most of the waypoints were carbon copies of old waypoints, with no real changes in mob behavior or anything for like 40 waypoints in a row.

you beat it.

They release a new version where the map has been attacked by jormag and the molten dragon, they add new events, and make it so that the map changes every time you play it. The waypoints are in new places.

Should you get warped to these waypoints automatically? did you explore this new version of the map?

it sucks you lost your map, but most of you guys are asking for the waypoints in the new map. Why not ask for them to give you access to your old map somewhere?

and i never said they shouldnt give you guys something for your memories/participation, but thats not to say they should really not do the new zone, or make it only accessible after doing the old flawed zone that sucked.

Titles fine, keep old somewhere else, fine, give you free waypoint in new map, fine although you didnt earn them.

But should they never have fixed the map? Should they put the new cool map behind a tedious grind, that you apparently wouldnt want to do again? no

Are they really in actuality doing the best and most fun thing for the map? yea, they actually are.
lets say you didnt really care about the number you had reached, and truely enjoyed fractals.

Your getting new fractal zones, new bosses, bug fixes, and a new mechanic that is supposed to make every level more exciting and different instead of the same. Your keeping every single drop you got from before.

you are losing your ability to warp to fight the same content you did 100 times before.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

no, that is not the same. You lost your ability to warp yourself to a content which no longer exists.

you lost a teleport/waypoint, which makes sense because that area doesnt exist. The direct analogy to what you are talking about would be if they deleted your fractal weapons, and removed your karma. They did not do that.

If they take away balthazar giving obsidian shards, i would not demand they warp me to the end of the new event that unlocks an npc that gives obsidian shards whenever i beat balthazaar.

you got your use out of it, if you want a title for old level 50 thats fine, but dont act like they erased your karma, gold and fractal weapons gained through play, they did not do that

So then you’d be okay if they removed all legendary designs and replaced it with new designs.

Since that content no longer exists, they’ll take away everything except for your mystic clovers. You get to keep those, because now it’s a race to see who can get the 1st new looking legendary, so everybody has to be on ‘somewhat’ equal grounds.

It’s fine because you had fun making your legenday, so you have no room to complain or want compensation. And that content no longer exists, so stop whining.

they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.

It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.

And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.

Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.

If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.

Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?

Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

khani.4786:

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.

Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.

Logic is hard.

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

If this if what you think I really think they should have deleted all legendaries that were redesigned I mean comon you had an old model of legendaries… no one will ever see the old legendaries again.. so they should be deleted and you didn’t make the new legendaries under the new conditions for example marketprices new dungeons that were Changed for tokkens… sooo they really should have deleted all those Legendaries that were made under the OLD conditions!

no, that is not the same. You lost your ability to warp yourself to a content which no longer exists.

you lost a teleport/waypoint, which makes sense because that area doesnt exist. The direct analogy to what you are talking about would be if they deleted your fractal weapons, and removed your karma. They did not do that.

If they take away balthazar giving obsidian shards, i would not demand they warp me to the end of the new event that unlocks an npc that gives obsidian shards whenever i beat balthazaar.

you got your use out of it, if you want a title for old level 50 thats fine, but dont act like they erased your karma, gold and fractal weapons gained through play, they did not do that

cesmode.4257:

lordkrall.7241:

Did anyone actually think that they would somehow magically be able to create something that is impossible?
It is completely impossible to create something that is infinite, since sooner or later the scaling would simply make every single attack 1-hit kill the player.

Then why tell us its infinite? Just to hype it up? More PR? “Oh wow did you hear? GW2 has a dungeon thats infinitely scaling in difficulty. First of its kind in an MMO!!” No..sorry, thats only till lvl ’bra!

Why bother? Why not just say “The dungeon scales in difficulty up to level 80”.
I can’t even count on my hands the amount of times arenanet has walked this fine grey line between what they mean and what they say. Since launch.

actually they said it would go on infinitely, but right now you would be limited by AR, as new AR was released youd be able to go farther. Thats probably why they tried so hard to make sure you took AR dmg instead of just closing the difficulty. Because it actually solves the issue of AR checks being circumvented, and is truer to their old goal of having AR be the main limiter of progress.

They did abandon that idea now though. Their pace of development on fractals didnt meet their pace of ascended introduction, and the whole system wasnt working too well

JMar.3254:

khani.4786:

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.

Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.

Logic is hard.

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

You’re not losing any “legit level progress”. You’re still level 80. Your progress is Fractals is being locked because that old content will no longer be available, but you’ll be able to start the new Fractal challenges at fractal level 30.

look I think I now got what you try to say… it’s true we didn’t the old stuff ( still I personally think the new won’t be that hard if you know the old pretty well since it’s all the same fractals just 1 new mechanic) anyway…. The Point is I get kittenstormed from so many ppl that I’m an exploiter ect atm that I don’t really defer who’s speaking to me and don’t read to closly so to sum it up you want:
that all starts where Content is new no matter if it is lvl 1 or 50 or 30 in our case.
what I want is:
that a Company can’t delete legit Progress if they intend to do they should speak to their community or at least have a legit form of Retro reward that is at least as exclusive as having those Levels.

so we completly speaking about diffrent Topics there would be no Problem if they just have done seperate fractals volume2 but the diffrence between the existing ones I have experienced and the new ones seem to be not tooo big. So personally I guess I have enough experience after few runs with new mechanics to easy complete old fractals on scale 81 or 80 depending if they release the hardcap again(at least if my 5 ar is still enough). It’s only 1 new out of many mechanics you Need to look at the whole old dungeon is the same where you basicaly know every mob. I personally and others do as well don’t think the Content will be hard in a sence of skill maybe to aquire all gear.. but as I have showed in the past I did all they’re so called hard Content without having issues. Means I never ever had to think about bufffood ( besides the mf buffood I use now and than). -> Shows all Content out of last year wasn’t hard for me just another Promis to do things hard ( btw 80 was completed by some vets latly with no gear on.. showing how easy it is … new fractals won’t be hard:)) so yeah there is my Point why I could Keep my Progress without harming guys since I guess I could do it still on that lvl and wanna do it without beeing forced to farm up to Show it

its not going to be harder, its going to be different. you havent shown or proven anything in the new content. Im not saying you cant beat it, im saying you have not beat it.
If they make a queens jubilee arena next year with 3 new enemies, random conditions in each match, fixed mob ai, and a revised liadri, should they let you skip to the end because you beat a different arena last time?

imo no, because its different.

do i care that much if you skip? not really, but imo you wouldnt really have beat the new arena, just the new boss.

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
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And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

i honestly dont care if you kept your progress up till 50, even though to be honest, you havent really earned the new 50. I just dont really care if you did or you didnt.

The truth is, your old game mode died, 31+ fractals that you used to play no longer exist. They wont have the same amounts of monsters, they wont hit as hard or have as much defense, the boss will be harder some of the time, and they will have new conditions to challenge you. The records you have no longer apply.

Now if you, to deal with this loss get some personal advantage and get to skip to the end of the new game, i dont really care. If it makes you feel better for your loss, fine. But dont act like you earned these levels, you wouldnt really be keeping your level, you would be getting access to a new level, a shortcut.

Personally, i would only want achievements i earned, not the ability to skip ahead, but since you did lose your game mode, whatevers clever. For me its more about actually achieving or doing something than the mechanical number next to my name, or skipping ahead to the things i didnt earn, but some people like to go straight to the end of the game.

That should have also applied to MF-rework then. System got changed. No one had earned anything.

Put still, people got compensated. But I guess you deleted all your MF-gear.

yes i had a full magic find charachter, with all exotics, they deleted her magic find. They didnt compensate for magic find, they just didnt destroy the gear.

The equivalent of what you want, is for them to start you at 150 account magic find because you previously had 150 magic find. they didnt do that, so i dont know why you guys are bringing up magic find.

And to be honest, although i lost all that magic find, and honestly probably wouldnt even have gotten that charachter any exotics at all if i had known (i got like 3 naked level 80 charachters who i havent bothered to gear up) Im not really mad at them, because the account magic find system is a much better solution to the whole entire magic find system. It has even improved the desirability of items that were useless before. It was more than worth it. So i wasted some money on exotics for a charachter i no longer play, who cares. The game is a lot better for it.

look man, if they give you access to level 50 for free, i really dont care, but dont mistake the truth, you have not earned the new level 50. They would just be giving you a shortcut because they feel bad they killed your game mode.

And lets be honest the people saying they deleted your hard work, are not being accurate, whatever work you did, gave you drops, massive karma gains, fractal skins etc. They are not deleting your hard work, they are deleting the place you went to do that work. Your complaint thus should be that you dont want new fractals, with new mechanics, new rewards. You want to be able to grind in your place of choice. it may be a valid argument, but its not the same argument.

I honestly wouldnt support them not adding the new fractals for your benefit, because its better for the game, if they want to keep your old fractals in a corner somewhere with no new development, i wouldnt mind, but if its a choice, im sorry but i prefer the better system than the broken older system. Even if they start me at 1

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

putting them at 50 would be compounding the bad game design of 20-50, and would be putting the boring mechanical/ridiculous difficulty ahead of the more interesting unpredictable/or conditional difficulty.

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
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And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

i honestly dont care if you kept your progress up till 50, even though to be honest, you havent really earned the new 50. I just dont really care if you did or you didnt.

The truth is, your old game mode died, 31+ fractals that you used to play no longer exist. They wont have the same amounts of monsters, they wont hit as hard or have as much defense, the boss will be harder some of the time, and they will have new conditions to challenge you. The records you have no longer apply.

Now if you, to deal with this loss get some personal advantage and get to skip to the end of the new game, i dont really care. If it makes you feel better for your loss, fine. But dont act like you earned these levels, you wouldnt really be keeping your level, you would be getting access to a new level, a shortcut.

Personally, i would only want achievements i earned, not the ability to skip ahead, but since you did lose your game mode, whatevers clever. For me its more about actually achieving or doing something than the mechanical number next to my name, or skipping ahead to the things i didnt earn, but some people like to go straight to the end of the game.

Pino.5209:

Explaining the process of how they are going to wipe the bloody progressions, after players spending hours on it, is not going to make it all right to wipe it. No matter how.

Branding players exploiting while aanet basically abandon fractal for a year, is just go kitten awful to treat your players. We were forced to be creative on how to play the kitten fractal for challenges, while you sit and watch doing nothing.

Best solution is to leave the current fractal as it is and open new one with different scale. So be it the old fractals is done.
Wrap up the current fractals, hand out whatever rewards for those reach top level, special skins, cool title or whatever. And wrap it up, leave it as it is. And for once, come out in public, aanet, and admit “we FAIL on this fractal” … let’s start a new one and promise not to abandon the new 1 for freaking whole year.

most MMOs do not change or expand content much for a year, i think you are used to anet doing something every 2 weeks now. In fact many games dont change or expand until an expansion.

I do agree that they could have made the next fractals a different set, and kept access to the old, however that would probably further delay the changes to fractals, personally i would rather be reset to 1 then wait another 6 months for changes, but thats just my opinion.

To be honest i think people are more upset about the idea than the reality.

Heres the real deal. Fractals were not designed perfectly, It was imo, one of the better game designs they did, the ideas were good, the content is very scalable and expandable, most of the fractals were fun.

But, it didnt really feel like you were going to see much new, or meet new challenges as you started to level. After you hit 20+ it mostly felt like it was going to get less forgiving and longer time wise. Which did offer a certain level of challenge, but it was a bit shallow.

The difference from one level to another was generally small, and the odd fractals felt useless reward wise.

In order to fix it, they needed to make the content change or expand as you get higher. People complain about difficulty that is simply more dmg/health, so they wanted to add something a little more interesting.

Placing this at 50 would have been bad, it would require even more grinding than before, because now, odd fractals will have bosses, not only that but its highly likely the boss fractal will be way harder than the very easy, and even relaxing jade maw. Where as before getting from 31-50 required beating 70 fractals, 10 of which were super easy, now it would require 80 fractals, 20 of which could end up being a lot harder. And, its still basically no qualitative changes from 20-50.

It would still be bad design, so the new stuff has to come in smaller increments.

Point of post is, regardless of if they should they give you access above 30, fractals is changing for the better, some new interesting challenges past 30, new fractals, so more variety in general, better balancing of which fractals you get. more boss possibilities. In the future they should have new mechanics in each level range, more fractals, maybe even some rare fractals which give better rewards (like a skritt treasure hunting fractal) More unpredictability. But now such things can be better structured.

So yeah, putting new challenges at 51+ or 81+ would essentially not solve the monotony of 20+-50+ fractals

CeruleanRevolver.6085:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Every time you finish a complete set of Fractals (3 Standard Fractals + 1 Boss) you will receive the daily reward, restricted by account, which is consistent with other dungeon rewards. Each 10 levels of Fractals has it’s own daily reward. So if you played level 1, 11, 21, and 31, you would receive four daily rewards.

Does this mean I cannot use another character to gain a level 21-30 chest if I had done so for a previous character? What will happen to those who purposely levelled an alt so they can chance at 2 daily chest of the same fractal level?

cant get a second chance anymore

LordByron.8369:

phys.7689:

its closer to them removing a path in a dungeon, and none of your previous work on that path is useful.
However i concede maybe the new mechanic isnt different enough to warrant that. but lets say
30 is you have to do it with poison the whole time
31 is you deal half dmg
32 is no one can be downed
33 is enemies can explode when killed

in this case, you starting at 50 would not show you have mastered the previous challenges,

In that case i could just join a friend of 40 and skip all those…. … sounds familiar to me…

interesting point

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

What is boils down to is simple. No one has earned any Fractal levels under the new challenges and difficulties beyond level 30, where the new changes take place. Allowing someone to remain at 50+ (or anything above 30 tbh) means they’re getting to those advanced levels without putting in any of the actual work required to get there under the new system. Now The past is gone. It went by like dusk to dawn. Isn’t that the way? Everybody’s got their dues in life to pay. Yeah, I know nobody knows where it comes and where it goes, I know it’s everybody’s sin you got to lose to know how to win.

I… seem to have had a flashback there.

So the solution is to undo hardwork by a minority of the player base that chose to get past 30 to please the majority of casuals?

I really don’t understand why people continue to think this is fair. Anet is intentionally resetting progress due to their own design, not a bug or exploit (I’m only talking about 30-50 here, because I don’t want to argue about 50+)

What is the difference between this, and Anet saying that they are adding PvP deathmatch, however you can only do it at 10 PvP rank and above, so everybody is being reset to 10 pvp rank to start over?

What if when they add the new WvW map, they say you have to be wvw level 10 to enjoy it, therefore all levels are reset to 10 and you star tover again?

What if they add a new dungeon at lvl 65, but in order for everybody to enjoy it, the entire player base levels’ are reset to 65 and you have to grind back up to 80.

Hint: There is no difference.

its closer to them removing a path in a dungeon, and none of your previous work on that path is useful.
However i concede maybe the new mechanic isnt different enough to warrant that. but lets say
30 is you have to do it with poison the whole time
31 is you deal half dmg
32 is no one can be downed
33 is enemies can explode when killed

in this case, you starting at 50 would not show you have mastered the previous challenges, even if 50 was mechanically harder, you never dealt with these challenges. Is it really a good idea for you to be able to skip to the end based on a mode that was inherently different?

the real key is, how different are these challenges going to actually make the experience.
if they are negligible, then they kind of are forcing you to grind the same levels just for a leaderboard.

the other issue is that the type of difficulty you enjoyed may not be available anywhere, perhaps they should look into returning it.

Floryn.6307:

They could have made the new post lvl 30 changes a post lvl 50 challenge, that way the majority of players would still keep their lvl. Or at least give us a choice between keeping our current level and not be on leaderboards or accept the reset and be eligible for leaderboards.

For those still confused by the New Agony slot on rings and backpacks
(here is a quick graphic representation of how I understood the changes):

dont see the problem in the pic,

you payed 250 ecto for an extra slot, those who dont have this new slot cant put agony resistance in their gear other than versatile, might precise, etc.
essentially people who infused have extremely high AR potential, people who do not are limited to 5 per ascended peice
(And early ascended armor suggests it may not have infusion slots at all).

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

Eh… wait… what? I’m pretty sure in Fractals you can choose lower levels if you wish, or did that change?

I don’t know, you tell me. You seem like a knowledgeable person.

phys.7689:

but at a certain point its all academic because being 1 shot is being one shot, being tw shot is being two shot. I think they want the difficulty to not just be linear. they want it to feel different 31+ which imo is a better mechanic. its likely they have different plans for 50+ than 31+ if they get enough people who master 50

Which still is going to be the case of scales 1-50.

actually its not going to be the case, if i understand what you mean
1-9 have no agony, and the monsters dont do their most annoying things
10-30 game play is pretty different and in general different
31-50 has the same enemy behaviors, but more enemies, and more damage.

they are altering the difficulty type to be less about being one shot and more about dealing with instability. so this is going to make 31-50 a different type of play than before. I dont think they will add anything 50+ until a decent amount of players reach that teir, they wont want to lock new content that far back, unless many players are already there.
they will probably add new fractals and what not, just not 50+

sorry for you guys who liked the 1/2 shot perfect run tests, i think they should create a progression based on that for those who like it, but im not a dev

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

I have no idea what you’re babbling on about now. If the intended challenge was originally meant to top out at a level 50 wall, then you’d have increasing challenges to that point then no designed increases beyond that. Old 81 was the same difficulty as 48 because they never intended there to be an 81 and hadn’t coded increasing difficulties for that.

Which effectively shows you cannot discuss changes about which you have no knowledge.

Scaling of mobs was implemented properly because scaling was linear for all levels. Last time I checked, linear functions are very easy to implement and do not any additional improvements.

but at a certain point its all academic because being 1 shot is being one shot, being tw shot is being two shot. I think they want the difficulty to not just be linear. they want it to feel different 31+ which imo is a better mechanic. its likely they have different plans for 50+ than 31+ if they get enough people who master 50

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

If the intended challenge was originally meant to top out at a level 50 wall, then you’d have increasing challenges to that point then no designed increases beyond that. Old 81 was the same difficulty as 48 because they never intended there to be an 81 and hadn’t coded increasing difficulties for that.

Then how come we are being reset to 30 instead of 50?

They could have easily made the new content start at 50 so we keep our levels. Also, I’d say 95% of people don’t care about leaderboards.

mostly because level 30-50 was essentially a grind and was too similar to 20-30, If they made the new exciting content be after 50, few people would see it. They are making fractals more varied as you climb, so more people will want to climb, the more people that hit cap, the sooner they extend the cap.

i agree most people dont care about leaderboards, most probably dont care if you have access to 50, but i dont think it would be a great idea to have new content behind the current climb to 50, its too repetitive

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Daendur.2357:

undesrtandable but: what do you get from being already at 50 ?
you did hundreds of fractals 20 more are a big deal ?

seems you hav eno clue it seems those are 80 more first off second of if we don’t get anything from beeing there why you take it away.. I loose 51 Levels so yeah a big deal loads of time invested those are about 204 fractal if they have a Bonus 1 now on every scale this is about 150 hours gameplay where I could have farmed back than instead so basicaly 1500 Gold ( I knew TA farm 10 g / hour ) when legendaries were cheap… so I could have farmed instead and made 2-3 legendaries…. that’s what I’m loosing… what do they loose if they leave me at 81… well maybe having a legit fotm Player at top of the leaderboard:/

ahh and you loose about 10k Karma for each run you complete

the karma may be completely gone for all levels. they didnt mention it in the rewards

LordByron.8369:

From what i heard:

Infused backpack:
Old slot
New slot: +5 ar infusion

Non infused backpacks:
Old slot
New slot: empty

And i bet 1 silver (since i m poor…) it is so…..

no he said only infused items will have the new slot

“Only Infused Ascended Back Items and Rings are getting new slots.” -Monsiuer Ordon

so yeah, its actually more valueable

Sargon.9048:

It does appear that those of us who paid the 250 ectoplasm to infuse these items are getting cheated. Yes we get an auomatic +5 infusion but that is normally 75 fractal relics which is not exactly a big deal.

If i am interpreting what the dev said in this thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Agony-changes accurately then I would take that to mean all backpieces start with the slots.. Which would mean I paid 250 ectoplasm for a +5 infusion.. which is way overpriced.

If I am interpreting that wrong I would love for a dev to correct me.. If you still must infuse an item with 250 ectoplasm to get the slot to appear then all is well, but if you don’t then I should probably get that cost back in some way.

no, items that are infused have special slot, that the only place you can use the new agony resist infusions. So infused is more valuable for afractal runner, and its only available on the primarily fractal earned items

LordByron.8369:

What is a fractal player losing:

-250 ecto per backpiece (in my case 750 and no; a 5 agony resist is not compensating the loss since its easy to get)
-Personal level on each character
-Rare skins will become easily obtainable (took me 10 months to get all the one i needed)
-Old fractal weapons will remain weapons, while new will be skins (50 weapon skins down the drain)…..

this patch will wipe my account of 10 months of play…..

you are misunderstanding the item change
only (infused) items will get the extra slot.
this means your infused backpiece is actually more valueable, not less.
your infused backpiece will now have 2 slots

• agony resist slot

• infusion slot

the new agony resist you can get/craft can only go in the agony resist slot. the old slot remains the same and only can hold the old infusions.

he also says the drop rate of fractal skins will not change, and that apparently there was a small chance of fractal drops from 10-20 so this isnt changing

the skin thing sucks, hopefully they can come up with another solution

Wethospu.6437:

My issue is that I have grinded a lot to reach the maximum scale (scale 79 was quite disappointment tbh). And now I have to grind again to reach the maximum scale.

I don’t appreciate my work getting erased, no matter how you try to sugarcoat it or to make it look like players fault..

was 79 much harder than 55? do you think that they needed to improve the challenge and make fractals less of a repetive grind while climbing? these are the things they are trying to solve here.
they actually want the play from 31=50 to be different than 11-30, which is honestly a better designed system. Im assuming 51+ when it comes will also be different

Estriella Faerie.4029:

They said they changed the scaling of difficulty. By your argument, 1-30 is not the same as new 1-30, then why not reset everyone to 1 ?

he actually said its going to be slightly easier.
1-50.

the difference here isnt a matter of scaling though, 30-50 will have a new mechanic which im assuming will be kind of like gambits, or possibly the special conditions they had in GW1 hardmode. this means although they may not be mechanically harder, they could in fact be a fairly different experience. Which means your level 31-50 may not show you have mastered this new challenge.

level 1-30 though will be virtually the same though barring bug fixes and adjustments

Anyhow, as i said, im not sure they should be resetting people all the way to 30, thats an argument that may have merit, argue that case, if thats what you think is best.

i just think it wont be too effective to argue for level 80 things when level 51-80 will no longer be accessible, and behavior has shown its something they have been trying to prevent for some time.

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

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what exactly is it you want? you are arguing, but what would happen in your perfect world, that would still solve most the problems of fotm, add new modes, and not harm you?

Make leadersboards based on highest scale beated after patch. Let everyone keep their progression. People who have already grinded levels shouldn’t have to grind them again. If we can handle the skill/gear gating then let us do it.

Or just let us keep our prestige with one little title.

but your levels are meaningless above 51, there is no above 50 after next patch. Beating 50 will no longer give you access to to 51, Im not even sure they will give karma for level difference any more, so your 80 would essentially be an illusion.

and if as implied 50+ have new mechanics, i dont think you should get access to them for beating a different content.

i got no problem with a title. If it would be feasible to program, perhaps they could do the seperate number thing for the leaderboards. up to 50. try to focus your feedback on that.

So because I’m at scale 80 and new content caps at 50 I should be but back to 30? Sorry. unable to follow this logic.

Legendaries also got changed and people benefit from it. I fail to see why I can’t get the same courtesy. I have done huge amount of grind for nothing.

as to the legendary thing, they are changing and i doubt people will get refunds or titles for their old legendaries that they got precursors for via forge drop or tp, even if it ends up being a lot harder than the new paths

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

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what exactly is it you want? you are arguing, but what would happen in your perfect world, that would still solve most the problems of fotm, add new modes, and not harm you?

Make leadersboards based on highest scale beated after patch. Let everyone keep their progression. People who have already grinded levels shouldn’t have to grind them again. If we can handle the skill/gear gating then let us do it.

Or just let us keep our prestige with one little title.

but your levels are meaningless above 51, there is no above 50 after next patch. Beating 50 will no longer give you access to to 51, Im not even sure they will give karma for level difference any more, so your 80 would essentially be an illusion.

and if as implied 50+ have new mechanics, i dont think you should get access to them for beating a different content.

i got no problem with a title. If it would be feasible to program, perhaps they could do the seperate number thing for the leaderboards. up to 50. try to focus your feedback on that.

So because I’m at scale 80 and new content caps at 50 I should be but back to 30? Sorry. unable to follow this logic.

Legendaries also got changed and people benefit from it. I fail to see why I can’t get the same courtesy. I have done huge amount of grind for nothing.

i thought your debate was for 51-80 content

i concede that people who got up to 50 do have a point.
however, it is also true that the 31-50 you grinded and beat is not the same as the 31-50 they are putting in now, if the 31-50 is your focus, your posts should reflect that, its a very different issue than the 51-80 issue, and probably needs to be discussed seperately

ozma.3498:

Manuhell.2759:

Whereas fractal level 50+ could be gained only via exploits, thus they’re certain they’re putting back to level 30 people who exploited.

Nope. Revive Orbs aren’t an exploit. And ArenaNet then introduced their own system of letting you “level up” by doing a higher run than your own, making it possible to do 50+ without Jade Maw. Again, that’s not an exploit – I did 50-80 totally legitimately, clearing maps out the same way I would at level 11, 13, 15, etc., opened by people who did it legitimately. Again – using a Revive Orb type item in a free to play game isn’t an exploit. It’s completely normal to expect some degree of “pay to win” in any free to play game.

If they didn’t like people being in 50+ they should have prevented access, rather than pseudo-fix it by having an “unkillable” boss (that’s a ridiculous way to prevent players from doing something). They could have also made personal level 50 the hard cap in their code, instead of allowing it to go to 81. They chose some number – why should the community have to figure out that they wanted it to be 50 (no communication, of course) even though the actual cap is 81?

your just rationalizing at this point. you already know exploits and bugs are not often things that are disallowed by the game, they are unintended consequences of normal play. They likely had not reviewed how they wanted to solve the problem so they did not solve it before.

As for buddying to a higher level, that was intended for normal play, not as the way to get past 50. Do you really believe they decided that only people who used res orbs previously should get to decide who can get past 50?

Do you really beleive they made it impossible to beat jade maw with a res orb by an actual player because they wanted people to buddy past that fractal?

you re just telling yourself what you want to hear, even if its illogical.

they arent punishing you, they are closing an exploit

and yeah they are basically doing exactly what you said, they are closing off access, just took em awhile to do it.

far as communication, yea it could be better. They could have said, go past 50 at your own risk, its unfinished and we didnt expect people to get there, we arent even sure we re going to go in that direction.

but yeah you still would have done it regardless, why are you fronting?

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

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what exactly is it you want? you are arguing, but what would happen in your perfect world, that would still solve most the problems of fotm, add new modes, and not harm you?

Make leadersboards based on highest scale beated after patch. Let everyone keep their progression. People who have already grinded levels shouldn’t have to grind them again. If we can handle the skill/gear gating then let us do it.

Or just let us keep our prestige with one little title.

but your levels are meaningless above 51, there is no above 50 after next patch. Beating 50 will no longer give you access to to 51, Im not even sure they will give karma for level difference any more, so your 80 would essentially be an illusion.

and if as implied 50+ have new mechanics, i dont think you should get access to them for beating a different content.

i got no problem with a title. If it would be feasible to program, perhaps they could do the seperate number thing for the leaderboards. up to 50. try to focus your feedback on that.

ozma.3498:

phys.7689:

there is no other content in the game that requires a res orb, they specifically said when res orbs were released that they would not be making content that required them in order to succeed.

They also said there was infinite progression. In fact, they’ve said so many things that they’ve gone back on it’s quite remarkable – I could probably list 30 things right now off the top of my head, but that would veering off topic. Also, not everybody reads everything ArenaNet says in a forum/tweet/whatever. If content is there right in front of you and ArenaNet is promoting/selling a “Revive Orb”, there is nothing strange about assuming it’s okay to use.

And they did make it impossible to enter via res orb eventually.

I guess you mean complete it and not enter, since Revive Orbs were never used in some kind of exploit to let you enter an area that was inaccessible. They were just to resurrect yourself after Jade Maw used Agony.

yup i mean using res orbs to complete it.

at that point the only way to get in, was for someone who was already there to let you in, if you hadnt beaten it already. That should have been a clue that it was going to be dealth with.

the closing of the portal took a long time, but its coming next week. so yeah they are essentially doing what you are saying they should have done. After next week when you beat 50, which will be beatable, you wont get access to 51.

Wethospu.6437:

Manuhell.2759:

Wethospu.6437:

Lots of people have exploited their Dungeon Master title. Where is the reset to that? Also I’m quite confident lots of people have gained gold from unintended sources (= something which has been nerfed). Perhaps remove their legendaries?

Except Dungeon Master can be done by playing normally. And so are legendaries.
Level 80 fractals required an exploit to get there – there was no other way.
Any people who got over level 50 done it either via exploiting, or with the help of someone who exploited or that got there due of someone else exploiting it.

So exploiting is fair game if you have the option to do it normally?

what exactly is it you want? you are arguing, but what would happen in your perfect world, that would still solve most the problems of fotm, add new modes, and not harm you?

ozma.3498:

Can people stop with the “you weren’t supposed to be in there” nonsense already?

If we weren’t supposed to be in 50+ then why do the mobs continue to scale up as you get higher level? Why do bosses get harder as you go higher level? Are ArenaNet so thorough that they even balance mobs and bosses in content that is supposed to be completely inaccessible?

The original group that got to 81 did it totally legit. Using Revive Orbs is completely acceptable in PvE and still works in all dungeons/fractals to this day. People who say “it should have been obvious that using a gem store item to progress wasn’t intended by ArenaNet” need to wake up – free to play games often use “pay to win” strategies.

And let’s face it – no MMO company builds impossible to kill bosses to prevent people from doing stuff. If you try to place a bid on the TP for more gold than you actually have, does a huge boss appear and one-shot you? No – you just can’t do it, the game won’t let you. If ArenaNet genuinely didn’t want people in 50+ they could have just made it impossible to enter.

there is no other content in the game that requires a res orb, they specifically said when res orbs were released that they would not be making content that required them in order to succeed.

And they did make it impossible to enter via res orb eventually.

Wethospu.6437:

Manuhell.2759:

phys.7689:

Im fine with them giving you a title, i understand it sucks to lose something you may have enjoyed. I suggest you guys campaign for some titles, that seems doable. The fact they will no longer be obtainable is fine, living story has some unobtainable achievements already.

A title for level 50 could have been fine (albeit, they should have forewarned us long before the change).
But a title for level 80? No way. The last thing this game needs is promoting the use of exploits – and you had to exploit to go until that level.
They already had a consistent karma bonus when doing lower fractals, they don’t need any other prize.

Or should they put a title for every exploit they fix? What next? A nice boat title for boat exploiters in Arah P2? (it would sound fun, though)
Please, no.

Lots of people have exploited their Dungeon Master title. Where is the reset to that? Also I’m quite confident lots of people have gained gold from unintended sources (= something which has been nerfed). Perhaps remove their legendaries?

the reset isnt a punishment, its because the level 50+ content you beat doesnt exist and doesnt represent what 50+ will be in the future. you beat a bugged side game that will no longer exist

wouldnt make sense for you to get access to whatever is new in 50+ because you beat a different form of content they didnt want you to have access to

Snoctopus.7084:

I usually stay away from forum posting unless it’s big related, but this has to be said.

The proposed changes to fractal level and infusions are completely unfair, and show a lack of appreciation and understanding for what players have had to deal with in fractals.

Anyone with a personal level of 49 or higher has had to endure some of the buggiest, most poorly tuned content on the game. Be it the invincible immune harpies on uncategorized, the 15 minute clown car on dredge, or the flat out hard grawl shaman, we persevered and advanced, playing over and over, month after month, to farm skins and make our agony sets and raise our personal level to 49.

Our personal level should not be rolled back to 30, and we should not lose agony resistance. These are statistics and achievements that we, as players, have EARNED, in spite of the abysmal rewards provided by fractals.

New content should not come from undoing the achievements of players and making them redo something for no legitimate reason. I have never in my ten years of playing mmorpgs seen something as disgraceful as a “content patch” specifically designed to punish the high skill players such as this.

the infusions arent changing, thats a bit of a misunderstanding

the level is changing, no it wont be as difficult as you like, and yes it wont give the chances at a fractal weapon you are used to.

Its also going to have a different game mechanic added, so its going to be a bit different than what you did before. dont know if its necessary to reset 50ers to 30 unless the new mechanic is signifigantly different in play, but oh well what can you do

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Manuhell.2759:

phys.7689:

Im fine with them giving you a title, i understand it sucks to lose something you may have enjoyed. I suggest you guys campaign for some titles, that seems doable. The fact they will no longer be obtainable is fine, living story has some unobtainable achievements already.

A title for level 50 could have been fine (albeit, they should have forewarned us long before the change).
But a title for level 80? No way. The last thing this game needs is promoting the use of exploits – and you had to exploit to go until that level.
They already had a consistent karma bonus when doing lower fractals, they don’t need any other prize.

Or should they put a title for every exploit they fix? What next? A nice boat title for boat exploiters in Arah P2? (it would sound fun, though)
Please, no.

tell me 1 exploit I did it legit with using revive orbs part of game mechanics what is the exploit here ? please just tell me I don’t get it if no dev confirms that using rez orbs they considered a exploit don’t tell me it was one!

exploit is anything you do that leads to unintended results, doesnt mean its necessarily malicious or you re fault. For example snowflake exploit made use of nothing but salavage kits and a recipe they created. some exploits in dungeons involve nothing but jumping in the right place.

They are not banning you, they are just closing the exploit more completely.

Quick Mouse.7635:

Do not do this please
Myself, and plenty others, have worked so hard to get fractals 30+, 40+, and even 70+, on multiple characters because THIS WAS THE ONLY CHALLENGE IN PVE. Reverting all of that progress to level 30 is the biggest slap in the face to the dungeon community you could possibly give, in addition to having ZERO updates to dungeons since you announced that dungeons were getting a revamp almost year ago. Srsly. Number 1 method to completely drive off the only remaining dungeon commuity you have.

you re angry, i get that, but you should try to get pass that and verbalize what you actually want here.

Is your main beef the loss of the prestige you felt for the number of fractal you got up to?

Or is your main beef the fact that nothing as hard as level 70 fractals currently planned?

Even if you didnt play SAB do you think that hard mode with different color items/titles was a good system that should be repeated?

try to make your feedback more useful and less full of rage, you may have some good points behind the rage, but its not clear what you want`

Estriella Faerie.4029:

What is the point to reset us to level 30 anyway. They said the difficulty for new level 30 will be different than old 30. If that’s true, why are they letting players who are only lvl 30 at that level, if it’s harder they may not even be able to do it.

If they want the “competition to begin in earnest”, why not reset everyone to level 1 then, it’s the best way to ensure everyone can go to the real level he can play.

The answer is easy. If they did that, they’d have a bash-storm on forums and IG. They chose to reset to level 30 just because most players are around those levels or lower, and wouldn’t complain much.

Players dedicated to fractals, who should be the most enthousiastic about a fractal patch (hey, we were waiting for it for 10 months!), are completely thrown away, like our opinion didn’t matter at all… For 10 months, we were saying that Anet had no love for fractals and the players dedicated to it. They just proved us right.

probably because 1-30 are virtually exactly the same. 30+ s going to be different, but from what Mr ordon said, not really harder strictly speaking.
Also i think from 30+ you could get all the same drops, so its not like your losing access to drops.

i do think it sucks that you may have to do 30-50 again even though its not really harder, but at least its different, maybe it will be more entertaining although not more difficult

haviz.1340:

phys.7689:

k, no analogies

You used various methods to get around game mechanics, they tried to patched these methods multiple times, you were in what amounted to a bugged zone.

they remove the bugged zone
you re sad

you really want them to make the whole game revolve around the bugged zone you unlocked? Even if said zone is half finished and poorly designed and implemented? its just illogical

Multiple times being once?

What I would want is some kind of recognition, just like pvp players got titles for being on the poorly designed and implemented QP leaderboard which ceased to exist. It’s completely logical.

they first changed the mechanics like search and rescue, deathshroud etc, there was a number of fixes for this from my memory, but doesnt really how many times they tried to close the hole, they tried to close the hole.

Im fine with them giving you a title, i understand it sucks to lose something you may have enjoyed. I suggest you guys campaign for some titles, that seems doable. The fact they will no longer be obtainable is fine, living story has some unobtainable achievements already.

problem is some of you sound like you want them to let you still warp to the level 80 fractals which no longer represent the game mode. say what you want within reason and they may create something for you

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Poplolita.2638:

I’d be glad if guild wars 2 reset and revamp spvp/tpvp ranking. Anyway, this thread is full of “I’m the victim now, and I will fully play this role with crappy analogies”, and “I didn’t know, so I did nothing wrong”. Very constructive. If you didn’t know reset could be a possibility in a broken content: Welcome to the mmo world I guess.

…

Legendaries are broken : they are not legendary they are just Money based and can be bought with Money
Dungeons are broken: You just can buy dungeon runs
WvW is broken: not even Server Population ppl who farm wxp on a good Server with big coverage have an Advantage to ppl with less covarge
The Market is Broken: Trading Posts / Bots make more Money a day than ppl playing the game

soooo what to do if things are broken right …. RESET IT !!!!!!!

So reset legendaries… because they are not Money based
reset dungeonmaster titles … becaues buying em isn’t dungeonmastering (EXPLOIT!!!)
reset wvw … Seems unfair to have more wxp than other because of the coverage
reset the Market … seems unfair ppl make more Money on Tp / botting than just playing the game soo reset all Money to 0

And if you have done all this please Reset FotM : because ppl already got there and you make em new now but RESET EM TO 0!

yeah, thing is the kind of do reset these things sometimes when they are broken. The reset arrow cart mastery, they reset your rating in spvp recently i believe. The change skills, which change builds, and you got to buy new gear for flavor of the month builds. They banned people for snowflake exploit and only reinstated them when they destroyed the money gained or something like that

so yeah in an MMO sometimes broken things get fixed, and you lose the advantages you once had, this is pretty much in the realms of normal for an MMO

haviz.1340:

More analogies.

k, no analogies

You used various methods to get around game mechanics, they tried to patched these methods multiple times, you were in what amounted to a bugged zone.

they remove the bugged zone
you re sad

you really want them to make the whole game revolve around the bugged zone you unlocked? Even if said zone is half finished and poorly designed and implemented? its just illogical

Ashen.2907:

phys.7689:

Ashen.2907:

phys.7689:

But you cant really expect them to keep what amounts to a dev bugged zone as the standard.

I would be inclined to agree if ANet refunded the money spent on gems to access the “bugged zone.”

why should they refund you gems for accessing the bugged zone? no one ever asked you to try to break the wall via gems? If we found out using the speed boost item allowed you to run through certain walls, and behind these walls was an unfinished dungeon, should they refund your gems for buying this item?

When they closed this use, and you only had access because you unlocked what amounted to a waypoint, didnt you figure hey guys we are in a bugged zone that isnt currently accessible except by us and the people we choose to invite.

Should they make everyone now do everything you did, when they never intended you to break through the wall?

They mislabeled it an infinite dungeon, it was not that. But you guys had to realize you werent where you were supposed to be some time ago. You enjoyed being there, but dont expect the game to cater to you, or refund you money for the tool you used to break the mode.

You are making an inaccurate assumption.

I have not played Fractals at the mentioned levels and do not know anyone who has.

ANet sold a product to people knowing that the product was being used to progress in certain content. I would tend to agree that the refunds should not cover purchases made after they, “closed this use,” though.

no game company, or producer of items covers refunds for improper use of an item. People sell lockpicks, if i use it to break into an abandoned building, i cant expect to get a refund if the company decides to fix the locks. The res orb exists outside of fractals it was not marketed as a fractal tool, it existed before fractals. People chose to use it to get around a game mechanic, and get to the forbidden zone. Thats what they wanted out of it, its what they got. They closed the hole, thats all really

Wethospu.6437:

Going to a portal and clicking “Enter” isn’t exactly same as running through a wall.

That’s all I did. Unfair to punish me if other people cheated! But hey, as long as the game caters to you it’s all right!

punishing you would be banning you. really all they are doing is finally completely patching the hole and removing the teleport to that zone. (speaking for 51+) 31+ people have a more legitimate beef.

and not really about catering to me, I m not really opposed to letting you guys have your playground, but it honestly makes little sense from a design/development standpoint. The only way around it design wise, is to essentially make two fractal paths, give no benefit and titles to 50-80 on the old path.

problems with that design wise is
its going to be confusing which path you are on

50-80 old path would essentially be a dead relic of a game mode, not getting anymore development, and not giving reward for all the work

even though 1-30 is the same on both paths you would probably have to relevel to 30, or create some confusing system to decide which path to take, inevitably many would take the dead end path by mistake and wonder why its abandoned.

even though its probably like .01% who have access to and enjoy this dead end mode, you would have to set aside server space and extra resources, and development just to not support it that well.

yall essentially moved into an abandoned building, should they never build anything there again because you got by while the guard was sleeping?