Guild Wars 2

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better.

Lets look at this the other way. Where is the math that proves warriors out dps thieves?

Theres no math anywhere that I am aware of. I said this, you quoted me, then you ask where it is? You should learn some basic reading comprehension.

Archon.6481:

Also, can you prove that the spreadsheet is wrong?

Does it show its work so you can check what it is doing?
Serious question.

But hey, tell us the gear/rune/sigil/trait/buff/food/skill setups youre comparing, what your rotations are, and use the spreadsheet to tell us how much damage they would each do in a 20 second time frame (because thats 2 weapon swaps, so you get to use everything.) That way we can all know what does the most damage.

The math was actually done several times both in general forum and thief forum. Both times, d/d backstab rotation out dps warrior axe/mace + gs rotation by quite a bit assuming both have 25 might 25 vuln (I’ll link one later). Where warrior out dps is in solo cases where they have better and more frequent access to might and vuln. In coordinated groups, that means nothing as you will have 25 might + vuln every fight (as shown in the vid).

The reason why most people think war>all is simply because most people are terrible players and warrior is the easiest class to play while dealing heavy dps. Guard is right up there but they deal less dps than a warrior. That is why most noob groups will say lfg mes, 3x war, guard only. They want easy mode classes to win instead of achieving max efficiency through solid play.

Here, the math was done in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2063584

I have to ask, how do you get he youtu.be links? I could only find them immediately after I uploaded.

Excalibur.9748:

1) Shadowsteps and shadow returns works properly….does not clip against objects. Using infiltrator’s arrow works 100% of the time to get you places, ie can be used for jumping puzzles
2) put back the stunbreaker on shadow return and revert lotus poison nerf oh and put back cluster bomb to 1200 range.

Agree with everything here. Sad thing is these aren’t buffs but reverts to unnecessary nerfs (except maybe the stunbreak). I’d even say that slow moving projectiles no longer “heat seeking” should be removed. Guardian scepter, necro staff, and thief sbow would love you forever.

1) Stealth strikes are unblockable while flanking.
2) Evade skills work exactly like the universal evade. They should be instant (not get held up by skill queuing) and shouldn’t be affected by haste (it currently cuts the evade time in half).

Excalibur.9748:

don’t fast forward i don’t watch any videos that fast forwards

Sorry that you don’t like how I make my videos but I really didn’t want to spend 3 hours just in the converting process and another 3 or more uploading them to youtube. I won’t be uploading the full run either as all the raw videos from fraps takes up an ungodly amount of disk space. I had less than 10g left when it was all done. Those vids alone took up over 75gb of space.

I slowed the video down for any moment that showed anything I felt people would like to see. That includes boss fights, certain thiefism mechanics, and a few fail moments. Everything I fast forwarded can be chalked up to dungeon filler (that’s why the entire underwater fractal and maw fractal is fast forwarded :P).

Couldn’t beat 17.4s I see. Better luck next time :P Looking forward to when you hit 16.5s

swinsk.6410:

Pve, the lulz. Grats to you tho for owning some npcs.

lol at this guy, laughs at pve b/c it’s pve. If you wvw then I laugh at your mindless zerging. If you pvp then I laugh at you sitting on a point all day. Anything can sound silly, it all depends on how you think about it.

@ anubarak
Thx I’m not sure what I’m going to solo next but I have a few ideas. You’ll just have to wait and see :p

Back to the original topic, I just don’t understand why the anet staff doesn’t just turn to a few of the best players in all professions + game modes. It would only make sense.

Dredge, everything before the boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iK8KvCZWRQ
The boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n44KKFPfb8k
Water fractal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD1NPTxy5xE
Char fractal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3osENNcW9o8
Maw
http://youtu.be/N_iV-MtMyF0
Posting this here cause I’m a view kitten. I want my views :P

I figured I should probably post this here too since it’s thiefisms.

Grimwolf.7163:

I’m more impressed you can get away with putting Shadow Trap there, and not shadowstep back into a wall half way through the tunnel.

Thankfully it’s one of the few places left in this game where it doesn’t completely take a crap on shadowstep skills.

Zenith.7301:

hamsteak.1368:

i think it’s great that they’re changing dungeon rewards to be more um rewarding, i just hope that gw2lfg doesn’t start looking like “LF2M ZERK WARR COE PING” etc

It will always be LF Zerker warrior regardless of what dungeon is done.

The best classes don’t change by dungeon. Guardians and warriors are still supreme everywhere in PvE.

People are just stupid and think that killing CoF will remove speed clears and farm runs.

Why do people keep saying guardians? They really aren’t that amazing. Their only amazing quality is that they can maintain aiges for the players that rarely get hit and projectile wall on the few bosses that rely on projectiles. They don’t have that much damage and they need to swap to staff to generate good might stacks. And to all the pure tank guards… why? I’ve had more useful condition rangers in my groups then I’ve had tank guardians. At least when I have a ranger in my group all the annoying particle effects from the guard doesn’t manage to blind me and make the boss completely cloaked in shiny blue crap while being surrounded by more shiny blue crap.

Could someone link where they say they’re removing gold drops from bosses please. If that’s actually happening I’ll just have to chalk it up to one more incredibly stupid decision made to nerf dungeons. Seriously, what a terrible idea.

Player Character.9467:

lunyboy.8672:

Broadicea.8294:

lunyboy.8672:

Dolan.3071:

“I don’t melee I’m ranged”

Saying this should be the grounds for an instant vote kick.

So should comments like yours. I main an engie, with a pistol and rifle… what “melee” weapon should I be using oh Great Arbiter or Combat?

Tool Kit. Or there’s a tier 1 utility skill that you unlock at level 2, called Switch Class.

Oh yes, the ultimate solution, elitism.

Also, tool kit doesn’t hit as hard as grenades, but of course you wouldn’t know that, since you don’t play engineer.

How does it make you feel that I could faceroll dungeons on your main, but you couldn’t kill skelks on mine?

Lol.

So use your grenades? You asked him to name a melee weapon.

And use grenades in melee range. Pro tip. Grenades at range, at least 1 will fly off the edge and miss every time, grenade barrage will miss multiple times. In melee range, every grenade lands and deals full damage. You also benefit more from party buffs and help the party more when you’re close to them.

When people say melee they don’t mean you have to be weilding melee weapons. You can stand in melee range with ranged weapons and harpies won’t shoot the knockdown bombs at you.

generally you should use a melee weapon since the amount of ranged weapons in this game that do as much as melee is very small. You’re limited to staff ele (drop a few fields before swapping to hammer/fgs) and nade engi… that’s it. And that’s only ranged weapons compared to melee weapons for their class, not in general.

I think it’s funny you and I are basically neck and neck. About 300 t6 mats of 2 types and I’m done everything I need :P Gl!

click on the link in my sig
enjoy

^^ exception
Don’t ask me why

Edit
Because I don’t know why

Wethospu.6437:

Good job, bit surprised you didn’t abuse stealth to take the shield down.

I don’t think you quite understand how thief stealth works here… all stealth attacks, including the pistol one, only removes 1 tick, the attacks are slower than auto attacks, and you get revealed after hitting the shield once. If it was as easy as stealth to wreck the shield then this fractal would be a joke.

Dagraan.2854:

so you’re bragging about killing a bad player who had even less armor value than you and didnt realize he could of just auto attacked you to death.

tbh if you lost that fight you should be ashamed, he should be ashamed he lost to a under level, but bragging because you killed a bad player is just stupid.

i can get on my thief and kill some trolly staff mesmer build or a bunker ele build does that mean im a good thief? no it just means im better than that guy i killed.

Were you level 14 when you killed a full bunker ele or staff mesmer? No? Then it’s not the same.

spoj.9672:

At the end why didnt you skip the trash on the ramp leading to final boss?

I just wanted to kill the 1st 2 guys to show how pointless it would be to fight them. I did skip all the rest.

Oh wait you meant the vets after the clown cart. I just don’t like skipping them. I find they almost always drop loot and I wanted my loot.

Anubarak.3012:

randomfightfan.4091:

Bumping this cause I haven’t seen another thief even attempt this. I’m also trying to get a good name out there for pve thieves and tricks like this are what people notice.

That’s just because you don’t play on EU server^^
Anyway I don’t see other thieves doing this too. You can use this trap in arah p3 too (light part) or in swampland fractal

It doesn’t work as well for the lights as I had hoped. I tried a few days back and you get stuck on small ramp (how does one get stuck on a ramp?!). I didn’t test it too much but I’m certain if I were to place the trap before the stair in front of the light and ran down the ramp first it’d be amazing.

Same deal with swamp too. It’s redic op unless your direct passageway recently closed up. You’ll either move the entire distance or only as far as the 1st speed bump. With this trick I’m able to grab 2 orbs but that’s it sadly.

Other good places to use the trap are in cof p1 farms (to move the npc), ice fractal (on white out), and Lupi for phase 2-3. I haven’t really tried any other places but I’m sure there’s a few more. Sadly, there really isn’t any time when it’s useful to be used aggressively since the fury and might is only 5 seconds but any longer and the trap would be disgusting in wvw and pvp.

The actual best is one that I haven’t seen posted yet (but I haven’t look all too hard either). It’s 30-30-0-0-10. You run signet of assassin (obv), another signet, signet heal, and shadow trap. You wait till someone procs your trap, use the 3 signets, then you shadowstep to your target and are invis with 25 might and fury. You need signet might trait for this and everything else is damage traits.

I’ve hit over 20k against fully geared and armored people without any outside buffs (including not having food).

I should also say that if you have a thief and a mesmer on the team you can bring the whole group in for the 1st bomb. It needs to be a coordinated group though. Any thief can solo the bombs in any group if they want. It might take at most 1 minute longer though just b/c you have to wait for cds. The majority of the time the bombs will be down while you’re waiting for your cds so it’s not wasting any time.

naphack.9346:

actually, no.
Balance should be looked at in a broad context but mainly be applied towards “high” skill level. It should never be done towards the elite few, nor towards the utter garbage tier of players, because that can turn ridiculous quite fast.

Any player can get better, all it takes is practice and knowledge. Balancing a game around trash players who don’t want to practice and don’t want to learn is just a bad idea. If the game was balanced around the mid level of play, the professions that were good were good at low levels might be trash when the player gets better. Might be the other way around too. It might even lower the skill cap on all classes, making it so players would have less and less to work towards while playing. Sounds boring to me.

Anubarak.3012:

wow nice
Do you remember how long the charr fractal took?
Just to compare with my time (1.5h with few wipes v.v)

It took about half an hour with 1 wipe on the boss (ate a flame blast aoe to the face while trying to prep the vets). Would have been longer but the trash mobs in the center area cooperated surprisingly.

Now do grawl plox, GJ with the others

It’s on my list but it’s not very high up there since you already got it done :P

Bumping this cause I haven’t seen another thief even attempt this. I’m also trying to get a good name out there for pve thieves and tricks like this are what people notice.

jwaz.1908:

Oh and guardian putting up aegis when the destroyer boss casts dragon’s tooth, or else everyone goes boom.

If everybody just attacks from near the edge of their melee range, when the tooth comes you can just walk 2 steps and never need to stop attacking. The only time you need guard aiges is either in the groups that 100% need the warrior to never have to dodge to interrupt a possible 100b. Most of the time any decent group without a guard will just use axes the whole time or wait till the 1st tooth is cast before using 100b.

@ op

I also have a video/semi-guide to killing Alpha in all 3 paths and a solo of p2 but you might be better off finding a vid that explains exactly what the bosses do before watching vids to figure out how to counter them. I’m a thief and weth is a warrior so just pick which would help you the most. If you’re interested just click the link in my sig.

I suggest doing CoE. It’s actually a fun dungeon and is the best dungeon atm to prep you for arah if you ever decide to run it.

Dredge, everything before the boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iK8KvCZWRQ

The boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n44KKFPfb8k

Water fractal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD1NPTxy5xE

Char fractal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3osENNcW9o8

Maw
http://youtu.be/N_iV-MtMyF0

Posting this here cause I’m a view kitten. I want my views :P

coe p2 p3 are faster than p1 if you know what you’re doing and they provide more rewards (t6 dusts p2+p3, des lodes p3).

Dagraan.2854:

randomfightfan.4091:

Dagraan.2854:

its heavy in initiative and gaining initiative when you stealth, and gaining it faster in stealth, and various other things.

its a trash build for anything but being a total kitten and having to get at least 15 coordinated people chaining every single control skill to stop them. god help the 15 people if they zerg a pve mob and rez the thief.

its a obvious broken exploit that anet won’t fix until its absolutely the last thing to fix.

If that’s an exploit to you then I’d like to introduce you to a bunch of legit exploits that other classes can do with their builds.

oh im sorry is being a god of wvw not enough for you? would you rather be able to distract 30 people instead of 15 just to kill you if you do manage to get revealed.
or would you rather backstab insta down anybody regardless of armor? lets not add in the fact you can move 1800+ in just 2 seconds thats just not enough.

don’t try to hide it perma stealth is an obvious exploit of a broken mechanic, they just don’t wanna deal with the uproar if they actually fixed stealth.

Where is all this rage and screaming for buffs coming from? It’s clearly not from anything I’ve said.

http://www.youtube.com/user/randomfightfan

That’s just the link to my channel as it will save me from making 4 posts. In the next few hours/day or two, I’ll have 4 t2 fractal solos uploaded. I got dredge (minus the switches ofc), water, char, and maw. I got lucky that I didn’t get swamp or kitty :P Wouldn’t be able to do all 3 lights (can do 2 max with mesmery type tricks) and kitty would be hell to solo (unless it’s different at lower levels, haven’t done one below 48 in a long time).

They’re all up now

Go to 1 minute into the video. It’s a little known thiefism that will make you godlike at dredge. Anet thought they nerfed our tricks but they had no idea we’d beat their system :P

Every time a group I was in got the bomb door, they’d do nothing but complain. EVERYBODY seems to hate the bomb door. I hope this video shows you how you can make life a lot easier during a run in the worst instance in fractals.

Go to 1 minute into the video. It’s a little known thiefism that will make you godlike at dredge. Anet thought they nerfed our tricks but they had no idea we’d beat their system :P

Every time a group I was in got the bomb door, they’d do nothing but complain. EVERYBODY seems to hate the bomb door. I hope this video shows you how you can make life a lot easier during a run in the worst instance in fractals.

LordByron.8369:

No thank you don t waste your and our time

Its unintended and not even interesting depending on profession spcific mechanics.

Is getting patched anyway….
And i think those sort of posts are more for personal glorification than actual to help, or people would be a little more objective on instances rather than suggesting how to use stuff to avoid mechanics that are not working well.

Sounds like something someone who doesn’t want to learn would say.

Dagraan.2854:

its heavy in initiative and gaining initiative when you stealth, and gaining it faster in stealth, and various other things.

its a trash build for anything but being a total kitten and having to get at least 15 coordinated people chaining every single control skill to stop them. god help the 15 people if they zerg a pve mob and rez the thief.

its a obvious broken exploit that anet won’t fix until its absolutely the last thing to fix.

If that’s an exploit to you then I’d like to introduce you to a bunch of legit exploits that other classes can do with their builds.

LordByron.8369:

use 3 warriors and 2 guardians

people just can t see the difference between easy professions with easy instances since release…when people started to complete dungeons nobody could with only guardian and warriors.

2 thieves works too, 2 to perma blind, the other to blind in while invis and beat the seal, shadow return without drawing aggro. After 2 swings, they swap. Back when fractals was new me on thief and my guardian friend were basically duoing 48 since the pugs were generally so bad and would freak the f out if the last chanter died.

Polaritie.4851:

randomfightfan.4091:

dagger has higher single target dps even if you aren’t cnd backstabbing or heartseekering. Problem with sword is that they have nothing else beside the auto attack for damage buff (pistol whip doesn’t do higher dps). Since most threats that actually matter are single targets, dagger wins.

Oh and poison on dagger also causes weakness if traited.

With the nerf to the trait, you get more weakness uptime from sword.

Is true, but dagger also has leap finisher. If weakness is such a big deal, get a poison field (so many of them from many classes) and leap through it. Weakness on the enemy for 8s (last I checked). Generally weakness won’t be anything special but it will be nice to have when it’s there. Raw dps will always be better than things like cripple, weakness, chill, and whatnot in pve except in those few niche circumstances where you need the control over the damage. Sadly, those moments are few and far between.

Anubarak.3012:

Wethospu.6437:

Bloomhunger is really annoying to melee. There’s good chance that some circles won’t even appear (at least if everyone melees).

I’m more then surprised oO
I always melee him, it’s so much easier b/c you can reflect every attack except his autoattack.
Even when I solo him I never range

On thief he’s quite hard to melee b/c if you don’t have someone in the party to put a bubble under him while he shakes, or have active/passive blocks, even if you time the barrages you’ll still get hit sometimes/more than you’d like.

The one they need but not the one they deserve?

because people were still beating dredge in under 30 minutes. That’s just too fast to be able to complete 1/4 of a dungeon

dagger has higher single target dps even if you aren’t cnd backstabbing or heartseekering. Problem with sword is that they have nothing else beside the auto attack for damage buff (pistol whip doesn’t do higher dps). Since most threats that actually matter are single targets, dagger wins.

Oh and poison on dagger also causes weakness if traited.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

Bad Rangers are bad. The profession has qualities that make it very good, despite everything I used to think about them. That’s why we had a 16 second Destroyer kill and you… Well, you played with some bad Rangers.

You’re right, I should have worded my post better. As a class it’s possible to achieve some good moves. It’s just sad that the majority of the players don’t even try to do those moves. I wouldn’t have even said anything but the rangers said that ranger was their main and they each were almost at or over 11k achieve points. It’s disgusting to know that some people don’t even care about intentionally making a bad name for their own class.

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

It took me about 2 hours to beat all the guys without the use of any boosters or foods… It isn’t random, there’s an order to all of them. You also have access to signature moves. Use yours wisely. There’s 2 or 3 that are better than them all and each one is amazing against another (except the unblockable fake). I really don’t know what you’re complaining about.

Dolan.3071:

Ooh that was really good! I have to admit I got a bit distracted when I noticed you shooting unicorns around :P
A few questions, how come Alpha never did Teeth of Mordremoth? (The ground spike cone attack)
I couldn’t really tell how you were avoiding the Golem’s knockdown laser, was that just Smoke Screen or what?
Also those first couple of attempts at the Evolved Husk was my experience, I’d just get too close and they’d decide to blow up there, then I’d nick 3 blossoms too many and lost the plot xD
I lol’d at Spire at the start, the number of times I’ve had to run back and revive her <_<
If only my Warrior could bust itself out of those crystals, then I could solo him if my team wipes, nowadays if they die so do I…

Anyway awesome vid, but I do feel sorry for a Thief’s lack of Fury uptime, the lack of critical hits really roughed up your deeps.

No teeth b2 it was p2, avoided the lazer by dodging it and blocking it with smoke, and the only thing you need to worry about it learning the range and clearing a few trouble blossoms. Once you get that down it’s all easy.

Wethospu.6437:

Must say that video doesn’t really convince me. So would be better if you could make a clean one.

With my tactic you have very low risk of dying, doesn’t require really any skills and is suitable for 5 players.

I don’t blame you for not believing me with that vid, it was pretty bad. I’ll work towards getting a good one out. Will give me something to do :P I do find it’s the best thing to do while pugging though since all the pugs like to slow you down considerably. The only thing that makes that tactic slower is when I tell the guys to come in and tag for loot then they proceed to aoe all the golems down.

I was still pretty new at that strat when I made this vid. I’m a lot better at it now and would be more than willing to show you a slightly easier way in a run some time Husk is at 12 minutes or so in the video. Once you do it a few times it gets very easy. Now I almost always have all 3 bombs blow up in the boss’s face (the 4th always follows for a 2nd pass). It takes about 1-1.5 mins to kill him from full as long as all your teamates stay out of the room.

Travlane.5948:

guardian has literally no chance against me….dont care WHAT build he plays. the only builds that are tough to play with this are against D/P thief and D/D healing/cleanse ele. both of which i WILL kill although the ele would take 2 mins prolly…but then again nobody runs the ele cleanse bc that build cant kill a rabbit :P the dmg is so redic low its not funny. basically no diff than a troll build.

I remember using a very similar build in tpvp (where EVERYONE is bunker). I was shooting and sneak attacking this ele constantly but all she needed to do was ignore me to win. I was shooting her from one node to the next and 1 water dodge would cleanse 90% of my damage and all my bleeds. It wasn’t even funny how disgustingly bad it was to try and fight. After about 2 minutes of trying to get the ele off a point I just had to give up b/c there was no chance of ever moving her. At the same time though the ele didn’t do any damage but when all you have to do is stay alive on a point, you don’t need to do damage.

pretty good in wvw and pvp, beyond trash in pve. You won’t be dying much but also won’t be doing much either. Even if you took thrill and bountiful in pve you’d still not be doing anything but keeping fury and vigor up.

Xae.7204:

Pavel.8531:

Are you happy now, that I linked you the previous thread? Search next time. Btw note the “the day I lose 1v1 against thief on my engineer is the day I uninstall GW2” comment. But of course, it’s not your skills that are lacking, it’s the class that is OP(the general noob belief).
/thread

And of course it is never that people are playing an overpowered class. It is always that every other class is full of noobs.

All classes are full of noobs. Whenever I’m in wvw my 1st target is another thief b/c they are generally free kills. If instead of complaining all the time you’d see just how easy it is to kill thieves. The 1st day I went out in wvw with my engi I met a minion necro. They all died instantly to my stupid amounts of aoe. After that a backstab thief and a warrior jumped me (immediately after the necro). It wasn’t even close. They got annihilated so hard it wasn’t even funny. Engi just constantly drops aoes so it’s thief hell.

Moral of the story, if you’re complaining about a class being op, odds are either the class was built directly to counter your build (ala counter-play NOT op) or else the player complaining is just terrible.

Thief is always at (why swear filter?) its strongest in melee. Any time you have no melee set in your arsenal, you’re only a shadow of yourself. Not to mention using nothing but projectiles will always make you super easy to counter.

Funny story, yesterday in wvw, I dagger stormed a thief unloading on me and a sbow ranger. They both downed themselves in a second or two.

Wethospu.6437:

With Warrior I just chopped all those cute bombs.

I do too… with thief (sword).

But to op, all you really need to know for thief in coe is grab remove condi on stealth to cleanse the burning (p1 p2) and know how to count to 3. Whenever he does his aoe, dodge on 3. There’s more you can do but that’s the basic and very simple way to succeed. Go d/d as well for max dps and the extra dodges + access to stealth.

Also, if you steal to the crystal or a tenticle, you’re guaranteed to get out. If alpha is in melee range and you steal to him, it will bug out. Your skills will look as if they’re ready to use but you’re still stuck in the crystal until it died or is destroyed. Shadowstep works the best for that part if you’re not in a group that stacks and melees.

If you’re doing p1 or p3 and you’re dodging the flame blast or massive ice aoe only to get hit by the line spikes, use death blossom. You’ll be evading into him, avoiding the line spikes.

Wethospu.6437:

About Husk:

The easiest and fastest tactic is:
Stand as far as possible from golems (between two spawning locations). Gun has huge range so you NEVER have to take aggro. If anyone gets aggro just kill the golem or let it explode (you can also knock it to Husk but bit more dangerous), don’t play with

I disagree. If you’re a guard or warrior you can just gather the golems when you have swiftness up and lead them into the boss (while blocking to make super easy). It goes by a LOT faster as long as you’re not aoeing the golems down. If you’re in a pug, it’s 10x faster to ask them to wait outside the room and let you solo. As long as you know what you’re doing (and clear a few troublesome blossoms), you won’t have any problems. I do it all the time on my thief and it takes a little longer for me b/c since I don’t have swiftness on my build, the occasional golem will go off early and I also have to wait for the vines to go down most of the time. It’s 3 golems at once or one at a time. That’s why warrior and guard can do it faster.