Guild Wars 2

Weez.6315:

thieves and warriors are faster than guards fo sure but if u play with meditations and 1handsword + gs you got 2 ports + 1 leap . in addition to that u can use traveller runes and in the end ur speed isnt that bad^^ (and your damage is higher than with war)

warrior has higher damage. it’s not even close. Guard has the disgusting amount of free sustain and boons.

when you’re inevitably going on a farming run where you need to tag things, nothing beats guardian staff. Ele is a ton more fun though if you like an active playstyle.

arrow kelvin.2075:

it ind. went better when I tried SB the last time I tried it, but can’t now cuz I"m in wvw with friends, I’ll let you guys know how it went when I try it again thnx for all the advice

no worries. Don’t forget to dodge through the masses when they get close. It keeps them still for a bit and gives you space if you do it right.

arrow kelvin.2075:

with full zerk?

yes

Also I tried with s/p but it just didn’t work out well… died very fast

@ the 2 above posts

That will never happen because it would just make too much sense. Been asking for those exact things for 1.5 years now and still no progress. Mine as well save your sanity and get out of fractals while you still want to play the game.

sbow, caltrops (for cripple), malice, dagger storm, and heal on crit food is what i used and it wasn’t too hard. Other utilities are for preference (I personally prefer dodge signet and sr). You can also use the new trait that heals on crit. I tried again recently and without the trait, I was able to easily survive at 16 stacks of sun (until they all died). Bet you could get even higher with the trait.

if only you guys were on NA or had a NA sister guild

as a thief, the teleporting thing she does is more of an annoyance than a major mechanic. You CAN keep up with her and bounce around with teleports and stealth… but all it does is serve to add another couple minutes onto the fight for no good reason.

If you REALLY want to see one done with her still teleporting, I have one on my channel somewhere that’s really old. Not nearly as good as this run though.

Kukchi.6173:

I am sorry but you seem to be forgetting the vast amount of teleports and stealth, if you use the evade heal you recover enough initiative. In addition while in stealth you can trait to regain initiative. Utilities don’t require initiative so the thief wont just be there standing . Also don’t forget about those perma vigor thieves that just dodge for days.

Obviously this one has no idea how thieves work…

Here’s a few things wrong with your statement:
1. Evade heal (withdraw) doesn’t regen initiative. What you are thinking of is (roll for initiative) a utility with a 50s cd that regens 6 initiative. It evades but doesn’t heal.

2. Thief utilities don’t have initiative costs, you are right. Although, neither do yours.

3. If they are using pistol whip, they are not invisible. Also, we only regain 2 initiative when we 1st enter stealth. Any further stealth stacks no longer give initiative.

4. Initiative has absolutely nothing to do with perma vigor thieves. The entirety of our vigor comes from either stealing the boons or from 2 traits. Each trait relies upon using abilities that don’t use initiative.

Please do your research next time you make a QQ thread. I know this is asking a lot but the entirety of the community would appreciate it if you would.

I personally found CoE 2 quite fun on my thief (minus the terminals though, needed friends for that).

You’d probably enjoy doing arah 2 or 3 as well (can solo the orb with shadow trap). Added bonus is when you finally get it done, you can sell the slots for monies. Only problem is Lupi is usually quite a hard solo the 1st time you do it.

Welcome to the club! Glad you’re having fun

Alright thank you for letting me know. Didn’t want to grind through 20 more levels of fractals only to hate the game again.

Short story first. I love the look of fractal dagger skin but after hundreds of runs and not getting it, it forced me to quit the game.

Now I hear rumors of a guaranteed token for any skin you want when you complete a 50+ run. Is this true? Is there a reason to keep doing fractals even after all the hell we went through in the early days?

Also is there any compensation that anet is willing to hand out for the dozen duplicate skins I had that didn’t get carried over when the new skin system was implemented?

Aleth.9630:

• Bombs in CoF p2 (probably with thief)

http://youtu.be/o3GeI1ZHIlo

Not me but still worth posting. This was done waaay back in the day where dungeon soloing was a rare thing.

Bumping cause the community should be proud of these people!

I remember making a thread asking for last refuge to become a major trait… a year and a half ago…

There are currently solo dungeons. Just 5 people usually do them together.

dutchiez.7502:

randomfightfan.4091:

Thief, main hand dagger with no off hand. Only allowed to use the 3 skill to kill the jungle wurms at the start of TA. I’m so mean :P

If you want a real challenge, try the double pursuer fight with nothing but the ladle :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qQDCMOfJ4U

I did use utilities and heal because it’s way easier and you didn’t specify ^^

I haven’t reached double pursuers yet but I will try when I get there.

I watched all 23:48 and I am sorry for making you do that. If I made any restrictions I might have had to take up Catholicisms so I could confess and be absolved of my sins.

The pursuers is a fun fight but kind of annoying since you basically rely on parries to get any damage in. Btw, restriction is no magic, no parry :P trololol

Thief, main hand dagger with no off hand. Only allowed to use the 3 skill to kill the jungle wurms at the start of TA. I’m so mean :P

If you want a real challenge, try the double pursuer fight with nothing but the ladle :P

alternatively you could aggro all of them and lure them to the boss by walking just outside of melee range and wait for them to sit down. That way you can have 3 blow up at a time instead of 1.

No Pulse.2967:

So my suggestions for your utility skills: Withdraw/Sig of Agility/Smokescreen/Roll for Initiative or Assassin’s Signet/Dagger Storm.

Pretty much this. I would suggest agility, assassin, and smoke. You really don’t need smoke if you’re going to double dodge every time when he aoes though. That’ll open up a slot for haste (if you’re ballsy), shadowstep (if you aren’t confident on avoiding phase 3 bubble), or infiltrators (if you want to use a signet build for might).

GL

If you want to use a thief in dungeons, use d/d. It’s a lot more fun to play than s/p and does a lot more damage to your target. There’s a lot for the thief to do but it seems you’re already shutting it out.

Ele is fun and has a lot of options too but 90% of the time you’ll lure the boss/mobs into a corner and use 3-4 to instant melt them all with fgs.

I agree with you on war and guard. They are very useful though.

I have an 80 mesmer but that doesn’t mean I know about it to comment on it for you.

Fluffball.8307:

Also almost every single dungeon run can benefit from group stealth.

And here all I remember hearing is “If I’m good I can run through everything without having to wait for stealth.”

If you want to see almost every weapon set in high quality… albeit old… pve, just click on the link in my sig. It’s all about pve and I tried to use the most efficient weapon sets that logic would allow as I really didn’t theory craft a lot. If you don’t watch then oh well. Good luck in your future endeavors thieving!

Dual.8953:

randomfightfan.4091:

When did they stop with the “No thieves”? i’m excited !!!

When they discovered that tanking is meaningless in PvE. We’re second place after Eles now!

Is this true? I really hope so cause I fought for months before finally giving up only to find this shining gem upon return.

When did they stop with the “No thieves”? i’m excited !!!

Ropechef.6192:

randomfightfan.4091:

CoE 2 was pretty easy to solo (need to get people to shut off the lazers though). A lot of fractals is easy too. I do suggest trying to solo Lupi first though since that’ll get you into a solid soloing mindset and clean up your timing quite a bit.

0.o

YOU!!!!!!!!

ITS YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!!

you made me want to be better!!!!!!

((thanks, i mean that ))

things like this are the reason why I started soloing

looked and looked but where is the new compilation thread?!

wanted to see what the community has been up to

haha love you guys

:)

Wethospu.6437:

randomfightfan.4091:

CoE 2 was pretty easy to solo (need to get people to shut off the lazers though). A lot of fractals is easy too. I do suggest trying to solo Lupi first though since that’ll get you into a solid soloing mindset and clean up your timing quite a bit.

Easy is pretty…. subjective.

lol sorry weth, you did do it on a warrior though where you were forced to tank through everything when you get crystallized. any other class but ranger has a wide variety of escapes from those kitten things. You’re 100% right though that I should have worded my sentence a little better.

Sanderinoa.8065:

Well its slower though, and if you’re gonna try alphy and abomination without proper strategy, you’re gonna have a bad time

The abom can be cheesed if you stack guns (assuming that’s still possible). You do have to wait a little while before shooting though so you don’t get 1 shot from an invisible rock. Alphy is bs though since he’s not affected by stuns or cripple… takes way too much effort for a mini boss imo.

CoE 2 was pretty easy to solo (need to get people to shut off the lazers though). A lot of fractals is easy too. I do suggest trying to solo Lupi first though since that’ll get you into a solid soloing mindset and clean up your timing quite a bit.

assuming the game is still similar to when I was playing, dagger dagger is the highest damage output by far. sword pistol is great for multiple enemies, dagger pistol is great in wvw but not so much in pve (except a few situations where it’s godlike). Shortbow is amazing. Learn to use the blast finisher to stack might, stealth, and others, and you’ll do amazing things.

I was a dungeon lover so all my advice is for the “higher levels” of pve. Quote marks cause once you get used to it all, they’re all at level 0.

Other then that, focus on dodging to survive. you don’t need much if any defensive gear (although a little is nice). Just focus on damage and kill things before they can kill you. Enjoy yourself

DO:
dodge
use daggers
focus on damage gear

DON’T:
die
use pistol main hand
die

That about sums it up

Lindbur.2537:

randomfightfan.4091:

spiritual sister thread

I thought this was its descendant. :o

I feel descendant is something that happens when the topic comes naturally from the parent. I feel this is more of a game of thrones style where the king was murdered and now the brothers are vying for the crown. This thread just happens to be Stannis.

Go forth and seize the throne!

Where was this thread 8 months ago when this wasn’t a beaten dead horse?! Oh right, it’s older brother was saying the exact same thing.

These boots were made for walking, and that’s just what they’ll do. One of these days these boots are going to walk all over you.

I approve this as the spiritual sister thread to the one that was lost and taken before its time.

AAAAnd to keep this dungeony. Booted up the game a few weeks back. first time in months. I had no idea how to do anything. I blew my elite a half dozen times just trying to turn my camera (autocad op). joined a cof party cause why not. Nothing was optimized from anyone. still managed to stay alive throughout the dungeon. Our only casualty was when one guy went afk inside one of the fire lantern things.

TLDR buff cof difficulty already pweez. If someone who can’t even figure out how to use the camera can full melee (on a thief) a dungeon with a random group and not even down, then the dungeon is too easy.

This one is better and actually explains what’s going on but it uses a bit harder strat.

http://youtu.be/AetZ-8QV8xo

Thank Auesis for doing such a great job here!

This man is right. Something big is coming in 2014.

Shameless plug for relevance! There’s def some ways to improve that by a lot but it’s an easy starting point. Just take out roll for ini and put in the dodge signet. Another one is drop the bow and use s/p to blind the locusts. That way you can have a dagger in the other set for an easier/faster p2 (and 3 if you cheese for no bubbles).

Praise the sun!

Don’t forget to praise the sun!

Here’s a picture from wayyy back. A few months ago my group would have styled all over this thread :P

When did Ornstein swap the spear for a Cannon? Btw gj

The people who sell the slots are people who are good at the game but don’t have money. People who want the gear but suck at the game pay money to the good players. The good players take the bad player’s money and buy toys they wouldn’t be able to afford without the bad player’s money. The bad players get to look how they want by throwing coppers at their screens.

Both sides get what they want. What is the problem?

This makes me sad. Some things will never change.

I guess some things never change

You can use this if you like and if not w.e

Did that a while back and it took roughly 17 mins to do.

Winter is coming and the lone wolf dies while the pack survives.

I’ve been gone for a bit and now all I see are threads about ta f/u qq. Is there something I’m missing or did it get buffed?

The only problem I have with retal is how stupid strong it is on a full pvt guardian. The guardian is already crazy hard to kill but back when I would go 10-30-30 in wvw, each hit of retaliation would do more damage to me than my dagger auto attacks would do to the guardian (I was full zerker). Since the guardian had more total hp than me, a better healing skill, heavy armor, and perma retal up time, there was just no way for me to kill them. Now when I fight guards I only hit them with the big burst attacks and almost never use small hits. That’s the only way I can beat them without killing myself.

Thieves are god tier in dungeons since all you need is dodges and damages. Nobody wants thieves b/c too many wvw thieves came over to try dungeons and failed miserably, giving thieves a bad name. If you get good you’ll do well but good luck finding a pug that will look past that you’re not a warrior, guardian, mesmer.

wish.1027:

randomfightfan.4091:

Here, the math was done in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2063584

It actually wasnt done in that thread, I looked. Can you link another?

It did have a good post about why math is best, player error while playing.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post1933414
Look at their excuses for not having better times.
#3, Slave Driver
Strife’s video, 1:23-1:32 = 9 seconds [Strife’s excuse: Didn’t hit 25 might, lost a second or two]
Our’s, 1:33-1:41=8 seconds [Our excuse: boss got pulled causing us to lose a second or two]

The only math I saw was… bad, not very accurate, and also about Ele.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2055108
This post quotes it and rips it apart.

Archon.6481:

Sigh. I don’t feel like arguing with people like you.

Your vey first post indicates that you think warriors out dps thieves since you laughed when someone claimed the opposite. Now pick your side and stick to your guns.

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-thief/first#post1901058

Thief dps

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-warrior/first#post1886080

Warrior dps

2 people who do a lot of math are phira and scootabuser. It’s now 12:30 and I need to be awake at 5:30. fml. I just wish the search function in this forum actually worked but it doesn’t even come close to working. Took me about an hour of filtering through 3 forums, page by page, until I found the post I remembered reading a few months ago.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Scootabuser-4915/showposts

That’s scooter’s posts page

I was just going to link this one

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-damage-compared-to-warrior/page/2#post2334499

But for whatever reason the posts weren’t showing for me so I had to go to the older post where it calculates thief dps with the old 4s revealed (where we still out dps warriors).