Guild Wars 2

Just a simple suggestion, I never understood why NO ONE in an mmo has never tried, if reskinning IS something that has to happen some time, instead of reskinning one whole set, why not make a new set from pieces here and there? People already like to mix it up a bit and put pieces together, why can’t devs be a little creative and use a mix of skins to make a whole new full-set if reskinning is what you plan on doing. There’s plenty of options of stuff that goes really well together.

(Whether or not it should happen is NOT this discussion, this is purely if, so please leave that discussion out of here)

Precisely why they need more full helms particularly for light armor!

Oblivion.8307:

lyssa runes have a kitten icd

Not enough of one. Warriors use Lyssa to the best effect and their signet with reduced CD is 48 seconds while the lyssa CD is 45. It’s still not enough.

Acandis.3250:

Godkitten you lazy piece of kitten. Vigor = dodge/5s. Normal = dodge/10s. Energy sigil = dodge/10s.

It’s not that hard to count. If you want to be a good player learn to keep track of CDs.

Glad you always know when the enemy has energy sigils on or passive endurance regen traits. You’re a genius.

glaphen.5230:

ronpierce.2760:

This shouldn’t even be a question. This is an important detail and the skill level change from this would be IMMENSE. Pressure force dodgerolls, watch energy, know when the best time to unload is, this would be fantastic for skillful play.

I can hear it now “My target, low on endurance, swap to them, immobing now.”

Please just yes.

You can already do this with skill so all this would do is make things less skill based than it already is.

You can already tell how much energy people have with Vigor/Passive endur regen traits and the big one, Energy sigils? I really don’t think so…

This shouldn’t even be a question. This is an important detail and the skill level change from this would be IMMENSE. Pressure force dodgerolls, watch energy, know when the best time to unload is, this would be fantastic for skillful play.

I can hear it now “My target, low on endurance, swap to them, immobing now.”

Please just yes.

Yes.

stof.9341:

The flamekissed armor kind of comes “free” with 6 transmutation stones. The human cultural T3 armor comes on rare items with bad stats so you have to factor in the price of 6 transmutation crystals.

As to this, TBH because the cost, I personally feel that Cultral armor should be exotic with the choice of stats, or even skins, but that’s a separate issue. It can’t be a skin simply due to the fact that it’s rank 80 PvP armor, but since pvp rewards are changing, this might change too. I’m not saying the Cultral armor system is perfect because it’s really not. I’m just saying people who got this version should be able to keep it, that’s it.

Facepunch.5710:

ronpierce.2760:

Well that’s just sad. (And no the first 11 pages were assuming it would continue to be available, there is a massive difference between seeing it a lot and 2 or 3 rare individuals, so no that’s not quite the same.)

But if you look at the actual content of those posts, people are complaining after having seen a single norn or a single sylvari in their human armor.

I think most people who can accept general reason can accept seeing 1 or 2 in it so those individuals don’t get cheated, and feel happy ANet fixed the long-run issue. To continue to rage because you see 1 or 2 people off-race with armor that’s still not the same thing just to run the topic into the ground would be a bit much. At least that’s what I’d think… If both sides can say “well you got your way” enough and the first group would rarely even see someone with this armor, I think overall they’d be able to get over it just fine. You seem to forget or ignore the fact that this will undoubtedly effect the trust in buying from ANet if they don’t let those who bought it in good nature keep it.

Facepunch.5710:

ronpierce.2760:

So my question to you, stof, is seeing 2 or 3 people along the way going to ruin your t3 gaming experience to ruin it for those few who bought it across various servers? Group 1 should be just fine with this. The amount of people you’ll see per server with it will be incredibly low, more so as time goes by.

The question shouldn’t be directed to stof. It should be directed to all players. And the first 11 pages of this thread (before ANet removed the set) indicate the answer is a resounding yes, whether you or I agree with them or not.

Well that’s just sad. (And no the first 11 pages were assuming it would continue to be available, there is a massive difference between seeing it a lot and 2 or 3 rare individuals, so no that’s not quite the same.)

So my question to you, stof, is seeing 2 or 3 people along the way going to ruin your t3 gaming experience to ruin it for those few who bought it across various servers? Group 1 should be just fine with this. The amount of people you’ll see per server with it will be incredibly low, more so as time goes by.

Depends. I play top 25 as an MM Necromancer, technically not the meta, you never see MM in the top 100 really. It’s also not as easy as everyone says to play in high-tier play, while yes its pretty easy against low-tier players who stand still a lot when fighting.

Titan Cronus.9216:

A wise man once said, “A good compromise leaves everyone feeling cheated”. it sounds totally wrong but its actually true. In a good compromise, no-one ever gets exactly what they want or feel is fair.

Actually 2 of the 4 groups would have been 100% satisfied, group 1 would have been mostly satisfied and only the people who wanted it and didn’t buy it would have really been “cheated”. Removing it all together does this:

Leaves group 1 satisfied,
Leaves group 2 happy but wasting potential compromise.
Leaves group 3 unhappy and also uncertain about purchasing from ANet anymore.
Leaves group 4 unhappy.

I venture to say my option leaves the least scar overall, and doesn’t hurt people’s purchasing trust in Anet as much.

It’s no doubt some people will be upset, some will be irked etc. There’s no “perfect” answer. I’m just saying what is the most fair and the best option. Buyers who bought out of good nature should absolutely not be punished, simple as that. Some people who don’t read the forums will log in one day and wonder why they got jukedwhen they were happy about their previous purchase. Some of which may even still be doing things/spending money thinking about this armor who have no idea it’s being changed.

Yes, some people will be muffed in group 1, but group 2 got their way overall, group 3 will still have their item they rightfully bought and won’t lose trust in ANet, and group 4 will be a bit muffed (but I can assure you the pain of having and losing is way worse than “what could have beens”).

Favoring anyone is bad, everyone being a little relieved but still a little meh is way better than the alternative:

People got their way and are happy, the PAYING people who some of which used real money get juked and thus musters uncertainty in spending money in the gem store (lowering ANets income over a poor decision), WHEN they could let “group A” still get their way, so relieve some of the damage and prevent any more in the future, while also retaining their sense of security in buying things from them in the gem store. This goes beyond in-game ethics, like I said. This has to do with their ability to be trusted an will hurt their income as a result if people feel like spending their money on ANet can be uncertain due to complaints over other in-game items. We’re talking in-game pride versus the use of real life cash.

stof.9341:

ronpierce.2760:

Actually favoring one side and screwing the other is not the best option. The best option would have always been finding a middle ground. Let people who bought it keep it. Rework and re-release a new set for everyone to buy. People who bought it would have been happy/relieved, people who hate it would only have to deal with a small handful of people who have it, and the only people who could really be TOO upset are the people who acted too slowly on buying it, but it would be the most globally fair.

Except that the group “we don’t want that armor skin in the game” will NOT be pleased by that solution and so your solution is not a middle ground but one that favors group B and ignores group A.

Its a middle ground because its already not common (go into towns, not enough people had time to buy it so it’s not very common to see because of how fast they ripped it down), and it would prevent further damage to Tier 3 because tier 3 would be back to the expensive high-end stuff and people would no longer be able to skip tier 3 and just buy the fiery stuff (because its no longer obtainable). This way they also don’t hurt the trust of people purchasing which is HUGE. They can get way more heat over a “bait and switch” claim than making an armor set not “exclusive enough”, this goes beyond lore reasons, this is an ethical issue. Hence why its fair to both sides. Tier 3 can remain feeling prestigious because it’s no longer a cheaper alternative, buyers will be happy because well… they bought it, fair is fair, and again the only people who’d have enough room to be upset is people who wanted it but didn’t buy it in time.

stof.9341:

I don’t want the new skin, I want to keep my cultural T3 I bought one year ago already :o

(well not me but I’m sure plenty would be saying that).

The solution is simple. Simple but it won’t please everybody because it’s not possible. You got group A that say : “we don’t want that armor skin in the game” and you got group B that says “we want to use that armor skin”.

There is NO way to please both groups. All ANet can do is please one or the other. Group A arguments (cultural armor should remain race exclusive and not available for 1/3 the price on gem shop) fits better with ANet vision for their game so they please group A and take the armor from group B. It sucks but that’s the best they can do to fix their mistake.

Now, if ANet suddenly reversed their position AGAIN, they would be clowns.

Actually favoring one side and screwing the other is not the best option. The best option would have always been finding a middle ground. Let people who bought it keep it. Rework and re-release a new set for everyone to buy. People who bought it would have been happy/relieved, people who hate it would only have to deal with a small handful of people who have it, and the only people who could really be TOO upset are the people who acted too slowly on buying it, but it would be the most globally fair.

I don’t see how this thread will last. You’re not allowed to call people out, and I’m fairly certain his post was a joke or to have fun… What is this? o.O

Khezekiah Bellamy.5016:

MINDLESS UNDEAD minions need constant control, pets are trained to attack his or her foe(s), turrets require no button pushing as they are built with friend or foe identification processors, conjured magical beings from elementalists and guardians are bound to the laws of magical ownership and will only obey commands from their conjurer and mesmer phantasms and clones are figments implanted the minds of the mesmer’s foes to attack them

mindless undead… need control? We have no control. We summon them and they mindlessly attack. Hell we can’t even control them when we’re NOT moa’d, why in the world would we need to control them when we are?

Well, to be perfectly honest due to this event, and having my stuff ripped from me, T3 already lost its prestige. Anyone I see using it would probably just put a bad taste in my mouth and I’d correlate that armor set with being greedy/snobby. :/ So, just saying, congrats preserving the prestige of it by throwing a tantrum and short-windowing other players fun, that set is now the mark of greed. (FYI I play human, it was never that big of a deal.)

Lol, yeah… High HP pool classes have pretty much always (until the whole healing signet fiasco) had less sustain due to high HP. Sustain is much much more powerful than a bit more HP.

It was a slight over-exaggeration but you get the idea. And unfortunately the only thing that’s really stopping THAT meta is conditions and wrecking ball for 10 seconds warriors, kinda makes it hard to pull off that burst, but if warriors get nerfed and so do conditions, I wouldn’t be in the slightest surprised if it reverted to a burst meta. To me, condition damage is a joke, but I try to stay out of that cause I’m biased. I simply don’t like the idea of it at all.

Oh, sure, I was referring to in general what people “want”. That was a bit off topic, more of a general statement. :P

selan.8354:

anet maybe thought that people would be happy to see such a beautiful armor set in the gemstore, but forgot that putting the same armor design like a cultural skin should is a bad idea. im glad they responded and admitted the mistake. maybe anet sees what people like when it comes to armor. medium armor should be less coats light armor should offer both revealing and elegant.
so the new flamekissed should have something that can be similar revealing and elegant like the human t3 but still be a unique design. people are very specific with clothes thats why i understand that many people are concerned about the redesign. it took me a while to figure out my armor design and id be mad if one piece was redesigned, but in this case it is necessary.
cultural should stay exclusive.

I’d say light needs more hoods/fullhelms and less face stickers. (for males) So many face stickers, there’s not much fun customization to be done with that. These are the major reasons I wanted grenth hood and gasmask so much, finally a few helms that make a difference on light wearers.

angelpaladin.7921:

kinda off topic sorry but is this the longest thread in form history?

I don’t think so, I think the balance change threads get bigger than this.

I think its more like why aren’t all bunkers (specifically power bunkers) able to do more, while burst have a little more defense. The stats need to be brought together a little more, the TTK is silly. Bunkers inevitably die if they’re not condy because they do like no damage, and burst kill people in 2 seconds or die themselves… Feels like vanilla wow all over again, burst, 1 shot or lose. Not very engaging.

Arnath.2319:

The Angle of Deth.2985:

To say that we bought gems not armor is semantics. Gems are the way to get real life money into the game. The ‘gem’ itself does nothing until it’s traded.

I WANT THE ARMOR I BOUGHT. PERIOD. No substitutes, nor re-working.

If you want to keep the armor then role a Human and put in the time and effort to buy it just like the thousands of other players did, dont be lazy, dont be selfish.

Its not ArenaNets fault you are not capable of understanding how the gem store works.

I AM human, and I don’t like the regular stuff, I like it with fire. Furthermore mine is on my PvP character, where you only get cultural armor at rank 80 (virtually impossible to reach by the way, never obtained yet) and it’s not as cool. I want what I bought, it fit my race, was exactly what I liked and I finally got cultural armor in PvP (and still paid a price for it) that suited me. And to be frank I honestly couldn’t care other races can wear my precious “cultural armor”, I’m not that greedy. #RacialEqualityInGW2!

Jaken.6801:

I have a fear.. if we get more of these sparkling items legendarys will become even more useless
i mean, one of their features was the special glow they provided. If they continue, everything will be up in effects and we have our own little disco everywhere we go.

You got a legendary? that is sweet.. but check out my new gemstore ultra mega deluxe sparkly armor. It has the same effect as your weapon on me, but i got some fine fiery wings bursting out my back.. oh yeah…

ANet has to make money some how, as long as there are items in the game you do still have to work for (all meta achievements for example). Also you work just as hard for gemstore products as you do for Tier 3, both canb e bought with gold, you just have to convert the gold to gems for gemstore items.

Also, just think of the sheer pressure that’s on the shoulders of the artists right now. They’re probably getting heat over the cultural ordeal and they have to be kitten sure its worth the switch. I honestly feel terrible for them. :/

That’s not the same thing. That’s two different businesses. This is a more realistic interpretation of what happened. (IE this became a scam)

“If someone said to you Buy this rock for 100 dollars and you can have this awesome gold bar worth 5000 dollars. Then once you bought the 100 dollar rock said you’re not getting the gold bar, you’re getting a STICKER of the gold bar, its worth 25 cents, deal with it. You can go through a terrible process to get your rock back if you spend a lot of time going through our process, and no you don’t get your 100 dollars back.”

Its the exact same kitten thing… What do you mean it doesn’t make sense. I took the same scenario and put in a different “useless currency” and you get a new lesser reward instead, and instead of getting your money back you get the useless currency back.

Soulmyr.8094:

Sailsd.9245:

So we basically can’t rely on anything we buy from you anymore. Thanks for using our trust and making this clear.

And thanks for using our trust cultural armor is race exclusive.

Why do you care so much? That’s what I don’t get. It’s a game for people to have fun, is it specifically fun for you to make sure no one else can have what you have? That’s called ego.

Arnath.2319:

This is incredibly stupid.

You payed for GEMS! You did NOT pay for the armor! ArenaNet owe you nothing but your gems back, they dont need to consult you on how the new FlameKissed looks, they dont need to give you money back, you should be grateful you are getting your gems back!

Once again you spent real life money on GEMS, you did NOT spend real life money on the armor set!

People bought GEMS because they wanted to buy the armor, it’s a middle ground currency so people can turn their gold into that currency and buy stuff they’d otherwise only be able to get with real money. People BOUGHT the armor, that was the bait. We didn’t go “Oh cool lets buy gems today! And…. Oh here’s something to spend it on!” That’s not what happened.

If someone said to you Buy this rock for 100 dollars and you can have this awesome gold bar worth 5000 dollars. Then once you bought the 100 dollar rock said you’re not getting the gold bar, you’re getting a STICKER of the gold bar, its worth 25 cents, deal with it. You can go through a terrible process to get your rock back if you spend a lot of time going through our process, and no you don’t get your 100 dollars back.

That’s good? Is it? You’re kidding me.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

LOL… I’m sorry, this is just getting out of control. So now … wait …. you want only certain players to decide what new armor is going to look like even though it will be for everyone’s consumption?

Seriously, this whole thing is completely ludicrous at this point. Although I give kudos to ANet for responding in a timely and fair fashion on the whole problem, I do hope they’re learning a valuable lesson here. Think before acting. What you do has consequences and sends ripple effects (apparently for eons) within the entire community.

Personally, I have had enough of this topic. There was a problem. A fair solution was found. Get on with your life already.

Or let us keep what we got, since we bought it fair and square and you move on with your life already. I can play that game too.

angelpaladin.7921:

Alukah.2063:

Not sure if bold and caps will help here, and sorry if it breaks any rules.

IF YOU USED THE NEW FLAMEKISSED SET ON AN ALREADY TRANSMUTED ITEM, YOU WONT LOSE THE PREVIOUS SKIN, IT WILL BE REFUNDED THROUGH A CUSTOMER SUPPORT TICKET

And for those who spent gems “for the sole purpose of buying this skin” yes you are at loss even though you will be refunded the gems, you are a minority and they have to please the majority if they want to fix this issue, specially when the only fix you want is to keep the armor unchanged, and that simply won’t happen.

I think this is /thread guys this pretty much throws 99.99% of people complaints about losing the armor away. As far as spending the money Anet is giving you what you promised you 800 gem’s they made no other promises.

It’s not /thread. You said roll back characters? A, no that wont happen because of other progression that’d mess with. Will people get old skins back? Sure. But that doesn’t change the fact of the bait and switch that will ruin peoples’ trust in the gem store, people who spend real money versus the people crying over some ingame currencies they feel “cheated out on” (NOT EVEN LOST, ITS STILL THERE, YOU JUST DON’T FEEL AS “COOL” ANYMORE), this whole thing is an absolute joke. People complained because they don’t FEEL COOL ENOUGH anymore so people who support anet and spent real money get the short end of the stick? You REALLY think that’s okay and the better option?

People who say a lot of these AI builds like MM are easy have never played one, especially in high tier. The bad DEFINITELY outweighs the bad, and the idea isn’t a burst build its a control build allowing them to get damage in. It requires a bit of skill to learn to fight them but they’re not easy to play nor OP.

(Spirit rangers are a bit more straight forward/easy to play but they’re not even an AI build. They’re a support build with entities that buff and don’t even attack so that argument is absolutely silly. I know this and I don’t even freaking play Spirit ranger. And you’re not getting a ton of body blocks from spirits, don’t even try to pretend you are. Most weapons cleave, if you’re hitting the pets and not the ranger its because the pet was in the way and you just missed the ranger. If anything, that’s a downside of the ranger’s build, not a bonus…)

I want those who got it to keep it. I’m human, not THAT many people bought it, its not that big of a deal that some other race gets to wear a reskinned version of the oh-so-precious human cultural (seriously?), people spent MONEY on this, and its a very bad and untrusty move for ANet to take what they let us buy. Let us keep ours, reskin it and just let it go, but don’t screw over those who paid for it.

Yep… :/ That’s what irritates me the most… One of the three looks good, its the one that goes…

He said virtue of resolve… How are you still comparing all these classes heals to guardian’s SECOND heal? o.O Virtue of resolve is the F2 button…

Fungalfoot.7213:

Because it would be completely unfair to the rest of the playerbase to create a super exclusive skin for those who managed to nab it before they pulled it.

I don’t agree with its removal but this solution would just result in another kittenstorm.

Not really, stuff like this happens all the time. (Like the guy in WoW who kept the Legendary necklace that was mistakenly obtained). Ruining people’s fun over other peoples’ tantrums is bad. We PAID for it, the people against it aren’t PAYING them to change it. ANet messed up and people who paid for it shouldn’t suffer, and the T3 owners can suck it up and deal with just a few hundred people who had time to buy it, but since they bought it they should get to keep it, BUT prevent more buying of it because of the heat. That IS the most fair, and I’m sorry some people didn’t get to get it in time, but really there was nothing wrong with it in the first place. (I play human.)

the classes work differently, and what you quoted is a passive not taking up a healing slot. Guardian is in no way lacking in defense… That’s all I’m saying. I think you’re reading into it too much and comparing a passive regen to a heal, not a fair comparison.

Probably because that doesn’t take up a healing spot, they still get a real heal and have loads of blocks, access to protection, regen etc. Resolve is a “boon” no one else has access to unless the guardian has a trait to share it, so that sounds pretty spot on. The only thing that really tweaks my views on this is Adrenal Health, but that’s not 100% uptime.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Really not sure why they continue listening to the self-obsessed vocal minority which has been running this game into the ground since day one. These people don’t care about the health of the game, they only care about having things other people can’t get. At some point you have to question if keeping this audience is worth it.

Oh my god, EXACTLY. These people will stop the fun progression of this game due to their ego and pride, that’s what I’ve been trying to say all along.

Relentless.7023:

Another backstab thread? Why?

Hate to say it, but there are deep seeded l2p issues if backstab is ganking you that badly.

While this is true, it does need to break stealth on block/evade/etc. I mean what’s the point in countering it if they just do it again. :P Not saying I find them OP but cmon, people who say it doesn’t have a counter does have SOME point to be made if skillyfully dodging a STEALTH attack allows them to just try again :P

Soulmyr.8094:

ronpierce.2760:

Soulmyr.8094:

Jaymee.1560:

Okay, it’s based off a T3 Racial armor. Big deal, lol… I think the flames compliment the armor nicely. but, oh, who am I kidding….? someone spent 120 gold of fake money, something that doesn’t truly exist and now they are outted imaginary money? Really? Just because the Flamekissed, in essence, is NOT exclusive? It’s because of that, me and others may be penalized someone else’s dislike of the concept, even though WE knowingly bought it cause we loved it.

Oh yes, that’s real fair.

And where do you think those 120g plus transmutation come from? You find it reasonable people spend hours to gather that amount of gold only to be presented by pretty much identical set that would cost less than half as much time or gold?

That stuff has been in the game for over a year. 120g is NOT hard to make (And I’m a PvPer!). This whole thing reminds me of the WoW thing where they took Flying price and Dual specs both from 1000g and lowered them to 250g and 10g respectively. People wanted refunds, guess what, they didn’t get it. Prestige wears off, you paid for the time you had it while others didn’t. And even if people buy the fiery stuff, it’s still not what you own! The prestige is still there! People could even pay to buy cultural, its not that cool/hard to get…. The game needs to progress/add more cool stuff but if we complain every time they try just because our pride and ego so much fun/cool stuff will be cut from the game. You should be happy there are more options. Reskins in this game are cool cause they’re a different way to look at current armor (unlike wow where it was literally just a different color).

People didn’t get refunded for the 2,000 extra gold (a lot at the time) they spent on those things, but it was time to move on, and they essentially paid for having those things years in advance for people who couldn’t afford it before. And this is something that effected game play, not just pride in wears!

I’m not even going to comment on irrelevant WoW related stuff but why do you assume everyone got T3 from game release? Someone probably bought it a day before the patch. How do you think they feel?

Some people bought flying/dual specs the day(s) before the prices dropped too. Why are you having a hard time understanding that this is a two road thing… Also; flying and dual specs weren’t even available from the start of WoW, so there was even less time of frame for people who spent way more than they needed to (on a relative scale). How do you think those people felt? Its a part of a game growing up. Its not even the same set.

silentnight warrior.2714:

In this forums every profession is OP… except thief. Thief is the most balanced class in this game.

And ele is worse than having an afk player, don’t forget that :P #forumlogic

Mimizu.7340:

i thought this thread was for people posting their flame-kissed screenshots?

i was looking forward to seeing a memorial thread, but you guys are turning it into just another flame-kissed drama thread.

Correction: The people who already won are still telling us we were wrong for wanting it, thus we defend ourselves. Kinda wish all the people who got their way would just stop posting now because the damage has been done.

Soulmyr.8094:

Jaymee.1560:

Okay, it’s based off a T3 Racial armor. Big deal, lol… I think the flames compliment the armor nicely. but, oh, who am I kidding….? someone spent 120 gold of fake money, something that doesn’t truly exist and now they are outted imaginary money? Really? Just because the Flamekissed, in essence, is NOT exclusive? It’s because of that, me and others may be penalized someone else’s dislike of the concept, even though WE knowingly bought it cause we loved it.

Oh yes, that’s real fair.

And where do you think those 120g plus transmutation come from? You find it reasonable people spend hours to gather that amount of gold only to be presented by pretty much identical set that would cost less than half as much time or gold?

That stuff has been in the game for over a year. 120g is NOT hard to make (And I’m a PvPer!). This whole thing reminds me of the WoW thing where they took Flying price and Dual specs both from 1000g and lowered them to 250g and 10g respectively. People wanted refunds, guess what, they didn’t get it. Prestige wears off, you paid for the time you had it while others didn’t. And even if people buy the fiery stuff, it’s still not what you own! The prestige is still there! People could even pay to buy cultural, its not that cool/hard to get…. The game needs to progress/add more cool stuff but if we complain every time they try just because our pride and ego so much fun/cool stuff will be cut from the game. You should be happy there are more options. Reskins in this game are cool cause they’re a different way to look at current armor (unlike wow where it was literally just a different color).

People didn’t get refunded for the 2,000 extra gold (a lot at the time) they spent on those things, but it was time to move on, and they essentially paid for having those things years in advance for people who couldn’t afford it before. And this is something that effected game play, not just pride in wears!

Zalman.8719:

Didn’t read through every comment. BUT! If it’s selfish that we “cry” for our cultural set then so be it. Give it back and make every cultural available to everyone. We’ll be fine then.

Sometimes time of owning something and having prestige in its prime is the reward. Prime example is WoW originally had Flying costing 1,000 gold and Dual Specs at 1000 gold. Later the next expansions it’s now something like 250g for flying and 10g for dual specs. (And that actually effects the gameplay!)

Games develop and things change. It’s not like they made the real armor cheaper and buyable (Btw even the current is buyable from real cast it just costs 2x as much), but people don’t all like flames, and you already know the prestige won’t be the same as the original. That doesn’t mean the game can’t progress to be fun and introduce new stuff, sometimes people take a hit that doesn’t seem “fair” right off but its part of the game moving on. If we continue down this road of “they released something that looks cooler than me so I’ll cry about it”, this game will literally not progress. We’d have already been at the end game and may as well quit because the “pro” players who spent friggen 120g (rollseyes) has the full sayso of what can and cannot be implemented in the game or they’re throw a fit. I don’t mean to be rude but please heed my warning. You’re attitudes will ruin any fun and progressive additions to the game.

FYI no one in WoW has EVER gotten a refund due to prices lowering. You just take it as, cool my next alt will be less expensive and move on… They added a perfectly beautiful set here and people truly enjoyed it, and that’s taken away due to a sense of pride. Think about it.

Kaon.7192:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Stx.4857:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

but no one was complaining about healing signet’s “passive play” previously when the health regenerated was about 200+ per second.

This is relevant because…. ?

because healing signet was too weak previously, no one bothered.
and now it is better, a lot people suddenly has a lot of things to say about it.

a warrior is suppose to be able to take a lot of damage before he goes down.
the passive health regeneration from healing signet achieves that.

No one complained before because the passive play that HS provided had an appropriately lower reward than healing skills that require active use.

The problem with it now is that HS has one of the highest healing outputs in the game, and in turn makes passive play more rewarding than active play.

That’s really not how the passive is supposed to be see. It’s supposed to be seen as sustain versus burst, not have crappy healing because of risk versus reward. (FYI I don’t play warrior). This risk versus reward argument stuff literally screams of “make the game imbalanced, I don’t want x to be viable”, which is terrible. Its not risk versus reward, its sustain versus burst. Healing signet is cruddy versus burst and that’s the whole idea behind it. Is the heal maybe a little over the top due to Adrenal health? Sure, but stop trying to make it useless because you don’t understand the concept of it.