Guild Wars 2

I spent some money last night adding siege pieces to SH in the TC borderlands (above the steps and behind with the portal doorway), hopefully in tactical places. I had to go to sleep at some point, but I hope those siege came in handy and there were actually people there to man them after I left. These were put there to prevent the enemy from holding those positions for any length of time. I’m with Floxxx, I don’t want to talk about spawn camping anymore. I’m trying to come up with tactics to prevent whatever it is though.

SoR is no doubt the most organized force we have met, and this includes when we faced HoD during the 24 hour matches. I may have issues with certain game mechanics right now, but in no way should my previous statements detract from their victory this week. Thank you for valuable lessons. We learned how to hold DE in TC BL against insurmountable forces. We faced a golem parade and did pretty good. I hope we meet again and good luck to you after reset.

@Revenant – it has never been like this. We have always been able to score a lot more points than this, even when BG dominated us. We had good captures, supply, you name it. The difference is all the transfers to SoR and the Halloween event. Between the two, our band of merry misfits has its hands full. Wait till the reset Friday for some real fun.

I don’t think its necessary to cut ET or TC down. There is a combination of things that has caused the situation we see tonight. Part skill from SoR commanders (they deserve credit), part broken system with transfers, and a good part orb boons, and finally poor organization and communication from our team (TC). We have a lot of work to do to be considered tier 2, and should likely remain in tier 3 until we get better. Fortunately, we don’t transfer off to better situations.

Well after the display I witnessed from some of my TCers tonight, I think SoR won this match in more ways than one. They are all standing around the spawn. They claim they would rather taunt them at spawn than do something. There is more of them standing here than there are enemies in front of them. Looks to me like they got the fight beat out of them.

Yeah, it was done through the game interface by about 50 people (reported this guy). At this point, it doesn’t look like they do anything about these type of people though. Truly, we know it isn’t your whole server. We did mention which guild it was above as well. Rpgtabbycat is correct that it gives the server and specifically the guild doing this (more than one captured in the screenie) a but rep. I’m not seeing a lot of the normal faces I see each week. Especially the commanders from TC. I guess they decided to get some money in preparation and hope for a better match next week.

What’s up with glitching our vendors in TC BL Citadel? What was the purpose behind that? You keep this stuff up and even we won’t come out and play.

I think you misunderstood, I don’t want you out of the game. I was trying to convince you to stay. I thought you folks were leaving.

To all WM: I’ve never played against you, but I wish you the best of luck outside GW2 in other games. I understand why you are leaving. On the flip side, ANet is making a change to server transfers on November 1. Perhaps changes to exploits and hacking will come soon after?

I think our soldiers are ready to follow and execute. We TC’ers need to practice certain tactics and maneuvers, but the biggest improvement will come from the commanders themselves. This is in no way saying they aren’t fantastic individuals. They are. On the other hand, I see things that they need to improve (and telling me to go do it when I suggest them isn’t cutting it – I’m not the commander):

1. Last Friday we had 5 or 6 commanders on TC BL at the start of the reset. Many of them I’d never seen before. No problem there for me at all – if you want to command then do it. The problem was that the other “known” commanders seem to think everyone should shut off their commander badge except them. It was discouraging because many folks did not know who to follow or what orders to take and we were badly fractured and lost valuable time we should have been organizing proper opening moves with. I do not blame either side for this, I understand why the commanders wanted the other commanders to stand down.

The problem with it is: we need these other commanders. We should have more than one commander on the field. On every field. Each with his own goals and those goals should be made known to the rest of the soldiers. Maybe a General that can work with those commanders and organize teams. Until you do this, you will not be effective against real organization like shown to us by SoR this week (or even BG for that matter a couple weeks ago).

Commanders, form a Core or Club and work together – and no not just with the ones you like or that support you. ALL of them. Bring them up to the table and find out what everyone’s strengths and weaknesses are and assign them to things. For what it’s worth, if you think TC players are only capable of following one leader at a time on each map then you are sadly mistaken and are failing us as commanders.

2. Those of us thinkers that have opinions about what commanders do and think we should tell them (I’ve done it before), we should always keep it in tells to the commanders and never speak in team or map chat to complain or chastise the commander(s). On the flip side, commanders – we understand you are in charge and what you say goes, but a good commander adapts especially with good ideas. I always say that a man who doesn’t want to hear opinions should keep his own mouth shut.

3. Don’t forget that this is about fun. Sure we can organize better and the above two ideas may help if people are willing to work at it, but in the end we should never forget we are a unique community of RPers and Non-RPers. Commanders should remain patient and remember they chose to do this job. If they don’t want to do it, or have a problem with people expressing their opinions to help, they should take the tag off and let folks with more leadership skills step up. This isn’t about their own personal power trip or grandstanding their own guild and friends.

Work together for a free and fun Toast. My new motto. Thanks to all the commanders who show up day in and day out to help all of us. /salute

I may have complained about spawn camping, and hidden thieves on capture points in this thread (for which I already apologized for), but in no way do I think SoR hacked orbs this week, or even cheated in any way. Most good thieves are abusing the stealth mechanic right now, our thieves included.

In fact, from what I’ve seen this week, SoR is playing with a lot more organization than BG was when we lost to them. Even though we lost to BG, we kept our score higher and our group tactics were much more effective against them. SoR has a much better response time than BG did and their multi-group organization isn’t just a zerg. Their thieves are top notch and in groups deadly as hell. Their mesmers are a pain in the kitten and have taught us a lot this week. If anything, when we lose this week we go into next match better than before.

So no matter what I’ve said in this thread, in the end I’ve gained a lot of respect for SoR. I would like to see TC have more organization in WvW, but also not at the expense of our community/social aspect. I don’t think we will ever be tier 1 or even 2 material, but that isn’t a bad thing. You can always expect a good fight from us, even with naysayers like Twinbros coming and saying different. The proof is there, even with the score, we show up every night and do the best we can.

The people who know me in the game know I’m a pretty laid back person, but I’m super competitive. I’m going to improve my presence from this day forward on these boards. Frankly, I’m totally devoted to TC. These people are my friends. The server is my home. You couldn’t pay me to leave.

GG this week, SoR, and good luck next week.

EDIT: P.S. I do agree with what Commander Floxxx said above. My complaints about spawn camping are really more directed at a select few who put siege equipment in places where its just bad form. I’m not blaming SoR, and I certainly know we had some of our players doing it last week. I think its just bad sportsmanship when you are already pounding an enemy into the dirt. On the flip side, some of you folks are treating this like a real war and I get that. I’m not one of the people that continue going out the same entrance and dying over and over. You can ask some of the people in this thread in fact. I play as Colbane (Guardian), Hern (Thief), or Sceptus (Engineer) most the time.

@Shaojack – That I believe, because I haven’t see you folks in any numbers since then either. I guess its good for all the folks that want their holiday stuff. I got mine too! I’ve likely played too much WvW this weekend though, just trying to put a dent in things. Not an easy task.

@MemphiZ you folks are already going to win. Don’t you think it would be more wise if you practiced for an actual match with actual competition? Practicing holding our spawn points seems like a bad idea. If you get matched up in a good fight, you won’t be doing it. Hey, keep at it though. I’m actually hoping BG or SoS tear you folks up, and that’s saying something.

@mulch and yet AN says it is spawn camping and they are going to make some changes. It really doesn’t matter. You folks can justify it up and down, but its the same thing and something they didn’t consider. Moving on… Good fights in TC BL tonight.

Seriously, I think we have already determined your win at all costs, lose and I quit attitude doesn’t sit well with the rest of us Twinbros.

I don’t really care how you justify it, I find it deplorable. I mean, its not like a close fight or anything. If there was some chance our team could cause an upset I guess I could see your point. Otherwise, call it tactics as much as you want, its still kitten play. Don’t complain about being bored either.

@monmon

No I’ve been playing GW2 since BWE2 and I didn’t realize there were other exits. /sarcasm.

I never stay to get farmed, but that won’t stop me calling out bad players who do this. Even on my own team, as I did last week. I won’t stick around either way. shrug

SoR spawn camping with the best of them!

And if my earlier posts came off the wrong way, it was mostly whining about the state of the game – which is fubar. I don’t hold it against your server at all. So apologies to the rest of SoR.

Finally, I can also move past the RUN thing considering the person who caused all the hassle on our server before he split to SoS isn’t even there anymore and I actually liked quite a few of the others. Still, we have fought you guys like four times now on other servers. I’m not thinking others from TC will be as forgiving as Sharpclaw (whom I have a healthy respect for) and I.

See you on the battlefield tomorrow. I’m toast, and must sleep.

Twinbros is not even close to the attitude most of us have. I’m sure every server has people that give up. He’s one of ours. On average though, we just don’t give up.

Mara.5372:

sceptus.9415:

Mara.5372:

Cloud.7613:

When RUN loses again with SoR they’ll end up on BG anyway, move along.

Well, we lost to SoS last week, and they’re still here along with all the other guilds who recently transferred on to SoR.. and they work with the other guilds on SoR..Who cares where they came from? Can we make this thread about the match up now?

Not much of a match up, Mara. We will keep fighting, you can count on that, but this whole system is broken.

Just stay motivated, I’m sure if anything we can all learn new stuff out of this match up as we have been each time we fight new servers. We learned so much from SoS last week.

If there is anything TC won’t do is give up. If it seems that way because of the score, then it is only the result of a completely broken tier system. We are all here with bells on.

Mara.5372:

Cloud.7613:

When RUN loses again with SoR they’ll end up on BG anyway, move along.

Well, we lost to SoS last week, and they’re still here along with all the other guilds who recently transferred on to SoR.. and they work with the other guilds on SoR..Who cares where they came from? Can we make this thread about the match up now?

Not much of a match up, Mara. We will keep fighting, you can count on that, but this whole system is broken.

Mikitten058:

haha Peetee I have to agree..it’ll be locked before page 3…locked again, because people crying and bantering each other, rather then doing something productive and taking a video or just reporting to Anet so Anet can investigate.

Common sense isn’t so common.

As for the match. ET I don’t know where you all are, but come play, get off the PvE maps.

TC, <3 y’all. You’re fighting over and over, win or lose, and are sitll fighting back. I hope this continues and TC doesn’t give up. It’d make a super boring match. (Loved the stand off on SoR BL for like what 3-4 hours between northern and southern parts of the map.)

1 tip, if you want to take it or not, running in large groups is good, however if you dont have good communication or fast reactions, it can also be a downfall.

Also, hats off to whoever was part of the 3-5man thief group from TC snipping dolyaks. :P

Cheers to you too. Thanks for the competitive but honorable spirit.

Mara.5372:

Not looking like much fun.. Hope that changes.

Oh crap. Is this the same Mara everybody is cheering on in the commander thread? gulp Well we are sorry we aren’t much of a challenge for you folks, but don’t worry, we will at least SHOW UP.

I digress, let’s move on.

Sweetevil.9208:

This is TC stacking in the middle of the lords keep as SoR runs in and hits the roof above the Lord to AoE these TC people bunched up perfectly in the Lord’s room.

They did not move from their post as there were being AoE’d down.

Whats your point? Stacking cleared several waves of defenders… For 20 minutes. Perhaps you should tell us about those people “not in view.”

Anyhow, it doesn’t really matter now does it? Maybe you should take your own advice? ;/

Sweetevil.9208:

@sceptus

I actually transferred from Yaks to SoR and joined Run about a week ago.
Love them they are a great bunch of people.
Sorry to disappoint you I don’t server jump to find the win.

I’m not even going to say anything… Anyhow, looks like we DO know how to cap a keep.

@Sweetevil – how many times did you transfer to get in this one?

You mean you can hold the garrison when no one else is visible for over 2 minutes? You didn’t AOE us until your zerg arrived. Let’s say you did it legit – this doesn’t change the fact that
the game is broken in many ways. It doesn’t really matter, we have it this time.

@Sweetevil – it took you 20 minutes before you even scratched us. This was after your golems showed up and were promptly destroyed. Good fight though. Seriously, I don’t blame you folks for the bugs in this game.

I still don’t like RUN. Bunch of chumps if you ask me.

Love killing golems. Nice battle in TC garrison. It goes to show you how broken this game is. Our stacking, and SoR’s exploiting the keep so we couldn’t cap. Culling, pets, and whatever else is wrong with this game. Anyhow, I lost track of how many we killed in our stack, but the guy SoR laughing at us after the battle was classic.

Oh and its funny to see RUN again. Did the SoS folks get sour on you too? I kind of pity you folks on SoR. I think this is their fourth or fifth move. I’ll be cackling in glee every time I see one of your corpses.

Had fun tonight in FA BL. Great to see Pain Train out there against us. I was the big guardian from TC with the 2H hammer/staff, Colbane. Respect to all of you. Wish the best for FA in their next round.

On TC it’s Odinzu or Jadon. There is also a guy I respect named Aiden. He doesn’t have Odinzu’s tactical brilliance, or Jadon’ charisma, but he has balls. He gets things done, even if you do get a little bloody in the process.

I refuse to participate in spawn camping of any kind. I just go elsewhere.

@Smokee – The same could be said for you. Taken from my pal Unfortunately above. Seriously though, you look worse than me just for getting mad about my post. Unless you are one of the bad players that transferred to BG.

@Unfortunately – well played sir! Right now it looks like we are zerging you guys the same way. Until they fix these transfers it won’t stop. Sad, because your server has some great players and you deserve an even fight.

I’m anxious to see how the tier 1 match works out next week. Will it be won in the first hour? Until they get server transfers figured out, I don’t think it really matters who claims they are the best. I’m just not sure why people even bother stacking a server. The result seems like a lot less fun to me. In many ways.

Please join BG. We need you. Ignore this thread.

Oh wait a minute! I’m from TC! We fought these guys in the previous match and they aren’t all that. Skill-wise, we would mow them down over and over. The only reason we lost so badly is because for every BG zergling we killed, two more zerglings showed up in the next batch. It was a simple game of numbers. They had them and we didn’t. I don’t hate them though. We learned a lot about how to deal with huge numbers of enemies.

Salute to original BG members before the server transfers. You guys rocked. Rest of you? Not so much.

Galrukh.6532:

sceptus.9415:

micah.9704:

wow, so i was in garrison (fa) i alt-tabbed long enough to post the last message.
no swords on garrison at all, before i alt-tabbed.

after posting i alt-tab back in and im dead in garrison courtyard and TC now owns it.

everyone in chat saying it just instantly flipped with no swords ever appearing.

i was alt-tabbed less than 3 minutes and garrison went from being clear to changed possession.

No defenses except a few people were in garrison.
We had 3 golems.
We had 2 rams.

I know we took it quickly but we have been planning it for hours.

I totally understand the frustration, especially about the night crew each server has. TC took a beating last week but we also learned a lot from BG.

Good thing you learned to recruit night time players.
Its natural that they band together on a few servers but that means that those servers have such a huge advantage that its hardly worth playing.

They need to do something about it or WvW will die pretty quick and no one wants that. Its not fun losing big time because of this but its not fun winning because of it either since it means you have no WvW for 5 days of the week.

I agree with everything you said. You won’t get an argument from me. I want a clean, fair fight. I refuse to spawn camp too. I’m doing other things far from those spots. I’m really sorry this is happening to you guys at FA. All of you seem to be a good bunch. Not so sure about the evil DB folks though. I kid I kid. I think we have some folks eager for some payback after DB spanked us a few weeks ago. The sad thing is, DB isn’t the same server it was… DUE TO LOUSY TRANSFERS.

Arg! We were seen! Fail golem group.

You will run into this type of thing from TC players now and then. Winning is one thing, being complete jerks about it is another. We would rather those type of people play elsewhere.

micah.9704:

that was me you /bowed /kneeled to at dawns

You are an excellent player and I wanted to honor you.

micah.9704:

guess ill think twice before going afk for 5 minutes in a clear keep again.

It happens to all of us my friend. Have a good one and see you on the field.

micah.9704:

wow, so i was in garrison (fa) i alt-tabbed long enough to post the last message.
no swords on garrison at all, before i alt-tabbed.

after posting i alt-tab back in and im dead in garrison courtyard and TC now owns it.

everyone in chat saying it just instantly flipped with no swords ever appearing.

i was alt-tabbed less than 3 minutes and garrison went from being clear to changed possession.

No defenses except a few people were in garrison.
We had 3 golems.
We had 2 rams.

I know we took it quickly but we have been planning it for hours.

I totally understand the frustration, especially about the night crew each server has. TC took a beating last week but we also learned a lot from BG.

Last week they told us they moved because they wanted more competition, or the people on BG asked them to, and finally they told us they were trying to balance the servers. All they did was totally break the tiers all by themselves.

Raven you are seriously delusional. You think your server was this dominating without the server transfers? Quit making excuses! BG was a kitten good server before the transfers, and the transfers just made it a juggernaut. Don’t make excuses for it because you like to win. Read the post they just made – pretty soon they will even this system out and you won’t have to hear this anymore.

To the folks playing against BG this week – welcome to our world last week. I truly feel your pain. What makes it worse are the egotistical folks who post from BG all week. Most of them didn’t even start there like proud Raven did. Wait until they start complaining about being bored spawn camping and bragging that there are no queues and still pwning you. Yeah fun times. This week’s matchup is so much better for us. Seems like a real three way fight.

We noticed at a certain time every night, NA, I think at the end of prime time or even later, BG’s evening zerg shows up for its feeding. At this point you can count on endless waves of enemies. You can wipe them out over and over, and each time a new set appears. Eventually, they wear you down and setup siege outside your spawn. Fun times.

klineshrike.9034:

sceptus.9415:

klineshrike.9034:

Basically for us on FA, if we want a fun an engaging matchup next week we are going to either need to pull much closer to TC or outright surpass them in points to keep them below SOR and put them in Tier 4 with us. SOR vs FA vs DB will be a horrible match, but TC vs FA vs DB will be awesome matchup.

So no offense to the guys at TC, but for the sake of next weeks matchup, we really need to overcome you tonight.

Part of me wants to see you do that because your reasoning is sound. Trust me, if you don’t surpass us tonight the results for us next week are even worse than yours. On the other hand, I’m not sure its in us to just give it to you. It will be a fight, a hard fought one, but I am rooting for you (and us indirectly) to surpass us.

I wouldn’t expect you to give it to us anyway. This is more of a rallying cry for FA. However, it would be both epic of you and lucritive as well to assist us together in attempting to take down BG tonight and allowing us to take over the points toward this goal.

However like I said, this is for FA to rise up. Normally it all doesn’t matter much and the most important thing is each fight and giving it your all. But tonight we can make a difference, a meaningful impact. Victory has a tangable benefit. So I can only hope we can show up tonight and bring it to show that when its necessary we can hang. Tonight is the night to do it.

We actually did that last night, although some of the FA folks were taking supply camps behind us we needed to press the bay. I know others from FA were not killing or taking things. We’ll see how it goes tonight, but I don’t think anyone on TC has a problem blacking BG’s eye right now.

klineshrike.9034:

Basically for us on FA, if we want a fun an engaging matchup next week we are going to either need to pull much closer to TC or outright surpass them in points to keep them below SOR and put them in Tier 4 with us. SOR vs FA vs DB will be a horrible match, but TC vs FA vs DB will be awesome matchup.

So no offense to the guys at TC, but for the sake of next weeks matchup, we really need to overcome you tonight.

Part of me wants to see you do that because your reasoning is sound. Trust me, if you don’t surpass us tonight the results for us next week are even worse than yours. On the other hand, I’m not sure its in us to just give it to you. It will be a fight, a hard fought one, but I am rooting for you (and us indirectly) to surpass us.

Commander Floxxx, you aren’t allowed to take ANY time off. Sir.

Martin.1906:

I’m sure Metalripper.5406 would still be on the battlefield if his team were losing like TC and FA, so cut him some slack…

Why? He doesn’t deserve slack coming in here with that attitude. We’ve been fighting our kitten off all week on TC, doing the best we can in a bad situation. Then we have people like this posting. You expect us to be friendly?

I don’t think anyone has a problem with transfers. They have a problem with free transfers every 24 hours. Transfers should cost real money and be on at least a 2 week cooldown.