Guild Wars 2

Piken-Platz ist GILDENZERG!

snowaugar.1823:

Everyone cried to have it and now that they have it they’re crying when they change it again they will cry…. welcome to the infinite q.q cycle

Nonsense – most people wanted one up / one down, or random where it only shuffles one or two tiers around. Not this mess of moving some servers up against opponents 3 – 4 tiers higher.

Cradorell.3941:

T7 EU ruins of surmia fighting in T5 and playing well!

Eh? Surmia is not fighting T5 servers, you’re just all in T5 due to the random matchup. Currently you’re fighting the two weakest servers from last weeks tier 6 and you’re 3rd, which as server who finished 1st in tier 7 last week is to be expected..

Seriously, why does Riverside avoid player vs player combat so much? It was bizarre seeing them run every time. Finally caught some of them in open and server shuts down.

I’ve vented enough anger at anet making a complete mess, time for fighting.

Devon please can you fix the EU matchup – how did Gunnars end up against Piken and Riverside? Jon Peters made clear this sort of thing wasn’t going to happen, and the maths had it at less than 0.3%.

Dayra.7405:

!! Maybe this can be the accidental start into the genius brand new WvW !!

Why always the same match on your 4 maps?
Why not (intended !) 4 different matches on your different maps!
You can choose your difficulty by choosing the map, and hey
when you are underpopulated: leave the most difficult map(s) out and play on the easier ones!

Brilliant

It looks to me like they’ve screwed up – used the raw data of the first random matchup to generate a new one. It was made clear by Jon Peters we wouldn’t get matchups of more than a one or two tiers difference, not 4 tiers :s

Hickeroar is just a /facepalm. Anyone with a clue can see how borked this is.

This must be bugged still…

Gunnars against Piken and Riverside, this must be bugged :S

Shame, killed so many Dzag in gunnars bl after reset

Murderous Clown.9723:

Can people please stop banging on about the WULD system. It guaruntees uneven matchups every other week.

Every system has uneven matchups, unless active wvw populations are capped to equal numbers at all times. WULD (silly acronym btw when it’s the universal form of team sport promotion/relegation across the world) takes the edge off the unevenness as servers experience winning and losing more equally.

WULD also better takes into account fluctations in server population, which is a key part of WVW. Some tiers have been dragged into weeks of unbalanced matchups due to the lack of immediate promotion/relegation.

Certainly oneup/onedown will be a lot more balanced than random as well, as Random is liable to pitch in bigger mismatches. First and second tier 4 vs the bottom tier 6 for example. In WULD every matchup at least matches those coming up from lower tier as winners vs higher tier losers.

Thanks for the comms – but again this begs the question why you do not just implement one up and one down in each tier. That leads to fluid matchups and is far more balanced than random or glicko. Plus a lot easier to implement on the technical side and for players to understand. It’s also how pretty much every team sport in the world handles promotion/relegation (for good reason).

Mizu.9387:

Tier 1 much?
Server event or not, we are not gonna partake in it.
If this is how you want to win, by all means. PRXM, Cry Havoc, FURY, MARA, NOX, very dissapointed that serious guilds intentionally reduces the game to this.

How dare people play for fun on one night, especially in srs business tier 7

I feel sorry for RoS that they don’t have community nights like that, no wonder players keep quitting.

Cradorell.3941:

ultimatly it takes your SERVER to kill us! so GG

It was a pug group of mostly alts running special event, I’d maybe not mention getting wiped by them, pretty embarrassing

Some of these posts remind me of the RoS tears last week. 2v1 is natural consequence of 3way battles and will only get worse with random matchup disparities. GH as deserved winners last week (suck it up Ilyest and your fellow RoS crybabies) should get more focus this week.

This matchup is irrelevant now as tiers are no longer going to be of consequence, when it’s Gandara and Drakkar Lake in the same matchup a 2v1 at this level will look way easier, lol.

Xsorus.2507:

JonPeters.5630:

timidobserver.7925:

I have a couple of serious questions.
1. Did the person that came up with the math for this graduate from high school.
2. To prove it, please upload a copy of your high school diploma.

How about just a copy of their resume. I don’t see his high school experience on there. Hopefully the other stuff can count as relevant experience for your assessment.

http://www.glicko.net/cv.html

You realize when this system fails, which it probably will….You just made a new Meme for the internet right?

What’s particularly embarrassing is there is absolutely nothing in Glicko’s CV about team sport analysis (which is at least remotely comparable to Server vs Server) let alone specifically on multiplayer video games. If Glicko did research in this field, he sure as heck wouldn’t be trying to shoehorn his single player vs single player Chess system into it.

“How will Ruins of Surmia fare against Gandara? Your guess is as good as mine is.”

Have Anet completely lost their marbles?

As current morning tick shows, RoS only scores points from pvdoor in the morning hours. Yet somehow this is fairplay and all above board to only attack when we have very few players online and to do it day after day. Yet somehow losing points when everyone is suffering disconnects is worse

The fact is Gunnars was going all out last night as score was less than 7k difference, disconnects was coincidental. Gunnars and Dzag have beaten RoS in primetime all week, and the only thing that has kept RoS from finishing rock bottom is morning caps. Mos Matchup score analysis for the week speaks for itself.

Amusing to see comments about fairplay from guilds on a server that relies on early morning pvdoor to amass points and begs opponents not to attack them. Also the DC’s and lag are affecting everybody, learn to adapt

Noss.4105:

zonderbon.5871:

What exactly are you referring to?

I think he’s referring to the hours after reset when both GH and DZ focused RoS.
How nice of him to see things in Surmia’s perspective

There’s a big difference between random focus, which in the case of reset was down to RoS simply being weak so every time you got pushed you crumbled, and a focus due to an arrangement between guilds on teamspeak to pvdoor.

One thing is for sure, RoS primetime is tier 8 standard at best, can’t cope with pressure at all.

Anyone who says ‘go spvp’ doesn’t understand how spvp works with conquest mode. Saying that still amazes me Anet gave up on GvG when it worked so well in GW1, and that a lot of people would rather spend their time doing it properly than running round maps.

Jonaz.4652:

Just play and enjoy the game. We finally have a decent, almost balanced matchup. Theres no reason for whining.

True, but this has been said by Gunnars players since page 1. It’s your mates from RioT you need to have a word with, as per above.

Well there are two great reasons for attacking RoS as priority:

1) Your trolling keyboard warriors over last few weeks.

2) Weakest server in peak hours now. Every time we attack we know we can take something, and even better take something and force you on defensive.

A good reset. I guess night/morning capping will disrupt scores but hopefully primetimes can be like this all week.

Glicko does need changing to something more reactive even if one up/one down is flawed. Saying that guilds like RiOT only have themselves to blame for transferring in to lower tier, and persuading others to do the same, without bothering to think of the consequences. You were also warned repeatedly afterwards about it, but seems this still didn’t sink in.

Learn to adapt. There was no reason for this guild to all cram up on supply point, they should have spread and from now on will be more aware of possibility of thief trapping. Also this is a mechanic which allows solo/small groups to harm big groups, something the game needs more of.

Yeah can’t expect GvGs from WSR and AS when they are fighting to stay out of tier 9. GvG’s for Gunnars will be next week in tier 7, glicko permitting.

I’m going to wait a couple of weeks and see where the Surmia guilds move to next!

Lelith.2916:

As for moving with my guild to a lower tier, well thanks but what does that do? Sure fixes our issue temporarily, but just moves it to someone else and affects other people, as well as that, there is such a thing as server loyalty, we started on Deso, we fought on Deso and we will stay on Deso, every member in my guild feels the same.

Big respect to you guys for this attitude and hope changes are made that entice you to come back to GW2.

Lower tiers is best – except when you get a big stack of wvw guilds piling into one server like Ruins of Surmia rather than spreading out amongst a tier. Even then it would be more than fine if GW2 actually had a coherent promotion/relegation system, instead it’s glicko which makes absolutely no sense at all, especially when you have an open transfer system of players. Glicko is for assessing the skill of single chess players over a long period of time, not for moving up and down tiered servers in an mmo.

Yeah how come WSR has so many people on 6-8am? People in Europe doing morning gaming, or do you have some Russians/Asian players?

Well to be fair, if you have full que on home bl during primetime that is enough numbers to defend garrison and also to have an even fight. The imbalance is when it’s full que on attackers and you’re stuck defending against 40-50 man melee trains with >10 people and no outmanned buff due to afk/bots/jumping puzzle.

Also it does rather justify attacking AS at that time, as otherwise that 20 on GH bl could easily have been a 60 if you had nobody to defend home bl against. Also worth pointing out that WSR bl got hit the hardest on reset night from two directions. Was a big group of AS taking Hills and also had a lot of GH guilds in there looking to take Bay and Garrison. I’m sure over course of week will even out.

WSR seem to have a lot of players in EB at certain times (particularly early morning), so not a surprise they would take SM at some point. Good on them for grouping up and taking a keep when they can, that’s what wvw is all about.

Hills with waypoint is a perfect platform to attack AS keep. AS also spent yesterday with a force of 20-30 pretty much all day at bluebriar building trebs over and over again to attack Bay. If those guys defended home bl then you had better chance of holding keep, also attacking encourages servers to attack back (must be lower defenders, push back attackers into defence mode).

Saying that, appreciate people should be able to do what they want and this matchup is fundamentally unbalanced.

You would be very welcome on GH, but good luck wherever you choose

Eclipse.1567:

As i said focusing Hill is ok strategy but do GH really need to get it, T3 and WP with mass arrowcarts and constant guild inside in an already won match up?

There is no guarantee Gunnars will move up on current score, and who knows whether Surmia bandwagon will even last the week as Mos Matchup indicates they have little chance of moving to tier 6.

Also even if that was the case, now that Hills is fully upgraded, you’re seriously suggesting a server should just abandon it? Is that honestly what you did in tier 9, or would do in tier 8?

I’m sure on reset Arborstone had WSR Hills for quite a while. It is only natural to go for Hills on the map when it’s on your spawn side. It’s the easiest keep in the game to defend for an attacker.

The difference is Gunnars didn’t invite guilds to transfer down to a bandwagon, us being in a tier 8 is a consequence of Surmia bandwagon pushing 1 server a week down a tier, otherwise we’d likely still be in tier 7 as we were for weeks before then. If we only wanted to farm tier 8 we would have moved down (or bandwagon transferred) long ago.

Nor has there been any condescending on forum about how this is a ‘learning experience’ and that you need to ‘adapt’ to facing far more numbers at all hours of the day in a game environment where numbers and coverage are 90% of the fight. All I see is sympathy and intent from Gunnars to move back up this week.

It is hardly Gunnars fault that Surmia turned into a ridiculous bandwagon and ruined tier7/tier8 balance. All anyone cares about on Gunnars is having fun fights and getting back to tier 7. Nobody is going to be ‘focused’.

alkalone.5798:

Well.
Maybe we will go to T6, maybe not.
Maybe GH will go to T8, maybe not.
But maybe we can make a deal.
Focus that boring deustche ! Let’s go to save you from T8, and let us going to T6.
Everyone will win !

Contact me in game if you want to

If GH went to tier 8 it would be for one week. Rather have a spot there than make any deal with a bandwagon, thanks :P

Looks like RoS definitely won’t move up to tier 6 this week (bloody glicko), but should happen next week unless the bandwagon falls apart. Give it two weeks and nobody will remember this matchup at all.

Sounds like FRS nervous about higher tiers, not surprising as coming up against same size defenders in the daytime killed Xaoc.

I find against players who don’t fully understand it the downed state is very strong. However experienced players anticipate the teleport and know how to spot real mesmer right after the port. They also anticipate the clone damage and don’t try to stomp or sit in close with low health. It’s still a very good downed state, but not sure it’s ‘overpowered’, unless you also feel Guardian, Thief, Ranger and Ele downed states are as well.

Ileyst if this was other way round you would be the biggest moaner on the forum.

Yeah lost EB garrison during connection issues, other server had more people still connected and rushed it. Not much that can be done.

great stuff Hyung

Well atm RoS miles off doing well enough to get to tier 6, RoF miles off doing well enough to push someone into tier 8. Although I suspect true imbalance will only show itself Sunday night onwards, when night-time /daycapping of RoS russians/americans will show itself, leading to primetime of wood vs fortified and fewer casual players to fight wvw guilds.

Jeddite.8620:

zerger cry about zerg and leave hight tier, because of zerg, to zerg the low tier.

This.

ChroNoS.6978:

Really impressed with how much more roam-friendly this is over upper tiers! Great small scale fights so far! Really loving it!

This tier was roam friendly and will be again soon, but only when bandwagon jumpers like yourself have moved on.

If you wanted roam and great small scale fights why on earth all go to the same server? Do you not understand that this will leave a lot of you not having anyone to fight? and that you will go shooting up the tiers so fast you will be right back meeting the blobs you were running from?