Guild Wars 2

Shatter takes marginally more effort than phantasms/PU, but hardly light years above. Sounds like people who don’t even main mesmer, or are terrrible.

CF build still uses shatters at key times. The best builds should always use core mechanic but add something on top like this, not rely solely it.

It’s hugely effective in teamfights if you spec that way, much more so than regular shatter now. Getting off a couple of dazes and a stun on a focussed target gets them downed fast. Dropping chaos storm on people trying to revive a downstate is another killer.

I’ve tended to use Helseth’s staff-GS combo, probably I should try sword-sword with Staff for something a bit more balanced between team and 1v1.

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Confusing suggestions with some shatter is Stronger than full shatter build. Anyone playing full shatter is outdated.

PU is great for killing people 1v1, for holding a point it’s mediocre – although not terrible if mesmer knows not to overuse the stealth. It’s easy to play, but not much easier than a lot of cheesy meta builds.

How is the system supposed to know about your personal relationships? Also not exactly fair on the opposition either to have to play 5-4. I play this game for good fights, not to steamroller teams that have a dude who keeps disconnecting.

Not sure if joking or you are genuinely kitten. Neither would surprise me.

You still get the occasional tool trying to use Glory rank. I had someone yesterday try to do that when I’m rank 36 and he was in mid 40s. No doubt one of those who farmed Skyhammer and want something to show for that wasted time /smh

What sort of time do you play? Gunnars is probably best choice, competitive in fights, stable around tier 5, decent community and not full.

Far Shivers maybe also decent, Surmia if you want to go lower down the tiers (but volatile population)

Romek.4201:

with this you make them happy cause they need canonfodder for their 5 e-sport teams

Played a team of players from top 20 and we did lose heavily, but it was still great fun and we got some kills and learnt a lot. It’s certainly not the norm to play esports level teams and not hard to be at least competitive.

You just sound like one of those moaners who gives up in first 30 seconds of match then sits in spawn insulting rest of team. If you don’t try, you will always suck.

An Ele blaming rest of team for loss.

I que in team arena with 1-2 others and it’s fine. Not going to threaten the top spots by any means, but have won a lot of good games and usually have to earn it. The quality of players and teamplay in yolo que is terrible in comparison.

Find it pretty kitten good in tpvp, passive healing and being able to pump out extra phantasm in key fights.

WvW roaming, not so much. Ether Feast still better in most builds.

It’s one of the best things of wvw, punishes dumb karma trains who rush on to next keep without securing what they took.

/dance works? If so that would at least make this bearable

Hmm happening very often for me now, may need proper test but I suspect phase retreat from hammer stun causes it.

I’ve had the exact same bug on several occasions. It’s only solved by either logging out and in, or if the effect gets reapplied. I’m also playing a mesmer, so not sure if connected to staff abilities.

They’re mostly all good, just depends on build/situation :p

In tpvp testing I have to say it’s very impressive Sensotix. I did make some minor tweaks, notably blink for decoy, however your build has all the core elements – mobility of portal + staff 2, condition pressure and the duellist + ether signet gives a burst option.

Conditions were an issue, although generally you can avoid most. I was tempted to go ether feast / menders but it’s not worth losing the burst option, regen and those shorter cooldown glamours.

I give this two thumbs up. Certainly as condi spec for tpvp, hard to see much better.

Right now you can buy wintersday gifts in the Mists with glory and tradepost them. Current rate is about 1 gold for 1k glory (roughly), so more than enough money to be made if you need it.

Certainly a lot less laborious than old method, which was dye crafting from pvp salvage (I still made good gold, got lucky with Abyss and Celestial as well as others).

They want you to buy gems with real money and convert to gold. Perhaps understandable given no sub and no announced expansion.

Tempted to say yes, but have to balance this against tournament having so few players queing at times.

So with new patch this build got some nice stuff (if it even needed it!). Mender’s Purity buffed to 2 conditions removed which is very nice. Also can choose to take the new heal for a big boost to phantasm burst.

Soyboy.3548:

Geeo.2154:

Anyone come up with anything good yet?

Have you no shame? You have to copy others’ builds?

No shame in that if someone is a new or casual player. Are you so bad you can’t beat players running similar build as you?

Standard shatter will still work and the most rewarding to master, although looks like nuking with phantasms got a big buff with this new heal and illusionary haste change.

Wild card is mantra mesmers, will be interesting to see how those trait changes work out.

BlackDevil.9268:

http://intothemists.com/guides/2110-hybrid_phantasm_or_we

I don’t spvp a lot, especially not on my mesmer (I got an awesome s/d ele for that), but this is my best shot on about what you want.

As things stand it’s not terrible in spvp, but Helseth’s shatter build is so much stronger for mesmer in mobility and team fights.

We’ll see how balance patch and new heal affects things though.

I think there is close approximation (but was bugged and may still be), however on spvp maps mobility is easily covered by portal (plus blink and about-face phase retreating), so Lyssa is better. The bigger wvw maps makes traveler or centaur better options, gives you greater ability to choose when and where to fight or retreat, gets you into fights and objectives quicker.

They are in the meta for tpvp mesmer for a reason, kitten good with mass invis for helping with condition meta plus full boons as well. However for WvW I would echo that mobility is better – traveler if you can afford or centaur.

Seen [Buka] quite a few times, decent players but certainly not ‘superior gameplay’.

There’s also nothing magically high skill about running shatter if you’re a genuinely experienced mesmer who has tried everything. It’s just a slightly twitchier build.

Asura has the best look, especially with afro.

I tried Charr in beta as they have great lore, but the running style was too annoying, bobbing up and down too much. Human is boring, Norn is just a big human, Sylvari = Legolas elf noobs.

What game mode are you playing? In 1v1 roaming/wvw duels it will always be hard to balance and the reality is condi and/ phantasm) are king there.

One thing I would say is runes of lyssa helps shatter mesmers a lot, pretty much essential in tpvp and makes shatter the best build there still. Although obviously in wvw losing the mobility from centaur/traveller would be too big a blow.

Mass invis stomp? Major waste of the elite when there is distortion or phase retreat + blink, or even portal stomping. It’s used by mesmers for the panic button condition cleanse.

As mentioned a few times, this rune has only become popular due to the condi meta and cc spam. Balance that and people will move on to other runes.

Fundamentally it’s a flaw of the game mode, conquest is more punishing towards lack of cooperation/strategy which is exacerbated by new players. Add to this small population, and there is the root cause. Adjusting the formula isn’t going to fix it, only new simpler game type such as deathmatch with grand objective (ie kill guild lord) combined with resurgence of playerbase.

Well I use them to make dyes. Although I think given the scarcity of arcane slivers, it was more profitable and a lot less hassle with the halloween stuff. I think as long as it’s rewarding, it’s harsh how much more profitable mindless pve can be.

Have to say when I do hotjoin I always go 8v8. I play 5v5 enough in tournament or solo. It’s fun going in and just having constant fights in an environment where result is not the be all and end all. I do not think removing 8v8 will encourage more players into 5v5, only making 5v5 more fun and with more game modes will do that.

Yeah for tpvp Helseth’s build is best, although also uses it very well. It’s not really something a new player is going to jump into and notice much improvement right away. The strength comes from how he uses phase retreats, portals and the timings of shatters and so on, takes a fair amount of practice and research. Sensotix has great vids to help here though.

For wvw mesmer has a lot of really good roaming builds, can’t really go wrong. Warrior with cheesy build may still be easier, but mesmer better and more interesting once you master it.

GvG / big fights is still mediocre outside boring glamours.

Great news about youtube videos incoming

Also great to see more people realising how excellent Doiid’s build is for roaming. All this obsession on forums with perplexity/clone death builds when this build crushes them. Looking at Dec 10th patch it should get even stronger just from mender’s purity buff, although we’ll see what other tweaks/builds emerge.

Klat.5846:

This build was posted over three weeks ago: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Maximised-Hybrid-Phantasm-Build-Roaming

Yes Doiid’s build is great.

Things will calm down in a week. Was always going to be ques and lag tonight.

testing them in tpvp, I doubt they will be anything special but stability and condition removal on demand is a boost for team fights and not kitten 1v1.

For WvW we wait for something else. Nothing here to replace glamours + blink.

You must be pretty bad to get owned by confusion bomb. Let alone that there’s far stronger 1v1 builds out there.

First of all it was a fix as 100% finisher chance was always unintended, it was listed as 20%. Confusion bomb was fun but also very overpowered in a lot of 1v1 or smallscale wvw situations. The buffs to sceptor would have made it even worse. There are stronger builds out there, but something as cheesy and one dimensional as this build needed a fix.

You have no shortage of other builds to use as a mesmer.

juno.1840:

Only 240m on the mantra AoE effects?

That’s pretty ineffective imho.

It’s for tpvp play on the points.

Nice to see Doiid’s build getting the attention it deserves ^^ I’ve even be running a variant in spvp and it’s still very fun

When WvW roaming, I find if struggling then just go ranged or LoS with phantasms out, then wait for better opportunity. So many evades and good ranged damage.

Not sure what people moaning about. Vizunah play well to win, Kodash got plenty of great roamers and nice server.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

I’ve known of people who have destroyed our servers golems.

And they had a good reason.

It was “We are versing 2 teams 2 tiers below us. There is absolutely no reason to golem rush like noobs.”

Yeah but this about when you’re playing a server 13 places above yours and they still do it. Let alone doing this sort of thing constantly.

Dranul.2094:

Wonder if GH have more matchup thread trolls than SFR, debate!

We sure do get a lot of ‘visitors’ from Aurora Glade.

Should thank VoTF to be honest, for good or bad they have massively livened a matchup that would have been pretty routine without them.

[Rain] is a really cool guild. I hope UW stays in silver league but gets more guilds joining. Seems a good choice for top guilds to move to for fights.

Jackie.1829:

People deliberately brought warriors in. They didnt have a queue to the map.

Complete nonsense, was que on gunnars home bl from before you even turned up, let alone right through primetime (as pretty much always in primetime).

I guess you have to invent a fantasy for failing. Much like Car Crash and their forum whines.

It wouldn’t be wvw without VoTF exaggerating xD