probably depends on what you’re like. I could never get anywhere with ele.
A lot of eles say the same thing about engie. You should give d/d ele a chance, I know I live longer on ele than I do engie
They could get more out of their money if they invested it in growing the grassroots level by making an awesome balanced addicting game that everyone ends up talking about positively.
Now there are ppl who are afraid to queue due to bad matchmaking and/or going against a premade
DOES IT BOTHER ANYONE THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE DOMINANT TEAM IN NA THAT’S HOARDING PRETTY MUCH ALL THE LARGE PRIZES?
sorry for caps im just passionate about how much this whole arrangement sucks for everyone else because there aren’t anyone else playing at their level.
MAYBE IT IS GOOD THAT THE GAME ATTRACT PRO GAMERS
To make this a success, the attitudes of the player base needs to be mostly positive towards the developer. That’s how stuff spread. If people that use the product talk it up sincerely.
Just browsing through the PVP comments in general not just this thread, I will conclude that the playerbase is a bit more hostile than friendly towards the developer.
abc and a few others are consistently more positive though
I’d like to know from someone who plays both proficiently. I can say that I play all light armored classes confidently enough to hold on my own 1v1 and contribute positive on team fights
Attempting to learn engie and it’s been….tricky
what did you do for an hour? I have ADHD cant stand long waits like that
First, as this is a partnership with ESL, I doubt all 400k is anet’s money.
Second, this partnership sets a precedent that arenanet can’t ignore balance any longer. They want to compete in the big esports market, and thus they can’t let balance languish like they have in the past.
In order to maintain this partnership, they’ve got to adhere to a certain standard of upkeep to make the game continually relevant, and not only that, since every ranked guild team is now, effectively, competing in to pro league to one degree or another they can’t ignore competitive player feedback as if a “competitive” team remains so by exploiting some strange balancing loophole, they’re stuck with that loophole on full display to the public for an entire season.
The down side is, of course, that even though it guarantees a balance update cadence, it severely hampers their ability to make minor adjustments mid season. Unless they become far more willing to do PvE/PvP slits this could potentially be harmful for PvE balance mid-season.
OMG its da pope. ty for visiting amerykah nxt time visit west coast. lots of people from countries south of usa that migrated here are catholix.
I know people that make that in 2 months
Complain about burn guardian proves only you are bad player. Against burn guardian there are 2 things you have to watch, don’t attack when they are blocking and dodge their torch 4 attacks.
If this 2 actions overwhelms you should not PVP in GW2.
Turret engi was annoying because of the knock backs and tons of condi which you can dodge all or cleanse all, none of the classes builds you mentioned can do such things so often.
From my understanding, he was illustrating how he cleansed some of their condi bursts but not so much the direct damage. The amount of cleansing he did kinda confirms that. He wasn’t complaining about burn guards.
I know for a fact that you are WRONG about the class builds he mentioned not countering turreteers. I’ve personally melted the engie and their turrets with a staff ele and condi trap ranger.
Maybe you’re the one who shouldn’t pvp. You cant even comprehend what others are saying.
condi mesmers and condi rangers are a larger threat. They apply a lot of attrition that kills you slowly but almost always guaranteed to kill you.
Burn engies and guards lose to condi Mesmer and rangers. Maybe it’s not as popular yet because it doesn’t kill as fast as burn builds. But compared to burn builds, they also sustain far better and aren’t one trick lil ponies
Proof?
-15 char filler-
WOW YOU ARE A FRAUD!!!
That screenie has been heavily tampered with using editing software. You can’t fool me.
He is lying. Those aren’t his stats. Stop wasting your time with this guy. He appears to be lonely and just want to waste your time giving him attention.
Ok people, compare his statistics to your in-game version and you will notice that his chart is smaller. Also, the background of the numbers are fuzzy. Not only that, isn’kitten weird coincidence that two of his record stats are exactly the same???
They really ought to add more specs that play stronger when pumped with condis because necros are having their cakes and eating them too, aka playing condi builds themselves AND countering condi builds at the same time =p
Says the guy who started a whine thread about burning
How many charges do you guys have? Just curious to see where I stand relative to other pvpers. I have 89
It’s so weird how we are put in win/loss streaks like the matches are already pre-determined when there aren’t that many people queueing.
Don’t you guys think thieves survivability also has to do with queueing solo and in a premade. In a premade environment, the roles are clearly defined and assistance is readily available.
But for solo queueing thieves, a buff in survivability is needed.
Maybe the ones that say thieves are in a right spot don’t queue solo like most.
grow up. burn guards only have…burns. it’s the only damaging condition they have. if you can cleanse that, it’s a L2P issue.
burning is a low tier problem.
I cant believe people complain about burn guards. I find condi mesmers to be more problematic.
insecure engie?
Guys this isn’t anything new. Typical engie invading necro forum….
Some engies are nice, most are confrontational. We don’t counter them as hard anymore so I’m not sure why they crash our party.
Edit: I don’t blame them though. Necros throw the best parties with the highest quality party favors.
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If you are not bringing clears no matter your personal damage type that is on you. We have spike bunker and condi. It isn’t that complex. If you do not bring clears use your dodges or watch your condis then what can anyone do. When burst was the meta people kittened, when tanky dps the same, and condis the same. No one builds to deal they head to the forums to complain. It gets to me every time. Nobody gets better at the game they kitten and wait for nerfs and buffs. Once HoT hits the tears will be too much to handle. We saw one weekend of it. Most players instead of learning builds and counters came to complain. I see vets and new players do the same thing. “How good are you really?” I implore you to ask yourself that question. Because at this point you have guard, trap ranger, and engi that could probably burn you to death. If you can not handle those 3 it really is on you. Bring a clear and negate the damage.
There’s a thread you should check out about the scrapper being ele 2.0
It looks as if a group of so called top tier players have posted on there about how OP the scrapper is and how it should be nerfed a bit. They showed no videos, no screenshots, just their word that their team thought it was OP. For them to create a fear mongering thread and then suggest that the build gets nerfed, I feel is robbing pvpers the opportunity to try out the scrapper as it was intended.
I’m not even sure if any of those guys main an engie.
It was a bit shocking for me because one would not expect such lowly actions from top pvpers.
Burning is a problem in low tiers
if this OP spent as much time LEARNING how to counter burning stacks from dodging the skills that apply burns and cleansing at the right time as he does whining on the forums, he’d think burns are underpowered or at least not that of a huge threat
Exhibit A in proving my previous point.
Lol I main dps shatter Mesmer and carry cleansing, dodge skills that apply high burns and know when to interrupt.
Nah, OP isn’t over-exaggerating. I witnessed virtually the same thing at one point last night.
Dunno, I’m not familiar enough with HoT specializations to really make a call on it at this point.
Please ignore this person’s opinion.
He admits what he is saying is drivel.
if this OP spent as much time LEARNING how to counter burning stacks from dodging the skills that apply burns and cleansing at the right time as he does whining on the forums, he’d think burns are underpowered or at least not that of a huge threat
This thread…….
Is like a guardian whining about constantly getting beaten by a thief
/end thread pls. reaper not op coz I’ve killed lots of it on non chrono Mesmer and boring good ’ol d/d ele
im just torn between buying the expansion and Fallout 4.
help. lol. i cant have both tho.
Op here, Op here, Op there;
Did you guy even consider that you may be weak and not used to new skills?
Things like self awareness exist.
I don’t get how wanting to know what the most popular elite specs are prior to making the expansion purchase have to do with a self awareness test.
Maybe you internalize everything and take things too seriously, I suggest you chill.
You what I could probably 1v5 as long as the opponents have less than 100hp left.
Any and all hard counters shouldn’t exist period. Your own argument about skill should explain this.
hard counters are cancer in pvp.I can’t see where you inferred this from.
Maybe in an idealistic world. Some theories may look good on paper but when applied realistically, it just doesn’t work. For example – communism.
I was very clear to say “some”. For some it would simply be impossible. Angry post against things that are actually game breaking do make sense. This is a game and people did pay money for it (in most cases) so they should have a right as consumers to speak up. Despite that this is a bit competitive. I find it interesting that the first gut reaction of many is anger. I find it funny many solely value the win and not how well played the match was.
Communism doesn’t work on paper either. The assumption that people are happy doing what they are best at is flawed. The idea that people will be satisfied as long as they have equal amounts of the pie is very flawed too. In a funny point an economics professor I had from the eastern block said something interesting once. While the lines were long and people were miserable everybody willing to wait got bread. It may not mean much but I think we got her point.
My communist comment was intended for the guy who said there shouldn’t be counters in pvp. Sure it sounds nice and idealistic but really hard to materialize if people expect build variety. Imagine playing a game where everyone is exactly the same. I didn’t think communism looked great on paper as well but there were enough idealists around to give it a go.
The current state of Russia now isn’t far from its Pre Revolution days. Only difference is that the wealth disparity is bigger than ever.
Regarding the subject of this thread, people have the right to voice out their complaints about the product they bought. However I do think that the posters on here go overboard. It’s like ordering food and complaining about how bad it tastes without trying it first.
The weird thing about this screenshot is how wide the gap in team scores are and the wide gap between his damage dealt and received.
My conclusion is this match was a result of anets bad matchmaking where they placed one really good player on the other team to work with super noobs
I think the people from the other team just volunteered to get free casted on to be punching bags.
Reaper can 1v4 pretty kitten good in close encounters..
I think it’s mostly perma 25 might mixed with 25 vuln ontop of damage amplifiers though, or atleast where my damage spikes come from anyway.
GS 2 skill crits for 12-18k and reaper 4+5 skills hit another 12k+ each ontop of wells and the freeze bomb.
Golems that don’t dodge nor hit back does not count.
Not defending the Reaper. I haven’t even played it. But Ive encountered it many times recently and it’s not hard to beat.
When did I say golems? Please point that out to me buddy unless you’re just putting words in my mouth?
You said so yourself you haven’t played reaper so why comment?
Because I’ve beaten it with non HoT builds. I don’t have to play it if I’ve beaten it. Learning to play it should be reserved for people that complain it’s op
so where’s your buddy then?
Does he have screenshots? Those numbers are skewed way too high. I fought reapers and don’t remember getting hit that hard, even on my shatter mesmer
Reaper can 1v4 pretty kitten good in close encounters..
I think it’s mostly perma 25 might mixed with 25 vuln ontop of damage amplifiers though, or atleast where my damage spikes come from anyway.
GS 2 skill crits for 12-18k and reaper 4+5 skills hit another 12k+ each ontop of wells and the freeze bomb.
Golems that don’t dodge nor hit back does not count.
Not defending the Reaper. I haven’t even played it. But Ive encountered it many times recently and it’s not hard to beat.
1v4?
Really?
It’s not good to keep lying to yourselves because you may start believing them one day.
Maybe in an idealistic world. Some theories may look good on paper but when applied realistically, it just doesn’t work. For example – communism.
I agree with the OP, I understand there are high damage builds and tanky builds, but having both is plain unfair. “Balance” right now is kinda in-existent, there could be at least a cap of 2 of the same prof. per team or something, playing against 3 necros/reapers is just stupid.
I think you’re confusing the reaper with d/d eles. The high damage reapers are not tanky at all. It’s quite easy to drain their shroud.
seriously op, I think the forum ppl have been pleasantly constructive in giving you advice. reaper is not op. i could beat it with a d/d ele
you just say it’s OP coz it counters your build and careless about the people that enjoy playing it. who cares if it gets nerfed as long as you can continue playing your condi Mesmer, right?
I think you know the answer.
Most of the complaints here are either L2P issues, people defending their build so they draw attention on other builds, people begging for their hard counter to get nerfed (which I think is selfish and very narrow minded)
Poster plays a cheap condi Mesmer build and comes to the forum to post about Reaper being overpowered.
What’s hilarious is that reapers are vulnerable to interruptions and GS is sluggish and ripe for the interrupts.
Reapers do not produce enough damage to down a d/d ele.
I only want to comment on druids position… you’re crazy.
No need to be defensive about the build you play. People are already aware of what they’re capable of.
So could the folks who are participating in the BW3 share what you guys think are the best specializations are.
In-game, I get intimidated by all the fancy animation, not knowing what’s going on. Based on what I’ve experienced in-game and what you guys have said on the forum, the rank could look like this in descending order:
druid
chrono
scrapper
revenant
reaper
tempset
What about the thief, warrior and guard specializations? Theyre not represented that well in game.
Curious to find out what you guys think. I’m now considering to buy HoT if the class balancing isn’t too unfair
Dev Tier in terms of how they influence our gaming experience
S Tier
The one responsible for balancing elementalists
[This spot is reserved for Robert Gee]A Tier
Evan Lesh and his team for caring and putting the effort to fix matchmaking for solo queue pvpersJosh Davis
Branding guy. Should consider being more aggressive with creating affiliate partners and hit up influential gaming personalities so that lots of people buy your game and thus increase the pvp population further so that SOLO QUEUE can stand on its own without having to feed the low population TEAM QUEUE.
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My ratio is 57%. Guess I’m better than most (see what I did there)
Pre June 23 ele was indeed the most balanced. It was easily countered by shoutbow, cele rifle, poison master ranger. After they nerf the d/d, it will be slightly more powerful than the pre patch with less sustain.
It’s a toss up if teams will continue stacking eles. I know the pvp will be a mess for a bit after expansion release but a new meta should be established within a month after
For the first time, we are going to have a build that’s a dedicated healer. In the previous MMO’s you’ve played, EVERYONE made room for healers. EVERYONE loves healers.
….and now we have one.
Loved how they saved the best for last. You can’t argue how massive their influence is going to be. None of the other elites got as much attention as this. The lamest ones are warriors and guardians. So lame, so so lame. This Druid is something else. It’s gonna change the pvp meta, wvw and pve.
how is it a mockery? guards and eles are the masters of boons. druids give no boons to anyone.
Idk. maybe it’s almost his time of the month and is extra sensitive and emotional.
I wish Druids replaced Guards just to pizz-off this OP even more
I really miss that beach and hiding behind the house
ITT: People who have never played a MOBA long enough to realize that MMR systems are inherently “streaky”.
The matchmaker tries to force your overall win/loss to 50% over time. So in some games, yes, you have less than a 50% chance to win on purpose. HOWEVER, if you do win them then your MMR increases at a greater rate than it would for a 50+% chance to win match. This is how your MMR will increase over time until you hit a wall of skill and stay at 50%.
The real problem is that people blame “premades” and “unfair matches” rather than their own failures or misplays.
Just take a look at the person posting their stats on this thread, they have an 80% winrate in custom arenas, i.e. not matchmaking games that they clearly stack with friends against hotjoiners. This same person has less than 50% win in unranked/ranked, meaning that they think their losses are to “premades” but more likely the losses result from bad habits picked up playing EZ custom games.
Lol he has way more credibility than you because a lot of people can relate to the frustration he and the OP is having.
Secondly, it looks as if he made it in the top 200 for both the old team leaderboard when there were a higher density of experienced pvpers around and the most recent leaderboard.
You on the other hand, have no substance nor credibility to your claims
I had over 50 kills on this map. To celebrate, I took a dive and swam with the sharks then popped out my kindle and relaxed at the beach while sipping pina coladas.
BRING THIS MAP BACK NOW.
Im even willing to buy gems to add it to a custom arena