Why do JQ and SOR talk about bandwagoners as if they are bad. I guess they dont count as bandwagoners (is that even a word lol) if they go to your server, just if they go to others.
Its only bandwagoning if you join the winners.
Or just remove any dmg done to the doors except siege weapons That would prevent 50 man zerg melting wooden doors just by facerubbing it.
That makes a lot of sense. Or even just Fortified doors are immune to players.
You can most likely take back your second place, but that will still be hard to hold after all BG even with the lose of 2 wvw guilds still have the abilty to take massive points in EU prime leading into NA.
Exactly, which is why SOR isn’t fighting for second. We just take what we can, and nothing will change until we get more coverage. If BG or JQ slacks off, we do better that week, because we never slack off.
I recall BG whining about 2v1 all last week.
I play on BG and I didn’t whine about 2v1. How come my views aren’t used to generalize an entire server? I feel sad and cheated.
I was responding to someone on BG doing exactly that.
Are you able to kill the person doing it and maintain proactive scouts at your keeps?
Scouts have nothing to do with the situation. If you have 2 or 3 skilled players at every door of your keep I and any other thief with 1/2 my talent (which is not extremely talented compared to some) will contest your keep as long as we need it contested, all day if I wish.
I have no opinion on whether I support the OP’s wishes or not. But scouts are irrelevant, they cannot and do not keep a waypoint from becoming contested.
And theres no reason not to have a scout independent of waypoints. You need advance warning if a zerg is rolling up to your keep, not just white X’s. If you wait for the first golem to hit the door you’ve already lost.
Devs have already said they were looking into fixing this, both removing single taps from contesting keeps and also removing the ability to port everyone in during the split second timer reset. Its just a matter of waiting for the fix at this point.
You know SoR is is losing to BG by 20k+ when the SoR trolls start creeping onto the forums talking about how bad the BG community is…. LOL
I recall BG whining about 2v1 all last week.
I don’t know about yall, but this is getting kind of boring.
I almost prefer culling to what we have now. At least with culling the opposing server couldn’t hightail it the first chance they saw someone. I’m so tired of looking at the backsides of the JQ and BG players.
Im thinking more about being tired of fighting the same people the same way.
That is an absolutely terrible idea. You want fresh new matches every week, facing any server? I recently transferred from T1 to T7 and let me tell you, any server in T7 would be mercilessly farmed by a T1 server to the point where almost everyone would stop WvW’ing. It would not be fun for anyone.
This^^^
No one would even be able to leave spawn. How would that be fun for anyone?
The Browns are never going to win a superbowl either, but they and the fans still show up.
What about 3 tiers of 6 servers each where the opponents are randomized each week? That gives each server 5 opponents, for 10 combinations. And you still rank them by win-loss to see who is best.
I don’t know about yall, but this is getting kind of boring.
I would rather they remove tags altogether unless you are targeting them. This would allow people to hide and add some thrill to pvp. You can always use team colors to try and identify people more quickly.
Yes I know you can do this already, but why would you intentionally handicap yourself.
The 70 player zergfest karma train will end over the next few days as all the nitwits get bored with the update and we get back to the regulars doing what we do. It’s already winding down. Even I stopped counting at rank 5 and don’t even look anymore.
I think folks weren’t being completely honest with themselves about the size of their groups. I know that culling, for me, made everything seem like a 20 v 20 when big groups collided. NOW, it’s like whoa… this isn’t right! WTF?
Now, we see all those hangers on and stragglers and it looks… disturbing. I will grant that the first night it was just stupid out of control zerg v zerg. I expected no less than that and was shocked at how angry some folks on JQ were and even logged out. Like they thought it would be anything different that night.
But now it’s back to havocs and 5 mans and split zergs and decent small, medium and large fights.
The biggest thing I notice now is how much more folks run away. It’s harder to run in when you can SEE all of those bads.
No, its still pretty much everyone zerging for wxp. Worlds aren’t bothering to defend anything because they don’t get wxp for defending.
So I don’t know if this is the best place to do this (and it probably isn’t), but Habib started it..
The most recent update has finally realized most of the hopes and dreams I had regarding world versus world all those years ago when we first started talking about it around the office (somewhere in the 2007 or 2008 area).
I hope youre referring to the ability to finally see everyone on the screen, and not the creation of karma trains.
How come SoR is always killing me? I thought we had a truce?
I saw the SoR zerg coming and was like “Finally, reenforcements~!” and they killed me! WTF? THEN, they took our tower! It must have been a clerical error because we have a truce going on.
THEN, I hear “SoR 40 + heading to Bay.” Okay, now I’m pretty sure it’s not a paperwork mix up. These guys are really attacking us!
Did someone call off the secret agreement?
Or maybe is that 50 PPT for Balckgate because no one is playing on BG this week?
That’s because you haven’t transferred payment like we agreed to. One precursor a day for a week. You missed payment so we had to remind you.
Can someone from JQ please contact me? The precursor transfer we arranged didn’t go through.
Speaking of zergs, how come some are called invaders and some are called assaulters?
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Bugged on SOR again. That too one whole day after restart. Way to go AN.
I don’t like the culling changes. Showing bodies is fine. Now there is just too much text on the screen. I would rather they just disable name tags on everything on WVW unless you click on someone. Just use team colors to tell friend or foe. I don’t really care who the person is that Im killing.
When the whole Zone/Zerg use WP 3 secs before/after timer ends to port in a contested keep.
It sucks.
How is that an exploit, a few patches ago they increased the time and made this easier to do. This is working as intended.
They said they were going to find a way to remove it, both so that a single tap wont close the WP for 3 mins, and that the contested wont ever expire so long as the keep actually is under attack. Not that they had found a way, just that it was being considered.
Bugged on SOR. 6 months in, you would think this kind of thing would be fixed by now.
Im sure AN will get right on that.
305, 300, 90 :P
Dat dividing of the points
all good BG will endure. please make us red next reset… please……..
NO! SOR has been blue for like 20 of the last 24 weeks. Red EB is so much better.
If its not perhaps you would be interested in some Asuran Pleasure Slaves?
While you may not want gold to transfer TO a world, perhaps you would be interested in gold to stop you from transferring to JQ?
Just an example of them working together. 12:15 am pst, JQ is attacking hills in JQbl, we are just about to take it from Sor, then a BG zerg kills us, and leaves Hills without attacking 1 Sor, or taking Hills , thanks for saving Sor’s butt, total and obvious cheaters.
How is that cheating? Last night we took a tower from BG while they were trebbing JQ in Bay. Was that cheating?
You know, if there’s one thing that this week has shown, it’s that EVERY SINGLE T1 server deserves to be here.
SoR: They showed this week that when they really push for points, they can make things a real pain in the rear end for both of the “stacked superservers” they play against. They brought the pain in a big way earlier this week, ticking at 300+ even when their population should have been practically a nonfactor during those time slots. I don’t know what happened, but when SoR said that they were “Playing the PPT game” earlier on, they meant it. I don’t know how people can still make comments about how SoR shouldn’t be in T1 or anything, that’s a load of bull.
Actually I dont think we did anything differnt. JQ just slacked off for some reason, allowing BG to come back. Until we get better coverage nothing is going to change.
Rule 17 of WvW
When your server leads in PPT it is obviously skill. When your enemy leads in PPT, it is quantity over quality.Gaining 15k points overnight while SoR has 0 players online is not skill.
Dude if you’re saying MERC and ND don’t have skill, just ask FOO. BG oceanic/sea didn’t hold that ppt unhindered.
Edit: When is the last time you checked the NA ppt, btw? You don’t have 0 players online now… so, what’s the excuse now? BG is +380-405.
Check the history. BG started picking up around midnight, and is now dropping as SOR gains points back. And looks, its nearing primetime. Coincidence?
WvW is a game no one can win
Play for points, you get told off for not staying and fighting. Stay and fight, you get told off/laughed at for not having good ppt. We all lose!
Some insane fights tonight, MERC pushed well against garrison, we had equal if not more numbers than MERC though, HIRE and Choo pushed together for a while.
Sorry you guys had to play alone tonight HIRE knows that feeling.
Youre confusing WvW with Forum Wars 2.
I think what Talentless was trying to say, but it came out wrong is that players from SoR tend to run from 1v1’s or small engagements and stick to their large groups even if the odds are fairly balanced.
OMG I totally agree with this. Every freakin time I find anyone from SOR alone I have to chase them half way across a freakin map to kill them. Like this guardian from CHOO, I chased her from outside hills all the way to this supply camp before she stopped, and the only reason she did is because some Ele from JQ showed up and knocked her down. Stop running from 1v1s please.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did something wrong.
It’s some clueless kittens who are going back and forth, followed by more kittens stirring it back up once it gets calmed down again. basically it’s like this:
“You guys zerg so bad.”
“No you guys zerg.”
“No. We have skill.”
“No. You have 100 people zerg.”
“Only 80 can be on map. BTW you have 80 people zerg.”
“No we run 2 man all time! u zerger!”
“We don’t even enter WvW. You zerg!”
I wasn’t aware that suddenly zerging was a huge new issue. I thought it had been the main complaint for the past 6 months. Who knew?
And the funny comments that show how silly the fighting is are getting deleted while the troll comments get to stay. It is by far the worst official forum I have ever been a part of. ZERO functionality. Overly moderated. ARBITRARILY moderated. No response tracking. I have to read page after page just to see if anyone is talking to me… no thread subscriptions or sorting…
Just freaking JUNK. If I wasn’t so bored at work, I’d never go there.I Copy and pasted this from another forum,because it`s true.
Could not say it any better than this.
You know nothing, Jon Snow.
I really hope more asian/oceanic guilds will consider transferring to SoR, the wvw crews on this server are some of the best in T1, in terms of skills and tactics.
Can you define what you mean by skills and tactics? I think I have mentioned multiple times before and even SOR players and commanders have made posts on the forum agreeing with me, SOR does not or seldom use tactics and strategies in wvw. Many times SOR would choose to attack a fortified keep over a keep with no defenders because it is closest to them. Many times they would sit in a tower to defend while losing everything else on the map. Ignoring a gate in a keep with no arrow carts and choosing a gate with tons of arrow carts and brute forcing the gate down with pure zerg numbers instead of using siege is a sign that the server does not use tactics and strategy to take over a holding on the map.
BG has been asking SOR to reduce their 60+ zerg balls and is being met with a lot of resistance from SOR. I do no understand how SOR can say they are winning with skills in battles when you literally CANNOT use your skills in the battles. Seriously, these large zerg ball fights go like this:
You spam attack since you do not see who is attacking you and who you are attacking. There is a 30 second skill lag that makes it impossible to know if your skill attack is actually working, so all you do is close your eyes, rotate your skill attacks, and cross your fingers and hope that they are working.
So, I ask again, based on the description of the battle above in large zerg ball fights that SOR insists on, how can anyone measure skills in the battles? Who spam attacks the fastest is best skilled? The largest zerg ball is the most skilled?
Like everyone else, you are only seeing a small part of the war., and basing your opinion on that.
I am sure you are a very smart individual but that’s the stupidest thing I have heard in a while. How about blaming the people that make the game. Put in a ticket. How people play this game should not break the game. That’s just dumb.
But how they play the game actually does break the game. I’m asking them to not do it. ANet has some changes they need to make, but the community has the power to not make this the “meta”. Currently, 80 people in a single force is game breaking whether or not it is ANet’s problem. So, “dumb” as it is that people playing how they want breaks the game, it is the sad state of affairs.
There are also numerous strategic reasons why your whole map in a single zerg should never work, but since, very often, the 3rd server not being attacked is content being a willful bystander or engages in the “2v1”, the server engaging in the whole-map zerg doesn’t get punished for it. This is 3-faction PvP; putting all of your forces into one location, by design, is never meant to work.
Its open PVP. By design, whatever works, works. What we need is for AN to add some real penalties for dying. That would cut 80 mans zergs down quick. No combat rezzing, no corpse loitering, maybe a delay on how quickly you can respawn.
Dont know how long ill keep it up, but you can see live score stream here for now.
@Energetik and any one else that wants to school me bit on this matter.
Why does everyone claim that holding the JP because of free siege is such a advantage? other then the golem (which is debatable for some people) isn’t that expensive. Is buying siege that frowned upon? If anything holding it would be to keep enemy servers players wasting player spot in WvW to do the JP but even then it take numbers from both sides.
Yeah, I dont get it. Siege is basically free anyway. Personally I would remove it from the JP, and then make it cost badges only, and maybe more badges to make people think before they spam it.
I would rather see 9 balanced servers with random rotations, than 3 balanced servers doomed to play each other till then end of time, and 6 dead servers. But there may simply not be enough players/guilds to fill more than 3 servers.
Still looking for more recruits. We have almost nightly WvW events, plenty of social people to lead you through it, and when we arent killing Reds, we do all those PVE things people like too. This could be you!
I totally understand SoR’s position this week, just head hunting to try to stay in Tier 1, even though they don’t belong here, as their score keeps showing they just don’t have the coverage to compete. I would think that if they where really double teaming BG because a few guilds on our server ran their mouth, that they would negotiate a place in second. Unfortunately not the case, so who knows what is really happening behind the scenes. But there you go, SoR 0 ppt, 11pm server time.
I read all the bad talk about BeastGate, and I am not going to respond to it, I just want to point out that we took on the #1 server in north america, we are fighting off their pet dogs at the same time and we still hold a strong second position in Tier 1, good job to everybody on BG that is spending so many hours every day in WvW to make the difference, and to all of our commanders out there, and all of our amazing WvW guilds that fight regardless of what anybody says.
Can’t wait until we push SoR into the tier they belong in and we match up with Kaineng again. I’ve been missing me some War Machine fights.
We belong here because their is no other world that can compete with us over time besides JQ (and BG for the moment). If someone else moves up, we will be solid in T2 and someone above us will fall and we’ll be right back in T1 again. Afaik there are only two consistent servers, JQ and SOR. We are the only who have have not fallen below T2 since our rise. Maybe thats due to some sort of loyalty characteristic.
If history repeats, SOR will eventually get some more coverage, beat BG, and BG bandwagoners will fall off causing them to fall down again. Much like SOS, IOJ and others.
What do you mean “for the moment” when mentioning BG? You forgot BG in your list of consistent servers, we’ve already survived fall from T1 before. We’ve never fallen more then one ranking spot in how many months? We dust the dirt off our shoulder and keep it moving.
If we were going to implode, don’t you think it would have happened already?
Youre right, you did only drop to 4th. I was thinking of HOD I think. Make that 3 consistent servers then. Point being SOR deserves third. And we dont mind proving it in t2 again. Whoever takes our place in t1 will have the same problems, implode, and we’ll be right back in it.
I totally understand SoR’s position this week, just head hunting to try to stay in Tier 1, even though they don’t belong here, as their score keeps showing they just don’t have the coverage to compete. I would think that if they where really double teaming BG because a few guilds on our server ran their mouth, that they would negotiate a place in second. Unfortunately not the case, so who knows what is really happening behind the scenes. But there you go, SoR 0 ppt, 11pm server time.
I read all the bad talk about BeastGate, and I am not going to respond to it, I just want to point out that we took on the #1 server in north america, we are fighting off their pet dogs at the same time and we still hold a strong second position in Tier 1, good job to everybody on BG that is spending so many hours every day in WvW to make the difference, and to all of our commanders out there, and all of our amazing WvW guilds that fight regardless of what anybody says.
Can’t wait until we push SoR into the tier they belong in and we match up with Kaineng again. I’ve been missing me some War Machine fights.
We belong here because their is no other world that can compete with us over time besides JQ (and BG for the moment). If someone else moves up, we will be solid in T2 and someone above us will fall and we’ll be right back in T1 again. Afaik there are only two consistent servers, JQ and SOR. We are the only who have have not fallen below T2 since our rise. Maybe thats due to some sort of loyalty characteristic.
If history repeats, SOR will eventually get some more coverage, beat BG, and BG bandwagoners will fall off causing them to fall down again. Much like SOS, IOJ and others.
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JQ and BG double Team SoR.
BG and SoR Double team JQ.
JQ and SoR double team BG.GG. /end sarcasm
No one does it.
If you have proof, as in actual recorded conversation of 2 servers directly working together PM it to me. Otherwise you’re just calling wolf, and I can’t believe you.I am not calling wolf, its pretty easy to see when two groups are not fighting each other and are taking turns at protecting each other towers. Everybody can see it and knows it because it is so obvious.
Sanctum last night went out of their way to get to a jade tower we just had taken while Jade was right next to it NOT attacking any of the Sanctum players. Then there is SM when one come right after the other and you guys don t attack each other.
Of course there are the little skirmishes where you do fight each other so please don’t try to make it look like it is not true since it is painfully obvious to see…at least in EB
Again, so what? Not thats its true, but so what if it is?
I think it is really funny that two servers have to double team in order to fight Blackgate. Tonight I saw in EB first hand that you guys are communicating and organizing mutual defense/offenses.
The fact that you are double teaming to beat BG is rather pathetic.
Sounds like good strategy to me. Enemy of my enemy.
30 people killing one trash mob at a time for 4 mins before the elemental spawns, not to mention the ease of the stages leading up to it, and the Elemental itself plus the steam golem bonus is way too easy (with the 30 80’s that show up to farm chests)
This needs far better scaling.
You are from SoR, you know best how the “top 6” servers stack up against each other. They don’t, at all. There’s no systemic way to compensate for guild-hopping, and no reason for intervention in the top tiers because any problems there are one hundred percent due to the action of players.
Tier 8, on the other hand, is a legitimate concern. But that’s not what this topic is about.
It would be no worse fighting BG than fighting JQ. But at least it would be different. If they randomized opponents, sure there would be blowouts, but maybe people wouldnt get bored and move.
Im pretty tired of playing the same people every week. Also SOR has been BLUE for 7 out of 8 weeks. At the very least take the top 6 worlds, and randomize opponents and colors each week. This would allow for some variety.