Guild Wars 2

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Ninein.4782:

Also wanted to add another observation about WM zergball. We have faced BT that employs similar tactics as WM zergball but nobody has accused BT of botting. So what was it about WM zergball that makes people think they have bots among them?

Well last night I got a chance to go into EB and fight against the famed Jun Gang or whatever his name was from WM. Anyways, I had several suspicious observation that some players in the WM zergball are not entirely human.

Case #1:

WMzergball was defending Quentin that had a hole in the wall with Maguuma zerg on the outside trying to push in. What they would do is gather up in the lord room and then run out the hole in the wall or portal in the door to strike a particular location.

I wanted to test to see how dynamic this WM zergball is at changing target. When the zergbal ran up to the lord room to regroup. I ran up and attacked them by my lonesome self. To my suprise, most of them just ran past me as I attacked them. I was able to slow 5 and only 5 out of the whole 30 of em attacked me. From my observation, they attack an area and are not capable of switching target to hit individual people.

Case #2:

Maguuma breaks through Durios door and are taking down the tower lord. In our previous attempt, the WM zerg ball would charge in behind us and wipe us out. On this second attempt, I positioned myself below the lord room waiting for them to charge us. They indeed charge us at the lord room and I call inc. To my suprise, they did not attack me on their way to the lord room. I had ample time to slow them yet again and drop all my AE on them. This again confirms my suspicion, that this WM zerg is incapable of dynamic target switching. Plus I think they just target ground location and not individual opponents.

Case #3:

The WM zergball came to Valley keep area and tried to set up siege to take out Trebuchets that were sitting high up on a pedestal. You’ll think a highly coordinated zergball of 30 players could get a siege up while under fire. What I saw was maybe 5 people try to build the siege and the other 25 just standing around twidling their thump. They eventually couldn’t build the siege. This makes me think there’s only a few “live” thinker in that zergball of 30.

Mind you this was only a few hours of fighting them last night. So I’m sure people who have fought these guys longer wouldn’t miss these subtle details.

This post is so full of fail. For the first two ‘cases’, it’s called being good players and understanding how to play WvW. Why would members of the zerg stop to deal with one member, who is hardly going to do anything to them at all if ignored? The guild claim NPC is much more important of a target to take down in lords room than any players, and if people stop to attack the one fool who is trying to distract the enemy force, it slows down the capture. Focused fire is the best fire. WM players are very disciplined, they attack who/what Jang attacks without question. In terms of defending, your priority is always to be in the lords room. If you’re in the lords room then the enemy cannot cap the structure until you are dead. Zergs that get caught up on single players are poorly disciplined, they should always be going as fast as they can to the commander and/or the target.

The last case is something that no one can answer other than WM. I have played WvW with WM many times from when they were on SBI, and I can recall times where we would sit there and auto attack reinforced gates to death from as much as 50% ‘health’. No one expects the zerg to sit there and auto attack a gate to death, and it is a lot easier to focus siege on enemy siege, than it is to pick off a loose zerg that is using their skills on a gate.

WM and Jang Gun know how to play WvW, they’ve been at the top of T1 and played against most of the good guilds in the American server scene. No one in T1 ever accused WM of botting, perhaps it’s just the lower server players lack of understanding of WvW that results in this conclusion.

except usually it isn’t 1 guy trying to pick off the wm train, its 10 spamming aoe and cc onto it. the train’s one track mind gets it killed as it has no flexibility to adapt to different targets and different battlefield situations.

i dont think they’re botting, they are just trained, and know of one way to play the game. they get shut down against competent and smart opponents, but roll over random zergs. it works well for the most part, but the higher up you go, the less effective it will be.

as a mesmer, i’m saying it here first, the changes to underwater trident is OP as kitten.

its even MORE op than the confusion stacks we could sustain before. now its just a joke, 25 stacks of bleed in like 5 seconds flat. can any other class do this with any weapon? not to mention being able to stack vigor for over 30 seconds, extremely quickly.

so no, staff shouldn’t be like trident, staff is very balanced in terms of damage, because of offers so much defensive capabilities.

Iris Ng.9845:

Pinko.2076:

moose.6973:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Why are Kains accusing people of hacking but getting upset when their server is accused of something similar?

Not even accusing when you are caught in the act….

We have videos of WM dying while auto attacking, but apparently that’s not proof of botting, instead people just accept that they’re incompetent.

Woah, this is really really bad. You should report them instantly whenever you have proof. Let the GM ban them, but don’t flame the forum otherwise I’ll think it as another groundless accusation from some sore losers. Yet again.

I found this moment pretty hilarious. Props to the guy who tried to target Jang.

i love how that guy in chat is accusing someone of hacking when he got quickness stomped.

Geoski.1407:

Yes i understand that’s how it works at this moment, but I’m wondering if anyone agrees with this concept of phantasms having the special ability to pound you no matter what u do, and last for quite a long time following you through invis and teleports. It seems like a polar opposite counter to what some mesmers can choose as their playing style.

Binding blades to invis targets is one thing, but to have all your dps focused on phantasms, and for phantasms to obliterate their target during invis, no other class can do that.

its not a phantasm specific thing. all classes and skills with a channeled attack will continue to hit stealthed enemies if you start the channel before they stealth.

its fine, its one of the few ways to kill stealthed enemies.

nobody knows wtf you are trying to say

only reflects projectiles. melee attacks aren’t projectiles.

its the same effect as feedback, or traited focus skills.

you are in the wrong thread

its being reapplied to you continuously

ive never seen another server have so many players log out as soon as they see an enemy if they’re not in a zerg.

even when im running around by myself.

is that a joke

because the euro matchups are completely kittened up. they should have just reset the euro ranks.

this thread is severly lacking, the T2 thread has more posts.

wtb more drama

Talissa Chan.7208:

Cool, enjoy your queue time, now 40 players per server i hear. Won’t you have a blast. Puzzle serves 0 purpose to WvW players its only of interest to PvE folk.

dunno about you, but i gave one of our commanders over 300 siege blueprints last week.

without having to spend anything.

Talissa Chan.7208:

Small group getting badges = playing pvp. If you have no interest in pvp and you’re a solo pve player – thats what the puzzle was originally added for. A way for pve folk to get badges without playing the part of the game they despise. Much like the pvp guys despise pve and as anet said – you can do/get everything in wvw that you can in pve so you can play the way you want!. If you despise pve and HAVE to do it? you hate it, its a waste of time and you’re not enjoying it. Same with a pve fan who’s trapped into doing pvp, he’s just eating up a space a proper pvp player could take, that team just got a player who doesn’t care about placing siege, taking keeps or giving info in map chat. He ‘s there to do the puzzle and get out as fast as possible. So next time your mate is stuck in que while you’re kitten off waiting for him – think “Thanks Anet! those 30 guys kittening about the campers in the jumping puzzle stopped my mate and half my kitten guild getting in, good freaking idea”

no, the puzzle wasn’t put in so pve players can get badges without having to pvp. arena net has never said this, and they never will.

you MUST pvp to get a legendary, period. its that way by design.

Talissa Chan.7208:

to the OP, its not going to change and all you’ll get for posting is the usual “pfft, you is n00b, learn to pvp vs my 15 idiot friends” your options are 1) realise that mentality means its always camped by idiots 2) just ignore it and join the wvw zerg or 3) drop the game and forget about the 11 year old wannabes. The games aiming more and more at the “i’m cooler than you kay?” crowd. And to Anet, you added the chest as a way to get badges by doing the PUZZLE so PvE folks could ignore the WvW as they didn’t want to play it, you’ve also classified WvW as a PvE mapping area. Fix it and choose either PvE or PvP. Make it clear what was going through your minds when you decided to mix n match 2 completely different playstyles.

you aren’t ever required to join wvw for anything. you join because you want a legendary, guess what, you dont have the right for it to be handed to you just because you dont want to pvp. go pve your heart out with exotics, legendaries aren’t any better.

CorvusRex.8349:

This is necessary for world completion, correct? Anything necessary for world completion should be obtainable by anyone without having to involve themselves in PvP. People who like PvP can still have PvP, myself being one of them, but people who just want to finish their jumping puzzle should be able to just finish their jumping puzzle.

no, its not required for world completion.

yes, phantasm oriented full berserker build, using GS.

basically you want to maximize dps

Fennymcjoo.9502:

It was misspelled on purpose … I hope you weren’t literally taking me seriously….

my feathers are literally so rustled right now

Fennymcjoo.9502:

Scoreboard update… I don’t have any sexy salad… But I got a tree dough…

tree… though?

never seen someone misspell a word like that

Psychatog.8246:

dear Kain on Mag bl,

your portal bombing incorrectly, you need to mass invis before you go in, because culling through the portal no longer works. Your fighting like this is t6-8, please up your game.

this has been a [PRO] tip

i’ve also noticed kain likes to guild zerg supply camps, thats fine, but it seems like its the only thing they do. they just run 20-30 guys camp to camp, flip it, and leave. they dont try to take any towers or keeps at all.

is this some sort of high level T1 strat or something? seems too early for karma training.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

Is this where the mighty fall?
Will the Kaineng forum warriors react like the Magumma warriors last week?

considering this is the first matchup where kain isn’t fighting a dead server, or one thats completely outclassed, probably.

thewaterguy.4796:

Also think of the exploits?
Even if you got a large group you would still get massacred due to the design of the puzzles, the campers could just open fire from above and massacre the group with ease

maybe if that large group was bad at pvp, they would get massacred. otherwise its very possible to kill campers, even outnumbered.

thewaterguy.4796:

sigh
The Jp’s should not be “territory” to fight over…
I believe they were meant as an alternate source of badges for people that don’t like PvP as much
all camping does is make people mad
but then when they come onto the forums they just get laughed at and called a “PvE Noob”
its sick
and I am really tired of it
and its the reason I am not purchasing ANYTHING from Anet until something is done about this

and for all of you campers do something for me
make a lvl 1 alt
and try to do a JP being camped by some enemies
then try to get a group without asking your guild for help…
then maybe you will feel our pain

you are whats wrong with the gaming community these days in general. you are not entitled to get badges, you have to earn them.

why would you try and do the puzzle with a level 1 alt without any friends with you if you know its being camped? be good at pvp, go in with your friends and some mesmers, and kill the campers.

and guess what, if you suck so badly that you can’t do it, you have other means of getting badges, like.. you know actually playing wvw. you get badges slower sure, you’re not entitled to get the treasure

its not anet’s job to allow you to do it. its their job to give you the means to be able to do it, and now that they’ve disabled siege in the puzzle, i would say they have done the job. the rest is up to you.

i have a solution to you, transfer to a low tier server.

i dont understand how kaineng hold ONLY SM in EB.

AncientAstronaut.7602:

Wizardauz.3761:

Did you know theres a mystic well in the EB Jump Puzzle.

Makes you stealth for 5 min. And theres more then one through out the jump puzzle.

It dosent last long enough, i turned invisable but then it ran out…

whos fault is that? get better at jumping and you can make it through the entire thing stealthed

so you’re saying you dont want to pvp to get badges of honor.

the game isn’t designed to work like that, play another game if you dont like it.

Jeknar.6184:

wads.5730:

they kill you because they know you’ll get mad, plus they want badges just like you, what better way than to kill you for them.

Actually I can make badges faster by jumping than killing…

or even more… since you can do both

they kill you because they know you’ll get mad, plus they want badges just like you, what better way than to kill you for them.

skritt, i’m hit

base healing from shouts is 1200, you can double that if you use full clerics. but you’re giving up like 8k hp

Ninein.4782:

Pinko.2076:

I think you’re over exaggerating. People are not spending 10 hours a day grinding out defense because they don’t enjoy doing it for 7 days straight. You’re OG Maguuma, so you should know we don’t do things if we stop enjoying them.

We learned and know how to stop FA’s siege from the first 3 days, so why should we repeat it for the last 4 if it’s clear how tedious it is? I’d rather we play for fun, and the score we get is the score we get. That means we’ll eventually be in a tier where we can have fun instead of grinding out borderlands defense for 10 hours a day.

Not complainging about WvW population per se. Just the disruption to my WvW experience exhibited by some “Get off our server” people.

if you’re not the target of those comments, then why does it matter? let the trolls troll, its what they do

so.. someone necroed a month old thread about a harmless graphical bug, asking for nothing to be done with it, and a dev responds saying they will fix it. hows that for irony

Straegen.2938:

wads.5730:

most people want to fight kain, so why would we want them to skip our tier

Most people who have fought Special K don’t want to do it again… I fall into that category which certainly colors my opinion of fighting them again. I have enjoyed the fighting this weekend and I wouldn’t mind doing it again. I see no reason to potentially upset a solid tier.

you obviously fought them in unbalanced matchups when they were on their way up. kain will stop in T3 or 2. T3 will be the first matchup where they will have to try. all the matchups they’re fought so far have either had a dying server on the way down, or just ranked too low.

just because you and whatever server you were on failed, as expected, doesn’t mean they are slotted for T1. i’m predicting they’ll settle top T3 or bottom T2.

most people want to fight kain, so why would we want them to skip our tier

i think this match is already decided

if people who normally play ARE sitting out, it would only be until the 28th

Apok.1623:

Bandwagoners wow! not directed at OP.

@ First sign of resistance in weeks and they run when its a level playing field :P

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t have transferred off when the big Mag zerg was rolling over the last few tier matchup’s smaller zergs. Blowouts are obviously what you’re craving, the easy win.

Competition is hard.

dont discourage people from leaving

IRSyKo.5843:

Maguuma you guys are doing really well, why are you so upset?

thats why we’re upset, doing too well, not getting crushed hard enough

stay on magurma if you wish to never win another matchup

i’m transfering to SoS asap

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Actually, now that you’re here, I can ask something that’s been confusing me.

Just why did Maguuma get so many transfers?

devonas and borlis pass were bandwagon servers on the rise from T8, they crushed T7-5, getting more bandwagoners.

then was matched up with mag/DR/borlis, got crushed 2 weeks in a row, so all the same bandwagoners that propelled DR/borlis, jumped to mag.

you’re always goign to hit like a wet noodle until you’re 80 with exotics. even then depending on how you build, you’re still going to hit like a wet noodle.

its just how it is

i’m not sure you know what lewd means

Emerge.9640:

Pinko.2076:

I agree. Maguuma is really rude + lewd and I’m eager to transfer off before the 28th. I encourage everyone to do the same, because it’ll be a ghost town soon.

The rudeness was derived from the huge influx of people who weren’t wanted to begin with.

the lewdness was derived from just a few out of many

CrassBippy.4619:

kash.9213:

Kuldred.2436:

We really enjoyed the fights with Mag prior to the transfers, now not so much. Quite possible we are in for another week of the same with Kaineng, oh well. It will be nice when the dust finally settles from the free transfers and the tiers even back out again.

People should enjoy a match based on how much fun they have fighting with their servers community rather then who they’re fighting against. A solid server community, even when get wrecked in a match, is addictive. More people trickle in when they hear their guildies talking about the crazy stuff that happened in w3, and eventually word spreads across servers.

Well, getting spawn camped by huge #s isn’t “fun”. even taking a tower only to have twice your #s steamroll through is not fun. not blaming maguuma, but it’s pretty obvious why people are t having fun. there’s a huge difference in fun factor when you fight outnumbered (overcome!) to more then twice your #s (well kitten we can’t do anything)

you kite the zerg until it splits off, then you kill the remaining chasing you. thats how you fight over twice your numbers.

5 allies around you get the buff, it prioritizes your party first, then other players, then pets/other stuff.

Malice.8439:

So having performed some tests, it appears that you can’t spawn clones either by Deceptive Evasion or through the Sword # 3 skill, if you’re not in combat. I’ve been trying to use the Sword # 3 ability as a “charge” or a leap to get into combat with mobs, only for it to fail.

Staff # 2, however, will spawn a clone if you have a mob targeted, will it not? Whether you’re currently in combat or not, as long as you’re in range.

Which makes me wonder is Deceptive Evasion and Sword # 3 are bugged, or if they are working as intended.

sword 3 can be used out of combat, but using it will put you in combat. its range is 600, so you’re probably just not in range for it to work.

wisedog.5693:

Mag commanders hard at work during boot camp

i like how there are commanders on the map in that picture

FalconOSeven.2364:

Curious, how do you get up there?

they like waving

Pendragon.8735:

Most often in WvW you never run into 1v1s, even in soloing camps, such as my example, its a rarity. Practicing group combat, which is the vast majority of WvW entails is what would improve you more in this game mode.

i agree, there’s one caveat though, the vast majority of the players of this game benefits more from learning to 1v1 first. they dont have the fundamentals of combat down well enough to learn more advanced plays that group fights entail.

for these fightclubs however, it would be more fun and beneficial to setup 2,3,4,5v5 fights instead of always 1v1s, as the people that usually show up are pretty competent in 1v1’s already.