The problem with portals is that the game can’t handle the 2321421 players appearing in one place at the same time. I actually think that capping the portal to the maximum of 10 players would be a good change. Portals would remain useful, teleporting golems or players to critical positions.
So instead of fixing the actual bug you want to change something entirely different. Good job.
I actually think the game won’t ever be able to handle gracefully those 50 players rendering at the same spot at the same time.
If that would be the case then large scale WvW in general is pointless, even when just running around you can have serious culling. So you want to cap zones at 15 people per server since the game can’t handle 50 people in one location?
If you want a portal change then fine but you can’t be serious and give culling as the reason.
The problem with portals is that the game can’t handle the 2321421 players appearing in one place at the same time. I actually think that capping the portal to the maximum of 10 players would be a good change. Portals would remain useful, teleporting golems or players to critical positions.
So instead of fixing the actual bug you want to change something entirely different. Good job.
Do you know what is the most sad things?
That this post is being ignored by Devs.
If you had opened this post on Dungeon Section probably now you will have you answer by DEvs.
But seems they are not interested in hear WvW players. We are decisely “2nd league customers”
Considering the amount of people they have working on class balance etc I guess there’s maybe 1 person looking at WvW before this Feb patch.
If someone from ANet would give some more news it would be great. Something similar to what Square-Enix is doing with the FFXIV relaunch. Gives us information on what you’re planning, give us updates. Simply mentioning that you’ll have a look at WvW in 2 months after the last “great” class patch isn’t really helping.
But we bought the game and aren’t paying subscriptions so I guess they’re in no rush.
I had a thief do approximately 20k to me from stealth with a steal->cloak and dagger->backstab (crit) combo. I have seen the glory of the glass cannon burst class, and I think I may roll one to try out. >_>
If you’re asking for a portal/stealth change due to culling then you’re doing it wrong. Fix culling then recheck and see if any change is needed.
As for portal bombing, look for portals and learn how to counter it. If you’re unable to do so then I’m very sorry.
Last time I checked professions aren’t supposed to be balanced so please stop crying about it, it’s getting old. Each one is different and has it’s pro’s and cons. Learn them before you complain.
I believe that all I’m reading is, “I don’t want to learn to how to adapt and overcome the battlefield conditions present, I want the Almight ArenaNet to righteously smite my enemies mobility advantage so that my inferior thinking can carry through another day.”
I then suggest you do take reading classes – there’s many posts who also address other issues.
lack of skill is the only issue, but you might not notice since you are biased
That is a killer argumentation you use and that means *you*’re wrong, else you would use a proper argumentation.
Unlimited portals allow larger groups to steamroll over a small team of defenders who have a chance to stall a bigger group if there were no portals. All portal countering mechanics require a minimum number of players to bomb the portal. If you have – like in the examle of bay defense I gave, 10 – 15 people inside the keep who also have to counter catapults and trebus set up inside the inner perimeter you can’t bring enough firepower onto the portal to subdue 30+ players.
You have enough to stop them coming through the cate in masses but while arrow carts and ballistae can change target instantly catapults cannot. And if you can subdue the portalled group you get crushed by those coming through the breach now that all weapons fire on the portal.
It’s not a matter of skill but a matter of numbers.
If portals were restricted to, say, 10 people you’d have a more manageable job with less people against an enemy 3 or 4 times more in numbers than you. Apparently you haven’t been in this situation a lot – how about switching to a lower tier server where you usually have one server that has 4x to 5x the WvW population of the other two combined?
Well placed, spread out siege? Put up CC on the portal? Kill the mesmer before he gets in?
But complaining is always easier then finding a counter.
How about we try to keep this one open, I like getting score updates at work.
If you feel the need to vent about certain issues then open a new thread.
Because JP’s are a distraction, any person doing it is a person less defending/attacking/escorting/upgrading. If someone is camping the puzzle then let them stay there and go take camps/towers/…
I honestly don’t get why they have to be in the wvw zones instead of a separate instance but ah well.
With the exception of 2-3 SOS guys earlier on…I’ve not seen ANY chest thumping from these guys. If we lose to them, it’s a honorable loss and we shake hands and line up to fight again. BG guys still complaining on this thread, please focus on your tier. You had 3 weeks in T-1 to fight and win and you are now in T-2. There is NO excuse, no reason, and no imaginary alliance to get you out of T-1…you just weren’t ready. Let it go, enjoy the fights there and move on please.
Thanks for ignoring 95% of my post. Please continue with your smug trash talk. Ignore the 2v1 we guys saw you doing. You guys know exactly what you did, and in typical fashion SBI commanders cannot speak in a respectful manner to BG when you guys caused all the drama to begin with. Shocking when SBI makes the comments. Oh wait…
Please ignore this guy, he does not represent BG and most/all of his statements are false. Sorry that he comes and trolls this thread.
1st. You play on FR / German / Spanish server ? your problem.
You choose that server knowing you would only play with 1 nation, and 1 nation only.
EU server have many nations working together, this would bound to happen as EU servers speak english and have lots more time coverage then a 1 nation server.
2nd. USA / ASIAN / EU / AUSSIES decide for themsevles where and how to play.
USA on EU ladders ? good game they want 24/7 WvW going, dont like it ? find more off peak guilds for your server or join a server that have off peak coverage.
3trd. Congruatiolations Desolation with wiping off Vizunah Sqaure from the crown.
1. You are forgetting something: we decided to Play on a national Server in Europe (FR/DE/SP are still a Part of it) to compete against other Europeans.
2. USA on EU-Servers want what? 24/7 WvW? Just to make it clear: NA-Guilds formerly playing on NA-Servers didnt had enough Enemies in their Main-Times, so they switched to EU-Servers to compete against… what? Our Doors? How Brave they must be!
You said it yourself: it´s an Off-Peak-WvW for them. They dont have to Fear that somebody would Stop them in Capping all Points. Again: HOW BRAVE!
3. Desolation whipping off VS… Really? “Oh look VS! We are better than you because we kicked your A** while you have been sleeping!”
Just take a look how Deso made their Points. In the EU-Maintime they had to Fight and WHOOPS! It doesnt look that Good for them. But in the EU-Night… When nobody is there… I can hear Deso-Players scream: “YAY! Free Points!”
I have no Problem with Nightcapping. Its a part of the Game.
BUT: Let the Nichtcappers be from Europe! If they do it, i know that they had to stand Up (or stay Up) in the Night. They have to sacrifice their Sleeping Time to do that. Thats something i can accept, even more: i admire that! They are showing their Will to do more for their Server.
NA-Guilds doing that while we are sleeping? As tough as stealing a Cookie from a Baby…
DerCosinus; Miller´s Sound (EU-DE)
1) It was always obvious that the EU/NA tags were just there as reference. Nothing prevented EU/NA/… people from joining the other one.
2) Being able to compete in a high tier without having queues could be a reason.
3) Looking at the score I’d say Desolation was fairly close to VS even during the “day”.
Judging from the devs comment ladders will stay separate and I doubt we’ll see IP based bans.
Does Ruin pay you everytime you speak about an unfair 2v1 ?
Let me remember what Mike Ferguson said : “Two teams can gang up to counter a more dominant third team, a dynamic that simply isn’t possible with only two opposing factions.”
And i guess you were a “more dominant thid team” because of your Na nightcappers.
About the losing scoreline, i gave you the link, just look it.
And it wasn’t off the cuff insults, it was irony.
Edit:
@ Killan
I didnt say we would have crushed you, i said we would have won. This is a big difference.
And if you read closely statistics you will see we beat u in day. (15:01 5 November for instance)
But you lost.
Good to see that the number 1 was dethroned. Looks like the next EU T1 fight will be interesting.
Sorry if I misunderstood but my reply was based on your earlier posts:
“or we can just play like before, between EU, problem solved for everybody ….” & “EU is designed to be separated, so keep it technically separated !”
Maybe you should express yourself a bit more clearly.
its not a nightpresence, it’s a day presence on the other side of the world
it’s not 20 people sleeping late ( by the way a lot of other servers had the same nightpresence) , but 100+ organised
it’s not people who want fights in WvW but just don’t find anymore ennemies, it’s people who come on EU ladder to bash doors on PURPOSE , for an easy win and to destroy the purpose of EU ladder in general , when they can have fights on their own timezone if they wanted challenge.
i don’t call that improvement.
Your point is moot.
If you were getting an advantage because of “nightcapping” before and now are matched against a server that has an NA presence you’re not going to get sympathy from anyone.
IP banning is not a solution. Come up with something that wouldn’t get you your advantage back and maybe we will listen.
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North American players have nothing to do on the European servers.
And Russian players should have their own server tagged RU, if they are sufficiently numerous.
The EU has always been nothing more then a location tag. You should have learned that during the first month when NA was complaining.
Then move to a non-FR server? Move down a tier? Try and figure out a way to communicate with non-FR people? Complaining won’t get you anywhere.
Don’t start complaining about getting “night-capped” when your server was one of the worst offenders in the EU bracket. I doubt you will get a lot of sympathy on these boards.
This problem just happen to bother at least the 50% of EU ladder that are on localized servers, that’s 25% of the game players
But what the hell, we are just EU players, and US probably don’t give a kitten about EU
And of those 25% only a small fraction plays wvw and of that small fraction there’s an even smaller fraction complaining.
Well it looks like you’re never going to get my point and I’m not going to get yours.
There is a small possibility that ArenaNet will change what’s currently in place but I doubt they will. There simply isn’t enough people bothered by this and chances are an even more would be inconvenienced by forcibly splitting out the population. Us EU people are not special, hope you start realizing that.
I never saw the reason for having EU/NA brackets if it was supposed to be a 24/7 game. I never see a reason for splitting up the population by language. But for some reason that’s what the population expects and now you’re complaining about a privilege.
If anything, ask for your own FR bracket. I’m sure a lot less people would object to that. You wouldn’t have to leave your ghetto at all.
So the EU “nightcapping” servers are complaining about getting “nightcapped”?!
Check the sticky on this very forum, in there ArenaNet states very clearly that it’s a 24/7 game. WvW is a coverage game, you can’t blame people for trying to get their coverage fixed. If NA guilds want to give EU servers a shot, let them have the possibility. More competition is always great.
If you rolled on a FR, SP, DE server you joined it for the community, it was an option and you chose that option. And now you’re complaining over an option you got?
As many other Europeans my first language is not English and it’s not one of the options for a server. I’m not too bothered by this either as it’s what I’m used to and it’s generally more fun to play with people from all over. You had the option and you made your choice.
Lets rephrase the question like this: the people that are in EU and are not playing standard EU hours are a problem too? Having US players is no different then having a big off peak community and seems a reasonable way to improve your servers coverage.
On NA you have people playing from all over the world. The main reason that hasn’t happened on EU is because people are worried about latency. If EU servers are indeed located at the same datacenter as the NA ones and that had been known before then more non-EU players might have joined EU servers.
I am not sure why you’re complaining, you got your language servers and decided to play on them. There is an even bigger population that does not have English as a primary language and plays on general servers because they don’t have any other option.
Be happy that it’s easy to find people that speak the same language be joining an FR, DE, SP server. If you don’t like how this impacts your wvw/international presence then go play a server that does not have that restriction.
So you’re not using catapults behind doors? I see everyone using and it wasn’t intended either but to be honest it makes defending towers quite a bit easier.
Just learn to coordinate, mindless zerging isn’t going to and shouldn’t work.
Yes, why change. The current zerg and hope you see your opponents first meta is a lot more fun.
On a more serious note, some guilds from SBI are saying it’s already been countered., it might be worth checking with them. You can always organize a different non turtle defense if it doesn’t suit your playstyle.
If this game would be played in the same way all the time it would get old pretty fast. A bit of change from time to time is never bad.
This is just a tad bit fallacious. To say that a little change never hurts is too general to be true. It would be a change if suddenly everyone in WvW became a pink pony, does that mean it would be good? Stacking is a change, but what does it bring that is positive? Does it add to the fun of WvW? I don’t know, for me it severely decreases the fun and is in fact bad. I like change when it’s good change.
Do other people actually enjoy stacking? This is all just my opinion, but I’d be pretty surprised if there were many people out there who found it enjoyable.
Just curious, but since you think something is bad you’re assuming it’s bad for everybody?
I can’t speak for everybody but I’ve had quite a bit of fun. Guess being on the receiving end is less fun.
Yes, why change. The current zerg and hope you see your opponents first meta is a lot more fun.
On a more serious note, some guilds from SBI are saying it’s already been countered., it might be worth checking with them. You can always organize a different non turtle defense if it doesn’t suit your playstyle.
If this game would be played in the same way all the time it would get old pretty fast. A bit of change from time to time is never bad.
I am not on any of these servers, but it sure does seem like a lot of excuses pop up in every single Wv3 thread when the server that everyone expects to lose starts dominating. “Transfers, hacks, exploits, mesmer bombs, Halloween,” – why not just pony up and fight back?
Every single server is guilty of having a few morons that will hack and ruin part of the match, but good commanders will respect the game and communicate to allow the others to have the hacked orb back.
PVE is not a good thing to blame. If you want to be in the top tiers, you need to make sure you are furnishing with Wv3 players at all times. All 3 of these servers are full, so you can’t really blame lack of numbers. A point deficit can be erased – but completely giving up is a bit silly.
It’s easy to say this as someone looking from the outside who doesn’t see the big picture. BG has hacked more in the past few nights than any other server that we have faced over the previous weeks combined. It’s hard to keep people motivated to play against that garbage. It ruins the spirit of the game and the fun when people resort to cheating. People get fed up and quit.
So I need to start generalizing SBI based on your posts as well? I can honestly understand your frustration but your posts are getting ridiculous.
Look, I am not generalizing when I am simply stating the facts of how many times we have been hacked in the past few days by BG. Of course not every player on BG is hacking and I never said they were. But the facts are the facts.
By someone on BG yes. By BG no. What do you want us to do about it? If you have any suggestions then please let me know. Personally I’d love a week where this wouldn’t happen and we could get past this bs.
Just getting a bit tired of these pointless reposts and having threads closed all the time because of it.
I am not on any of these servers, but it sure does seem like a lot of excuses pop up in every single Wv3 thread when the server that everyone expects to lose starts dominating. “Transfers, hacks, exploits, mesmer bombs, Halloween,” – why not just pony up and fight back?
Every single server is guilty of having a few morons that will hack and ruin part of the match, but good commanders will respect the game and communicate to allow the others to have the hacked orb back.
PVE is not a good thing to blame. If you want to be in the top tiers, you need to make sure you are furnishing with Wv3 players at all times. All 3 of these servers are full, so you can’t really blame lack of numbers. A point deficit can be erased – but completely giving up is a bit silly.
It’s easy to say this as someone looking from the outside who doesn’t see the big picture. BG has hacked more in the past few nights than any other server that we have faced over the previous weeks combined. It’s hard to keep people motivated to play against that garbage. It ruins the spirit of the game and the fun when people resort to cheating. People get fed up and quit.
So I need to start generalizing SBI based on your posts as well? I can honestly understand your frustration but your posts are getting ridiculous.
earlier.. not one of my 12 guild mates in wvw could kill a thief… except the one thief in the guild.. the rest of us just got steamrolled all the exact same way… attack stealth .. attack stealth.. attack stealth
Hint: if you want to troll you should really make it less obvious that you’re trolling :/
Sigh you just don’t win against thieves… Not only they are incredibly annoying to deal with as they spend 90% of the fight invisible, but they got huge mobility and speed which makes them really hard to deal with especially as melee. And even if you win a fight, which at least I can do because it’s the official noob class with a ton of baddies playing, they just run away all the time…
Of course some dumb thieves will say they are squishy, but really they don’t need to be squishy to still deal massive damage and anyway, their squishyness is way countered by all they got.
Personally 90% of a fight in stealth is just a dumb concept. Give us better tab targeting or a view with less zoom so we can at least see them… Or simply fix your dumb kitten Anet.
Oh and stop the censoring already, people are already talking about your bad community management which reminds me I should contact Anet directly to see if this is intended.
Personally I’d say if you’re losing to a baddie thief I’d say you’re a baddie.
But hey, I’m ok with no more stealth if I get the same armor/hp pool as a warrior and some attack that would replace backstab.
