Guild Wars 2

Longbow is a good zerging weapon, but don’t ever expect barrage to hit anything close to meteor shower. I personally think barrage needs a damage buff because it’s really lackluster. Just because it has a cripple it has lower damage than other Aoe’s but the cripple doesn’t compensate for the gap in damage between, say, staff ele aoe’s and barrage’s damage.

On the chance this guy is serious, which is possible because a trap ranger like the one described does have an extremely high amount of condi pressure. However, it’s one of the few builds that is somewhat balanced. I say this because the strongest trap ranger will have no stability or stun breaks. Minimal condi cleanse and very few boons if any. It’s a high risk high reward type of build.

Demus.4571:

There are a lot of people in this thread who don’t seem to know what a periphery is. Comparing a ranger to staff ele? Seriously? Rangers have a utility/elite for stab, a WATER FIELD, 3s stealth on a 12s cooldown, and evades for days. Not to mention that their arrows track through stealth to blow up thieves and mesmers. Rangers can easily survive and get to a periph reset with all this to get smoke/blast or refuge stealth, and now that reset has a water field as well. And a power longbow build will absolutely light up glassy eles and necros.

Staff ele uses magnetic aura. It’s super effective!
Staff ele dodges and attunes in water. It’s super effective!

Prysin.8542:

AdziH.2360:

Like that apart from circle of life as i personally hate traiting for downs. Why not Natures Protection or Strength of Spirit?

Strength of dpirit is nice, but bring little team utility. Natures prot will proc then prot willbe corrupted or stolen, meaning you’re left with a useless trait slot.

Rule nr 1 of zerging: you will go down eventually. Better make that down count.

Another thing is that the healing spring from circle of life heals your downed state instantly, so it would take a ally just 2-3 sec to get you back up, instead of the usual 5-6 sec.

And no, rangers can bring more and better support, but that makes for a less “no brain” build

Wrong. Rule no.1 of zerging is to avoid going down at all costs, because if you rally the enemy, whatever waterfeild you drop won’t compensate for X amount of players getting up for you. Natures protection or strength of spirit would be much better in this case, sure natures protection might get corrupted, but then again, so can every other boon on you, so best not to run anything that gives boons?

The build itself is good for a zerg setting, but if we’re talking about a GvG there is a few things you would want to change. Change circle of life to strength of spirit or natures prot, and also ditch torch for axe or dagger. Might stacking is easy enough without fire fields, and with 200 condi damage, torch will be very weak. Sentinels armour, aside from being ridiculously over-priced, is also hampering yourself. Soldiers, or a soldier/zerk mix would be better for a backline harrassment role.

Lévis.5489:

Ryan.9387:

Anet “buffed” the skill with a 1.5s field. Nobody uses it because it was poorly designed.

More like nobody uses it because ranger have better poison dealing options like Poison Volley, Serpent’s Strike and Stalker’s Strike. Any trapper would take spike trap and frost trap over Viper’s Nest anyday.

If you’re going for an all out damaging trapper build, you would take spike, fire, and vipers along with poison master. Although it’s more of a kill them before they kill you type of build, high risk, but very high reward.

McWolfy.5924:

pets dont have cleave dmg, pets cant fight against multiple targets, pets cant hit moving targets. ele have 90k dmg within a second, thief have 80k. ranger dont have fields or blast finishers or even mass cc. a tanky warrior do the same dmg with hammer as a zerker ranger + cc
somewhy devs think pet is an advantage
(btw ranger will be better as now)

Ranger’s have the best mass CC in the game, so perhaps you should log onto yours again wolfy, because you are making yourself look like a fool.

That being said, to address the main point, the pet is what really limits a ranger in a GvG. It’s X amount of useless damage in a scenario like that. Pets are great, don’t get me wrong, but they won’t get the job done in a GvG. Another issue with ranger is to compare with a thief or mesmer on the backline, they have to sacrifice a lot of survivability, or at least more than a mesmer or thief would. This is coming from somebody who has played a ranger in a GvG, and humbly acknowledges that is not where rangers shine.

Having said that though, to say something like Wolfy did just shown a complete disconnection with reality when it comes to ranger.

I love how everybody worshiped Ins when he was on Deso. They followed him around, pampered him and treated him like a god. Now he’s on another server however and he’s just a blobber who needs 40 banners to save him. It’s funny, nobody on Deso really cared when Ins lead 80 man blobs on his 24 hour pain trains, but I guess this just shows how some people are hollow and don’t mean half of what they say.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

grifflyman.8102:

WvW is a joke, it’s in such a sad state. It’s all karma trians and jumping from one map to the next because most servers can’t field the numbers to have more than one map defended.

So if you see numbers on the map, you flip to a map without them and fight NPC’s. BORING, BORING, BORING.

Fix you’re kittening game Anet.

Funny because I just had 2 hours of mostly epic fights today and I did a lot of roaming too. Very little karma train at all.

As a side note: may the spy working for FA, that destroyed most of our Omegas on FA BL, get what he deserve. Pretty shameful way to play. Specially when your team is leading and have FAR superior numbers.

With all due respect, was it just those two hours where there was remotely even numbers? I noticed you said how one of your enemy servers is outnumbering you and how SOS has a very healthy lead on the third day. Sure you have some fun fights, and so do I in uneven fights, but there is no denying that on the third day of your match, you already have a winner (Unless SOS decides to leave for the week).

Deniara Devious.3948:

I am sorry to hear this. I am quite sure similar behavior is happening on other servers as well. Upleveled, people running wrong gear or failing the dodge the first attacks, will often get called “rallybots”. I can understand the frustration on both sides: somebody new wants to learn the game mode, while a guild doesn’t want enemy to rally from ally who dies too easily. Some of us have sense of humor to even fun of the whole thing and one Desolation player often runs with Rallybot Guild [RG] guild tag. :-)

If there was no visible commander tag, then one can fairly assume it was a closed guild raid. Many closed guild raids don’t welcome outsiders, sometimes not even level 80s. You will have much better luck following very small groups (1-3 players) or somebody who actually has a commander tag on. Getting a character to level 80 is not that difficult. I have done it for all the professions. You will enjoy WvWvW better, as you have access to all traits and the best gear.

I have almost always room in my party and I have no class or level restrictions. And when I have commander tag on, feel free to follow. You can also ask advice for builds and strategies.

Yes, a closed raid at 4 in the morning… TEQ sure does get out early it seems. Desolation is made of puggies. Desolation shouldn’t have an issue with their own upleveled puggies. Desolation has uplevels that are better than level 80’s.

I said Desolation in every sentence so you would understand me, but there really shouldn’t be an issue with uplevels on a server like deso.

Arcades.4689:

Warriors have no way to avoid conditions apart from berserker stance (60 sec cd).
That means that without CI/bow, you’ll get wrecked by any condi build able to kite or blind spam you. You’re a melee animal, and In a teamfight you’ll end up dead as soon as a condi necro/ranger/engi shows up.
I’m pretty sure that even a condi guardian could steamroll a war without CI and/or longbow.

You guys cry all day “warriors have so much damage and survivability!” “this meta is full of bunkers!”, and then you don’t want to make zerker builds viable.

You just want warriors to have no condition cleansing, no vigor, no invulnerability skills, no mobility and weak dps. I’m pretty sure this isn’t balance.

Warriors have some of the best condition cleansing is you spec for it, only thing is, when you spec for the condi cleanse, it limits what offensive traits you can take. A shout warrior with soldier runes for example, has no problem with conditions, at all, however it’s not the best 1v1 or 1v2 build out there.

Deso is made up of like, 70% pugs, and even some of the guilds on deso are just pugs with the same guild tag. I’m surprised and not surprised at the same time. Considering it was 4am and that’s when deso PVDoors the enemy, having an upleveled really isn’t an issue, considering that’s what the majority of players do when it’s just PVD, it’s good experience. If it was a closed guild raid then that would be something different, but again, it was 4am and it was just morning capping the enemy, having a lowbie doesn’t really make a difference.. =p

Bryzy.2719:

warriorjrd.8695:

Prysin.8542:

Bryzy.2719:

Prysin.8542:

Bryzy.2719:

I’m guessing one of the first things many Rangers will be doing is whipping out their full zerker builds, popping on Read the Wind for the 10% attack speed increase, popping quickening zephyr and then hitting rapid fire.

A combined attack speed increase of 60% (RtW + QZ) on top of a 2.5 second normal cast time for rapid fire makes that an unload time of exactly 1 second. Am…am I calculating this correctly or am I missing something (I am pretty tired)? Because this sounds like exactly what I’ve been dreaming of. Timed just right after the longbow knockback skill 4 this could potentially be devastating…

add +25% damage from signet of the wild and you get around 12-15k damage in 1.25 seconds to a glassy target @ 1500 range. Enjoy the terror of dealing with that. Sure it will only work every 48 seconds, but that is all you need…

I can almost hear the echoes of “OMFG NEEERRRRFFF” from the other profession forums already.

Well, it does all look delicious on paper but in practice it all may pan out slightly differently than we were expecting. I guess we’ll have to wait and see when the update arrives.

i have been running glassbow ranger in PvP for weeks now. It works fine. Yes you require some help from time to time. But moment of clarity + LB is just godlike. Now i can equip signets and use THE BEST elite ever…. there is nothing better for a power ranger then entangle (instant CC is always a life saver)… all i need to do is use entangle -> LR -> rapid fire…. They got nowhere to hide from it, they gotta eat a whole burst. And last but not least, i get a much much much better survival rate. Mainly because i get passive healing from signet.

inb4 reflect and you eat the burst instead

Lols, I’ve seen some mesmers talking about keeping Feedback in their utilities specifically to deal with this… but god they’ll have to time it exactly right because if we can spec for a rapid fire burst of around 1 second then it’s gonna be brutal

Yeah it will be hard to do, but I have seen so many rangers just completely ignore the fact they are literally shooting themselves in face and are simply determined to finish that rapid fire. There will be plenty of the bad cannon fodder rangers to make those mesmers laugh. Not just mesmer either, but when I play staff ele in wvw, magnetic aura always catches tons of rangers off guard. Idk what it is, but it’s always arrows hitting me when I have the reflect up, never spells, something about rangers attracts players who never cancel their skills, and just auto attack no matter what =p

Prysin.8542:

Bryzy.2719:

Prysin.8542:

Bryzy.2719:

I’m guessing one of the first things many Rangers will be doing is whipping out their full zerker builds, popping on Read the Wind for the 10% attack speed increase, popping quickening zephyr and then hitting rapid fire.

A combined attack speed increase of 60% (RtW + QZ) on top of a 2.5 second normal cast time for rapid fire makes that an unload time of exactly 1 second. Am…am I calculating this correctly or am I missing something (I am pretty tired)? Because this sounds like exactly what I’ve been dreaming of. Timed just right after the longbow knockback skill 4 this could potentially be devastating…

add +25% damage from signet of the wild and you get around 12-15k damage in 1.25 seconds to a glassy target @ 1500 range. Enjoy the terror of dealing with that. Sure it will only work every 48 seconds, but that is all you need…

I can almost hear the echoes of “OMFG NEEERRRRFFF” from the other profession forums already.

Well, it does all look delicious on paper but in practice it all may pan out slightly differently than we were expecting. I guess we’ll have to wait and see when the update arrives.

i have been running glassbow ranger in PvP for weeks now. It works fine. Yes you require some help from time to time. But moment of clarity + LB is just godlike. Now i can equip signets and use THE BEST elite ever…. there is nothing better for a power ranger then entangle (instant CC is always a life saver)… all i need to do is use entangle -> LR -> rapid fire…. They got nowhere to hide from it, they gotta eat a whole burst. And last but not least, i get a much much much better survival rate. Mainly because i get passive healing from signet.

inb4 reflect and you eat the burst instead

Eurantien.4632:

I’ve never hit a 17k rapid fire.

And it’s only possible to do that fully specced for damage leaving no form of defense available, and even then it’s a stretch. Whereas a warrior can dish out 100b and reach 17k before it’s even half way done if it ran full glass, while still being tankier than the ranger.. Warriors really have no right to complain atm, especially if they are going to try and complain about rangers.

McWolfy.5924:

You gain 2 gifts after complete the explorer things.
What if 1 thingy after pve and one after wvw exploring? I think a lot of wvw players could make legendary after that

Yeah but if you actually play WvW routinely and not just to get map comp, WvWer’s would have one on every alt in no time

Chaba.5410:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.

But of course if one of your objectives on that map were to get attacked and you lost it, you would still be here crying.

This comment shows that you have not bothered to understand anything written here.

Well correct me if I’m wrong, but the problem here is that GvG’s take up otherwise “useful” spots creating a queue, and as a result you can’t defend objectives. Or is it something else now that GvG’s cause? All of that can happen on any borderland, so the suggestion of doing it on the third border, can have the exact same effect as if you did it on any other border, or at least create the same problems you are whining about. Unless the only border you actually care about is home border, then of course doing it on any other map would be beneficial to you, EB, or the other two borders. However, assuming you have some form of presence in all the maps, and own a keep, if you lost that and there was a GvG on the map, I guarantee you would still be on the forums crying about it.

displayname.8315:

nearlight.3064:

Sometimes, my guild will have GvG practice nights in EBG, where we only run with 15 people that are on the GvG team or backups for it and we work on basic strategies like movement, recovery, and coordinating bombs and whatnot. During these nights, which are only once or twice per week, we fight other guilds we come across in open field and don’t actively siege other structures, unless theres a lot of guilds in SM trying to take it, we might go there to fight them. Do you view this as a problem too? And typically its on weeknights where little to no queue exists on SoS NA for EBG anyway.

And also OP, what would you suggest that guilds do when the OS is in use? Just wait until its available? And considering we’re in T2 servers where most GvGs happen, thats unrealistic as 30 people (15 each side) can’t really be available for GvGs all night waiting their “turn” at the OS.

It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.

But of course if one of your objectives on that map were to get attacked and you lost it, you would still be here crying.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

You’re trying to argue now that WvW has no PvP in it simply because it isn’t called PvP. That’s the worst argument on this entire thread so far. WvW revolves around players fighting other players genious. I actually can’t believe you would try and argue WvW isn’t PvP, that just really goes to show how limited your grasp of reality is.

You one of those no seige meta people huh? Last I played we all tried to take keeps and fought much seige, many doors, and lotsa PvE. A few people when they don’t run away too.

Yeah it’s a mix of the two, but to say it isn’t PvP because it’s called WvW is beyond stupid.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

You’re trying to argue now that WvW has no PvP in it simply because it isn’t called PvP. That’s the worst argument on this entire thread so far. WvW revolves around players fighting other players genious. I actually can’t believe you would try and argue WvW isn’t PvP, that just really goes to show how limited your grasp of reality is.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

My example was giving you a perspective you would understand to show that your request was selfish, and yes had I actually meant it, it would have been a selfish request from me as well. If you’re going to keep using the game mode as your main argument that GvGers are in the wrong I might as well play along, considering you are incapable of using any other argument. When a GvG guild is not GvGing they are a very valuable asset on the battlefield when it comes to PPT. They can fight better than pug blobs meaning they have an easier time defending and taking things. They often succeed where others fail. So let’s allow your “sharpest sword” to have some fun once in a while, because they make up for your small inconvenience by playing the PPT game the rest of the time.

Selfishness was not your initial point it was my logic and argument that you said fell flat. Also, I already told you that “I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit”.

As for your GvGers being a valuable asset, I fear you have missed the entire point of it all. It never was about winning or loosing at the end of the week, but about not putting others in a position were they can’t play or help when they could and would otherwise have. Can we please stop with the straw man already? What do I care that your “leet” guild save the day in the long run if it can mean we can’t play when there is GvG? I want to participate into my server’s efforts. If I win because of it it’s great, but I prefer loosing while being able to try helping than not being able to play and being saved in extremist by our so called “sharpest swords” (by whose standard btw?).

I wasn’t the one who said your arguments fell flat. But from what I’m getting you’re main issue is the fact you can’t get in the borderland because of a queue. Well if that’s the case, all I can say is, wait your turn.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

snip
…

Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

Now I’m selfish… I was expecting you to explain what part of my argument fell flat. I guess I won’t hold my breath. BTW. I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit. Also, if I’m selfish for saying the exact same thing you told me, what does that make you?

I gave that as an example, do you even read before you post? And yes it’s selfish to expect those who don’t play the same way as you to just leave, when they have just as much right as you do to be there.

My point, since you missed it, was that your “example” is not supporting what you say it does. There are no contradiction in what I’ve said. I only add a frame to that freedom. A frame that is there anyway at that and that is called WvW and is won with points and uses structures and sieges. In other words, the game as a puck included in it whether you like it or not. As for me being selfish, you therefore agree that you were selfish too to tell me to go somewhere where PPT was king right? Right?

My example was giving you a perspective you would understand to show that your request was selfish, and yes had I actually meant it, it would have been a selfish request from me as well. If you’re going to keep using the game mode as your main argument that GvGers are in the wrong I might as well play along, considering you are incapable of using any other argument. When a GvG guild is not GvGing they are a very valuable asset on the battlefield when it comes to PPT. They can fight better than pug blobs meaning they have an easier time defending and taking things. They often succeed where others fail. So let’s allow your “sharpest sword” to have some fun once in a while, because they make up for your small inconvenience by playing the PPT game the rest of the time.

Zetsumei.4975:

lol warriorjrd I feel for you man, can’t imagine how frustrating the lack of intelligence in this thread is for you

The frustration is quickly turning to pity as I realize these people lack and ability to understand common sense.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

snip
…

Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

Now I’m selfish… I was expecting you to explain what part of my argument fell flat. I guess I won’t hold my breath. BTW. I wasn’t telling you to go to another server. I was merely opening your dichotomic world a bit. Also, if I’m selfish for saying the exact same thing you told me, what does that make you?

I gave that as an example, do you even read before you post? And yes it’s selfish to expect those who don’t play the same way as you to just leave, when they have just as much right as you do to be there.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

snip
…

Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

Aaaand this is where you’re whole argument falls flat. You keep going on about logic but are unable to see the direct contradiction in what you’re touting. You have a choice, transfer to a server where PPT is the utmost goal or deal with the fact that you can’t change what people care about. Trying to act like others are “taking up space” and deliberately obstructing your fun by doing their own thing that does not-does not, let me say it again, does not involve you and and likening it to situations where people directly set out to interfere in others’ activities(via a gvg troll guild) is self important to say the least.

I’m sorry but what kind of false dichotomy is this? My choices are a lot more than what you pretend and you also have these options too. One of these options was to discuss the matter, and I did. Another that was used to illustrate just how absurd the “anything goes” argument was is also another choice that I of course won’t use…

I’m not “trying to act like others are taking up space”, I state a fact. They are taking server space that can sometimes have a negative impact Like it or not it is a fact. I also can’t talked about how others view all this, I can only speak for myself. Sorry if that sounds too self-important. btw I never said it was anyone’s goal to have a negative impact on the “other” way to play the game. I know it’s a collateral impact of the GvG popularity. But it doesn’t change a kitten thing about anything that has been discussed.

I will also point out that none of what you say above explain how my argument falls flat. Beside, like I said before, wouldn’t it be FAR more intelligent to move GvG to a low pop server? Wouldn’t it minimize the risk of stepping on anybodies toes?

See there you go again with suggestions that don’t involve you because you’re selfish. Suggesting GvG guilds transfer to a low pop server is just like me telling you to transfer to a server with no queues so that you will always be able to defend your precious objectives. GvG guilds don’t only GvG, they want your pug blobs to farm as well, otherwise how else will we pay for all the bling bling and hip new fashions?

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Great logic again! Because all fights are played the same way each times and your opponents never adapt. Yeah, I too have held huge zergs at bay with well placed sieges and good cooperation. But you know what? There is a lot of things you don’t control in this chaos and I also experimented the opposite of being part of the larger force being wiped by the better playing opponent.

Stop minimizing all your opponent is saying and start being honest with yourself a bit.

Dude… just leave the topic already, you bring nothing logical forward, only constant babbling. A GvG doesn’t even take up half of the map population, and if it’s queued that give you more than 50% to deal with. If you cant defend a waypointed objective with that force, you probably wouldn’t do any better even if that guild wasn’t GvGing. You’re supposed to be able to defend T3 objective outnumbered, so do it and stop crying.

And can you all stop pretending this happens every 10 minutes. GvG’s happen somewhat frequently depending where you play, yet there aren’t complaints every time somebody GvG’s. Mostly because when they do happen they are in OS. Having a proper GvG in a bl in an anomaly these days, i’ve already explained that to you but you seem to ignore that fact.

I’m going to say it one last time. Guilds always try and GvG in OS. If they don’t GvG there, it’s because they CAN’T. So unfortunately, on the rare chance two GvG’s are happening simultaneously, you are going to be slightly shorthanded on 1 border, for less than 2 hours. One time, one border, less than two hours, in a matchup that lasts 168 hours. 0.8% of the matchup time is affected by this GvG that lasts less than two hours. And because "im not in T2 NA’ it’s 2% when this GvG lasts 4 hours.

So tell me again how big of an issue this is.

Speaking of irony… why don’t you follow your own advice? The “logic” you bring forward is that having 20, 50, or 80% more potential people is irrelevant to repelling attacks to defend important objectives… I’m still trying to figure that one out.

Beside, WHO and WHEN has ANYBODY ever said it was happening all the time? Take your time and quote me (or someone else in thread) plz. I even explicitly said the opposite of what you say we have said. I will repeat it again, it has happened (not always far from it) and with the trend I see on T2 it won’t get better soon.

If I have sometimes felt the need to be vocal on the topic it’s because we were, SOMETIMES, needlessly left with a way shorter end of the stick than what you try to paint.

I know you never said it, but what you say implies that GvG routinely interferes with your game play. If this is a once in a blue moon kind of thing then there really is no need to get all fussed. Next you’re going to want everybody who isn’t on tag to leave the map when a keep is under attack. You just can’t accept that people like the play the game differently from you do. If these GvG guilds left your server, and I mean all of them, your server would probably drop a tier or two. People like you seem to forget how useful a skilled GvG team can be, simply because they take up your queue spots at an inconvenient time.

You know what I don’t like? Massive blob fights in objectives that lag out the entire map and make it unplayable. If I’m roaming I can’t play when there are 140 in sm pushing the servers an inch close to explosion. Yet, I don’t complain, because I know people find those kind of fights fun, or they find the thought of defending/attacking an objective fun. I accept people like to only fight with AC’s and blobs, and I don’t care when they do. I accept the fact, nothing I say will ever change their minds about how they play the game, so I suggest you accept that fact too.

ITheNormalPerson.9275:

Deniara Devious.3948:

-snip-

you might want to re-read the post, jussayin’

I don’t have too much advice, being someone who only played on FoW for a decent amount of time, but I’d say you’d probably want to look a biiit higher than that. either high bronze or low silver. FoW generally had commanders but very little in the “people” department (granted I played really early EU time, but usually it was 1-2 commanders and like 10 people tops)

if anyone who plays bronze tier eu and feels like calling me an idiot feel free, as my sig suggests, I don’t play there anymore

Denaria doesn’t read, it just replies with an advertisement for desolation, no matter what the post is about.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Great logic again! Because all fights are played the same way each times and your opponents never adapt. Yeah, I too have held huge zergs at bay with well placed sieges and good cooperation. But you know what? There is a lot of things you don’t control in this chaos and I also experimented the opposite of being part of the larger force being wiped by the better playing opponent.

Stop minimizing all your opponent is saying and start being honest with yourself a bit.

Dude… just leave the topic already, you bring nothing logical forward, only constant babbling. A GvG doesn’t even take up half of the map population, and if it’s queued that give you more than 50% to deal with. If you cant defend a waypointed objective with that force, you probably wouldn’t do any better even if that guild wasn’t GvGing. You’re supposed to be able to defend T3 objective outnumbered, so do it and stop crying.

And can you all stop pretending this happens every 10 minutes. GvG’s happen somewhat frequently depending where you play, yet there aren’t complaints every time somebody GvG’s. Mostly because when they do happen they are in OS. Having a proper GvG in a bl in an anomaly these days, i’ve already explained that to you but you seem to ignore that fact.

I’m going to say it one last time. Guilds always try and GvG in OS. If they don’t GvG there, it’s because they CAN’T. So unfortunately, on the rare chance two GvG’s are happening simultaneously, you are going to be slightly shorthanded on 1 border, for less than 2 hours. One time, one border, less than two hours, in a matchup that lasts 168 hours. 0.8% of the matchup time is affected by this GvG that lasts less than two hours. And because "im not in T2 NA’ it’s 2% when this GvG lasts 4 hours.

So tell me again how big of an issue this is.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

We’ve all taken out blobs with a single superior arrowcart at some point.. kitten is a little more challenging then that. Unless you get lucky with a pve heavy zerg.

So get some magic find boosters and boost you’re luck. Build more siege and spam that waypoint when shes uncontested. T1 tactix m8, get with it.

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

Chaba.5410:

warriorjrd.8695:

You act like GvG’s happen all the time, and last for 4 hours each.

And you’re not in NA T2.

Well I didn’t know the new rounds consisted of best of 27. Wtf is a 4 hour GvG? The fights don’t take that long, unless they have a 20 minute break between each round and discuss what went wrong, they simply don’t take that long.

displayname.8315:

pdavis.8031:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

pdavis.8031:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Wait, I’m confused. You don’t mind that people are playing how they want, you don’t mind they are having fun, but their way of having fun is interfering with your fun and would like them to take it elsewhere because of queing issues? I’m just trying to understand your point…

Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

However I would say that GvG even in BLs would actually be helpful. They are specially quipped and trained to deal with zergs. So instead why not work WITH them? If they are intercepting zergs, other guilds or not, you can go and take points. Gather a point capturing group and go cap points while the GvGers deal with the other zergs/GvGers? If the enemy zerg is occupied, they aren’t capping points, or defending, making it easier for your group to capture them. It seems that in general you are upset, not about server ques, but that others aren’t playing how you expect them to. Go get a commander tag, and organize WITH the GvGers and go do what you have fun doing. And in the end everyone wins.

Oh for crying out loud will you ppl learn to read…

The point is they won’t try to intercept any zerg at all. In fact if you so much as approach the sacred zone where GvG is “hosted” you will swiftly be told to go away and mind your own business. Woe to anyone who would drop a meteor in the middle of it… As if the enemy being a hitable target with capping potential was not “my business” in that context.

I bolded the part wherein the confusion lies. You don’t mind how people play how they want as long as they play for the score. It’s a major contradiction. You’re saying (my intreptation) that you can do whatever, BUT it must be according to how you believe it should be done.

Also as far as guilds telling you off, it may have been your approach. Based on this thread, I can only assume it came across as hostile. Something along the lines of “If you aren’t going to cap points, then take your GvG elsewhere.” I would suggest, again, maybe working with them instead of against them. Maybe something like “Hey, I get you are doing your GvG thing, and thats fine, but would you consider also running zerg interferance when you are finished? It would really help our server out and maybe we can win this one.” Out of the larger guilds I’ve encountered, the leaders (who would likely be heading up such events anyway) aren’t general kittens, and are actually very reasonable people who might respond in kind.

Well, to retake my hockey game analogy, as long as you play the puck and ultimately help it get closer to the goal in a respectful way I don’t mind if you choose to escort Dolyak, repair stuff, zerg, roam or whatever new innovative, but in line with the spirit of the game, way you think of. It’s when the number of ppl who refuse to play the puck become so great that I’m starting to feel like the game is being hijacked.

So large scale battles as a guild, vs another guild, is not in the spirit of WvW? But zerging to a point, capping it, zerging to the next point, capping it, ad infinitfum, while an enemy zerg (or 2) follow behind and retake those same points is? While I can see why you would be frustrated while a GvG is going on and messing up the map que, you have to remember that the same thing is happening on the opposing server. If there is a guild fielding say 100 people for GvG, that leaves 50 others to do whatever. Same with the opposing server, if they are fielding 100 GvGers, then they only have 50 to do whatever. Why not take advantage of it? Theres a much smaller chance of running into a large zerg, so you can quietly and quickly take multiple camps/towers/etc. while the GvG is going on. Then when it’s finished, people come back on and Hey!! you already have half the map claimed! And now you can rain hurt upon the enemy.

Don’t forget there is a 3rd server that can enter the BL and they have a perfecly free queue to fill and zerg down everything while the core WvW players are trying to get in to defend. Which is what happened in the case of FA.

You act like GvG’s happen all the time, and last for 4 hours each. The amount of time it takes to do a GvG and the amount of spots that guild takes up, is really an incredibly minuscule issue to complain about. Especially when you take into account everything a GvG guild does when they aren’t GvGing, it makes up for whatever losses you have when they are.

Jeez, this thread is still alive. I though it was pretty much finished yesterday, but I guess not. Wasn’t the OP “Done” now too, I recall him saying that maybe 3 or four times, yet he still thinks he can make a valid point by replying. Just end it. I though I summed it up quite nicely when I said “There is literally nothing you could ever do about it, so don’t waste your breath”, but I guess the message wasn’t received.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I beleive when the OP says it was a major guild and they were the only zerg on map they should tag up for the sake of their server. I agree but alot of guilds don’t see it that way it seems.

You buy a tag and lead everybody then. You can’t just expect people to lead simply because they are there, apparently them not wanting to isn’t a good enough reason for you.

I suppose we have different ideas of what a WvW guild is all about. If your commanding and your the major/only force available to lead you might think about tagging up. Maybe it was a pve guild roleplaying or one of the “fights” guilds who don’t care. idk

Read what Ragnar said, he essentially ended this thread with that comment there. Read it, and think about it.

I read what Ragnar wrote. He calls for the militia to command the server. I was under the impression that the WvW guilds of each server ran things.. Is that not the case on each servers website? Do they not want to command? Most servers that play to win organzie tag up times on their websites. They have the rally times of guilds posted and often make sure someone is leading the militia.

You’re still labouring under delusion that a guild is obligated to tag up just because there is nobody else on the map. Nobody is obligated to do anything in wvw. You are so self-righteous and arrogant to think that guilds who don’t play a similar style as you do hurt the server, and they should tag up when they run on a map. It really is disgusting and has gone beyond a mere difference of opinions now. To think that you could see nothing wrong with forcing people to tag up when they may not want to, regardless of the situation on the map, is shocking really. Like I said earlier, buy a bloody tag and lead. Then and only then will you even have the right to discuss others being obligated to tag up. You are just as capable as they are, so stop being so selfish and self-righteous and do something other than spew nonsense on these forums.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I beleive when the OP says it was a major guild and they were the only zerg on map they should tag up for the sake of their server. I agree but alot of guilds don’t see it that way it seems.

You buy a tag and lead everybody then. You can’t just expect people to lead simply because they are there, apparently them not wanting to isn’t a good enough reason for you.

I suppose we have different ideas of what a WvW guild is all about. If your commanding and your the major/only force available to lead you might think about tagging up. Maybe it was a pve guild roleplaying or one of the “fights” guilds who don’t care. idk

Read what Ragnar said, he essentially ended this thread with that comment there. Read it, and think about it.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

atheria.2837:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I honestly think that you guys are just overreacting to this. GvGing is only about 15-25 people max on a server. They don’t take up a full map queue. Where the other 60-90 people on the bl are not the GvG guilds fault, so stop blaming it on them.

Apparently you haven’t seen the youtube videos of masses of 35-40 on each side – making all other play on any map almost impossible.

That comment just shows how little you know about the GvG scene. 35-40 on each side? Are you for real? You might be able to show me one video, and that would probably be the only time it’s happened. It’s good to know that the people who are against GvG’s, don’t know a thing about it.

Yeah we know how GvG’s work, their whole guilds rolls down there, 20 of them fight the other 20 watch and message their friends to come watch

That’s still less than half of the player cap per side. I have yet to see a valid issue presented by anybody here.

Less than half.. yes nearly half a map queue for a GvG to take place, then you have to account for fans and friends of the guilds, and that altho a server does not run queues on a specific map they can quickly queue if defending properly.

Yes, well lets just assume this and assume that. We should also assume when people don’t GvG they just sit at spawn and don’t do anything. It’s foolish to think that after their one hour GvG they do anything related to what you would consider proper. In fact, these guilds probably only enter WvW to do these GvG’s, once they are done, they just leave!

Trust me, I have watched more GvG’s than you have, and very rarely do they attract numbers even remotely close to what you are suggesting. In fact, the only time I have seen GvG’s attract similar numbers to what you think happens all the time, is when the top guilds face each other, and those only happen in OS. So not only does it essentially never happen, but when it does, you probably don’t even know about.

I really find it funny when people think GvG has such a large impact on the “proper” way WvW is supposed to be played. When these GvG guilds most likely play WvW more than they do, and due to their discipline, coordination, and experience, they would have a much easier time taking out the attacking blob than you would. Every single GvG guild I know, has taken objectives during their raids, and played this PPT game. So please, stop over exaggerating an already non-existent issue and just play the bloody game, however you find fun.

IF you don’t think it messes things up you don’t play primetime on a high teir server.
Sure WvW is basically dead at times other than primetime unless your on one of those 4 servers with non-american populations. kitten primetime no way that won’t kill the queues.

I play on Seafarer’s Rest, and before that, Desolation. If you are unfamiliar with their standings, please, don’t hesitate to look them up. I have played in T1 for the majority of my WvW experience, and despite that, my previous statement still stands…

displayname.8315:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I beleive when the OP says it was a major guild and they were the only zerg on map they should tag up for the sake of their server. I agree but alot of guilds don’t see it that way it seems.

You buy a tag and lead everybody then. You can’t just expect people to lead simply because they are there, apparently them not wanting to isn’t a good enough reason for you.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

atheria.2837:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I honestly think that you guys are just overreacting to this. GvGing is only about 15-25 people max on a server. They don’t take up a full map queue. Where the other 60-90 people on the bl are not the GvG guilds fault, so stop blaming it on them.

Apparently you haven’t seen the youtube videos of masses of 35-40 on each side – making all other play on any map almost impossible.

That comment just shows how little you know about the GvG scene. 35-40 on each side? Are you for real? You might be able to show me one video, and that would probably be the only time it’s happened. It’s good to know that the people who are against GvG’s, don’t know a thing about it.

Yeah we know how GvG’s work, their whole guilds rolls down there, 20 of them fight the other 20 watch and message their friends to come watch

That’s still less than half of the player cap per side. I have yet to see a valid issue presented by anybody here.

Less than half.. yes nearly half a map queue for a GvG to take place, then you have to account for fans and friends of the guilds, and that altho a server does not run queues on a specific map they can quickly queue if defending properly.

Yes, well lets just assume this and assume that. We should also assume when people don’t GvG they just sit at spawn and don’t do anything. It’s foolish to think that after their one hour GvG they do anything related to what you would consider proper. In fact, these guilds probably only enter WvW to do these GvG’s, once they are done, they just leave!

Trust me, I have watched more GvG’s than you have, and very rarely do they attract numbers even remotely close to what you are suggesting. In fact, the only time I have seen GvG’s attract similar numbers to what you think happens all the time, is when the top guilds face each other, and those only happen in OS. So not only does it essentially never happen, but when it does, you probably don’t even know about.

I really find it funny when people think GvG has such a large impact on the “proper” way WvW is supposed to be played. When these GvG guilds most likely play WvW more than they do, and due to their discipline, coordination, and experience, they would have a much easier time taking out the attacking blob than you would. Every single GvG guild I know, has taken objectives during their raids, and played this PPT game. So please, stop over exaggerating an already non-existent issue and just play the bloody game, however you find fun.

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

atheria.2837:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I honestly think that you guys are just overreacting to this. GvGing is only about 15-25 people max on a server. They don’t take up a full map queue. Where the other 60-90 people on the bl are not the GvG guilds fault, so stop blaming it on them.

Apparently you haven’t seen the youtube videos of masses of 35-40 on each side – making all other play on any map almost impossible.

That comment just shows how little you know about the GvG scene. 35-40 on each side? Are you for real? You might be able to show me one video, and that would probably be the only time it’s happened. It’s good to know that the people who are against GvG’s, don’t know a thing about it.

Yeah we know how GvG’s work, their whole guilds rolls down there, 20 of them fight the other 20 watch and message their friends to come watch

That’s still less than half of the player cap per side. I have yet to see a valid issue presented by anybody here.

atheria.2837:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I honestly think that you guys are just overreacting to this. GvGing is only about 15-25 people max on a server. They don’t take up a full map queue. Where the other 60-90 people on the bl are not the GvG guilds fault, so stop blaming it on them.

Apparently you haven’t seen the youtube videos of masses of 35-40 on each side – making all other play on any map almost impossible.

That comment just shows how little you know about the GvG scene. 35-40 on each side? Are you for real? You might be able to show me one video, and that would probably be the only time it’s happened. It’s good to know that the people who are against GvG’s, don’t know a thing about it.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

So wait, they’re ruining your gameplay, by not playing with you? They’re not hampering you, they just choose to exclude themselves from activities you care about.

No and no.

1) They aren’t ruining my game play, they might ruin the game play of like minded people like me for whom the game was designed as opposed to say, people who would like to make emote contest in SM just because…

2) They ARE hampering others on the server if they take space. Sorry, but that is reality. If they were excluding themselves they wouldn’t be on the server.

I’ve got the feeling all I say will be badly twisted to avoid the real issue.

Oh don’t try and pull this “the way the game was designed” card. It’s old, and holds no weight in your argument. Even Anet tried interrupting a GvG, which didn’t end so well on their part. Like I said, WvW consists of both PPT and fights. Just because some people have clued in that PPT is 90% of the time pointless and boring, and you haven’t, doesn’t mean they aren’t play the game the way is was designed.

WvW was designed so that you could kill players. Guilds killing players abides by this design. You might as well complain about roamers and scouts too, as they aren’t helping you capture anything. Now quit crying about useless things and head back on into WvW, I’m sure those guilds are done now.

I’m sorry but you saying my argument is not valid doesn’t make it so. You actually have to refute it which you haven’t at all. Beside, roaming is no problem at all since it contribute to the common goal. The actions of the roamers help your side in one way or another even if they would not cap a kitten thing (killing dolyak for ex.). Heck, “I” roam and I seek fights too. If there is an invalid argument here it’s yours because it is illogical to say that the game structure and mechanics are irrelevant. I’m not saying what I’ve said because I don’t like or respect GvG. If it was the case I’d be bashing on zergs because I don’t like all the mindless zerging going on even if I do participate in my share of them too. However, as bad as zergs are, they contribute to the WvW common goal, while GvG does not.

Now, seeing the kind of resistance I encounter for something I thought was courtesy 101, I’ll just drop my case and say good nite.

GvG results in people getting stomped, which you gets wuvwuv pointz. There I just provided you with indisputable proof that GvG helps you with the wuvwuvz. It’s also a super l33t tactic because it distracts and occupies the same amount of players from the opposing server!!!! This is the new meta m8, you gotta catch up bro.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Recluce.3709:

This happened to FA this past Saturday. One of our guilds was GvGing on our own BL. I think they were playing against SoS. Then Mag hit us hard and there were only about 10 of us to defend. We did a call-out to our EB and I think a few got in but they said our BL was queued. Moral of the story: GvG on the non-participating server’s BL. Server 1 vs server 2: play on server 3’s BL, it’s just courteous.

So im going to stand up for the guild that was gvging last Saturday and tell you that they only had about 20 people on that map. Where were the other 60-80 people on the bl?

Hey, you’re not allowed to make sense here! Haven’t you heard? A single GvG queues all maps for each server!!

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

gennyt.3428:

So wait, they’re ruining your gameplay, by not playing with you? They’re not hampering you, they just choose to exclude themselves from activities you care about.

No and no.

1) They aren’t ruining my game play, they might ruin the game play of like minded people like me for whom the game was designed as opposed to say, people who would like to make emote contest in SM just because…

2) They ARE hampering others on the server if they take space. Sorry, but that is reality. If they were excluding themselves they wouldn’t be on the server.

I’ve got the feeling all I say will be badly twisted to avoid the real issue.

Oh don’t try and pull this “the way the game was designed” card. It’s old, and holds no weight in your argument. Even Anet tried interrupting a GvG, which didn’t end so well on their part. Like I said, WvW consists of both PPT and fights. Just because some people have clued in that PPT is 90% of the time pointless and boring, and you haven’t, doesn’t mean they aren’t play the game the way is was designed.

WvW was designed so that you could kill players. Guilds killing players abides by this design. You might as well complain about roamers and scouts too, as they aren’t helping you capture anything. Now quit crying about useless things and head back on into WvW, I’m sure those guilds are done now.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I’ve got no problems with people seeking fights, I love them too. However, I see a huge difference between fighting for objectives seeking enemies and fighting in your own little bubble contributing to nothing. The point is, WvW is not a place with no AC and no structures that is won with kills. Like it or not, there are points for capping.

Now, as for your giving me the benefice of the doubt based on your math above, I’d immediately point out that you can multiply the number of guilds that simultaneously show that disposition. It’s not always just one guild. Also, even if we still have server space it still artificially inflate numbers for 2 servers who could at least have an “outnumbered” buff if others were not there.

Still, I understand that it’s probably not going to change anything to ask nicely. It was worth a try.

Thanks for the answer though.

So what you’re saying is you just want the outnumbered buff because these guilds are “artificially inflating” your numbers. You just want more karma, wxp and gold. How greedy!

Look, you can disagree with GvGing in a border all you want, but nothing is going to happen. The OS is the best spot to have a GvG, so like I said, if they weren’t there, there was probably another one being held there. Considering the people that build a bunch of useless siege everywhere to waste supply, are completely ignored by anet, this won’t get any attention either. Besides, once they were done with their scrims or GvG, they probably captured a couple of things or wiped a few blobs that were attacking one of your precious towers.

It’s not about a bonus or no bonus. The point was there is an impact to play the game you play where you sometimes do and with the trend I see it’s not going to get any better soon. Telling me others do similarly reprehensible stuff to “excuse” you doing no better in a different form is nothing more than a logical fallacy. Two wrong don’t make a right.

What I understand is you are politely telling me: “screw you, we don’t care”. Now, if I was to organize a “let’s ruin others GvG activity by building AC and harassing you in zergs no matter where you go” how fun would it be to you? Not very. Me saying, “but you do no better” wouldn’t make me doing that "right. I was hoping to spark reason. I might have been a tad too idealistic.

My apology.

I would love to see you try and interrupt a GvG between two guilds, as you would most likely just give them free loot. In fact, my guild looks for big zergs, so please, put your money where your mouth is, and do it. If you read what I wrote carefully, I gave the wasting supply on siege as an example that Anet will do nothing. You still seemed to have ignored the fact that I said OS was most likely taken. Believe me, OS is the best place to have a GvG. It’s flat, no obstacles, it was made for it. If they weren’t GvGing there, IT WAS TAKEN. Instead of looking at the OS to see if it was taken you most likely yelled at them in map chat for a bit, then came to the forums trying to draw up some sympathy.

No I was not essentially saying “screw you, we don’t care”, it was more along the lines “there is literally nothing you could ever do, so don’t waste your breath”. Please, tell me, what makes the way you like to play the game more important than the way others like to play the game? Last I checked, WvW composed of both fighting and PPT. Technically a GvG is just fighting, and it says nowhere that when you WvW, you have to PPT or get out. Besides, when you stomp a player, you get points so long as you have one of the buffs. So they were most likely contributing anyway!

If you want to really know how I feel about this, tell me what you would think if I made a post like this:

“Me and my guild can’t get into WvW maps to fight because there is a massive blob manning arrow carts and trebs in garrison. The fight has been going on for hours and they are just sitting there spamming the siege skills. They aren’t killing anything because it’s just a stalemate. They might as well leave so me and my guild could go in and actually kill some people.”

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I’ve got no problems with people seeking fights, I love them too. However, I see a huge difference between fighting for objectives seeking enemies and fighting in your own little bubble contributing to nothing. The point is, WvW is not a place with no AC and no structures that is won with kills. Like it or not, there are points for capping.

Now, as for your giving me the benefice of the doubt based on your math above, I’d immediately point out that you can multiply the number of guilds that simultaneously show that disposition. It’s not always just one guild. Also, even if we still have server space it still artificially inflate numbers for 2 servers who could at least have an “outnumbered” buff if others were not there.

Still, I understand that it’s probably not going to change anything to ask nicely. It was worth a try.

Thanks for the answer though.

So what you’re saying is you just want the outnumbered buff because these guilds are “artificially inflating” your numbers. You just want more karma, wxp and gold. How greedy!

Look, you can disagree with GvGing in a border all you want, but nothing is going to happen. The OS is the best spot to have a GvG, so like I said, if they weren’t there, there was probably another one being held there. Considering the people that build a bunch of useless siege everywhere to waste supply, are completely ignored by anet, this won’t get any attention either. Besides, once they were done with their scrims or GvG, they probably captured a couple of things or wiped a few blobs that were attacking one of your precious towers.

Most GvG’s are held in the obsidian sanctum, if there were guilds fighting there, they either didn’t want to go to OS to fight (most likely scrims), or the OS was already taken and had a GvG going on in it. Regardless of why they chose to fight on the border, there is very little you can do about it. Some guild play purely for fights. They don’t have to GvG on a borderland to ignore a tower siege and not help out with building your ram. Some guilds would rather fight in the open field than under 100 arrow carts.

Now, if my memory is correct, each borderland has a 100 player limit per side. Now the average guild size of a guild that would GvG would be around 40-50, give or take, and the average raid numbers are usually 20-30. So, this leaves you with around 70 people to participate in your siege wars. Actually, lets give you the benefit of the doubt, and say this guild had it’s entire roster running on that map at the exact same time. That still gives you more than enough people to take a tower, or whatever else you wanted.

What’s your GPU and CPU strength? What graphic settings do you play on? Was there orange swords in a structure like a tower or keep at the time of your lag. Often times a fight on the map between two or more very large masses can lag out the entire map, no matter where you are. Warping is more related to ping and your own internet. You may have had a bad connection at the time, but if it’s not an issue in spvp, then I’m not too sure.

I think if you just throw a random assortment of rare-exotic weapons you have a very small chance and every precursor. So yes it would work, however the odds of you getting the one you want are very, very slim. It’s cheaper to get the same weapon as you’re looking for and throw 4 of those in.

TroniXx.8513:

That´s great! Desolation needed some extra players so badly!
Let´s just all stack on this server so they´ll have a chance against SFR.

If you want to fight massive blobs, facing either deso or sfr is your best bet, As a result, either joining sfr or deso will get those results as they face each other nearly every week.