Guild Wars 2

i hated them in gws 1..i hate them in gws 2..and if we get gws 3..i will hate them in gws 3.. i don’t trust the one in my gh. they invite you for peace talks and attack..my only problem is the canthans didn’t finish the job.. i have a build made just to kill them…they made me their enemy in gws 1.

Thornwolf.9721:

virus.4370:

Thornwolf.9721:

I know that I have brought this topic up again and again, but I Feel like I have collected a solid basis and a foundation for this request. To start off with for me at least,I started the game when I was twelve with factions. I have grown up in guild wars and have been here ever since, but the one race who always stood out to me was the Tengu. Talon silver-wing was a freaking bamf, Saved me so many times when I was starting out. And Slowly but surely I fell in love with his race, and the culture of his race. I have never been a big fan of asuran, humans or sylvari and I only liked the norn when they could shape-shift. So that left me with the Charr when guild wars 2 came out and I Was somewhat saddened to see I could not play as a tengu. Mainly because I feel like they are so alien to what is the norm, kind of like the charr. They are a Avian humanoid race which has never been playable in any game, with guild wars trying to be different it sure sounds like it would be a good addition. To top that off they have a rich lore and background which makes them perfect candidates, we know tons about them which makes a solid foundation. With the Tengu accords and the Winds of change being a playable thing in guild wars 1, it sure seemed like they were set up to be a addition to our roster.

Now coming to the most important part, I would pay an absurd amount without much care even if it meant I had to suffer for a while to play this race. I know it sounds stupid, really stupid. But I love them so kitten much and It’s a shame that I cant enjoy the game AS MUCH as I could if I was able to main one, that sounds dumb but its true. To me Cosmetics are part of the whole getting rooted in a MMO, I dont often stay if I cant be something thats not human and looks pretty cool. If the armor looks like crap I wont stay, so guild wars 2 has a good hook in me. But its just not as deep as it would be if I could just be what I wana be, their models are beautiful. Im sure there are many others who would pay a decent price for them, even though this thread is going to be bombarded with hate comments.

With that said though Id like to remind people that those of us who post on the forums are NOT the main voice of the community but a facet of our community. Alot of people dont bother with the forums, they just play the game. I know that people would be inclined to buy a expansion if a new race was in it, probably more so than with mounts or even gliding. A new race adds a new flavor and a new feel even if it is in the animation and cosmetic department alone, those can make huge differences. A prime example is when you compare a Charr warrior to and Asuran warrior. The asuran are like little yoda’s leaping all over the place, while the charr are just bestial with their weapons. Between the twos animations you could easily see why someone would make one of each using the same class.

Another key factor is that people would be inclined to buy Character slots, and make more characters just for many of the reasons listed above. Im sure many would re-roll ults/mains and some would just get enough slots to make one of each class on tengu. (or whatever race it is) And yes I am partial to tengu because from a lore junky standpoint they are the most ready, and well prepared. But I would not be apposed to other races, as long as they got a bit more flushed out than they currently are. This picture below is what got me thinking about this, Id love to be able to make this guy and rock nevermore/any of the legendary’s. They have been here since GW1 and are just as kitten as the other races, they deserve to be here in this light. So Anet if your reading know I would happily buy a whole expansion, regardless of whatever just for this.

https://thalbachin.deviantart.com/art/P-Hou-Swiftshadow-618688581

i started in factions and hated the tengu.. they think they are better then you, they are complete jack@****. they can’t be trusted hence they attacked you and unarmed people in LA. when LA was under attack..then attack you later in HoT..and have you forgotten the tengu wars of cantha..plus they would attack you in cantha, proph,eye of the north..anytime they seen you. they are racist..lol

The canthans are kittens in general, and if you wana go into the fact of their hostile nature. That changed over time in the Winds of change which was apart of guild wars beyond. Asuran are evil little kitten’s and we tolerate them, and the charr hate everyone and think their race is superior.Have you ever even talked to a norn? They think they are better than EVERYTHING.

no they was hostile in gws 1before winds of change..and togo’s story..which was technically before gws 1.. and the asurans,charr,and norns at least tried to help with the dragons,la,the new areas..the tengu just killed unarmed people and sat behind their wall..lol was going to watch everyone die but them..they are worst then the White Mantle..at least the WM had a plan to kill the jungle dragon..they was trying to help.

i hated the mastery system from HoT..i don’t mind the HPs..but the lack of mastery points in the game..has held me back from getting all the hot masteries unlocked..

Thornwolf.9721:

I know that I have brought this topic up again and again, but I Feel like I have collected a solid basis and a foundation for this request. To start off with for me at least,I started the game when I was twelve with factions. I have grown up in guild wars and have been here ever since, but the one race who always stood out to me was the Tengu. Talon silver-wing was a freaking bamf, Saved me so many times when I was starting out. And Slowly but surely I fell in love with his race, and the culture of his race. I have never been a big fan of asuran, humans or sylvari and I only liked the norn when they could shape-shift. So that left me with the Charr when guild wars 2 came out and I Was somewhat saddened to see I could not play as a tengu. Mainly because I feel like they are so alien to what is the norm, kind of like the charr. They are a Avian humanoid race which has never been playable in any game, with guild wars trying to be different it sure sounds like it would be a good addition. To top that off they have a rich lore and background which makes them perfect candidates, we know tons about them which makes a solid foundation. With the Tengu accords and the Winds of change being a playable thing in guild wars 1, it sure seemed like they were set up to be a addition to our roster.

Now coming to the most important part, I would pay an absurd amount without much care even if it meant I had to suffer for a while to play this race. I know it sounds stupid, really stupid. But I love them so kitten much and It’s a shame that I cant enjoy the game AS MUCH as I could if I was able to main one, that sounds dumb but its true. To me Cosmetics are part of the whole getting rooted in a MMO, I dont often stay if I cant be something thats not human and looks pretty cool. If the armor looks like crap I wont stay, so guild wars 2 has a good hook in me. But its just not as deep as it would be if I could just be what I wana be, their models are beautiful. Im sure there are many others who would pay a decent price for them, even though this thread is going to be bombarded with hate comments.

With that said though Id like to remind people that those of us who post on the forums are NOT the main voice of the community but a facet of our community. Alot of people dont bother with the forums, they just play the game. I know that people would be inclined to buy a expansion if a new race was in it, probably more so than with mounts or even gliding. A new race adds a new flavor and a new feel even if it is in the animation and cosmetic department alone, those can make huge differences. A prime example is when you compare a Charr warrior to and Asuran warrior. The asuran are like little yoda’s leaping all over the place, while the charr are just bestial with their weapons. Between the twos animations you could easily see why someone would make one of each using the same class.

Another key factor is that people would be inclined to buy Character slots, and make more characters just for many of the reasons listed above. Im sure many would re-roll ults/mains and some would just get enough slots to make one of each class on tengu. (or whatever race it is) And yes I am partial to tengu because from a lore junky standpoint they are the most ready, and well prepared. But I would not be apposed to other races, as long as they got a bit more flushed out than they currently are. This picture below is what got me thinking about this, Id love to be able to make this guy and rock nevermore/any of the legendary’s. They have been here since GW1 and are just as kitten as the other races, they deserve to be here in this light. So Anet if your reading know I would happily buy a whole expansion, regardless of whatever just for this.

https://thalbachin.deviantart.com/art/P-Hou-Swiftshadow-618688581

i started in factions and hated the tengu.. they think they are better then you, they are complete jack@****. they can’t be trusted hence they attacked you and unarmed people in LA. when LA was under attack..then attack you later in HoT..and have you forgotten the tengu wars of cantha..plus they would attack you in cantha, proph,eye of the north..anytime they seen you. they are racist..lol

Sly.9518:

Again it was plastered in multiple sub forums on this Forum site. It wasn’t some secret being kept…

lol still how does that change the fact " i didn’t know about them" and if i didn’t ..how many others may not…seems like a huge flaw into your logic of “you can just ask them if they are running one”..was the point..lol

Sly.9518:

I find it very hard to believe that any sizable amount of players don’t know dps meters exist since they have been a hot topic on the forums and on Reddit, and yes you can ask it’s a completely viable option and you can always start your own group if you don’t trust other people at their word, and if you do get kicked you can alaways ask why to see if it’s a legit reason but hey colplainnall you want there are multiple viable options available if you don’t use them to get around not grouping with people using meters that’s on you and doesn’t impact me in the slightest.

Again it’s just the logical thing

And again what you are asking is a very dishonest thing because combat data doesn’t belong to any one player and isn’t private data, it is public information in the game, and you trying to conceal that is very dishonest and toxic since you would be deceiving the players you grouped up with on good faith.

i don’t use reddit..and the only forum i use is this one..it’s just a game to me..not my life. no need to go all over the net chatting about my gws 2 characters..lol..if you do that’s ok..but my stats and builds are my business..my point is if they make tools to get your dps info..you can make tools to block or fake it..lol one makes a tool to read it another makes a tool to fake the data the other tool reads..lol..thats how the net works..

Sly.9518:

vesica tempestas.1563:

Sly.9518:

Again you consent if you join groups that use meters, don’t want to be monitored? Don’t join groups using meters pretty simple you are in complete control, and again dps meters a re tool that show dps it doesn’t create hostility people do, they would be toxic without meters, this was proven already,

And now you are saying change Raids, why it met its target audience and exceeded expectations, bahahah if you don’t like the gameplay you probably weren’t the target audience for Raids

Well that’s not really how it works is it, all raids have these people with meters and you know it.

But a comprimise, have meters for yourself, why such a need to measure other people?

Do you need metrics to have a great four balls golf game?
Do you need metrics to have a great 5 man instance run?
Do you need metrics to enjoy a World boss?
Do you need metrics for just about any other online game?
So why such a meed for raids, is it perchance because actually the meta game is one upmanship on meters?

Again it is clear you were never the target audience for Raids, yet you want Raids to be changed because you don’t fit into the target audience, again you don’t have to group with the people running dps meters, you can even ask the group leader if they are even using Meters in the group before joining. Oh no but that’s logic.

asking if they run meters would meant, you know about them.. until this post..i never knew people used them..since i’m not into raids. so someone could have been using one in any group i ever joined…without my knowledge..plus they could still lie..we should start making tools that send those tools fake stats..just in-case people are running them..

Sly.9518:

virus.4370:

Asur.9178:

virus.4370:

vesica tempestas.1563:

virus.4370:

Barzhal.2640:

It’s sad we need to install third party programs to gain the information we should have in game. As for hostility and elitism, that exists whether there are DPS meters or not. There should be metrics for people to judge how well the members of a team are performing. If you can’t handle elitists and people being mean to you, perhaps you’re playing the wrong game.

^ case in point"if you aren’t playing my way or the way i like. you are playing the wrong game.. that is what the OP was talking about..that should not be the mentally of any mmo . i hate self-appointed elitist..i hated them in gws 1 ..and still don’t like that mind set. it huts the game, it hurts new players, it hurts creativity of builds and playing styles. that mind set will kill a game faster then anything else..

+1. raiding or speed run + meters = this kind of nasty attitude where its ok to be mean to people, the ends justifies the means which is to say its more important to clear an instance than it is to enjoy playing and supporting people.

then the raid should be changed..all players should be able to play all content..without special tools..no voip, no 3rd party tools, no special builds or special armors..the game and content should stand on it’s own..i didn’t need that junk for gws 1 and i owned like a boss in that game.

Here’s a shocking thought that you didn’t consider: make and lead your own group!

If you are so persistent on joining others’ group then get used to being able to pull your weight. Else start making your own groups and stop your whining.

What you essentially want is someone to hold your hand AND not get upset at you when you don’t do what you’re told…like a spoiled little brat. Grow up!

lol someone didn’t read the topic..i don’t care about raids..nor do i want someone to hold my hand..lol..i’m a solo-er.. i just believe that all players be able to do raids if they wished without tools..and things like dps meters lol if you like dps meters and it only shows your character fine have at it..but when it effects game play for others i’m not cool with that.

You joining a group using a dps meter is your consent to allowing them to see your dps…

well it shouldn’t be..you should have the choice to block it.

Asur.9178:

virus.4370:

vesica tempestas.1563:

virus.4370:

Barzhal.2640:

It’s sad we need to install third party programs to gain the information we should have in game. As for hostility and elitism, that exists whether there are DPS meters or not. There should be metrics for people to judge how well the members of a team are performing. If you can’t handle elitists and people being mean to you, perhaps you’re playing the wrong game.

^ case in point"if you aren’t playing my way or the way i like. you are playing the wrong game.. that is what the OP was talking about..that should not be the mentally of any mmo . i hate self-appointed elitist..i hated them in gws 1 ..and still don’t like that mind set. it huts the game, it hurts new players, it hurts creativity of builds and playing styles. that mind set will kill a game faster then anything else..

+1. raiding or speed run + meters = this kind of nasty attitude where its ok to be mean to people, the ends justifies the means which is to say its more important to clear an instance than it is to enjoy playing and supporting people.

then the raid should be changed..all players should be able to play all content..without special tools..no voip, no 3rd party tools, no special builds or special armors..the game and content should stand on it’s own..i didn’t need that junk for gws 1 and i owned like a boss in that game.

Here’s a shocking thought that you didn’t consider: make and lead your own group!

If you are so persistent on joining others’ group then get used to being able to pull your weight. Else start making your own groups and stop your whining.

What you essentially want is someone to hold your hand AND not get upset at you when you don’t do what you’re told…like a spoiled little brat. Grow up!

lol someone didn’t read the topic..i don’t care about raids..nor do i want someone to hold my hand..lol..i’m a solo-er.. i just believe that all players be able to do raids if they wished without tools..and things like dps meters lol if you like dps meters and it only shows your character fine have at it..but when it effects game play for others i’m not cool with that.

vesica tempestas.1563:

virus.4370:

Barzhal.2640:

It’s sad we need to install third party programs to gain the information we should have in game. As for hostility and elitism, that exists whether there are DPS meters or not. There should be metrics for people to judge how well the members of a team are performing. If you can’t handle elitists and people being mean to you, perhaps you’re playing the wrong game.

^ case in point"if you aren’t playing my way or the way i like. you are playing the wrong game.. that is what the OP was talking about..that should not be the mentally of any mmo . i hate self-appointed elitist..i hated them in gws 1 ..and still don’t like that mind set. it huts the game, it hurts new players, it hurts creativity of builds and playing styles. that mind set will kill a game faster then anything else..

+1. raiding or speed run + meters = this kind of nasty attitude where its ok to be mean to people, the ends justifies the means which is to say its more important to clear an instance than it is to enjoy playing and supporting people.

then the raid should be changed..all players should be able to play all content..without special tools..no voip, no 3rd party tools, no special builds or special armors..the game and content should stand on it’s own..i didn’t need that junk for gws 1 and i owned like a boss in that game.

Barzhal.2640:

It’s sad we need to install third party programs to gain the information we should have in game. As for hostility and elitism, that exists whether there are DPS meters or not. There should be metrics for people to judge how well the members of a team are performing. If you can’t handle elitists and people being mean to you, perhaps you’re playing the wrong game.

^ case in point"if you aren’t playing my way or the way i like. you are playing the wrong game.. that is what the OP was talking about..that should not be the mentally of any mmo . i hate self-appointed elitist..i hated them in gws 1 ..and still don’t like that mind set. it huts the game, it hurts new players, it hurts creativity of builds and playing styles. that mind set will kill a game faster then anything else..

lol those meters aren’t always right..

well in gws 1 people i use to call self-appointed elitist..use to kick you from mission groups all the time..use this build or else..that’s why i love henchmen and hero’s ..after that they lost all power. because you didn’t need them anymore, and then people could play for fun..i’ve wanted to do the raid stories, but i’m not about to change my builds, armor, weapons, and playing style just to see the story..which they want you to skip.. and get a outside voip program to get yelled at for breaking their made up rules. i play for fun.. my meter works like this work> reward/fun..i don’t do it..i left a guild and almost quit guildwars 2 when i first started.because of that guild..you are playing wrong, you have the wrong build,wrong armor, wrong weapons,wrong buff, you don’t know what you are doing, that was everyday.. that drives people way from a game, so i get why you wonder if people only play for fun anymore.

i love the golem skills..wish we had more of them..would love a bar full..true asuran combat let the golems fight for you lol like minions

lukejoe.1592:

I use Hounds of Balthazar and Prayer to Kormir all the time.

lol i have like 30 characters and i have whole builds that use race skills…for all the races. lol

ice encasement outfit

Scruffy.3982:

Does anyone actually incorporate any of the Racial Utility Skills in their builds?
It would seem they were made part of the game so that players who chose a particular race could pick a defining skill in their build. Some races have three skills, others only two (did Anet run out of ideas?) None of these skills seem worth their place on a skill bar when far more powerful and synergetic utilities can be chosen.
Would it be a good idea to replace these with some new skills available to all races or should Anet revamp these skills in some way so that they bcome a more attractive proposition when thinking about a character build?

they are great ..i have a whole build that uses them.

Lich King.1524:

Vyko.6953:

This is a joke? My already ridiculous and poor elementalist got another big nerf – obsidian flesh. What about making absolutly useless skills of fire focus (fire wall and fire aura) actually normal skills? I dont play defensive or support ele, i like damage and i play zerk scepter focus, but with this update things are going worse and worse. When i enter PVP with zerk ele everyone is laughing because i play it and they dont understand i dont play support. Wtf? i thought this game should be adjustable and you should play what you want to play. But you obviously dont like some players want to play damage elementalist. Bye bye PVP! going to another pvp game because this balance is a garbage.

Agree, DPS and glass/cannon build required at least some protection, some “oh kitten buttons”, otherwise these builds it’s just a paper. So we more and more forced to play support. Why to play elem dont know…

well they didn’t help us support players either, they cut our sigils, and ups the time on our skills. after they took our stats and amulets..all we had was a few good skills and sigil and, they removed the sigils and increased recharge times

i like the kodan areas..they remind me of Cantha.

i loved my hero’s in gws 1…and it fixed that annoy problem of self-appointed elitist say either uses these builds or we kick you out of the group..the same problem with raids now. i would love hero’s for dungeons and raids.

to me the gws 1 character..it could use all professions, more skills (1319) , all weapons, and hero’s/hench/merc’s..my gws 1 character could wipe whole maps solo, without breaking a sweat…it commanded huge zergs of unlimited undead and could easily wipe the gws 2 ver. from the map with no real effort.

Hype and Communication is OK..but content draws people the more great content you have..the more people will cover it.?..if it wasn’t for gws1 ..i would have never got gws2 it wasn’t the hype,bloggers, and youtubers, it was all gws 1 that made me pick gws 2. gws 1 never hyped, it was all about content and story. glad to hear the the gws 1 leader Mike’O is back in control. maybe he can bring the epic content like we had in gws 1 to the gws 2 stage. i look forward to see what he can do with this team.

i would like to see the stories in raids as well,but i hate grouping with self-appointed elitist. Plus I’m more of a bunker player so raids leave us out in the cold, with the build requirement of glass cannon dps, because of all the timers. My GS necro has around 30-40k life and 3.5k+ def..and i feel i should not have to change to please other players. i would love a solo mode or a story mode, since the White Mantle are becoming more part of the game and storyline.

Ensign.2189:

Jourdelune.7456:

How the pvp “dev” team, are not developer?

It comes down to how broadly you want to interpret what a developer is. There are a wide variety of skill sets ‘developing’ the game, from map artists to core code programmers to reward economists to gameplay designers to skill balance – on top of the explicitly non-development jobs like HR, finance, marketing.

The PvP team is descended from the PvP Events team, which was originally scoped to promote and manage esports. Due to subject familiarity (and the nature of S&M) I presume there’s a lot of crossover and coordination with functional / content teams.

Point being, in a sensible organization, if you’re unhappy with the way the game is being balanced you’d give feedback to the S&M team that you want something different which they’d sort through and pass on to the respective balance or gameplay designers. A.Net has some very, very good skills and balance people – if what they’re delivering isn’t getting the desired results it’s because you aren’t asking them to do the right thing.

so we aren’t asking them to do the right thing…
hmm….
ok so they understand what we are asking for. i will make it simple, just for them.

1) Restore the Cleric Amulet
2) undo Anti support designs for pvp.

maybe that will help them understand what we want.

well you DPS attackers complained About Bunker builds and healers..now you can’t survive, serves you right. you wanted faster matches now you got them. enjoy. i guess you didn’t want faster matches at the cost of your points. just the bunker and healer players.

stof.9341:

Xillllix.3485:

DeceiverX.8361:

Robert should be head of balance and everyone knows it.

Yeah, Ice Bow in PvP was really a huge problem… /sarcasm “drops mic”

Yeah a skill useless in PvP but breaking PvE was nerfed. And this was a problem how? Are there not already skills useless in PvP anyway?

the problem isn’t balance, the problem is a lack of skill choices and DPS players wanting fast easy matches.. they want matches handed to them on a silver platter. so since i’m a bunker build, and now can’t bunker..i will just stand there and give away free points, while spamming 1. that what they want, so they will get it.

another day of giving away free pvp points..in ranked

Sismis.5390:

virus.4370:

JTGuevara.9018:

Ensign.2189:

JTGuevara.9018:

How is the PvP team not involved in balancing their own game mode!

The PvP team is a sales and marketing team comprised of brand and community managers, not designers. As you would expect in any other context, sales and marketing give feedback to, but do not have control over, design and development.

I think there’s a perfectly valid complaint that the balance team is not keeping up with the evolving demands of the game. The individual balance changes and bug fixes that have been made since the departure of John Peters have generally been really good – well targeted at real problems with appropriate fixes – but the scope of balance passes has been too limited for a 3 month release cycle.

Still, that’s an argument for funneling resources to or restructuring the balance team, not for handing design authority over to the marketing team.

I can accept that argument, but my primary point still stands.

Balance philosophy needs to change. Anet needs to properly balance PvP independent of the other game modes.

It’s the only way that PvP can possibly thrive in the long-term. Otherwise, PvP will die.

like i said why not make players use their pve gear, stats, and skills. works for gws 1 and thats been running 10 years…you use what you are wearing that you have earned.

Like Guevara pointed one thing out,but i am that all amulets or pve related gear gets removed.Then only then we can hope on classes true balance and work on skill of classes what they using.Every class need fixed stats and maybe 3 stats setup or more depending on class.That somebody focused on balancing game have less headache and start working on skills and balance.Then getting problem from runes or gear that bug or cause some issues to put into calculation.Cause i never seen more nonsense then here in gw2 pvp ingame where a tank wins a fight.Not to mention healers…

trying to balance..don’t work..if it did we wouldn’t have this problem..i think to big problem is to much balancing..we need more choices not less..if you make players use their pve stuff , instead of making every use the same items..i think you would see more players and more builds in pvp.

JTGuevara.9018:

Ensign.2189:

JTGuevara.9018:

How is the PvP team not involved in balancing their own game mode!

The PvP team is a sales and marketing team comprised of brand and community managers, not designers. As you would expect in any other context, sales and marketing give feedback to, but do not have control over, design and development.

I think there’s a perfectly valid complaint that the balance team is not keeping up with the evolving demands of the game. The individual balance changes and bug fixes that have been made since the departure of John Peters have generally been really good – well targeted at real problems with appropriate fixes – but the scope of balance passes has been too limited for a 3 month release cycle.

Still, that’s an argument for funneling resources to or restructuring the balance team, not for handing design authority over to the marketing team.

I can accept that argument, but my primary point still stands.

Balance philosophy needs to change. Anet needs to properly balance PvP independent of the other game modes.

It’s the only way that PvP can possibly thrive in the long-term. Otherwise, PvP will die.

like i said why not make players use their pve gear, stats, and skills. works for gws 1 and thats been running 10 years…you use what you are wearing that you have earned.

why not force people to use their pve gear and weapons..most lack 100% ascended. so that would lower their stats. that’s how it worked in gws 1 and still does..let people use what they earned in pve only..if they aren’t wearing it and not in their inventory..they can’t use it. no auto full stats, no changing runes any time you aren’t in a match, no changing sigils..make people use what you normally use. that way everyone is on their top game and no one gets called favorites and no one can say it’s stacked against them. as far as lower lvled players give them a lower lvl arena like gws 1. where they can fight..so people get matched by lvl, so no lvl 80 is fight a lvl 3 starter

Zelulose.8695:

I loled hard great comparison. Let them fix sustain fist then we can see this power creep go away.

There are two steps.
1. Nerf Rev, Ranger, Warrior, Engi, mesmer sustain.
2. Fix rediculous damage such as Rev. Gurd. Mesmer. Thief. Warrior.

At that point GW2 will be based on skill alone. Noone can out heal you noone can one shot you. You have time to react but not too much.

healing you and your team takes alot of skill..with no monks

why not make you use your pve gear and items..like in gws 1

heck why not just make it like the gws 1 dragon arena..1 shot kills no attack no def ..just an open floor..since attack players just want fast matches..every skill is a 1 hit kill..since they don’t want def players and support players..make it simple everybody has 1 skill..lol…that was the gws 1 dragon arena..no armor stats..everyone have the same life same magic..same skill..all skills are 1 hit kills..lets make it even, since that is what attack players want fast kills..

Varezenem.2813:

virus.4370:

Varezenem.2813:

virus.4370:

i’m ticked as well..awhile back i complained about no ventari amulet..and people jumped me left and right.. at that time i said this day would come..they are trying to rid pvp of bunkers and healers, it goes against the whole mission statement of gws 2 play your way.

Nomads amulet is “bit” different it’s worse than ministrels and on par with dire.
To make nomads and ministrels acceptable they would have to reduce healing and active defenses to necro levels on all professions.

Acceptable levels of sustain IMO for a bunker/support is being able to stall 1v1 forever against most builds and losing 1v2 in less than 30 seconds all of that on the same skill level.

and 30 sec..please do you not understand the word bunker… a protective embankment or dugout; especially : a fortified chamber mostly below ground often built of reinforced concrete and provided with embrasures…basically it should be able to survive massive damage and attack..

You do understand that the main SPvP mode is conquest right? Ministrels and nomads with the current balance produces matches worse than S1 where some matches ended without anyone scoring a point.

so you just want easy wins..isn’t the whole point of player vs player to put your skills to the test fighting other players…that hard to do when the def and support players are handicapped.. it’s easy to claim your good when you have the advantage.. if you are an attack player normally. that is your playing style, no need for you to change it up,on the other hand someone who plays def. or support has to learn a new style to play pvp…so those who normally play that style have an unfair advantage. they have more practice playing that way, so more use to the skill chains..you seem to only care about fast matches..i hope in pvp you end up with me on your team..because since def. and support and they are nerfed, i will be useless and a carry.. and i will not change and, i hope all others who play def/support do the same ..i hope all nerfed def/support players drag down your wins and pips…lol…until you and anet learn we are still here and refuse to have our playing style taken..because attack player don’t want to earn wins, and just want wins handed to them.

Varezenem.2813:

virus.4370:

i’m ticked as well..awhile back i complained about no ventari amulet..and people jumped me left and right.. at that time i said this day would come..they are trying to rid pvp of bunkers and healers, it goes against the whole mission statement of gws 2 play your way.

Nomads amulet is “bit” different it’s worse than ministrels and on par with dire.
To make nomads and ministrels acceptable they would have to reduce healing and active defenses to necro levels on all professions.

Acceptable levels of sustain IMO for a bunker/support is being able to stall 1v1 forever against most builds and losing 1v2 in less than 30 seconds all of that on the same skill level.

and 30 sec..please do you not understand the word bunker… a protective embankment or dugout; especially : a fortified chamber mostly below ground often built of reinforced concrete and provided with embrasures…basically it should be able to survive massive damage and attack..

Varezenem.2813:

virus.4370:

i’m ticked as well..awhile back i complained about no ventari amulet..and people jumped me left and right.. at that time i said this day would come..they are trying to rid pvp of bunkers and healers, it goes against the whole mission statement of gws 2 play your way.

Nomads amulet is “bit” different it’s worse than ministrels and on par with dire.
To make nomads and ministrels acceptable they would have to reduce healing and active defenses to necro levels on all professions.

Acceptable levels of sustain for a bunker/support is being able to stall 1v1 forever against most builds and losing 1v2 in less than 30 seconds all of that on the same skill level.

why..they don’t lower the zerkers and other attack based ones..

i’m ticked as well..awhile back i complained about no ventari amulet..and people jumped me left and right.. at that time i said this day would come..they are trying to rid pvp of bunkers and healers, it goes against the whole mission statement of gws 2 play your way.

morrolan.9608:

Zelulose.8695:

Now we just have to figure out who is responsible for changing the skills currently because they do change. There is a mystery team who does these changes.

Karl Mclain is in charge of the balancing team, dunno who else is on it currently though. I suspect many of the people who worked on HOT class design such as Robert Gee and Irenio are working on the next xpac.

well Karl Mclain and his team must be attack builds..so they hate def players…where is the def player..and the healing players defender..we get shorted every time..no nomad..no cleric..no def/healing amulets..so not cool

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s review our history. We lost Minstrels, Mercenary, Soldiers and NOW Clerics.

What’s the next amulet on the chopping block? Menders? Sage? It seems like every amulet removed is a defensive one. Do we just hate defense/support? Do we just like to spam DPS to death without a second thought? At what point, do we realize, that removing amulets will NOT solve the problem? At what point do we realize the OBVIOUS problem? Balance and HoT builds.

HoT builds simply do too much damage. The amount of conditions they pump out is absurd. With the removal of clerics, it’s even WORSE. Removing clerics did nothing but kill support builds and especially Eles. We’re killing builds, folks.

well to me it’s discrimination. the discrimination of bunker build players..they hate us..and they took our amulets..and add more damage based ones..it’s nothing more then hate and discrimination against bunker, healers, and def. players

In GW1, the game makes it very clear that the White Mantle were working to launch the Mursaat apocalypse. They literally sacrificed thousands of innocents to release the Titans (remember: the titans?)

the white mantle was protecting the Mursaat from proph..because the Mursaat was helping the Mantle protect kryta from outside threats…aka Quid pro quo..and they didn’t kill thousands..they was only in control for few years. Confessor Isaiah is the leader of the White Mantle during the War in Kryta; he is responsible for the deployment of the Peacekeepers and the Inquisitors. He rose from his position as a Justiciar after the death of Confessor Dorian…if the “hero of gws 1” never killed dorian and sided with the Shining blade..after the Shining blade was murdering While mantle guards like the bandits in gws 2 that was protecting the people from other threats..there would have been no peacekeepers or war in kryta. salma wanted to take power from the white mantle after the white mantle saved Kryta did all the work of stopping the invading forces and peace was returning..and far as mass murder, the queen in gws 2, seraph, shining blade, and lionguard doesn’t murder people in general..they let the centaurs and krait do their dirty work.. hence a cave so filled with bones of people you walk on it like a floor..and can break the veil of the underworld there.. in the sylvari area there is a lionguard fort next to a krait slave storage..and dead bodies in the water..great protection.. so they don’t kill people they just don’t stop it..which is no better then just killing the people, themselves..since they are the people who are “guarding” and "protecting " the people.

Walhalla.5473:

BrotherBelial.3094:

That’s how “good” the White mantle are. They are straight up mass murders.

Just to hammer the Mass Murderer in. Gorseval’s Perch is made out of countless Skeletons. Judging from the Mass of the Skeletons it would be fair to say that the Mantle killed Tens of Thousands, if not close Hundreds of Thousands of Humans for their Sacrifices ( for Charging up Bloodstone Shards with Souls ) or just Executions ( the ones who aren’t worthy ).

So, nope the White Mantle are far from being good.

Upon engaging:

Gorseval the Multifarious: We fight together!
Gorseval the Multifarious: And we will have our revenge!
Or:
Gorseval the Multifarious: You did this to us!
Gorseval the Multifarious: Accept your fate!

it never said the White Mantle did it..it says “You”…maybe it’s the bosses and enemies you killed getting there..when you and the pact invaded. remember if it is a bloodstone it would have an environmental effect that influences activation time of resurrection skills or triggers an effect when someone is killed. Gorseval’s Perch looks like it is wood and dirt on my screen.

Goldfox.5729:

Back in GW1 when you had the choice to go for Kurzick or Luxon you chose the good side because both were good. But White Mantle.. has never been good. And by the way Virus.. you know that the first dragon awakening was app. 10k years ago right? And has nothing to do with GW1 and the storyline for that?

to me the White Mantle was good in general. they was trying to keep a nation safe. they hard choices to make..serve the Mursaat and the Mursaat helps keep the nation safe from invaders..which the price was a like 5 dead every year ..or let the nation fall and everyone dies, Because the king took the troops and fled like a coward to save his own skin. And i do the the first awakening had something to do with it..the Mursaat lived thru it ..so like anyone that have lived thru and horrible event.. can tell most the time when it’s starting again..so i think they seen a bigger picture. then we know about. hence their titles Bringers of Wisdom, Eyes That Watch All, Silent Saviors of Kryta, and The Divine Caretakers. an old saying comes to mind those who learn to run away live to fight another day.. i think they fled to the mist the first time because they didn’t know the dragons could be beat and figured the other races would fail. then watched the world from the mist.. then came back later to stop it from starting again…but that is neither here nor there.. since i was talking about the White Mantle as a faction..always remember in war both sides see the other as wrong and evil…the shining blade started killing White Mantle first.. and if a group of people showed up and killed my friends..and said make my leader the leader of everyone..i would probably trying to kill them..just human nature..you would want revenge for them killing your friends.just as in gws 1..the queen didn’t send a diplomat…she sent people to take it by force..in gws 2..the pact didn’t send a diplomat to the White Mantle..they crashed in the white mantles front yard then attacked them..if i was the White Mantle i would be mad..lol dude crashes his car into my house..then gets out and tries to kill me..then the pact sends troops in..no wonder the White Mantle is ticked off..the pact just invaded their homeland lol

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

but again i was just talking about faction battles and stories for both sides you could pick..from one or the other

Its not about Faction Battles. Its about a Mass Murdering Religous Group trying to dethrone the rightful Ruler of Kryta, funding Bandits, even having Agents in the Bandit Cells and now close to igniting a Civil War that will weaken the Krytan Kingdom

rightful ruler ..to me they lost the right to rule when the king fled and left the people to be murdered by the charr…now they are being murdered by the centaurs..and the Shining Blade use to ambush the White Mantle..while they was trying to keep the peace and protect the lands of kryta from the flame legion, centaurs, tengu, and undead. and the Shining blade was no better then the bandits in gws 2..to start off, and shining blade did cause a civil war. plus with the white mantle until Confessor Isaiah assumed command the white mantle didn’t stop others from worshiping the way they wanted the followers of the other gods was protected by Saul’s Laws. The lands was safer and better protected..never seen the white mantle lose a whole town to an enemy. One bad leader doesn’t make the whole group bad..hence when the seraph try to kill you in the human story line..and when one seraph tries to kill the queen…because he was cursed..

Since the Titans’ release, at least eight Mursaat are known to have survived, and seven of them have continued to lead the White Mantle until the end of the Krytan civil war. Although these seven are known to have been killed off, Lazarus’ fate, and if anymore Mursaat survived, is still unknown. ..so in gws 1 they was all but wiped out.. as far as we know..until anet brings them back..

but again i was just talking about faction battles and stories for both sides you could pick..from one or the other

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

the pact invaded their lands this time..and they save kryta..when the cowardly king ran leaving his people to die.

The Mantle was sacrifing tens of Thousands of People for quite a while and they were sacrificing People back in GW1. While Saul did save Kryta, he got killed by the Mursaat after seeing that they are no Gods. If Saul would still live he would even aid the Shining Blade to destroy the Mantle.

and yes they was killing people of prophecy..the Prophecy that said the Mursaat would be destroyed and tyria would be destroyed, if it ever came to pass…and as you see that prophecy happened in gws 1 and the dragons started waking up..and destroying tyria. the Mursaat lived thru the dragons first awakening by hiding in the mist..so they knew how it starts. So they played the role of gods to get a more primitive race to help them protect the world in whole. and some had to die so that all could be saved from the destruction of the world.

Play GW1 again, the Prophecy has nothing to do with the Elder Dragons.

The Mursaat weren’t helping the World, they were just helping themselves. They don’t care about the lesser Races. They are just using them for their own Goals

i play gws 1 everyday and in gws 2 remember what happens when magical energies reach a high lvl..dragons wake up…the Mursaat seem to know this..they built a fort and a shield over a whole area to keep it contained..then the hero’s in gws 1 bust in and release the titans and a ton of energy.. and if you paid attention in eye of the north. the destroyers started waking up..and in gws 1 proph the undead of Orr increased in numbers after that..since the undead of orr are made by Zhaitan..we find out in gws 2..that means that release of energy started waking them up..like scarlet in la with ley-line energy.

Not sure if Trolling.

First. The Mursaat kitten Bricks because of the Titans ( who by some Prophecy would kill them ) So they used Soul Batteries to keep them out. Soul Batteries powered by tormented Souls to keep Construct made out of Tormented Souls out, seems to be a good Idea. The Destroyers waking up has nothing to do with Titans, Mursaat etc. Its just a Cycle that repeats itself, nothing more.

And the Undead of Orr aren’t made by Zhaitan, they are there because of Khilbron, his Spell and his use of the Scepter. The Undead of Orr are just that. Undead. The Risen we are fighting in GW2 are different. They look like Undead, most of them are created by using Corpes but in Realtiy they are Beings corrupted by Dragon Magic.

Again. Play GW1 before coming up with such nonsense.

and i’m not trolling..and this has got off-topic..the topic wasn’t the Mursaat..the Topic was joining the white mantle in the game as a faction ..since it seems Kryta is going to have a civil war..hence the luxon/kurzick ref.

also in the gws 2 raid video it says the White mantle seized power from the king..but that’s not how it happened..gws 2 lore seems to be written with holes and paradox’s. because the follower of the royal family didn’t want people to remember..they ran away..i think the the Mursaat seen the bigger picture..but the whole thing i was saying was i liked the white mantle..and i was hoping. we could join them as a side..didn’t what to get in a Mursaat battle..like in gws 1 when they had the luxons and the kurzicks ..i was hoping we could get a White Mantle vs shining blade..or..a white mantle vs seraph..where you could pick a side and each side, shows their side of the story…because there is always 2 sides to the same coin. and i have been carrying around a ancient white mantle badge since i found them in gws 2. i loved the White mantle in gws 1. In gws 2 i made and named a guild the White Mantle..i missed them, even has the white mantle emblem.. so either way if we can join them in the story or not my character will still be White Mantle…lol even have the outfit.

BrotherBelial.3094:

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

the pact invaded their lands this time..and they save kryta..when the cowardly king ran leaving his people to die.

The Mantle was sacrifing tens of Thousands of People for quite a while and they were sacrificing People back in GW1. While Saul did save Kryta, he got killed by the Mursaat after seeing that they are no Gods. If Saul would still live he would even aid the Shining Blade to destroy the Mantle.

and yes they was killing people of prophecy..the Prophecy that said the Mursaat would be destroyed and tyria would be destroyed, if it ever came to pass…and as you see that prophecy happened in gws 1 and the dragons started waking up..and destroying tyria. the Mursaat lived thru the dragons first awakening by hiding in the mist..so they knew how it starts. So they played the role of gods to get a more primitive race to help them protect the world in whole. and some had to die so that all could be saved from the destruction of the world.

Do you even know what you are talking about?

yes the forgotten and seers tell you the Mursaat fled into the Mist in the lore of gws 1. when the dragons woke up the first time.

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

the pact invaded their lands this time..and they save kryta..when the cowardly king ran leaving his people to die.

The Mantle was sacrifing tens of Thousands of People for quite a while and they were sacrificing People back in GW1. While Saul did save Kryta, he got killed by the Mursaat after seeing that they are no Gods. If Saul would still live he would even aid the Shining Blade to destroy the Mantle.

and yes they was killing people of prophecy..the Prophecy that said the Mursaat would be destroyed and tyria would be destroyed, if it ever came to pass…and as you see that prophecy happened in gws 1 and the dragons started waking up..and destroying tyria. the Mursaat lived thru the dragons first awakening by hiding in the mist..so they knew how it starts. So they played the role of gods to get a more primitive race to help them protect the world in whole. and some had to die so that all could be saved from the destruction of the world.

Play GW1 again, the Prophecy has nothing to do with the Elder Dragons.

The Mursaat weren’t helping the World, they were just helping themselves. They don’t care about the lesser Races. They are just using them for their own Goals

i play gws 1 everyday and in gws 2 remember what happens when magical energies reach a high lvl..dragons wake up…the Mursaat seem to know this..they built a fort and a shield over a whole area to keep it contained..then the hero’s in gws 1 bust in and release the titans and a ton of energy.. and if you paid attention in eye of the north. the destroyers started waking up..and in gws 1 proph the undead of Orr increased in numbers after that..since the undead of orr are made by Zhaitan..we find out in gws 2..that means that release of energy started waking them up..like scarlet in la with ley-line energy.

BrotherBelial.3094:

virus.4370:

i hope in the new story we will be able to pick the White mantle as a side to join. kind of like the luxons vs kurzick in gws 1…but White Mantle vs Shining blade.

I’m not sure if your pulling our legs or not, have you played GW2 at all? The White Manfle are very bad people. You fight them all the time in the human PS.

Spoiler! Not really, but just incase you’ve not worked it out yet.the White Mantle are(or funding) the bandits.

So seeing as you have fought the Mantle at every opportunity, why would you suddenly join them?

you fight people claiming to be White Mantle..some sylvari claimed to work for the pact..but was the dragons minions and spies..some humans fell to Zhaitan and worked as spies and gave it info on the pact. some ministers claim to be loyal to kryta but only want it for themselves.

As far as bad people goes the mantle saved Kryta and the human race…And as the raid area shows i think if the White Mantle had wanted kryta, they could have taken it long ago. plus to me the White Mantle was great while the king of Kryta fled..and the guards went with him..leaving the people to die at the hands of the flame legion..thats good people..letting 1000’s die to save your own skin..while only 5 white mantle and 3 Mursaat, went to save their homeland..all figured they would die.but if their deaths gave their country men time to escape it would be worth it..to me that honor holding back the enemy at the cost of your own life. And, the humans have been fight the charr for over 250 years..but you have charr allies..how can we say that all White Mantle are bad..maybe the ones we have been fight outside the jungle was crazies they killed out like the charr and the flame legion.

Walhalla.5473:

virus.4370:

the pact invaded their lands this time..and they save kryta..when the cowardly king ran leaving his people to die.

The Mantle was sacrifing tens of Thousands of People for quite a while and they were sacrificing People back in GW1. While Saul did save Kryta, he got killed by the Mursaat after seeing that they are no Gods. If Saul would still live he would even aid the Shining Blade to destroy the Mantle.

and yes they was killing people of prophecy..the Prophecy that said the Mursaat would be destroyed and tyria would be destroyed, if it ever came to pass…and as you see that prophecy happened in gws 1 and the dragons started waking up..and destroying tyria. the Mursaat lived thru the dragons first awakening by hiding in the mist..so they knew how it starts. So they played the role of gods to get a more primitive race to help them protect the world in whole. and some had to die so that all could be saved from the destruction of the world.