Guild Wars 2

I honestly don’t think that trytonianYeti.4389 guy cheated his way to legendary to boast about it. Maybe he did it to show how terrible the league is designed. He doesn’t use the nicest words, he’s rude and seem to be in a bad mood all the time. But he doesnt come across as someone who flaunts ill gotten rewards.

In my opinion, the cheaters are the ones that start threads about how they got to legendary because of how “good” they are without mentioning the manipulative things they have done.

Even if this tactic works, I’m still going to soloQ.

abc.5790:

I solo Q’d all the way to ruby and but completed all of ruby in a 3 man premade, no low division, we were all rubies. I’m at diamond now and the road to legendary looks like a chore. Oh and the Q times are longer when 3 diamonds queue together. I queued solo and lost 3 pips, lmao.

Thanks for not manipulating the system, you’ll get the 3 pips back hopefully before the year ends, ROFL.

A former guildie told me about this post just now on teamspeak. He doesn’t pvp but knows that I do. I have no desire to reach legendary but wanted to share with you guys in case you haven’t seen it yet.

The poster got banned from the forum it looks like.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3y8zt8/how_i_really_got_to_legendary_division/

He basically said in a nutshell that you duo q with someone good that’s 2 divisions below you.

Can anyone verify?

I’m literally stuck in Ruby.

PowerBottom.5796:

what is a DS tempest?

Anyways, best 1v1 build is druid, he beats everything in 1v1’s.

It’s a just hybrid tempest that can use death shroud.

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that baby stealing dingo.7216:

Aeryn.9813:

Do the math:

1 point every 2 seconds on each node capped

Capturing and defending points is how you really win. It’s the fastest way to get to 500.
So please stop chasing the mesmer.

But…Mesmers have candy inside…

Yeah that was the problem. My teammates were chasing the mesmer like it was a piñata

Arutha.9874:

Aeryn.9813:

Arutha.9874:

Aeryn.9813:

Do the math:

1 point every 2 seconds on each node capped

Capturing and defending points is how you really win. It’s the fastest way to get to 500.
So please stop chasing the mesmer.

Although that math is also useful the other way:
Dying = 5 points so unless you believe you can delay their decap by 5 seconds you are better off going somewhere else or pressuring from off point to get them to chase you.
Delaying opposition capture while on a neutral is even stupider you need to delay at least 10 seconds before you die to make it worth it.
Sometimes you really think that you can delay long enough for allies to come help but if you got no support never engage outnumbered as any 2 person team can spike even a Mesmer out in 10 seconds.

I agree that your situation happens a lot more in low MMR, but hopefully when those mistakes are gradually trained away you will have to think about this situation more.

PS. Map awareness, map awareness, map awareness! You are 1v1 at controlled home, bunker Mesmer furiously trying to run, you know you are going to die unless you move away. kittening stay and die and come +1 that point in 20 seconds, instead of letting decap and probably still dying. To be honest those situations are 100% the only cases where I think team communication would actually matter and make me believe people’s obsession with team vs soloQ unfairness, but still team comms is just a replacement for good map awareness and math.

Please lay off the drugs.

Had no idea my short comment created fantasies in your mind about my rotation and MMR.

Btw, only an inexperienced person would say team comms is a replacement for good map awareness. Tournament tier players have superior map awareness, much better than yours and what you’re suggesting is they no longer need it. You are laughable. Get over yourself.

I am sorry I did suggest that there was nothing wrong with your statement I am sorry if it came across the opposite way.

Firstly I am not saying that with comms you can close your eyes just that bad players get better with comms because they can call out eg “2 inc mid and Mesmer at home” whereas if you have good map awareness your team knows that already from map.
But I am saying that if tournament tier players switched off their comms but still played in a group yes they would destroy any non tournament tier group regardless of their comms or not. Comms are a crutch for mistakes so the better your team is (assuming all equal skilled) the less you Need comms.

I apologise for phrasing in a way the implied the quoted was the one with low MMR, I intended to make a statement addressing the whole community saying low MMR games will tend to have a lot of the “chasing mistakes”, while mid tier MMR will have a lot of the “sacrifice in the name of holding mistakes” and “abandon without checking for incoming support mistakes.” The latter two a miscalculation based off the first.
Watch out for all of these situations as you advance play.

PS. I was just happy to build on your idea Aeryn, hell I am more of an observer myself not even playing enough to get to Ruby yet. I see the single sentence your(Aeryn) and you(everyone) that I wrote and it didn’t quite read that way in my mind, I do apologise.

Im sorry too, I love you.

Arutha.9874:

Aeryn.9813:

Do the math:

1 point every 2 seconds on each node capped

Capturing and defending points is how you really win. It’s the fastest way to get to 500.
So please stop chasing the mesmer.

Although that math is also useful the other way:
Dying = 5 points so unless you believe you can delay their decap by 5 seconds you are better off going somewhere else or pressuring from off point to get them to chase you.
Delaying opposition capture while on a neutral is even stupider you need to delay at least 10 seconds before you die to make it worth it.
Sometimes you really think that you can delay long enough for allies to come help but if you got no support never engage outnumbered as any 2 person team can spike even a Mesmer out in 10 seconds.

I agree that your situation happens a lot more in low MMR, but hopefully when those mistakes are gradually trained away you will have to think about this situation more.

PS. Map awareness, map awareness, map awareness! You are 1v1 at controlled home, bunker Mesmer furiously trying to run, you know you are going to die unless you move away. kittening stay and die and come +1 that point in 20 seconds, instead of letting decap and probably still dying. To be honest those situations are 100% the only cases where I think team communication would actually matter and make me believe people’s obsession with team vs soloQ unfairness, but still team comms is just a replacement for good map awareness and math.

Please lay off the drugs.

Had no idea my short comment created fantasies in your mind about my rotation and MMR.

Btw, only an inexperienced person would say team comms is a replacement for good map awareness. Tournament tier players have superior map awareness, much better than yours and what you’re suggesting is they no longer need it. You are laughable. Get over yourself.

Do the math:

1 point every 2 seconds on each node capped

Capturing and defending points is how you really win. It’s the fastest way to get to 500.
So please stop chasing the mesmer.

OP, Im also kinda bitter about the lack of firepower. I mean, you can try running one before you realize just how much the game favors bunking.

One of the most important attributes of my main class right now is from a trait that’s been around forever but ignored in the past due to how mediocre it was. But it fits like a glove in this meta despite how lifeless and boring it is to play.

It would have been 100000x more awesome if you left it as it is. It’s not against CoC when you congratulate your team.

A diamond teaming up with an amber may look and seem innocent but this match making system causes a terrible side effect where it assigns the team with the amber a very low odd for winning the match. If they do win, they get rewarded an easy 2 or 3 pip victory while the other team got punished and farmed proper.

Having an amber also serves as a security blanket. If in any case they don’t win, they do not lose 2-3 pips like the other team that got farmed proper.

I don’t think this is widely known yet but you can read more about it here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/MMR-Weights-and-Pip-loss/

I know this is minor but try to incorporate high mobility in your build.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Aeryn.9813:

Phantaram.4816:

Definitely possible. I solo queued 8 pips into ruby all the way to diamond and only lost 2 pips the whole way their in one single loss. The other losses I had either I didn’t lose a pip or I even gained a pip.

I know you’re good but one thing you can’t ignore is that your presence in the pug team exudes a halo effect. The teammates have already predicted the outcome of a win as soon as they see you on their side. With no doubt or hesitation, they will end up playing their best.

I have a different theory:

Players on the enemy team see Phantaram and view him as one of the best duellers in the PvP scene. They therefore develop an urge to try to beat him 1v1 (especially if he is streaming) so that they can brag that they beat him if they manage it. This results in poorer than usual rotations from the enemy team as they all strive to beat him in 1v1 regardless of how it affects the rest of the map and can be referred to as the ‘Phantaram Effect’.

As an aside I just did around 2 hours of trioq and won most of my games, so soloq’ing clearly has a negative impact on average match outcome.

SoloQ is ok if you have nothing to lose and if it’s a weeknight.

Phantaram was in my pug team frequently when I played more often during summer break. That was before they won WTS Germany and around the height of d/d ele greatness. You’re right, opponents were after him but he got super protection from the fanbois in my team.

Sometimes when the matches got boring, I’d toss my body at the bad guys just so he could rescue me.

…As much as I do?

Sure it was overtuned before the RoF nerf but it was still more exciting to play. I’m no longer feeling the tempest auramancer. It is lacking the sass d/d eles flaunted. The bunker build is a complete snoozefest bore.

We used to apply 9+ burn stacks, 6900 burning speed aoe crits on 25 might stacks and to top it off, blinding our opponents every 5 sec.

What’s up with the major downgrade?

I thought expac would get me more firepower???

Instead we get DS even thought it’s been there for the longest time. We just ignored it in the past coz it was pretty lame.

Phantaram.4816:

Definitely possible. I solo queued 8 pips into ruby all the way to diamond and only lost 2 pips the whole way their in one single loss. The other losses I had either I didn’t lose a pip or I even gained a pip.

I know you’re good but one thing you can’t ignore is that your presence in the pug team exudes a halo effect. The teammates have already predicted the outcome of a win as soon as they see you on their side. With no doubt or hesitation, they will end up playing their best.

Hotjoiners are the type who’d tank MMR for accelerated progress. It’s part of their modus operandi like how they swap to winning teams.

How funny is that, no wonder there are so many bads in Ruby right now

Pimsley.3681:

SpeedStarr and Vapour 10/10 in the charm department

I think both of them main necromancer so, of course they’re charming.

Gotta <3 Florida man Who Dat Toker

A lot of Rubies and even some Diamonds do not belong, skill-wise, in their division.

They illegitimately got there by tanking their MMR. I know players in Emerald and Sapphire that are far better pvpers than some of scrubs I’ve encountered in Ruby and Diamond.

OP – Why haven’t you tanked your MMR like almost everyone else? After realizing that the odds don’t favor you, why would you continue fighting a system that imposes heavy penalties on you?

There are people on this forum that manipulated/cheated their way to higher divisions yet still have the nerve to ridicule those with legit concerns about matchmaking as having L2P issues. It’s really sad when people start to believe they’ve earned their merits.

I still cant blame them for tanking their MMR no matter how annoying they are because this system is broke AF.

Im guessing the reason MMR wasnt reset is because the matchmaking system they’ve implemented relies heavily on it. It was easier to get the league up and running with the MMR in place. Of course the downside is higher MMR soloQ suffer unmercifully but for newer/lower MMR players, it’s a good deal.

LunarNacht.8913:

Pimsley.3681:

Tempests are in a good spot and consider them one of the least “gimmicky” builds. They are reliable and I swap to play one if there’s none on the team.

Remember staff-less tempests suffer from poor mobility, low hp pool, low-ish damage output.

If you play carrion Reaper then yes, the ds tempest and certain daredevil builds will counter you. A power necro can handle daredevils well. As for the tempest, you will need to rework your traits, swap amulets and maybe start playing one to better understand their mechanics.

Ele hasn’t been in a good spot for ages.

Hmm, “ages” is subjective and he was referring to the tempest not the core ele. Im not really sure what your point is but your opinion is not correct.

I haven’t played my core ele since HoT release but the tempest is in a good spot compared to most classes. The build variety is limited though but at least it’s effective in conquest.

Guys at the pro leagues have been venting their frustrations about this terribad bunker meta. I heard there were matches that completely stalled in scrims.

One of maps in week 4 is Khylo. Do you think the pros would make use of the trebuchet to knockback and do some damage or would they ignore it?

I generally dislike the treb in solo ranked matches because scrubs with no map awareness and lack of treb experience would waste time on it.

In tourney tier, especially in this nasty meta – do you guys think that there may be some value in it?

In an ideal world, you would have gotten 5 pips for the extra effort.

Most Common Mistakes Made by SoloQers

Queuing on weekends :/

OP must hate warriors for starting this thread and have the nerve to say they are ok in pvp right now. Maybe in hotjoin where you zerg and not fully expose warrior’s weaknesses but in real conquest matches, they have become a burden for the team

Most Common Mistakes Made by SoloQers

Please be courteous. If you’re trying out a new build, queue unranked or hotjoin first.

Pimsley.3681:

XGhoul.7426:

Trigr.6481:

XGhoul.7426:

Don’t fight bunker mesmers on their capped point.

You know from experience :P Sorry I had to do it.

Yis

Lots of people talking nonsense in hotm mapchat right now….very ripe and juicy for the trollingz

<3 mapchat trolls. always good entertainment

Most classes can sustain the warrior’s damage
Warriors cant sustain other classes’ damage

And yes, I kinda miss guards bunkering and mesmers 100-0 shattering

nearlight.3064:

I’d say the the reason why dresses make you tankier than sexy armor isn’t because the dress itself, but rather by the fact that tempest and chronocancer can amass infinite amounts of protection, which at least for chrono is partially due to durability runes being overpowered.

Speaking of dresses, there was a period when aristocratic and haute bourgeoisie boys wore dresses. I understand that the relevance of my comment is high.

Greek.4396:

Pimsley.3681:

Snip

Step 1. Don’t que solo in rank

I didn’t laugh. You always queued solo and have complained on here many times about wanting to bring soloQ back.

How can you get the people in HOTM to read this thread?

If most soloQs applied even just the very first point made by the OP, I think the quality of our matches will improve drastically.

Mogar.9216:

5 soloQer will have much less synergy between their builds compared to a 5 man premade

I’m sure there are many more that wasn’t covered here. I miss the good old bunker guards. I’d never imagined that mesmers, out of all classes, would replace them.

- Fighting off points is a good defensive strategy if your team has 2 points secured.
- Try staying alive as long as you can while defending or capturing a node. A dead teammate puts the rest of the team in harms way.

I’m not a veteran/champ Revenant and still learning the class mechanics.

I can the see tremendous advantage of Mallyx but what I don’t understand is why Shiro is favored over Glint.

What’s so good about Shiro? Is it the gap closer and quickness?

They do quite well against chronobunker.

I think a 2 rev, scrapper, chronobunker and tempest/druid or reaper would do well against the 2rev, 2chrono tempest/druid comp. Reapers could also destroy rev once theyre in shiro

Capping > Trebuchet

Yeti, the way you put Chaith on the spotlight has led me to believe that you have the hots for him. Why don’t you give Noscoc some attention too. He’s very exotic looking.

I read Chaith’s comment and even Tarcis’ thread about this Revenant and Chrono bunk meta.

You guys made it appear like the only way to beat it is to join it. Didn’t you prove yesterday that your comp could counter all that aids/gonorrhea?

I understand anet wants to increase their influence in the esports realm but teams adopting to this meta will be detrimental to their effort because it’s not enjoyable to watch.

There’s got to be a way to counter the chronobunk. I know it’s a beast like never seen before but you guys are the Abjured – you won with a thief and a necro.

Cuchulainn.7421:

What contradictory policy is this arenanet?

They created the pvp sector so that u can play pvp immediately after u bought the game. You are instant lvl 80 and they give u the best armor/weopons everythings. They want to say to you:

Folks don´t bother with leveling u can start immediately. Click 1 or 2 buttons and play pvp.

But.. they didn´t mention to buy a headset and use TS to play pvp really efficient and not based on luck, they didn´t mentioned it on their game box.

And they didn´t mentioned that u have to create a group of skilled players that can take a time.

They should warn new players. You can play pvp everytime u want as a solo player but only hot join and unranked at maximum. NOT ranked. Don´t play ranked as solo player u will lose in the long run and never make it to diamond/legendary rank!

Actually, newer players have an easier time progressing than older players with high MMR that queue solo

It’s great to see people not taking themselves too seriously and laughing a little.

Don’t you hate it when people tell you to “get good and carry” when it is determined before the match even begins that you are going to lose

GJ guys for having the most respectable comp (to me at least)

Belial.9350:

Aeryn.9813:

Beginning to think his whole aristocrat-against-plebeian persona is an act.

Thanks for sharing your self-portrait. Nice to put a face with the name.

What if the ele usues soldier ammy and rune?

I don’t like Helseth but even I will admit that this whole episode made him much more admirable and someone most of us can relate to.

Beginning to think his whole aristocrat-against-plebeian persona is an act. It’s ironic because unlike others from the pro league, he was the only one who experienced what the average (pleb) pvpers go thru.

DH is a powerful build no doubt about it.

But it doesn’t deserve to be in God Tier based on the principle of how mind numbing easy and cheap it is.

It can get away being shallow, lacking in depth because someone from the balance team inadvertently programmed it to have a higher damage coefficient.