Guild Wars 2

Alek Seven.2374:

I might be wrong but in GW1 PvP theres was no class ‘’hard counter’’ like today like : theres 2 people fighting , an Assassin and a Necro , If the assassin kills the necro, its the necro’s fault because he didn’t timed his heals or he didn’t removed the Shroud of Distress (75% block Under 50%hp) or the Way of Perfection (heal when critical hit) both are Enchantment Spell which are the Gw2 boons that can be stripped.

Also , I feel like PvP doesn’t mean Player vs Player but point vs point (conquest) and the gw1 pvp was real pvp , you kill the other team and you win.

Builds back in the days were not as dramatic as today : as long as a healer (ritualist, monk) you can make sure your team (in pvp or pve) doesn’t die or as a DPS which can be whatever you want as long as you can kill the ennemy , its a good build, today it’s….complicate ?

Oh dear… In GW1 it was way more complicated than it is in GW2, which I think was a good thing.

You had something like 1k different skills available. This meant that for every build there was a counter, and for that there was a counter again etc. It was less a thing of classes than of builds. Basically if something was actually OP, you could just make a build that completely negated that OP thing, so it was less of an issue.

Stripping Shroud of Distress wasn’t really important for a Necro, since block doesn’t effect spells there and Necro was a spellcaster. The only problem with shroud would have been health regen, but if the Assassin invested deeply enough into shadow arts to get a lot of healing out of that, his spike wouldn’t be sufficient to kill the Necro quickly.

The main thing is that in most of GW1 PvP you didn’t really have those 1v1 fights, and you didn’t have nodes to bunker on. You usually had teams of players fighting, with occasional split tactics. This means that if one build completely countered another one, there would usually be a teammate around to compensate.

GW1 also had less passive defenses and stronger scaling on damage, meaning that people who didn’t invest deeply into damage wouldn’t do a ton of damage, and the same was true for tankyness.

Not to forget energy management. This is a big one. You couldn’t just spam stuff on cooldown. Spiking a target meant multiple people on a team commiting to investing resources in order to take down a target. If you kittened up, you had actual downtime. Not to mention interrupts.

The thing is, I have between 15 to 30 ms ping on everything else, and the fact that windowed/fullscreen changes network perforcmance also indicates a client side issue.

I also played Guild Wars 1 on this same machine back in the day without any of these issues.

I have recently returned to guild wars 1 and noticed a lot of rubberbanding and packetloss/lagspikes. I usually average around 15 ms, but ping spikes above 400 for GW1 often and I experience more severe rubberbanding than even 400 ms would justify.

Playing in windowed seems to reduce rubberbanding for some reason.

If anyone has a fix, I’d be very thankful to hear it.
Alternatively, maybe someone at a-net still knows their way around the client and can take a look.

The days of bullscharge 100b warriors and D/D Valkyrie eles… I honestly just wish the game was still in that state.

Specialisations to me have taken away from the signature-ness of the classes, and everything is a lot more spammy than back then. “OMG the crowbar”… Single spells were so satisfying…

I feel like a grandpa now. “Back in the day, everything used to be better!”

We were lvl 80 in exotics back then, IIRC… at least in our 3 man runs. I did a 5 man around lvl 30 though, where the gear and lvl points might be it.

Honestly, I just miss running around in my underwear because I just spent all my money on something and desperately trying to get this dungeon boss down again and again…

I can somewhat get it for story mode, since that was really brutal for lvl 30s even in 5 mans back then, but being able to 2/3 man explorable paths so quickly without dying just takes away that sense of accomplishment from beating them.

I guess I’ll try to convince my friends to do nude runs with me and see if that brings the magic back… lol.

Personally, I would like the Shatterstone we saw in alpha footage.

You could channel it and pop it at any time during the channel. More damage the longer you channel. I remember churning earth working similarly in that footage.

It makes the ability more reliable while still maintaining the feel of the ramp up.

Another idea would be to make shatterstone chill people during the ramp up.

Ugh…

I really loved playing glasscannon stuff, but those just don’t seem to exist anymore, outside maybe thief. 100 nades, glass HGH, S/D Zerker oneshot ele… I guess I picked a bad time to come back.

Back in the day I enjoyed playing the grenade builds a lot (100 nades cheese and elixir might stacking condi nades, specifically)

Do these builds still work or is relearning required?

Aaaaand here goes my favourite map. This is an abomination…

Back in the day, me and my friends used to die ourselves naked in Ascalon story mode (especially at ralena and vassar).

Admittedly, we have slightly better gear now and probably a little more experience under our belts, but yesterday we three manned that dungeon without a single death in under an hour.

Am I underestimating our improvement or was dungeon difficulty nerfed? We also ran two explorable paths and couldn’t stop laughing at how easy it was compared to how we remembered them…

I want GW1 Underworld back..

The thing with warhorn is that, on a damage focused build, it doesn’t give you reliable CC and invulnerability focus does. The defenses from focus are what allows you to play aggressively and focus on bursting down targets.

I assume you mean "Glasscannon Shatter Mes?

I can only talk sPvP, but I’d call it viable. I’d go Marauder over Berserker Amulet. You should burst hard enough, anything more is outweighed by the added vitality. Still pretty glasssy.

Sifu.9745:

Zintrothen.1056:

Thief definitely has the highest skill floor.

In my hands Elementalist has higher skill floor than Thief and i’m sure that majority will agree with me. Switching between four Attunements all the time, Jesus! … One mistake, one wrong attunement, and i’m downed lol. You have way too many buttons and combos … Engineer, if you play it with more than one kit can be difficult too. More buttons = higher skill floor.
Thief’s playstyle is challenging but enjoyable, while ele is frustrating + thief has one super easy weapon set: double pistols, if you really can’t stand on melee weapons.

Ele used to be high skillfloor back in the day, but IMO with the bunker/support builds these days you have a huge margin for error, at least that’s my experience so far.

I’m considering just ignoring the meta/patches and going with my old glass ele builds, but everybody seems to agree that glass ele is effectively crippling ones self.

Will definitely look into Thief. If that doesn’t do it for me I’ll probably just wait for a patch that favors my playstyle a little more to get back into the game.

I stopped playing some time around the Dhuumfire patch. Used to play primarily S/D/F burst ele and shatter mes.

So far all the builds I have heard of are DPS/sustain/bunker and since that’s not a playstyle I enjoy, I thought I might ask here if there is something I missed.

The higher the skillfloor/cap the better.

Ele has burst. It’s just really high risk most of the time. I’m 70% sure nothing outbursts a S/D Earth/Airburst combo. And it’s basically instant.

Ele is not too HOT reliant ATM. Standard DPS Staff ele can still do it’s thing. Not the strongest but really powerful in the right hands. Old power shatter mes is strong too, if you take the time to learn it.

roamzero.9486:

Best meta was right around the Dhuumfire nerf up till Anet overbuffed Warrior.

Wasn’t that the petting zoo meta?

Hey, I stopped playing the game around Dhuumfire. Before that I used to play Staff, S/D and S/F Berserker specs in PvP most of the time (even while Valkyrie was the meta..).

Now, I am not having a lot of success with that playstyle anymore and I wanted to know if that’s just me being out of practise or Zerker ele simply not being viable. Thx <3

So yeah, I see thief is in a bad place, but disregarding our current state, do you see any strengths in the staff kit for DD which translate to PvP? I am a little confused because it doesn’t look like it provides anything useful.

Launch Zerker meta and the meta before Dhuumfire was introduced. At that time every class had its niche…

Pro tip: Es gibt ein deutsches forum. forum-de.guildwars2.com

Love this meta. Exactly what I have been missing since betas. More punishing, faster gameplay. YEEHA!

Honestly, complaining about how mesmer has a counter to every mechanic in the game haven´t really understood what mesmer is all about. Mesmer (since GW1 days) always was about counterplay. If you know beforehand what your opponent is running you, as mesmer, have all the tools to design a build that perfectly counters the opponents. The clue is you can´t have everything at once. If you just list all the options a mesmer has it sounds broken, and it should.
What makes mesmer seem broken right now is the new trait system, allowing them to have a lot more traits at the same time, leading to a greater coverage of builds you can counter.

TL:DR The new trait system gives more options. What balances the mesmers “toolbox” is the limitation in choices while designing a build. The tools are all fine, there just needs to be some kind of limitation to what a mesmer can slap into his build.

When I started playing in Betas, I was amazed at how well the game was running FPS-wise on my middle range laptop. Highest settings and over 40 FPS all the time.
Ever since however, I have been getting declining Framerates. Graphics in the game haven´t really changed as far as I can tell, Ive cleaned the fans and got myself an SSD but I´m now down to 15 Frames at lowest possible settings which is really unplayable.

I would understand this if there had been any major improvements in graphics but where is the performance going?

Any similar experiences/advice?

In beta the game was simply absurdly fast paced, which was why I loved it so much. EVERY clkitten (edit: seriously, a-net?) hat something to just instagib people who were not on their toes. However you could counterplay all of that (ok, backstab thief WAS broken outside of 1v1 due to the hit coming from stealth… still..).
Best state of balance was before the dhuumfire patch. Revert to that and I might even consider going competitive (if I can get my mechanics back to par).
After dhuumfire everything went down hill.

TLDR: Pre dhuumfire/spirit patch balance plz.

Lazaar.9123:

“These encounters will require greater skills and tactics to overcome, whether you’re adventuring through our jungle on your own or with a party. "

It seems the bosses may actually have a wide scaling range, even down to solo.

THIS would be kittening AWESOME!

Honestly, before they changed the way leveling works, I would have loved to level legit, but now its just a pain in the kitten having to unlock all of the skills so slowly. It´s just no longer an enjoyable experience to me.
PvP until I got the tomes to play PvE without a lock on every effin skill.
Before it was a good pace of unlocking skills etc… If it aint broken, don´t fix it…

Lame. I remember at launch arenanet said GW2 didnt have autoattacks.
Why shouldnt PB put skills without CD on a 10 sec CD? I think anet just wants to keep mesmers unviable…
The trait was perfectly fine except for stomping/rezzing, that was kinda stupid.

I remember anet saying that GW2 doesnt have AAs. You define your AA yourself by tagging it so this is totally legit

Hello, I mained ele all my GW2-PvP life but dumped the game due to frustration about the state of balance 2 months ago.

Did anything change?
Are elementalists in any (skillbased) way a viable choice for high end tPvP?

In general: Does high end tPvP still exist?

Well, if they talked about balance without going indepth on ele there would have been an uproar^^ And mentioning ele is not an option due to obvious reasons.

Ok, now I know what kind of people developes this game…

#Allisvain

Its not a bug, its a feature.
Thats why we get nerfed, so eles stop using S/X and go for staff tornado glass so warriors have a easier time eating us.

How about posting EU/NA for those events?^^ Communication here is kind of fail

Mmh. I do not think this has any influence on your rating. Also at least in soloque it would be unfair for those who end up with a useless team/those who carry on with 4 afks in base.
Maybe there should be a boost for close matches (loosing team score >400/450)

This thread is legendary. And it is the only one in here which does not depress whoever reads it.

All is vain!

This would be cool, if the way score is given would be changed. As score doesn´t hit glory/rank gain anymore I´d say 30 points for a cap, 5 for a kill and 5 for assist.
Aditionally score should tick if you stand on a point alive with the point capped.

This way bunkers would gain score too.
The score would reflect the game more (cap>kill)
Noobs would actually try to play the game right to get large numbers.

Maybe to make it more amazing you could buff those scores 10x so the numbers are larger and people freak out when they see a 300 when they cap something.

Dang, broken link :P thanks^^

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#allisvain

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Edit: Fixed Link!

Lol, if they SLIGHTLY buff eles eles will still be up. If eles get buffed to be balanced everyone will Q.Q because their new ele overlords will kitten their faces off due to being used to having to handle a sub par kit to kill better kits. If the kits are the same lvl suddenly eles will be the ultimate overlords they deserve to be.
Not due to OPness but due to SKILL

#ELETISM

Just nerf warriors to where eles are now. They deserve it.
And give eles the godmode they deserve for being tortured for 9 months.

Eles who can handle them selves in PvP are in most cases so ridiculously skilled it´s not even funny anymore.
Only thing is noone with any other profession has reached their level of skill because its impossible to gain skill with the current meta builds.
For skill to improve it must be trained, in gaming case thru a playstyle requiring a lot of skill.
Ele needs tons of skill, + even more tons because its sub par by design. The only ones improving in this game are eles.
Only because ele players are just better then everyone else it doesn´t mean they need to be balanced against that.

Its like having a kungkittenmaster beating a power-rangers megazoid and cutting off the kungkittenmasters legs because he was able to beat something 10k times as powerful as himself by being good at what kungkitten

#Eletism

Edit: Do I have to understand this ridiculous censorship on an Chinese melee combat style? O.o

Make an ele.
Go to tPvP with people with a good MMR using said ele.
Delete that post.

Senso, I DO time my interrupts. My entire build revolves around shutting down my target not by permanent daze, but by precise interrupts. I do predict casts from time to time, like people tend to mash a skill when they are dazed to use it as soon as daze ends so I do an other daze 1/4 second after the first ends.
The only random interrupt in my build is F3.
I have sword offhand, Greatsword and the daze mantra.

If its EU im in! I can do Staff Nuke, fresh air and D/D Burst. Maybe Staff support too.

Working as intended. Eles are the PvP critters.

Quaggan finisher op!

Hello, I´m an elementalist, playing mostly tPvP and I just have the need to write some of the problems I´m encountering of my soul.

Since the dhuumfire patch playing this game has turned into never ending frustration.
1st Thing one might say is I should just stop. But hence I have been waiting for this game since the first rumors about it evolved, and I have seen how incredibly large its potential is I just can´t leave this be.

I have played elementalist and mesmer thru the dhuumfire/spirit ranger meta and now the warrior meta. Always with arenanet telling me theyd improve things. Now, in the 6 months since dhuumfire elementalist, the most underpowered profession currently in the game (NO ONE denies this anymore) has got nothing but nerfs and two gimmick traits. Still I stuck to it, I liked the challenge and it was kind of fun.

I spent a lot of time on dueling servers, beating and being beaten by what was op at the moment, knowing that to win I had to massively outplay them, and even then a random hit could kill me. It was fine. Winning made me proud, people respected me for that. Only when I lost it never felt like loosing to a better player but more like being crushed by a bulldozer because of failing to dodge it.
There were a few occasions where I played people better then me. Loosing was actually fun and I learned from it.
Now since warriors were buffed to godmode every single good player either quit or changed to some feature of the month build.
In 1o1s the rare interresting fights nearly entirely disappeared.
In tPvP I get insulted the moment I join with my favorite profession.
Loosing lost its positive aspect, as you learn nothing if you just get steamrolled by professions and builds which are so much more powerful then yours that even the most skilled player in the world, who I deffinately am not, barely stands a chance if his opponent is not asleep.

Now, an other patch was promised for December. But it reminds me way too much of the October fiasco.
Where do you take the faith from to stick to this place? I believed in this game and the people developing it, but now that has become nearly impossible.

Tell me, and others where you take your hope and faith from in these dark times?

Sorry for this overly theatrical and possibly arrogant mess, but I just needed to do something…

With lingering atunements airburst with fresh air from water will be cool