Guild Wars 2

hello a friend has the same problem did it get resolved ?

Ayestes.1273:

Actually it works even better in those environments, because you don’t get focused as often. Even when focused, Elixir S / 50% Toss Elixir S often deters them from focusing, and they often don’t refocus.

It’s an incredibly good dueling build as well, but I honestly can’t pin down a specific reason as to why.

Because people literraly kitten themselves seeing so many conditions on them whilst taking massive dmg and start to panic and mess up and job done …..

also been running a build similar to this for some time now for me hgh might stacking condition grenade build is the strongest pvp build out there for engi currently

just wanted to add the abundance of stability mixed with strong healing on 2 proffesions is what is limiting build choice on all proffesions in my opinion. I believe toning it down will open up a much greater build variety on all classes…..burst classes are not an issue they can be neutered pretty easy by anyone with a clue, However stability and healing on guard and ele bunker builds are not so easy to counter and is what is ruining real team diversity and the game.

And just want to add i dont have an issue with either of these classes but mainly because i am stuck with one burst condition build that is built to counter them …..i would like to mix my builds up and but feel its most effective.

Apollo.7389:

Engi – Still really strong, still can do 100 nades and your minor mini nerf did nothing. the second 100 nades was gimmicky and was just over kill anyways. Engis never really needed it to demolish other burst builds or most build in general. Engi condi damage and survivability is kitten amazing. Don’t nerf them instead buff other classes to this OP state.

I think you should of said balance other classes to engi because engi is neither op or up, some classes would recieve a nerf others a buff i guess….

Chaith.8256:

Brvtvs.1572:

Teldo adopted the build and has a few vids of it in his stream so u can check it out there and see how it does in pvp…..

Lil Shoota

http://www.twitch.tv/teldoo/b/364997764

At 7:00, he explains his build, where he got it from, and why he uses it. Hiba (NA) has the most polished HGH burst condi setup – there are a few improvements you can capitalize on immediately, most of it is minor though.

Explosives: 10% explosion damage is kinda ‘meh’ compared to reduced CD on grenades, or enhanced performance for more might. The percentage of your damage that comes from explosions (shrapnel, chill grenade) is too minor to justify.

Firearms: Knee shot for another cripple on your glue shot, vs hair trigger. Since your glue shot is your only immobilize that would benefit, that makes this trait a bit weak. Trait for hair trigger, and get 20% more glue shots in the first place! Not to mention 20% more poison darts, static shots, and blowtorch.

Runes: Nightmare runes for condi engies are just straight up better – buffing burning, and confusion in addition to bleed, poison, cripple, immob, you name it.

Sigils: You need to make sure you get 3 ticks of burning on your ‘incendiary powder’ trait. You can achieve this either by 4 nightmare, 2 lyssa, or 6 nightmare, and sigil of smouldering (burn incr).

Geomancy > earth in many circumstances, but it depends on playstyle, so that’s not really gimping yourself.

Hi Chaith thanks for the response and suggestions. Teldo actually mentions his friend mentioned the build (phantaram) and that it comes from Hiba. looking through his set up i presumed he was using the build i used and spoke to teldo and what he thinks about it and he actually dislikes it anyway haha, although says its the strongest way to apply conditions. I haven’t seen Hiba’s build ( frankly its not exactly the most genius setup and wasn’t looking for help when i made it) although he did comment about rampagers amulet in my original thread.

Anyway as stated in my op its not exactly original i reckon most engis have played around with very similar builds. The reason i posted it is because it has become a more effective way of combating bunker builds especially rangers and ele’s in the last month or so and i have been asked about it frequently.

Oh and love your 100nades, had much fun playing that and similar builds in past

Anyway to your suggestions:
i switch and swap my traits frequently , and u actually have picked out the ones that i change, i dont see a massive difference off enhanced performance, maybe if using medkit ( does it proc just from activating the medkit?) i would agree there but having a static 10 per cent imho is better than waiting to use a heal for extra might. But i think reduced cd on grenades is possibly better will have a look later tonight when i get home from work.

Agree on hair trigger being better in regards to more pistol abilities more often , however while using glue shot its often the time i switch to grenades and unload. The extra 5 seconds of cripple on my enemy (especailly when facing more than 1 opponenet) really helps in giving me control of a situation and makes sure i get the most out of my grenades

Will check out your advice on sigil and rune combo with regards to burning .

Regards
Lil Shoota

I posted a build a while back on spvp forums that i have had alot of success with of late and often in hotjoin matches have had people asking what build i am running.

In particular the build focuses around unleashing all possible conditions with decent condition pressure aswell as good burst potential. The build also has access to the fear condition through use of nightmare runes but i opt to play with 4 afflicted 2 krait for increased duration.

This build can take down rangers /eles / bunkers of all sorts 1v1 , applies good pressure in teamfights has great conditon removal , some decent protection through use of elixrs, the use of might stacks on elixr use also helps apply extra condition dmg and burst.

So anyway the build :
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-VRR;2Z;0h0u57QFx0;9;4T9-T-46A0;319A;1KN1;3dZH9dgm97Zw

Previous thread :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Love-playing-engi-in-tpvp/first#post1411534

Unfortuantly i dont have any videos of it in practice but to my suprise Teldo adopted the build and has a few vids of it in his stream so u can check it out there and see how it does in pvp…..

for the record i have been playing this build for a long time and only recently posted it , it might or might not be original to me im sure many others have played similar, im merely reposting it due to the fact i have alot of stumped ranger wondering what the build is that is killing them aswell as a lot of people interested in playing engi seeing me play to success with it in hotjoins and wondering what the build is and asking me about it
Regards
Lil Shoota

Voxdeus.1034:

Brvtvs.1572:

From a pvp point of view i would hate grenades to be auto attacking, they work great as they are. Switching targets is a ball ache as it with all the AI flying around , mesmer clones, necro minions, rangers pets hell even that rock dog annoys the crap out of me ! I like to put my greandes exactly where i want them and be able to place them at different locations ( i use my mouse pointer to dictate).
for example a poison grenade on a downed enemy while still nuking someone who is running to him without having to switch targets and just hover my mouse over screen is perfect imo

Of course you realize that the behavior you’re talking about, saturating an area with AoE to prevent rez’ing, is actually something that the devs believe is too strong or needs to be toned down. So it’s probably not the best argument.

Grenades actually take a bit more skill than most other aoe attacks , timing and targeting is far harder , so i am not worried about my statement

From a pvp point of view i would hate grenades to be auto attacking, they work great as they are. Switching targets is a ball ache as it with all the AI flying around , mesmer clones, necro minions, rangers pets hell even that rock dog annoys the crap out of me ! I like to put my greandes exactly where i want them and be able to place them at different locations ( i use my mouse pointer to dictate).
for example a poison grenade on a downed enemy while still nuking someone who is running to him without having to switch targets and just hover my mouse over screen is perfect imo

I noticed a lot of views but no reply. So thought i would briefly explain in case u were not aware that Engi can fulfill a bunker roll.

In fact it use to be its perceived purpose in spvp as the close point holder. Meta changes , popularity increase in other classes after patches has made the engi almost redundant in this role , not because we cant do it , we can and fairly well , just that it is perceived other classes can do it better.

Mesmer having access to portals, ele bunker builds, ranger bunker builds becoming far more popular in recent months, along with a lack of stability on the Engineer have i believe made most engis try to fulfill other roles or change class :P

Anyway the sticky builds thread in these forums has a fair few bunker builds for you to look at , as well as a post in recent days of latest builds compiled together .

As For crowd control abilities bomb kit is your friend if u want some nice cc a a point holder. you also have rifles net shot and knock back, pistol /shield has an aoe knock back on number 4 as well as a stun on 5 from melee attackers, u have slick shoes , rams head , magnet pull on tool kit, and more plenty of options for you to play with. Hope you enjoy

Defektive.7283:

I like to give out my builds in an attempt to help the community. I feel like good builds are hard to come by and so everyone kinda falls into a standard routine. It’s one of the main reasons I hardly play this game anymore.

By sharing your build, you create variety. Which helps make this game tolerable for people like me

Agree with this completely …..This dude made trying warrior tolerable for me with his builds hahaha

engineer would be the strongest class by far if kits were placed on our tool-belt. We would have our weapon skills our kits skills and still all our utilities to place gadgets and elixirs…. It would not play like ele either unless u changed all weapon options because as it stands now the weapon choices for ele dictate what each attunement offers . I don’t want my weapon abilities messed with depending what kit we are attuned too.
Engineer just needs some minor tweaking from traits nothing more.
As for it feeling clunky an awkward……I don’t really get that feeling to be honest. It may be because i started out as engi before trying any other classes and i actually feel it plays rather smooth but perhaps that’s just me

daydream.2938:

Check out teldoo on twitch tv. If anybody is getting more people to play engy its that guy.
He even does well in paid tournies on one.

sorry to ressurect this thread i made however i just thought i mention Teldo is in fact using the build i posted on his twitch channel so if anyone is interested in watching how it does, he shows it off good (although he says he dosent like it much hahah)

Shanks R Us.2489:

So I decided to go with engineer, won 1st place in my first free tourney. Having lots of fun, think I made a good choice. I can’t wait until I have a solid grasp on everything the class has to offer – and being an engineer, it might take a while.

Great choice, can honestly say its the engineer profession that has kept me in love with this game, loads of fun builds , some far simpler than others to be effective with. There is an updated post on engi forums with recent builds maybe you will care to look at and get you tuned into the profession.

AimForThatFace.7814:

I was thinking of making a engineer today but unsure how good they are. Are they broken for example or are they good?

Engineer is a really fun class, for me that’s of number one importance. In many mmos i have played classes that may be deemed strong but i haven’t enjoyed their play-style and as a result my ability to use them effectively has suffered.
I really believe that if you enjoy something you will only get better and better at it and in relation to engineer , it can be as good as you make it.
Try it and give it some time , i don’t think it is as straight forward to learn like some other professions, but once you get to the point where everything feels smooth and fluid you likely wont turn back !

That would mean we would have to choose between a self heal or a kit in its place that can only heal offensive turrets leaving us very vulnerable at the same time not having the option to have toolkit in our utility slots …..to me thats only going backwards.

coglin.1496:

Did the thread specifically refer to them in the context of PvP ?

When I read it, I felt they were speaking in general.

As far as stability goes. I Believe every class should have access to stability, or none should at all. The ability to act, unhindered is very powerful. So much so that it is a great imbalance in my opinion to give it to some professions and not others. Particularly when many professions have utility skill lines dedicated to crowd control. To have access to the ability to negate several weapons skills and entire utility lines is very powerful.

Engineers used to have access to it, and they removed it, because it was OP. Why it was OP for the engineer and not other professions is beyond me. Just like Our grenades get nerfed before they even began discussing the need for AoE reworking.

I do not feel it is an increase of engies. I have always seen many in matches. It is more like players are bringing back the engies they used to play in PvP before negative changes.

Firstly sorry i was under the impression it was related to pvp, its all i play so is my only concern, i couldnt tell you anything about mesmer and thier portals or comment on them in pve or world v world as i havn’t participated in those parts of the game since i dinged 80 shortly after release.

completely agree with what you said in regards to nerfing it on one class and still allowing it on others. Hence my thoughts on giving it back to engi so that we are on par, considering the only game mode we have is conquest with point control as the core aspect.

As to seeing more engis than Mesmer since we have had 1 team vs 1 team , i believe that might be something to do with portals being less effective on the map we have for this game mode this week however when we have the other maps back on paids maybe it will not be so. However my main question is to do with obtaining portal and stability on Engi in regards to tournament pvp and how it would be perceived.

I enjoy my engi , i love playing it in pvp and am just curious.

Hmm you are the second person to mention an increase of engis. Maybe i dont play enough peak time but the server i play on is pretty busy in the mists day and night and there are very few competitive engis playing EU from what i have observed in comparison to every other class. And by competitive i mean holding a spot in a team in tournament play not in hotjoin.

Just been wondering about a thread i read from anet that mesmer portals in pvp were causing them issues and that one option they were looking at was giving it to other classes in pvp. Well seeing as Engi has become the least represented class in tpvp (not factual just observed) would it be a good option to give it to engi , especially since Engi use to fulfill the role that most mesmers do today with thier portals.

Secondly would adding some form of stability to the Engineer bring them on par with other bunker classes ( ele/guard) . Perhaps a master trait or something , im sure we use to have this and it got nerfed or removed or maybe it was a dream .

Anyway just wondered what u guys thought about this and wether these two changes would make a difference to Engi for the good or would it make them OP ?

Hi Hiba , care to elaborate a bit good bad ?

I am by no means denying engi needs some love, far from it. I mentioned in my original post how i felt deluded patch after patch and turned to necro . I have around 200 tourney wins on necro not a great amount but i got bored quickly and only play it when people ask me to play something other than engi haha ( too often for my liking). I am fully aware at their ease of spamming conditions , however what also seems to happen is the necro gets target instantly by good teams and cant quite often be taken out of the game if u dont have someone on your team looking out for you. What i have noticed with playing a build similar on my engi , although maybe not as easy to lay out your damage in terms of what to click and when , i have had alot easier time getting in and out of combat and applying everything i need to without being focused , and its for this reason i meant that its easy.

I do think with a small few tweaks engi will become as viable as every other class, and i honestly feel warriors have it far worse and applaud people like defektivex who constantly try to bring new builds to the table in attempt to find enoyment from their class ( loved his avalanche build for a while and am guna try out the new bow/gs one soon ).
Yes our elites do suck in comparison to others, i would happily take a portal as an elite skill in place of mortar or the rng juggernaut/tornado one, heck i would actually quite like to have something like moa that could turn your oponent into a heap of cogs or something lol.

All im trying to say is its not all doom and gloom and actually i think the state of engineers at the momment is bringing lots of different builds to the fray that wouldnt even be considered if we were not in this state. One i liked the look of was a bunker with guardian runes posted in engi forum , looks quite funny and interesting:)

Did I mention I’m rank 42 in pvp and 90 per cent of that has come as engi , bet ye xplosiv, I agree with what u just said however I don’t think it’s as bad as every class doing things better . As with my condition build I don’t think any other class can rack up that many conditions so quickly and easily . Add a necro into the mix and u have a great advantage in team fights

Well i have to be honest i hardly ever venture out of the mists, been there since i dinged 80 on my engi shortly after release. Anyways would be interested in more feedback from possibly any new or old engi trying this build in spvp.
Pros , Cons , insults all welcome

go check out shootemup build by me lil shoota on structured pvp forum hahhah na only kidding.
I think what Ayestes said is correct about convincing people to play the build. I posted a build in my first ever post on forums tonight, that i doubt is original , it was purely an incentive for people to try it out and maybe enjoy our class over others.

@condiments, you hit the nail on the head when u said its a rush you dont get with other classes.
Maybe it is just me that thinks people arent playing this class anymore, maybe this post should be changed to Engineer apreciation society haha ?

i have toyed with the idea of adding bomb kit to the build , i just feel i am sacraficing alot by removing elixer S, a stun breaker, invunerabilty, guranteed stomp, stealth or stability and condition removal x2 all just seems so much options from one little elixer to give up. i could remove elixer B , but that gives me so much in the way of guranteed speed boost, protection, might etc etc.
However for the role you are suggesting i agree the bomb kit is a great addition in taking down any bunker, i just think the build i have posted is more user friendly and more beginner friendly too i guess. Anyway thanks for the post and i might start playing around with your build

perhaps it is different in NA/EU, maybe i am mistaken but from what i have seen, very few tpvp teams play an engineer in their lineup. In hotjoins (because i still enjoy solo play at times :P) its rare to see another engi amonst the thieves mesmers warrior armys.

Teldo makes the engi look easy but truth is he is just very very good at it, i have played similar builds im sure most engis have, and from my experience (not a massive amount in paids before this week in all fairness) most teams have taken a mesmer over engi in that role.

The build i have posted focuses on simplicity. isnt original in any way but its a build people can pick up easily and start to work out the class and what its capable of before jumping in the deep end with lots of kitswapping combos that might be a little daunting and off putting.

am well aware of Teldo , been watching him since betas and he is the reason i made an engi myself haha . Fact remains less and less people are playing engineer in tpvp. Im not trying to be a hero or anything just wanted to say there are viable builds that you can do well with and think people should give them ago rather than write off the class

Hi my name is Lil Shoota and this is my story.
I am an engineer on desolation EU and live in the mists. My mission is to make more people play engineer so that maybe they will be perceived as viable again.

I started out playing a build similar to the 100 nades build wich has recently got some attention in the forums. It was great fun lots of burst but once i got into free tournaments i was forced into the close cap node defender roll. All well and good but then came along mesmers and thier portals and i felt redundant. Then came along nerf after nerf , patch after patch and i felt completely at odds about my poor Engi ! So i rolled a necro had fun spamming marks and wells for a long time until i realised how much i missed my Shoota !

So after playing virtually every build with my engineer that have been posted on forums, tweaking them to fit me etc etc , i have started playing pistol pistol condition dmg with grenades and man its crazy fun. As with all engi builds there is little room for mistakes but the build feels really fluid , can create havoc in team fights, has decent mobility, really good damage with every condition (excluding fear) aswell as having some burst pressure from grenades and can take down most bunkers 1v1 !

So the build :
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-VRR;2Z;0h0u57QFx0;9;4T9-T-46A0;319A;1KN1;3dZH9dgm97Zw

This build has pretty good surviability with elixers H , B and S together with thier toolbelt skills can get u out of most tight spots and allow u to get back into the fight pretty quickly . The condition removal is top notch and u will likely never die to any condition builds. And the greatest Pro is that you are a P/P engineer , people lol at you for still playing this class and you are at the bottom of the kill on sight list , you can go about your business and have fun !

Anyways try it and lets stop Engis from becoming extinct !

Cheers Lil Shoota