Only people from your team was lagging out. If it was server lag everyone should have been experiencing lag.
Our team and everyone else apparently.
Hi, in regards to WTS. Here’s what happened from our perspective (Blacklisted)
Round 1:
Rubberbanding on both teams, game reset in about a minute from admins.
Reset, Round 1 redux:
Eura lagging out, but we played with it, lost game that’s fine.
Round 2:
Game starts, Hans immediately lags out, Eura begins lagging out. Alerted Grouch immediately to both issues, ask for reset. Hans fully lags out and is kicked from server. Hans tries to rejoin server but it was full, couldn’t get him back into the match. Grouch asks the opposing team if they are ok with a reset. They obviously say no.
Eura rages on that information and just leaves the server.
To the losers bracket!
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Would you mind sharing your complete build?
I’m having trouble chosing weapons since I know it’s best to use LB but sw/wh is kind of a must-have and I’m somehow dead set on having mace/shield as my second set since -not only in xv1 but especially in 1v1- the daze is incredibly useful.
(don’t even get me started on stomp denials in groupfights)
It has a stun to temporarily take out enemies (or a second stomp interrupt) and the block is basically invuln. for 3seconds which helps tremendously in tanking outnumnered bursts.Some other questions: Should I really opt for mercy runes? (assuming I go banner heal)
I was using melandru for banner and soldier for shouts.
Cleric or Settler? From what I gather cleric is better for regen, settler is better for shouts, right?
What about actual banners? When does DR kick in? I was using defense banner for a while but switched to tactics without noticing major differences, plus regen doesn’t quite benefit from healingpower as much as shouts IIRC (?)
Are my rune choices okay?
Is rousing resilience worth it if I take it with 1 stability and shake it off but at the cost of fast hands?
Cleasing ire (considering both mace and sword are hard to land so is it better to just neglect adrenaline completely in this build?) or last stand? Shield master or dogged march? (considering i already have regen, so just for less movement impairing which should be taken care of by WH and shake it off anyway)http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-sF-Cx;0NKVL0_4cLVQ0;9;6TT9;6C48A2;0ZwlFW;1Uwl6Uwl63NY
Thanks for your input everyone.
All in all I’m going to give banners a shot tomorrow (11pm in EU atm)
and see what kind of builds I encounter. In my experience shouts are better against condi and short, high burst as well as 1v1 while banners are more useful in groupfights
and against long sustained damage. But that’s just what I remember from last time playing, which was even befor april feature pack.So my question would be, if not for fun, why would one bunker with a warrior to start with?
I like being tanky and supporting my group but dislike guardians; staff bunker looks just so incredibly dull and a bit too defensive for my taste. War bunker seemed like exactly what I wanted to play. Active gameplay and offensive support through a lot of immob, stun and daze while being really tanky.
Denying stomps by continously chaining cc is really satisfying and more than once did I turn a match through a warbanner in a critical teamfight.
(Tears of raging enemies are soo delicious!)
Something more like this:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-sF-t;1NKVL0e4gLVQ0;9;6OTE;418-48A4;0Sw06X;1TsW6TsW63NY
Things you can switch out – Swap Warhorn / Shield depending on team your fighting (more engis/necros – use warhorn, thiefs/mesmers – use shield)
Same goes for talents, you can drop quick breathing for leg specialist for easier stun setups.
I like to bring the Toughness/Vitality banner over percision simply because my team likes to run 3-4 zerkers. Basically they do a ton of damage as is, adding a little bit ontop won’t help as much. But extra HP/Toughness for you and them beefs everyone up a tad.
Any high level player will say the same thing. Leaderboards dont matter, generally incorrect perception of the meta or whose really doing the best.
Alot of it is preventative, knowing when a condi burst is coming and using zerker stance as a very crude example.
The last few days I’ve dropped cleansing ire entirely and have begun running warhorn/brawlers recovery and purity/generosity sigils.
The ability to break a fear chain before it starts is amazing, and when a condi burst occurs warhorn handles 70 percent of the initial set and weapon swaps do the rest.
I’ve moved away from reactive condi removal that’s tied to me landing an F1 and I’ve been seeing some great results
Edit: Meant cleansing ire
(edited by Defektive.7283)
Shout healing builds can get regen from dogged march, converting poison, other players, even runes – on banner builds regen is all you get. Also discarding the utilities as heal-only isnt proper – fury, might, stun break, condi cleanse, adrenaline generation – all included.
Cygnus summed it up nicely.
Dogged march is essentially a poor mans regen proc with a 60% downtime (10sec icd if memory serves). That’s assuming your crippled etc every 10 seconds like clockwork.
Gaining regen from other sources will primarily come from eles or guardians, at which point having a bunker warrior seems rather futile.
With two utility slots available, you can also get multiple stun breaks, a fear, but more importantly immunities. If 3 people dog pile on you, you will get trained down quickly or lose the cap.
Precision banner is amazing for your team, and vit/toighness banner lets you make more interesting build choices (celestial suddenly becomes tanky).
What I’m trying to say is your margin for error improves and your ability to be flexible increases.
Warlord.9074 is being a little to kind and little to forward.
I’ve just been around for a long time is all.
I’m going to give an in-depth overview of my thoughts on this subject.
Over the last few weeks I’ve attempted different methods of ‘bunker’ warrior including shouts / immunities / regen styles. Hopefully I can pass on some of my findings and experiences in a coherent and constructive manner.
Bunkering as a reference of TIME:
If your job as a bunker is to hold a point for an extended period of time OR play the field / support your teammates, then the amount of time by YOURSELF is the most critically important portion of this discussion.
The inherent goal of the bunker is to hold more than 1 opponent at a time.
If you find yourself being easily trained down in a 1vX scenario, then it’s a clear indicator that your bunker build is not put together properly. The reason this is important is you can allow your team to outnumber (+1ing) points around the field while still maintaining a capture point and staying alive.
Bunkering as a reference of SUPPORT:
If your job is to bunker a point during a TEAMFIGHT, generally making you a ROAMING BUNKER then the ability to help your teammates quickly becomes incredibly important. The reference of time no longer matters since the fights you are in often quickly change. Your job turns into – “how can I support my team, while holding a point, but quickly transfer to a different fight to do more of the same?”
Bunker Builds: Regen vs. Shout Healing. — The Numbers
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Using a Clerics amulet as a standard reference point (932 healing power)
Shout Healing = 2319 HP per shout, Lowest CD = 20 seconds (20, 20, 24 fastest you can be, 3 utilities). This equates to 116hps (per 20 seconds of shouts).
Total HP/s if running FGJ, SIO, OMM = 328.6HP/s — 3 Utilities
Regen = 246hp/s — 1 Utility
What does this mean?
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Over a 20 second period you regen more with 3 Shouts than Banner Regen.
However, you give up two utilities including stability (which as a bunker is incredibly important).
If you drop one shout and grab stability, now Regen heals you more over a 20 second period.
My thoughts and opinion, just based on the numbers:
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Regen healing is better. Why? Because it only takes 1 utility to get 75% of the equivalent healing. Now you can run Zerker Stance or Endure pain. Or maybe double stability? These options let you avoid burst damage and prolong a bunkers staying power.
There are obviously other factors, shouts can remove conditions. Yet with Banner healing you could potentially run Mercy runes for much faster ress’s than Shouts.
Other benefits:
Regen stacks to such high numbers that teammates can effectively peel off and still get 20-30 seconds of regen.
Regen has an AOE field thats 50% larger than Shouts.
This is all opinion with some numbers, but opinions are opinions
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Some people like shouts for the healing and the condi removal. That’s fine, it’s what works for them. I’m a Software Developer, I work by the numbers and trial / error. These are my findings and I hope they were useful to you.
(edited by Defektive.7283)
I wouldn’t say warriors are still awesome in PVP. They are being easly outshined by rangers right now. DD ele, Necro and engi also in better spots in PVP.
For WvW they are needed for condi clears and banners. Nothing changes there however for roaming they are definitely not as good as they used to be and can be killed by anyone decent that knows what they are doing.
PVE they are needed for banners and if it wasn’t for the banners no one would want one. As thier DPS has been reduced to low tier.
Wow because Rom rolled ranger? Theire are plenty of teams right now who are still playing with warrior.
Does it matter if warriors are needed in Pve because of their banners or because of their dps? Mesmer is needed for portals, Guards are needed for stability and aegis … so what? Who cares about their dps if they are still a must have in a group…. PuGs think warrior is the highest dps,though…
No, because it’s a true statement. Warriors don’t bring a ton to the table compared to cele ele/engi or necro fear trains.
You should check the office front for your school if you haven’t, teachers are one thing, but the administrators can force the teachers to schedule things around your needs if you can get them on your side.
I can’t think of any credible professor or institution that would juggle things around because of a video game tournament.
Lets be real.
from dulfy report of latest ready up:
“Warrior – Some changes coming to Mace which doesn’t see a lot of use
Crushing Blow – increase vulnerability from 4 to 10 stacks
Tremor – velocity increased by 12%.excuse me? offhand mace has been THE meta offhand weapon since… forever?
proof the devs don’t really know much about their own product anymore.
It’s never used in PvP, I’m pretty sure that was the point of the change.
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Eura played a similar build this weekend to ROM that he’s been working on for a few weeks, no shortbow though.
Hambow is still popular, the adrenaline changes made it difficult to have alot of condi cleanse (less adren = less F1s) this resulted in a number of classes/builds gaining a 1v1 advantage despite minimal build change from a warrior.
engineers, eles and necros have all had their 1v1 ability improved.
alot of tPvP warriors have once again moved away from the class and less and less teams are fielding warriors (being replaced by eles).
Let’s put an end to the ‘funny’ picture and video replies. Steb you are more guilty of speaking in memes than BMing people, imo.
Thank you so much for this. You have no idea
Expand on this, this is now a need to know conversation.
Standing by.
Personally, I think it comes down to just building yourself to benefit your team.
There’s alot of available build potential if you stick to that mindset.
Which means having a build that can stay alive. Not having a LB in PvP at the moment is a sure path to respawn.
I don’t think that’s true.
LB is definitely great from a perspective of “I need this for me”. If your team has a really strong team presence you can easily get away from LB.
Personally, I think it comes down to just building yourself to benefit your team.
There’s alot of available build potential if you stick to that mindset.
twitch.tv/Defektive
Warrior NA
Gunna start streaming again.
Ok, I’m going to step out of the shadows to respond to this.
Blu has contributed more to this community than anyone else in it. He is an all-star, and deserves to go to Germany and play alongside the people he has been promoting for the past year and a half.
It’s sad seeing some of the top players making disparaging remarks toward him. If you ever want to be taken seriously as a professional gamer, you should consider changing your attitude and acting like an actual professional. That includes being able to graciously accept when a decision is made.
Blu, you do not need defend yourself here. I want you to look at every all-star list for any sport ever played, and tell me that everyone on that list is at equal skill level (guess what, they are not). Now, consider that there are people in the world that need to make others feel bad, or people in the world that don’t know when they make others feel bad. This is the time we live in, and this is how online gaming communities work. They are a microcosm for all the highs and lows in life.
I have been in your shoes before. It’s hard being a public figure. It makes you an easy target. Just know that you are not alone, and know that this is a small blip in the great things you have done for GW2; people will move on.
I hope you will not become too discouraged by this, because you are still loved by many.
Well said.
Well done.
Much Props.
Many Thanks.
My 2c. Before I quit I fell in love with this build:
Cons are bad things, pros are good things
This was an amazing post.
Does it get dirty when you do that?
Only when I hear how poorly the progress is.
Clearly we just need to invent the new Rifle/LB meta so that all classes will bow before our ranged spam. This will fix all problems in the game.
greatsword should fire bullets too.
gunblade style
Does it get dirty when you do that?
Only when I hear how poorly the progress is.
thx, I keep my ear to the ground :P
Devs have known this for 6+ months.
Same thing happens with Axe 5 whirlwind, similar mechanic with different animations and damage radius.
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I lurk from time to time.
Recommend people use Nvidia Shadowplay if they have a 600+ card.
Will make these video card requirements incredibly easy and have literally 0 effect on your PC.
Defektive <3
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not trying to change the subject but as i was a very committed BF player since 2005 i have to say it.
the last good BF was BF2 if you are really looking for the “team player” factor, also the development team is way worse in there, they cant acknowledge their bugs, bad balancing, neglecting original player base and “CoDfing” the whole series .
actually compared to DICE from a so called “BF2 veteran” view, Anet is not bad at all .
I think part of the issue is EA, but when comparing GW2’s team play to that of BF2-4, the BF series takes it hands down.
Personally I was extremely upset regarding the new Wolfenstein not having MP.
Looking at it from GW2’s perspective, they dropped the ball kitten combo fields when it comes to competitive PvP.
ya, i just like having more adrenaline at all times so I can do a max F1 on demand.
Wait, that is the build I posted.
I probably screwed up the link,
20/0/20/0/30
Hey Ash,
I’m waiting on WildStar (I’ll give it a 2-3 month test run before committing, not making the same mistake I did with GW2).
As of late I’ve been playing BF4 on PC. Considering streaming again but I’ve been lazy on that front.
As long as there will be room for experimenting, I’m still playing.
Will you consider coming back, if the game will get better pvp wise?
I’m trying this, for the record. It’s not a longbow build, but it complements it really well. And I used the expertise gathered by defektive about how to build for greatsword.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARTjkOxwtOGPMxBEkCNsKMP+BgoIUKmD7A-ToAg0CnIMSZkzIjRSjsGNsYZB
I think the game has good mechanics and that’s what I loved about GW2. But I’m not a believer in the development team so the long term outlook of the game is the primary reason I left. I’m only willing to play again if there was a management shakeup of some kind.
My only question is Bolas? Did they fix the Z axis pathing?
I don’t know, but the succes rate increases dramatically if you can get a clear shot at point blank range. Very effective with 100 blades, without having to build around stun sacrificing out of burst damage.
Well, they are doing something. For example, solo queue seems better now than before. I joined communicative teams, fighting against good enemies. Before patch I barely did soloqueue because of how awful it was.
Ya but for me I never cared for SoloQ, always been a team-player (hence why I play BF4 now and my past playing Wolfenstein: ET etc.)
So the lack of development changes to capitalize on teamwork and thoughtful skill play makes me a sad defektive.
I’m not a fan of 30pts in strength, don’t know if it’s worth while.
You could do 10/0/20/0/30
Grab 10% GS damage, then burst mastery to make longbow F1 more consistent since you don’t have to manage adren as much
Hey Ash,
I’m waiting on WildStar (I’ll give it a 2-3 month test run before committing, not making the same mistake I did with GW2).
As of late I’ve been playing BF4 on PC. Considering streaming again but I’ve been lazy on that front.
As long as there will be room for experimenting, I’m still playing.
Will you consider coming back, if the game will get better pvp wise?
I’m trying this, for the record. It’s not a longbow build, but it complements it really well. And I used the expertise gathered by defektive about how to build for greatsword.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARTjkOxwtOGPMxBEkCNsKMP+BgoIUKmD7A-ToAg0CnIMSZkzIjRSjsGNsYZB
I think the game has good mechanics and that’s what I loved about GW2. But I’m not a believer in the development team so the long term outlook of the game is the primary reason I left. I’m only willing to play again if there was a management shakeup of some kind.
My only question is Bolas? Did they fix the Z axis pathing?
Hey Ash,
I’m waiting on WildStar (I’ll give it a 2-3 month test run before committing, not making the same mistake I did with GW2).
As of late I’ve been playing BF4 on PC. Considering streaming again but I’ve been lazy on that front.
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i just ran a naked warrior with onlu trinkets and weapon and owned 3 noobs in WvW. warrior is so OP, and i destory spirit rangers and necros with it jus by press F1 in WvW. please nerf
WvW forums are → way.
You’re on the sPvP forums buds.
I’ll be updating the list this Saturday. All responses starting from the EU Pax qualifier will be used in the update.
Hmm – What happened to the update? :P
IRL happened.
Would be happy for someone to take this over, I’ve decided to take a break from the game for a bit.
I would have preferred that this be a setting you can toggle.
I prefer zooming in/out of where I am and then just dragging my mouse around the map when I needed it.
I’ll withold judgement on this build till warriors start making it into the top tier tPvP team comps with this build. If they’re not there yet, that means the counters to it are still stronger and it’s not OP.
/wave
Nice, how’s it playing out up there? Changing the meta? OP? I spend most of my time in WvW so am not fully tuned into the tPvP scene, but consider it the benchmark for all things PvP.
I could be wrong but I think that’s only because defektive has some1 that he runs with for boon strip and coordinates stripping stability.
Correct, we use teamwork to get ahead.
Just like how it’s sweet to run a Condi Mesmer + Epi Necro.
Teamwork makes the dreamwork.
I’ll withold judgement on this build till warriors start making it into the top tier tPvP team comps with this build. If they’re not there yet, that means the counters to it are still stronger and it’s not OP.
/wave
Sick montage man. Well done!
For those who haven’t following the Saltybet twitch channel.
It’s a stream of a fighting game. They place two characters that are AI controlled in a match.
People go on to the website and bet using fake dollars ‘saltybucks’ on who wins the fight.
Using the shout casting system we have in place now that notifies casters that a game is taking place between two teams:
Have an NPC inside Lions Arch near the BLTC NPCs. When a match starts, the NPC announces it.
Players can be 1/5/10g on Team XX or Team YY.
When a match is over and they win, the player makes 85% of their money back.
For the teams that are playing. The winning team gets 10% of the total gold from bets players put down. Losing teams will get 5%.
Example:
10 PvE heros place a total bet of 90g each on Team XXX
90g Total
1 PvE Hero places a bet for 10g on Team YYY
10g Total
Total pot: 100g
Team XXX wins! Joy.
The single PvE Hero loses his money. Period. 10g down the drain, oh well you lost a bet.
The 10 PvE heros rejoice!
Their net income back is 153g.
Subtract 27g (15%).
The teams gain the 27g.
The winning team takes home 17.82g, split 5 ways (3.5g each).
The losing team takes home 9.18g
Now PvE / WvW players can get addicted making a buck off tPvP.
tPvP players get paid for playing well.
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In the end, the build didn’t fit tPvP. It was good for hot joins but didn’t have a niche or enough pressure to be useful in a team setting. So I discontinued it.
Warrior meta has changed dramatically since then though. Back then we didn’t have Healing Signet being good, Cleansing Ire, Zerker Stance being anti-condi, or Final Thrust being able to hit 4-7k with Soldier gear. I tend to focus on SoloQ but thus far my W/L ratio has been pretty kitten good and most games I either get cursed by the enemy team or tanked my my team and even sometimes have the enemy complementing me. It does what it’s made to do well which is to focus on Rangers and Necros while still being useful for point capping and I stand a fair chance against almost ever class. Mesmers and Thieves can be tricky if they are running certain builds but those builds are of favor currently.
I know that you being on a team makes your word a lot more valuable but considering how popular Rangers and Necros Currently are I don’t see how a build that is dedicated to killing them and can kill them very quickly in the case of Spirit Rangers could be considered.
I did draw inspiration from your old build, but this not only has a different trait layout but just feels totally different than it did before because of how much more responsive hammer is now.
The problem is that any stun style of build is going to counter necros or eliminate Spirit Rangers, you don’t have to make a build around it.
The changes to the class only made improvements to our Condi survivability, but the core build I made 6 months ago is essentially the same.
I’m not a huge fan of hammer in competitive PvP anymore because intelligent players know its limitations and abuse the living hell out of it.
It’s ironic, after I posted a build with Mace + GS that got over 10k views…I don’t like using it anymore. Hammer + Sword/Shield has actually been working out a lot better for me because I enjoy its use more. I do agree with you on its limitations, however I think that if you treat it like the Guardian’s GS it can work wonders. GS on Guardian has a really obvious combo that hits hard but has a high CD, I feel like Warrior Hammer is similar. I’m actually going to post another build thread pretty soon so I can get feedback.
Hammer Sw/Sh is fun but not competitive.
And the GS Mace Shield build I run is extremely different than what you’re running. Hell, my damage isn’t even tied to Skull Crack, and at any time I can substitute Mace Shield for almost any other weapon and only have to move 10 traits.
Currently, traited Warhorn does remove 2 conditions on you and your allies.
Charge removes up to 5, Call to Arms up to 2. But it appears, that only one of the two conditions gets converted into a boon. The other one is just removed.
As it stands, traited warhorn has one of the highest condition removal ingame, which also happens to be groupwide and boon spreading.
Just a 3 shouts guardian has a bit more condition removal, if they spent their points on shout cooldown, shout conversion and use Runes of the Soldier.
The amount of conditions cleansed by warhorn is:
(2conditions/12s + 2conditions/16s) / 2 =
(1/6 + 1/8) / 2 conditions per second =
(4/24 + 3/24) / 2 conditions per second =
(7/24) / 2 conditions per second =
7/48 conditions per second = ~1.46 conditions every 10s groupwideA 3 shouts guardian, with 20% shout trait + shout conversion trait+ soldier runes has a conditions per second remove of:
~1.96 conditions every 10s.
Not using the traits or runes halfs that number.
Not using the cooldown trait brings it down to 1.57.Shouts would be Hold The Line, Save Yourselves and Stand Your Ground.
Don’t put your salt in bugs that could get hotfixed the next morning.