Guild Wars 2

LoBo.1724:

Defektive.7283:

Azure.8670:

Defektive.7283:

IDK why I keep coming up in these conversations.

Because youre worth talking about. Take it personally and enjoy it

I am appreciative of that to an extent.

What I don’t like however is how people are being hard headed when it comes to a particular build or playstyle.

If someone doesn’t like stun builds, then simply don’t play a stun build. Play Longbow, or GS, or hell even Axe.

A lot of people are comming in here and commentating on how ‘gimmicky’ a stun build is for tPvP. Well let me say this, have you played against top tier teams? Because if you havn’t noticed a lot of them them run cheesy comps. We’re talking double spirit ranger, double necro. Or triple Spirit Ranger, or Necro Necro Engi. If we have a playstyle that hard counters this cheesy meta then I would hope people take advantage of it for the first time instead of kittening and moaning that it’s not their preferred build.

My 2c.

Translation; “Warriors should be happy playing their suboptimal builds, everyone that is complaining is a dum-dum”.

Anet shill.

If you don’t like it, then don’t play it.

No one is holding you down with a gun to your head screaming at you to play a CC build.

When you join a team that you want to stick with you quickly figure out what your strengths and weaknesses are. For us, we had plenty of spike, plenty of AoE and good bunkers. What we needed was a front line annoyance on the field. Generally this defaults to an Ele. Luckily I have a supportive team that has been pleasantly surprised with the front line capabilities of a CC Warrior. Likewise if we needed AoE then I would be playing a Longbow build.

If you feel that there’s a better way to play a Warrior at a high level, then I implore you to give it a try. Not for the sake of trying to be a kitten, but for the sake of the community and our position as a viable PvP class.

Otherwise your whining and moaning won’t garner you any bonus points around these parts.

Velron.3729:

Turbo Whale.1738:

The stun spamming build is nothing more than a crutch for the class and unskilled warriors. Calling it "counterplay"is not only incorrect but also an insult.

Lollll get outta here with that junk. You sound mad brah.

In a tournament last night against Countless / Bruja and the Minis, the enemy team was triple ressing a player with stability.

We called a stability strip early and I was fast enough to get a stun on each of the ressers (stun, daze, stun). Popped stability, got the stomp.

There’s a lot the stun build does other than lock down an opponent, the team fight and peeling potential is astounding when coordinated with a well oiled crew.

FYI Eura has been apart of Blacklisted [Envy] for about 2 weeks now.

If you like me, hate me, loath me, don’t know me or don’t care what I have to say atleast hear me out on this one subject.

For the longest time one of the main reasons I personally stuck to my Warrior was the community. They were so supportive, so determined to be heard and respected as a class. Because of that community I’ve come to meet and like/befriend a number of Warriors that talk frequently on the forums. Warriors who play completely different games (essentially), some WvW some PvE, some sPvP.

The one thing we all shared was a will to be better. Because of that we all did what we could, shared builds, talked strategies, supported each others streams and learned together how to play this class better.

However, I’ve noticed an increasing trend from Warriors on the Warrior forum. Bad mouthing, putting people down, criticism in an un-constructive manner and general depressing trolling. These actions made me reflect on the community that I’ve grown to love over the past 10 months.

I essentially came to the conclusion that for the few people who are intentionally trying to rain on everyone else’s parade; you need to re-evaluate your concept of contributing to the community.

Bringing each other down doesn’t help to raise the bottom line. As a class we have a stigma in the PvP community. Myself and others are trying our best to bring awareness of our class to the rest of the public. It’s an uphill battle, we fight closed minded perceptions and an unwillingness to learn and accept changes or new concepts.

Please don’t force us to fight within as well as fight others when it comes to the validity of our class.

United we stand.

robocafaz.9017:

Defektive.7283:

Defektivex
PvP
I play a warrior.

No scrubs allowed, Defektive, get outta here! Shoo!

because of that, I’m rerolling ele!

Azure.8670:

Defektive.7283:

IDK why I keep coming up in these conversations.

Because youre worth talking about. Take it personally and enjoy it

I am appreciative of that to an extent.

What I don’t like however is how people are being hard headed when it comes to a particular build or playstyle.

If someone doesn’t like stun builds, then simply don’t play a stun build. Play Longbow, or GS, or hell even Axe.

A lot of people are comming in here and commentating on how ‘gimmicky’ a stun build is for tPvP. Well let me say this, have you played against top tier teams? Because if you havn’t noticed a lot of them them run cheesy comps. We’re talking double spirit ranger, double necro. Or triple Spirit Ranger, or Necro Necro Engi. If we have a playstyle that hard counters this cheesy meta then I would hope people take advantage of it for the first time instead of kittening and moaning that it’s not their preferred build.

My 2c.

IDK why I keep coming up in these conversations.

Sunni.2948:

When do you think we can expect to see the results?! also, will it be in this thread or a new one? Ive been really into the adrenaline rising videos and excited to see some builds!

Sometime this week, waiting for K Pop to get on to hit me up so we can start this.

Will probably make a new thread or update this, IDK yet.

Defektivex
PvP
I play a warrior.

Defektive pre-patch.

I’ll do a video tonight or tomorrow showing how to deal with Blind Thiefs from a control build standpoint.

They are much harder to deal with the glassier you get because your margin for error drops as you have less toughness and HP.

Mesmer is a little bit different but still has a similar feel to playing against a thief.

I appreciate people coming in here and wanting to share their builds, but I’d like to keep the conversation more focused on the Warrior guide.

Specifically what play style they’d like to see.

Right now a Hammer / Mace control style is the most favorable. Keepem comming, K Pop and I will review the submissions.

If people really want a GS / Longbow style or Rifle then we can easily get BryBry or Tarcis to do those types since thats the style they prefer to play.

Mace build +3
Hammer build +6
Hybrid DPS +1
Greatsword +1
Longbow +3
Rifle +1 (tbh I prob won’t do this one, but I’ll see if Bry can since he likes it).

People also would like to see some guides vs specific classes (Mesmers, Thiefs), I think I can make that happen this weekend.

<3
twitch.tv/Defektive

Mace build +1

Hammer build +1

Hybrid DPS +1

Hi there,

K Pop and I are going to be doing an intothemist Warrior guide for s/tPvP.

We’re at a cross road concerning what build to do.

Please sound off / vote below on what build you would like to see.

Thanks fellas!

-D

BurrTheKing.8571:

Defektive.7283:

SPESHAL.9106:

Maybe you haven’t been globalled by a grenade engineer or kill shot by a warrior, but power/crit builds are still dealing massive damage too.

wait what, we’re talking about PvP right?

I sure am, I mean, it’s the SPvP forum. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen a viable Kill Shot warrior. To deal that giant crit requires being as fragile as a glass thief with none of the sustain. Saying something is a L2P issue then saying something like that is a good way to have me take nothing you say seriously.

Now I’m just incredibly confused. Can we still be friends?

SPESHAL.9106:

Maybe you haven’t been globalled by a grenade engineer or kill shot by a warrior, but power/crit builds are still dealing massive damage too.

wait what, we’re talking about PvP right?

papaganoosh.7908:

Defektive.7283:

Velron.3729:

I’m fairly certain that the +stun duration sigils do not stack. Actually pretty sure Defektive said he tested it with one and with two…or maybe I watched him do it on his stream.

I tested it on-stream for the people who kept asking me to try it.

Doesn’t stack.

I’ll test it again tonight I suppose and will use a stop watch.

Did you manage to test this? I had a go and it appears both 1 and 2 just create a 4 second stun (at full adren).

Like everyone else is saying if Stuns are rounded then it doesnt matter if you go for +15% or +30%, it will all = 4 seconds, which is what it appears to do. If you had a 4 sec stun it might be possible to test it properly as one would be rounded to 5 and one to 6, but we don’t.

correct. thats why you shouldn’t use both.

My only issue with the overall flow of PvP are the radius of each AoE attack.

I would prefer to see more single target setups and reduce the cleavyness of both power and Condi builds. IMO would promote more team fighting and situational positioning.

This goes for Warrior Longbow F1.

No attack should be larger than a whole capture point, last for 8 seconds, and do approx 10k damage to each player standing in it for the full duration.

Velron.3729:

I’m fairly certain that the +stun duration sigils do not stack. Actually pretty sure Defektive said he tested it with one and with two…or maybe I watched him do it on his stream.

I tested it on-stream for the people who kept asking me to try it.

Doesn’t stack.

I’ll test it again tonight I suppose and will use a stop watch.

divinity runes + celestial amulet will simulate celestial armor.

they have been in the game since launch.

most AoEs that don’t last longer than the first attack will miss with blind.

AncientYs.8613:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Could be something to shoot for.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAR5ejcOpwtQyOMxBEkCNsKOKUCmQ9YO2w4A-jkxAoLB5EYR0YrgFRjVXjpOJiq9GER1yAwMGA-

Sigil of Paralyzation on mace, whatever you want on shield, and either an on crit proc for GS like Fire or Strength or you can get a flat bonus on stunned/disabled targets by 10%.

How is this build compared to berserkerz 30/0/0/30/10 in terms of damage? Still decent? Or way too low? I would
appreciate an answer thanks!

AncientYs.8613:

Why am i being ignored? I have just started a warrior and genuinely need some help…. And i most definately do not find it necessary to create a new thread when my question relates directly to something someone posted here!

It would be noticeably lower.

papaganoosh.7908:

Defektive.7283:

Impromptu bunker Warrior?

That feel.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/That-feel-when-tPvP-win-vs-goods-Mmmmmmm/

I used a similar trip stance + soldiers ammy build scrimming against some team mates last night. It’s awesome when they send 3 guys after you in a team fight before realising you aren’t that normal squishy Warr with no defences.

WP btw. I semi-watched the hour and a bit when you played the same guys 3 times in a row and beat them every time. Shows how useful a Warr can be if played correctly.

I’m finding the class is only viable if your teammates are there to pick up the slack regarding cleave.

I don’t think Warrior Cleave is viable right now since it’s so much better for other classes.

In the end, we probably won’t see many Warriors in the current meta anyway since they are difficult to pick up and work around if you’ve never done it before. I’m just lucky that 70% of my team have been playing together for 6+ months. A lot of teams don’t have that luxury.

Thanks everyone for the views!

We here at Blacklisted [Envy] are looking to bring matches like these to the tournament scene!

DanzelOPP.5068:

You don’t see warrior in high level play anymore because there are other classes that full their roll better. I run a 100 blades warrior in hot join because I can get my kicks by killing people who don’t know what they are doing in about 2 seconds. It’s a lot harder to run warrior against people who actually play together.

http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/c/2576919

Seemed to be do pretty fine.

Impromptu bunker Warrior?

That feel.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/That-feel-when-tPvP-win-vs-goods-Mmmmmmm/

KrisHQ.4719:

Meh. Expected the blue team to win when I saw the last node starting to get neutralized.
I’ve seen more epic comebacks, but it still seemed like a great match

The reason we were so tense about it is because we were down almost 100 points the whole match and prior to making the comeback JBUO got the three point buff. Was a very uphill battle around 400 points.

+1 for Voziepoo

BurrTheKing.8571:

His build is tougher but I have to question whether its survival is that much better. With condis being the meta toughness doesn’t count for much anymore, and you simply have to save Endure Pain for any Thief/Ele spikes that come your way. Not to mention the evade on Whirlwind Attack can still be a lifesaver. I gotta say though Tremor is a nice skill. This build seems more focused on the control element while mine is singling out a target (usually Necro) and takinging them out of the fight as fast as possible. The synergy between Unsuspecting Foe, Forceful GS, and Hoelbrak runes is also something I enjoy.

Survivability is indeed much higher due to better escapes, on-demand immobolize and an additional ranged stun.

I’m not a fan of GS for this style of build what-so-ever.

Your job on the team isn’t to do cleave damage or insane spike, thats what other classes are there for (and have always been the reason not to take a warrior).

As soon as I stopped trying to make the deeps happen and relied on my teammates for that spike / cleave – my job became much clearer. If my team is cleaving a downed body, then my job is to interrupt the ressers and keep them in that AoE cleave.

Because of that it makes trait choices, sigil choices and the like much easier since I’m trying to fullfil two roles (roaming / team fight) not 3 (roaming / team fight / aoe cleave).

food 4 thought.

TLDR, most Warrior builds over extend themselves and I think that’s one of the primary reasons we’re not needed in tPvP.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Bump please, I am searching again and instead of creating a new thread, I will just revive this one.

solid warrior, would upvote again.

Authority.6145:

Defektive.7283:

Authority.6145:

Great Streaming. Keep it up.

Here is the build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRApe8ZjcOtwxQqQ4wBE0jrQDriTBlQ9wOmD8A-TwAA1CtIMSZkzIjRSjsGNKYFwugJCA

Incorrect, but nice try!

I give up. I simply can’t get your 24.512 HP.

So kitten you.

Anyway goodnight.

<3 night

Authority.6145:

Great Streaming. Keep it up.

Here is the build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRApe8ZjcOtwxQqQ4wBE0jrQDriTBlQ9wOmD8A-TwAA1CtIMSZkzIjRSjsGNKYFwugJCA

Incorrect, but nice try!

streaming tPVP matches.

twitch.tv/defektive

ahuba.6430:

which are you? the “arrrrr HOLD MID arrrrr” one?

no that was our guardian lol.

http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/c/2570590

That feel.

After further testing.

Melandru works against Fear still, doubling up:

-25% stun
-25% condition

results: 3 second fear → 1.5

i dont think melandru STUN portion works on Fear anymore since the Sigil of Paral worked on fear, now it doesnt. makes sense for it to not affect fear anymore. but i’ll do some testing.

visuaL.4807:

What is the build Schwarheit??
Can u link the build? Ty

It’s my friend Schwahrheit’s build, you can message him in-game if you’re interested about it. He specifically asked me not to give it out.

Apologies but I have to keep my word.

Med.6150:

Well, it’s hard to prove to you now, but there was no way that Bull’s Charge and Skull Crack had the same duration with Paralyzation sigil pre-patch.

Dazes, fears (only on servers but not in the mists for whatever reason) and stuns were affected.

Apologies, you’re correct the sigil would not affect knockdowns, but melandru however, did.

Med.6150:

These never affected knockdowns in the first place.

Pre-patch they did.

We’re thinking it was changed with the recent Fear change to Sigil of Paralyzation.

Did some testing this morning with Schwahrheit.

Found that Melandru no longer does a reduction on Knockdowns (it still does it to stuns).

Also found that Sigil of Paralyzation no longer affects Knockdowns as well.

Can other people confirm this?

streaming some tournaments.

twitch.tv/defektive

TRoopEr.5364:

Defektive.7283:

TRoopEr.5364:

Defektive.7283:

TRoopEr.5364:

I supported ANET everywhere BUT why you do such a poor orginisation that you make this :

Registration will open next week, for players that live in Canada, United States of America, Mexico, and European Union countries and are 18 years of age or older, so solidify your team and watch GuildWars2.com for more information about registration, rules, and eligibility requirements.

Realy? You don’t care about other customers? How the hell you could even make it a FIRST OFFICAL GW2 Tournament?!

I am not speaking about poor-prizes that is like mix of mistleague-anet-mmorpg.com,thats another story.

But letting people to participate only from particular contries? And you want this to be e-sports?

For the first tournament they officially sponsor as well as being a company, the regulations and restrictions regarding regions they have set forward are fairly common.

It’s extremely difficult to adhere to all laws from a number of areas across multiple countries. For an intro-tournament, it’s better to have that part of it go smoothly and test the waters.

Makes sense.

So yeah thats why dota ( the best expample of good e-sport) had no restriction for there first guest tournament, not speaking about prize.

Valve has a lot more experience hosting, supporting and sponsoring tournaments. I’m sure they’ve worked out all the legal tricks regarding this. ArenaNet is doing it fresh.

They’ll work it out, nothing happens perfectly the first time.

http://guildwars.com/competitive/pastseasons/default.php

LOW EXPERIANCE RLY?

Previous staff. A ton of GW1 staff now works for Riot. Notice how they are able to do these large tournaments consistently and successfully?

A lot of the GW2 staff is new to this, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt this first time around.

TRoopEr.5364:

Defektive.7283:

TRoopEr.5364:

I supported ANET everywhere BUT why you do such a poor orginisation that you make this :

Registration will open next week, for players that live in Canada, United States of America, Mexico, and European Union countries and are 18 years of age or older, so solidify your team and watch GuildWars2.com for more information about registration, rules, and eligibility requirements.

Realy? You don’t care about other customers? How the hell you could even make it a FIRST OFFICAL GW2 Tournament?!

I am not speaking about poor-prizes that is like mix of mistleague-anet-mmorpg.com,thats another story.

But letting people to participate only from particular contries? And you want this to be e-sports?

For the first tournament they officially sponsor as well as being a company, the regulations and restrictions regarding regions they have set forward are fairly common.

It’s extremely difficult to adhere to all laws from a number of areas across multiple countries. For an intro-tournament, it’s better to have that part of it go smoothly and test the waters.

Makes sense.

So yeah thats why dota ( the best expample of good e-sport) had no restriction for there first guest tournament, not speaking about prize.

Valve has a lot more experience hosting, supporting and sponsoring tournaments. I’m sure they’ve worked out all the legal tricks regarding this. ArenaNet is doing it fresh.

They’ll work it out, nothing happens perfectly the first time.

TRoopEr.5364:

I supported ANET everywhere BUT why you do such a poor orginisation that you make this :

Registration will open next week, for players that live in Canada, United States of America, Mexico, and European Union countries and are 18 years of age or older, so solidify your team and watch GuildWars2.com for more information about registration, rules, and eligibility requirements.

Realy? You don’t care about other customers? How the hell you could even make it a FIRST OFFICAL GW2 Tournament?!

I am not speaking about poor-prizes that is like mix of mistleague-anet-mmorpg.com,thats another story.

But letting people to participate only from particular contries? And you want this to be e-sports?

For the first tournament they officially sponsor as well as being a company, the regulations and restrictions regarding regions they have set forward are fairly common.

It’s extremely difficult to adhere to all laws from a number of areas across multiple countries. For an intro-tournament, it’s better to have that part of it go smoothly and test the waters.

Makes sense.

Lighter.5631:

how much did he pay you?

tbh i’m not quite sure what the point of this thread is since anyone can IM me in-game if needed.

papaganoosh.7908:

Rampage on Skyhammer is hilarious

this

I don’t mind helping out here and there if I have time.

You guys need help with things like splits, over extending etc.?