Guild Wars 2

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Defektive.7283:

It’s fair, deal with it, spend 5$ and get a mic. Most laptops have a mic built in.

TS, Mumble, Ventrilo are all free.

Plus Arenanet can’t ban TS, it’s not affecting in-game play in any way (doesn’t change or modify files).

TS doesn’t affect in game play?

Yea that’s why we all use it right? To make our play better.

No, it doesn’t affect in-game play. It affects cooperation and team-play, but in terms of in-game play AKA files or structures removed or remapped as in altering the game in anyway. Then no, TS does not affect that.

ArenaNet jurisdiction does not apply to your computer, but it does however apply to their files.

Get TS, Mumble or Vent. If you want to que up for tournaments and win, then use these available means as a method to improve your play.

teonimesic.1403:

Defektive.7283:

teonimesic.1403:

Its actually very simple to do this. Here is how i, as a developer (not for anet) would do it (in no language in particular):

function checkGameStart(timer, teamA, teamB){
if(teamA.players == teamB.players)
startMatch()
else
timer.clock += 15
return false
end
}

And i would call this every time that clocks gets to 0. Voila

Need to set your function to return a boolean otherwise your return false is going to error out.

Also, just to nitpick, it would be teamA.players.count == teamB.players.count.

And if you wanted to be even nicer about it. Loop and confirm each side has readied up. If not, provide 1 extra minute before a forced start.

Not really, as i said, this was in no language in particular… Dynamic languages such as Ruby or javascript do not need a type declaration on them. You can return whatever. I agree with your second remark thought, players was a bad name for a integer variable, it should either be playersCount or players.count

I stand corrected Been programming in .Net all day today so I immediately jumped to that based on what you had wrote.

Copenhagen.7015:

Defektive.7283:

Copenhagen.7015:

Good thing condi Warriors aren’t getting attention yet. Combustive Shot aoe fire field can do 8k damage and its aoe. How to kill a Warrior? Kite him. But kill yourself in the process when you’ve got torment constantly being reapplied. If it stacks up to 5 and you keep moving. It will do a cool 6k damage. Dont mind the quickest application of bleeds of any class either. That’s not a problem. I’ll kite him. Even though i’ll be immoblized in a fire field with bleeds and torment taking chunks of my health similar to how a burst class would take your health down. Borderline overpowerd Condi Warriors and the other classes take the limelight. Fine with me!

Condi Warrior not viable in s/tPvP

Eh that’s just your opinion. Sorry it don’t have any stuns.

Don’t need stuns to be viable, need consistent pressure to be viable.

Condi Warrior takes to long to make a full impact. Unlike Necros or Engis who can front-load conditions immediately for spike, Warriors have to get into the thick of battle to provide their highest Condi spike (Bleed).

That means you’re taking considerable AoE cleave to provide a spike of 1 condition. Compared to other condi classes who can AoE condition from a range to avoid spike, and apply 3+ at once.

Condi Warrior doesn’t work in tPvP mi amor. Atleast, not at a high level.

teonimesic.1403:

Its actually very simple to do this. Here is how i, as a developer (not for anet) would do it (in no language in particular):

function checkGameStart(timer, teamA, teamB){
if(teamA.players == teamB.players)
startMatch()
else
timer.clock += 15
return false
end
}

And i would call this every time that clocks gets to 0. Voila

Need to set your function to return a boolean otherwise your return false is going to error out.

Also, just to nitpick, it would be teamA.players.count == teamB.players.count.

And if you wanted to be even nicer about it. Loop and confirm each side has readied up. If not, provide 1 extra minute before a forced start.

It’s fair, deal with it, spend 5$ and get a mic. Most laptops have a mic built in.

TS, Mumble, Ventrilo are all free.

Plus Arenanet can’t ban TS, it’s not affecting in-game play in any way (doesn’t change or modify files).

Weapon is nigh unuseable in tPvP simply because teams are intelligent enough to focus down a Zerker warrior.

If you run Rifle, and want to pump out enough damage to be noticeable, then you have an extremely open weakness to being pressured. Most good teams will cleave you down in a few moments when they realize whats going on.

Only volley is worth while, Killshot isn’t useful due to its cast time and how easy it is to view the animation.

All the other attacks (minus knockback) have to long of a cast time, or don’t do enough useful damage or effect to be considered.

In the end, running Rifle for your team will actually hurt them more than help – if you want to be ranged and a Zerker, only longbow right now is the viable option.

FYI:
My team tried running me as Rifle all last night, sure I did damage, but not enough of anything else to be considered a useful part of a teams composition.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Defektive.7283:

Let me get this straight, you want mobs to stand still and not be active, so that one skill can do better.

You should get rewarded for doing that high damage by being intelligent and using certain skills to achieve it.

If anything, this will promote more active play and make people consider other weapons as a result.

More likely i want to see hb reworked..in fact i always been saying that. It inst even rewarding anymore, i can get the same results if not better with axe or sword.

As for mobs i actually like that change and i hope we will see more of them in future

Agreed it does need a rework, I moved on from GS over 6 months ago.

Let me get this straight, you want mobs to stand still and not be active, so that one skill can do better.

You should get rewarded for doing that high damage by being intelligent and using certain skills to achieve it.

If anything, this will promote more active play and make people consider other weapons as a result.

Krayiss.4926:

@binary rain
Ive only talked about downed fear wand warrior fear in OP Just to be clear still havent said anything about doom fear yet. And why do you think they added a giant icon for the doom skill? Because it doesnt matter, no it does. Anet doesn’t just add things for the sake of hey lets do this and that.

@defektive ya sure but I still think that icon is ridiculous. I would rather have the arm pull back hammer downed animation over the large ICON.

TBH I’d like both.

Skills being visible is essential to this game, limiting them in any way only gives one class an advantage over another.

Wallace MacBix.2089:

Zach.3264:

I actually like Flurry, the only problem I have is I find myself activating it alot right as the enemy goes out of my reach, so I’m stood there for a second or two slashing at thin air doing absolutely no good.

I wish you were able to move while using it, though it would also need a new animation as the one I can imagine in my head looks awful.

You can dodge roll to cancel the attack (I think changing weapons also works, but can’t log in to check).

I go over proper attack canceling in that video.

My 2c.

Build is not viable, at all, under any circumstance.

You can’t tank against 2 good players.

You don’t deal enough damage to put out enough pressure.

Your peels are limited to immobolizes (meh).

In essence, by running this you are just ‘there’, and thus not helping your team.

I applaud you for trying something odd, but I wouldn’t endorse this from a PvP perspective.

I think the Asura argument is a little over rated.

As a Warrior, we have some of the largest animations in the game (rather easy to see what we were doing).

For the past year I’ve been playing an Asura because I assumed that it allowed me to hide my animations better.

With the latest patch and Effect’s getting toned down, I decided to test my previous assumption.

For the last 3 days I’ve been playing a female human warrior. At first I thought (this is going to suck). But at this point, I actually feel that it makes no difference. I land the same amount of attacks, I hit just as hard in the same range.

Mind you, these are against great tPvP players, so I would assume that if they had easier access to my animations they would outplay me, yet it didn’t really change much.

IMO, animations being on a readable level is important. Should it come down to the race you play? No, but they should be easily readable by any player, and thus punishable if you can counter it.

They’ve stated after Pax Prime they are going to revisit these classes, so prob atleast 2-4 months before any significant changes.

I just like it for the instant immobolize.

Please leave that lone.

I want to step in here real quick and let people know regarding warrior ‘dominance’ in HOTM.

Yea, that’s not true.

You can’t count hotjoins as ample ground to verify Warrior viability. In HOTM, only tPvP is king – and there’s a reason why there’s barely a handful of warriors in high end tPvP.

Regarding this build, I think it’s a good introductory build to CC Warrior, but for the life of me (in HOTM), I would never run GS.

Warrior banners should be pets that fly around in small miniature carpets body blocking attacks

Copenhagen.7015:

Good thing condi Warriors aren’t getting attention yet. Combustive Shot aoe fire field can do 8k damage and its aoe. How to kill a Warrior? Kite him. But kill yourself in the process when you’ve got torment constantly being reapplied. If it stacks up to 5 and you keep moving. It will do a cool 6k damage. Dont mind the quickest application of bleeds of any class either. That’s not a problem. I’ll kite him. Even though i’ll be immoblized in a fire field with bleeds and torment taking chunks of my health similar to how a burst class would take your health down. Borderline overpowerd Condi Warriors and the other classes take the limelight. Fine with me!

Condi Warrior not viable in s/tPvP

0/30/20/0/20

Adrenaline regen of Furious + Longbow F1 utterly destroys going 30pts in Disc.

Depends on team comp and strategy.

Bunkers are generally found where the highest probability for a team fight will occur.

overlord.7283:

really? are they looking there all over there?

It’s just a good hub. I mean, it is the unofficial sPvP server. Basically all the best players and teams go there, so if you’re serious you should (don’t need to obviously) be there.

You may have better luck in HOTM of Anvil Rock. I’m unsure how successful these forums have been.

Guys.

Please keep it focused on the Tier list.

Troll comments or Sarcasm aren’t conducive to a decent conversation.

I’ll be updating the list this Saturday. All responses starting from the EU Pax qualifier will be used in the update.

Ranger (Spirit)
Guardian (Bunker)
Thief (D/P or S/D)
Necromancer (Condi)
X

X being generally an Engi (grenade), or a second Necro (condi) or Spirit Ranger.

This meta is so cheesy.

Zenith.7301:

samo.1054:

Video works just fine for me…

The video works. The link to the build in the video does not.

The build is so old theres been so many trait revisions that the websites probably won’t work with whats posted on their now.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Kjeldoran.3849:

braq.1298:

As title says, Why there isnt any Warrior in tourment?

this means warrior need some love from devs?

no, simply because tournaments (in hearth of the mists) are only for condition builds or tanky builds… no more… since a guardian bunker is better than a warrior bunker there are only few skull crack builds and… condition builds of course… and since warriors don’t get a really good contition build: skull crack or nothing, this is hearth of the mists! enjoy.

No, it’s because Defektive won’t let us use our own builds when we’re about to start a match against the ranger SOAC tourny team and forces us to use greatsword when we hate the weapon and/or have never used it aside from unlocking skills in PvE.

I’m going to say this one more time since it happened a long time ago.

It was a duo-coach. Myself and KPop.

I was 10 minutes late to the match even starting because of work.

KPop didn’t even show until after the first match.

Every other team was running builds their coach gave them.

If you didn’t know how to use a Greatsword if I asked you to play greatsword, then you should have made it known so that we could have redid your build.

That being said, if you simply unlocked your skills in PvE and never touched it in PvP, I’m unsure as to why you wanted to play in the Warrior PVP team considering that sounds like you’ve had minimal time with the class at all – let alone in PvP.

Those tournaments aren’t for something to come in and say ’I want to play my own build!" – This is a team game. Each player has to fit a team role. On that note, we let one guy do his own thing as a Condi Sword/Sword LB build and we all know how well that turned out.

As for the PAX Tourny, yes I competed. Overall, myself on a Warrior did rather well – a lot of people sent compliments as well as saying they could definitely see Warriors in higher level play.

We did have an issue with our thief getting trained but our team did the best we could for peeling – but that’s difficult against a good S/D thief.

We won our opening fights (which are arguably the hardest to do) but had a difficult time regrouping after a teamfight loss.

Arken.3725:

Arken.3725:

Defektive.7283:

Arken.3725:

I wasn’t able to watch but did envy have their original roster?

We did.

We had a strong initial team fight win but couldn’t pull it together after a first wipe.

Was good games tho :P

All good man It’s a great experience man. I envy you, no pun intended. ;-) I bet they were some great matches.

When I get off tomorrow, I’d like to hear a breakdown if you guys don’t mind.

sure sure, you know where to find us

Arken.3725:

I wasn’t able to watch but did envy have their original roster?

We did.

We had a strong initial team fight win but couldn’t pull it together after a first wipe.

Was good games tho :P

Zenith.7301:

Anybody tried this with Fear Me, Berserker’s Stance and Balanced Stance? I’ve encountered several wvw warriors in it and it’s just a beastly 1v1 build. People either have to waste dodges not getting stunlocked to death by hammer, getting instead stunned by Quake into an eviscerate, or they dodge the eviscerate but have to hit hammer CC.

The sustained damage from axe autoattack is just incredibly high in a mix of knight+berk.

Lyssa Runes and Signet of Rage, high swiftness uptime and gap closers so you don’t get kited at all.

Either way all they need to kill you is axe auto you to death.

Seems like s/d thief is the only build that gives them a run for their money.

Really old, but yea.

OMG SO EXCITE

x15char rerollakitten

it:

Solid video.

Ultima.8673:

S-tier:

1. Engineer
2. Necro
3. S/Dthief
4. Spiritranger

A- tier:

Bunkerguardian

rest doesn’t interest me anymore cause of broken meta

Pretty much this, but I’m slowly getting bitter about this games PvP – and the reaction speed of ArenaNet’s upper management.

fadeaway.2807:

Is Defektive still around to compile this?

I’m around, just waiting until impressions after PAX qualifiers. then will be doing it again after the finals.

Nova Stiker.8396:

saVdoom.2067:

Defektive.7283:

saVdoom.2067:

Thedenofsin.7340:

Give it some time. Once people start building counter comps to the meta, perhaps mesmers will be in the counter-counter comps.

Lol. Before this last patch with loads of adjustments, warriors and necromansers were also not part of the meta… and it was “given some time”… and they were still not viable in the meta… until a significant patch hit it, changing some specs and abilities.

Regarding the spirit ranger, if you check patch notes they were significantly buffed but the BM spec was still better, until they got nerfed. Then it was a normal change to the spirit spec.

Warriors are still not apart of the meta btw.

Exactly, but still rather more “viable” then mesmers in a team comp due their perma stun/daze spec being more useful to teams. Plus berserk stance.

And people will still say “give it time for warriors…” ?

3 Necromancers to roam between, 2 warriors to hold points. Necromancers spam AoE conditions and heavy boon denial and Warrior to spam single target and AoE stuns.

There you go, a practically unbeatable team comp.

You should make this team and roll with it all the way to #1 mistleague.

This thread is amazing.

Bear on the job.6273:

Confusion does very low damage, unless you are specced completely for condition damage. With 0 condition damage, each stack only does 65 damage, so those 4 stacks only add up to 260 damage when they attack…less than retaliation at 916 (base) power. None of your other attacks will be doing any condition damage, so it would be worthless to spec for it.

Distracting strikes is one of the most worthless traits for warriors. It is a condition damage trait in a power-based trait line. It’s a Master level trait too, so you’re wasting 20 pts just to get it. Also, the condition damage based weapons for warrior (sword and longbow) have no way of interrupting an enemy. You would have to rely entirely on utilities.

The trait should be completely reworked, or discarded entirely. I like the idea of giving warriors a way to apply confusion, but it needs to be in the Arms line, and needs to work off a mechanic other than stun. Maybe immobilize would trigger it instead of interrupt.

I’m championing Distracting Strikes changed to ‘Corroding Strikes’:
Applies 4 stacks of Vulnerability for 8 seconds on interrupt.

just nerf the body blocking on AI. would solve a lot of headaches.

Ashanor.5319:

Laceration.4290:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Laceration.4290:

Juunro.7082:

I could see this being mean in 1v1 fights, but honestly? When the hell do 1v1 fights ever really happen?

If you’re talking about WvW, they happen quite often. Don’t just mindlessly wander after the commander, try doing some solo roaming every once in a while.

I do solo roaming almost always when I WvW, and much of the time I run into groups of 2-3. It’s an off-chance that only one peels to fight, or I only see one person also roaming.

2 players should not be that much of a problem, 3 depending on gear and skill. But yeah, i’m happy that i’ve been lucky to find some nice solo roamers lately.

You need to be more honest. Two good players is a problem, for any class, Two really bad players is not a problem, for any class.

This.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Since people are only considering 4 out of the 32 teams to be of any consequence, I’m going to root for a Cinderella story.

My money is on them too.

DoYourBestBear.6810:

I do not mean to be negative here – but that tournament seeding looks suspect to me. Free ride to the final match up for the qualifier for AL, boring matches ensue. And in the second bracket set you have SYNC, USA, and Envy – just a little lopsided is all.

^

But I have little wiggle room to complain, we (Envy) can’t play on Saturday, so seeing us on the Sunday ladder is a sigh of relief so far.

The animations are tighter so it’s more difficult to see what they are doing. Detrimental against other players because it’s harder to see a hammer stun or something coming compared to a Norn etc.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

If he’s guarding a close point, he has no choice but to eat my burst, even if he does manage to avoid it, he’d have to waste most of his evades, or allow me to neutralize the point. In which case, my Lich still has enough power to finish him off. Also, his Spirits would immediately be dead from my Lich+Well burst.

Hypothetical’s are nice.

I’ll be in agreement when I see it. Team’s purposely exploit classes for their cheesiest mechanics. If this was a definite truth we’d see more Minion or Well mancers 1v1ing spirit rangers.

Daecollo.9578:

As I said before, mending’s CD should be reduced to 15 seconds and be instant cast.

Heals can’t be instant cast. Because then there would be no way to interrupt it. Which is a key part of any strong fight.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Defektive.7283:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Minionmasters can last longer, and do significantly more damage than a Spirit Ranger, so they are both even in that sense.

They can provide Condition removal, constant combo fields, heavy CC, and boons for their teammates. So again, both even, just in different ways.

Fight High Warlord Sikari to see what a skilled Minionmaster can do.

Ya I’m not sure about the last longer portion considering a good spirit ranger has evade frames and AoE blinds.

I’ve seen my teammate survive against 4 players at once in a tPvP for over 30 seconds. We were amazed (and jealous). Pretty sure a necromancer would have gotten trained pretty hard in that circumstance.

The issue isn’t really a 1v1, it’s can you outlast someone+ indefinitely?

It entirely depends on whom the Spirit Ranger/Minionmancer are fighting. I can easily defeat a Spirit Ranger in under 9 seconds with my Wellmancer if I decide to use Lich form.

When/If I see you in combat against our spirit ranger, i’ll be sure to bring a stop watch.

When every highend team is running 1+ Warrior, I think then we can come back to this thread.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Minionmasters can last longer, and do significantly more damage than a Spirit Ranger, so they are both even in that sense.

They can provide Condition removal, constant combo fields, heavy CC, and boons for their teammates. So again, both even, just in different ways.

Fight High Warlord Sikari to see what a skilled Minionmaster can do.

Ya I’m not sure about the last longer portion considering a good spirit ranger has evade frames and AoE blinds.

I’ve seen my teammate survive against 4 players at once in a tPvP for over 30 seconds. We were amazed (and jealous). Pretty sure a necromancer would have gotten trained pretty hard in that circumstance.

The issue isn’t really a 1v1, it’s can you outlast someone+ indefinitely?

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Namely because of a strong generic ignorance of what Necromancers are capable of. Minionmancers can do a Spirit Ranger’s job just as well. Most people don’t realize that a Necromancer can literally fit any role in the game as well as another class, or better.

However, the common belief is that Necromancers are only good with Conditions. Granted after the Dhuumfire/Torment patch, it’s definitely the strongest aspect.

Well lets be a bit more factual.

Can MinionMaster res themselves instantly? Spirit Rangers can, which is one of the reasons they’re preferred for back point.

Can they provide protection and burning procs to their teammates? Spirit Rangers can, which is why they are preferred for team fights.

The only true similarity I see between them is they both have pets for body blocking and they both deal power and condition damage.

People keep mentioning Minionmasters.

Just want to throw my hat in here and say I haven’t seen a Minionmaster in competitive play in over 6 months.

pajamaboi.9534:

Authority.6145:

Lupanic.6502:

is there a team overview? Is Ostricheggs playing? If yes, I bet my money on his team.

Ostricheggs is not going to Pax unfortunately.

Oh is Team Doesn’t Matter not going? or just Ostrich?

Ostrich left TDM a few weeks ago.

Hunter.4783:

Bullkitten, Defektive and you know it. How does a thief go against it? Short bow? have you tried kiting a war with 400+ health per sec regen with shortbow?

Come on, be more objective please. If you say kite or avoid killing the war, you just lost the arguement right there. And i love how you saying “GS is easy to counter” when in fact the skull crack is the real problem. No kitten GS is easy enough to counter, but a 4sec stun every 7.6 sec is a little bit harder to deal with.

Friend, I think you just need more time against it.

TBH. GS is extremely easy to counter. I won’t even touch the thing against good opponents.

You can kite a Mace/Shield warrior pretty easily with cripples. And if they have Berzerkers stance up just simply spam evade frames, dodges, teleports or movement skills for the 8 seconds, then reapply cripples.

Personally, I’ve found that players who are over-eager to get a kill against a Mace/Shield warrior are the ones that get punished the hardest.

Authority.6145:

Defektive.7283:

Parisalchuk.9230:

Defektive.7283:

XD thanks for the confidence guys. We’re working hard to get everything lined up correctly.

We played last night for the first time in a week and it was roouuughhh. But who cares we do this for fun :P

Have you guys played your Mist League matches for the week? I would like you to beat a certain team you play this week

They going to stream it? If yes what time?
We have one tonight and one tomorrow (friday).

Probably not, we’re working on new strategies for the Pax Qual so it’s in our best interest right now to not let some things out (like our splits or decision making process, builds we’re using etc.).

We’re keeping things close to the chest except for people who snoop in our tournament games (cough Blu, Grouch, Android)