Guild Wars 2

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ironically, if NSP had tanked into Bronze league (every other server near the boundary of a league tanked) then we’d likely be seeing a revitalization of NSP’s WvW right now — that’s exactly what happened with HoD.

Ironically several members in said guild were determined to drag us into Silver league for more active fights knowing full well what would happen as a result. Welp, they got their wish, a lot of people are still fighting on as they always have but lately I think the ceaseless wave of defeats have turned off some people to NSP WvW. It’s definitely felt like there are less of us lately, last week’s match with HoD was like that. By midweek… out manned everywhere practically.

Welp, so much for actually winning another match this year. No offense, but I’m tired of fighting CD. And ya, we beat CD last week because their server went AFK half the match, don’t expect a repeat performance. :P

Funny how much smack DB talks against two servers they know have low coverage a majority of the time. So guys, how’d your match go against FA and SBI again?

Sororita.3465:

Fine by me, Idm that IoJ will finish 9th, either us or NSP had to. Whole league was a stupid idea anyways, in theory it provided more variations in the match ups but Anet didnt take into account server WvW population. Cant wait till next week when we get to face servers like NSP ( without a third higher population server), Kain, HoD, SF and….“them” <death glare>.

Honestly we’re both in the same position in this match. I’d love to face IoJ without either of us being able to use a higher coverage server as a buffer between us.

HoD and Kaineng though… they better enjoy their success in bronze, for tanking to get us put in this stupid silver tier ohhhhhhh…. there will be no mercy when we can get our hands on them.

Natar.3671:

This is it folks, the final match up of the season. Who shall come in last? Will it be NSP or IOJ? Find out at the end of the match up!

This question will be answered by whoever CD decides to blob harder this match! Exciting!

Duh, you know what I meant.

Neither IoJ or NSP is going to beat CD, it just won’t happen. So it’s up to CD and whoever they decide to blob more out of us as to who is going to end up last.

I doubt you’ll find anyone who truly gives a kitten what happens at this point.

Yeah, fighting for last place sure is interesting! Wooo!

Khayoss.2019:

grifflyman.8102:

Khayoss.2019:

NevirSayDie.6235:

Imagine playing WvW, except the enemy has twice as many people as you and your side doesn’t get to use supply. That is this week for SBI.

I don’t usually request to join parties after people kill me, but I have been this week. I usually say something like “We have 15 ppt, please stop griefing and double-teaming us.” They say, “lol no.”

Please stop defending these two servers. You may not be one of the guilty parties, but it makes no sense to defend stuff like this.

So what you are asking for is the same mercy you showed us on EBay in week 2 of leagues where you won by 300k, relentlessly farmed and spawn camped us in our own BL and told us on the forums we should be grateful to have had the opportunity to learn from the godlike WvW tactics machine that is SBI? Gotcha.

Neither Yaks or EBay is defending the griefers. But we both have people on our servers chewing through supply in our keeps and running golems off of cliffs day and night. Go to the matchup thread and see how many pics have been posted by the other servers too complaining about this. Playing the victim after being one of the most generally abusive and condescending servers we’ve ever faced just isn’t going to fly.

Because judging a server by what people say on the official forum is the proper way to go about it. Are you an imbecile?

I don’t think anyone would play GW2 if they visited these forums first.

Re-read the post. In-game actions coupled with forum representation combined give a pretty good idea of a servers identity. The 100 man group that sat in our garrison nearly every morning of the week waiting to be fed bags didn’t have to post to make their intentions or opinions of us clear. The zergs who stood outside of our spawn portals and pulled people into their vortex to be insta-downed, then stripped and jumped on their corpses naked also did not need to post on the forums to paint a picture of who your server is. You, personally, may have acted with some dignity in our last match… I have no idea, no way of knowing. But it is not a stretch to say that an overwhelming number showed us absolutely no respect.

I’m sorry, but while I do admire the spite YB is showing SBI this post of your is such bullcrap that I can’t take it seriously. You’re basically describing what your server did to my server NSP and IOJ last week. No respect, endless spawn camping, golem rushes on paper keeps with outmanned buffs, sit spam, forum trash talk, you name it.

Your server, SBI, FA, basically all acted the same. I don’t see any difference in your tactics or behavior. I never expected mercy or an easy time against any of your servers, but I do find it funny reading YB and SBI people going back and forth and whining about the very same things you do to any other server when given the same chance / circumstances.

Drop the holier than thou routine, it’s embarrassing.

rhapsody.3615:

It’s funny to see someone calling CD a mega blob… That’s pretty much what we were saying about FA last week. Nobody blobs like FA. Nobody.

That’s not true, the server that kicked FA’s kitten into silver apparently blobs better. :P

BP and CD’s tactics differ considerably. CD basically rolls in one giant megablob, BP breaks up into smaller groups and hits multiple points at once. It’s not picking on BP per say, but more so it’s easier to actually have an even fight with them as opposed to CD.

Oh and I’ve raided CD BL this week a few times too, so we’re not picking on anyone in particular, just looking for fights we can actually win. PPT is the least of our concerns in this match, hell in this entire league.

At the best FA lost legit to get into silver. In that case it’s clear already they can’t handle T1.

At the worst the lost intentionally to get pushed into Silver. In which case they are either cowards or fools. If they lost to get into a league they knew they’d win by virtue of coverage alone to begin with and are bragging about it at the same time… I’d say both.

Buffy.9246:

Wish nsp was not in this match up
Bp vs cd week. Bp is gonna win ofc

Don’t worry around, ooooohhhh…. sunday/monday we practically won’t be coverage wise. Then you and CD and take turns spawn camping us! Yay!

One day we’ll get you guys in a match where there isn’t a megablob server to act as a buffer between us. Right now tho, we’re tied for being the most sucktastic in silver league! Welcome to the fold IoJ! One of us! One of us!

Banzie.5248:

Extremely disappointed in this thread. 3 pages, that’s it? I can’t be the only one to fuel rage.

That’s because there’s not much to say about this match. YB is spawncamping even though they have the match won. I haven’t seen IoJ hardly at all this entire match because of the omnipresent YB blobs on every map. All in all, a snoozefest.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Anyone knows if Devon got all his achievements done already?
Just hope that he is seeing this match-up and maybe learning why lopsided match-ups aren’t fun.

SoCo on YB

As I said in the FA match thread, no one on NSP that I’m aware of knows what account or username Devon is using. If most of us have the meta achievement by now, I think it’s safe to assume he does. Even in these stupid pointless week long blowout matches I still managed to get mine easily.

It’s not much of a threat when you’re basically saying you’re going to do exactly what you’ve been doing the entire match. Watch out guys, if you make FA mad they’ll zerg and PvDoor you all day!

BTW your solo roamers in our BL are terribad.

linfurong.9032:

DootmasterX.3025:

Do you really think Devon is gonna WvW on our server with a character bearing his name? None of us know him, none of us have seen him, if he’s been in any fights alongside us he’s probably been killed 10x over by megablobs. Your wet dreams of unleashing your petty spiteful angst against a WvW dev sadly, will go unfulfilled. Kind of like most of the WvW pop in this match.

…Is it you?

(edited for ridiculous profanity filters)

Yes, you caught on to my clever ruse! I’m also a seven foot ex basketball pro, hindu, guru, drag queen, alien.

Do you really think Devon is gonna WvW on our server with a character bearing his name? None of us know him, none of us have seen him, if he’s been in any fights alongside us he’s probably been killed 10x over by megablobs. Your wet dreams of unleashing your petty spiteful angst against a WvW dev sadly, will go unfulfilled. Kind of like most of the WvW pop in this match.

Well on the plus side we can always have a zerg v zerg. On the downside we don’t always have a zerg outside of prime time…

At least you didn’t say ‘good luck.’

XOXO wanted us to be in silver league so bad because it would make for ‘more targets for them to kill’ and thus make roaming so much ‘more exciting.’ As far as I am aware they PvDoored as hard as they could in our last pre-season match to make it happen, though I do not blame them entirely for us being in our current situation as others pushed just as hard, they just weren’t as vocal about it.

If there is anyone who does not have the right to complain about the current situation it’s them.

In regards to the SBI guys, frankly, I don’t blame you guys for doing what you’re doing. You didn’t design the matchup and I’m fairly sure if the roles were reversed we’d be doing the exact same thing.

What gets me is the ‘league’ because this match highlights just how stupid an idea it was to reward servers based on ‘performance’ IE: PPT when the matches are so skewed it’s not even funny. If the players could foresee who was likely to win this league before the match even started it boggles my mind why no one at A-Net could. So we’ll have to put up with 7 weeks of this nonsense for what, is basically, a foregone conclusion. EXCITING.

Though I am glad we finally got some payback on IoJ for always double teaming us when against servers like yours, that was worth it. Glad that, at least, we won’t be the lowest ranked server in Silver League.

It’s a PvP game mode, (in spite of what a net says) therefore it should have at least some sort of balance in place. As it stands right now having the same 7-9 stacked servers being the only competitive ones is a problem, in spite of any apologists arguments.

It’s a wonder we’re even holding what we are, I’m actually impressed with our little server’s tenacity.

Anyway, pointless match is pointless. Can we just have SBI and FA fight and declare a winner from that so we can go back to at least having a chance of a balanced match anytime soon? K thx.

And right now we’re fighting the people who are a couple of seats above us. :P

Don’t worry, I’m sure you will.

kurath.9406:

Glad to see NSP is rising to the challenge, shame we won’t get to hunt Kevin for weeks though.

Yes… rising to the ‘challenge.’ Kind of like Icarus and the Sun.

I don’t share the rest of the people from NSP in this thread’s optimism. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it. Previous similar match ups mere weeks ago already demonstrated how this is probably going to pan out.

BTW, I think it was pretty unwise to announce the leagues and give people kitten near a month to stack servers, manipulate their ranks, and kill server communities because most people don’t want to be on the losing team. A lot of servers have been crippled before they even get a chance to compete, and thanks to the wonky ranking system apparently NSP gained rank somehow by getting our kittens kicked for almost 2 months against the very servers we’re now supposed to compete against in a league? Makes sense.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

This is an example of an opinion (in this case, a suspicion) mistaken for a truth. Because NOBODY has any way of ACTUALLY KNOWING something like this.

Or an attempt to change what the actual post was to fit into a context you created, as in someone trying to present an opinion as truth. Or maybe just you interpreting it that way.

It was just merely a casual observation and my particular opinion from observing the machinations of /r/GuildWars2 on the occasions where I’ve been bored enough to read it / lurk.

A prediction, sounds fun though! Okay, I predict =holds card envelope on to his forehead a-la Johnny Carson= that nothing will be said that hasn’t already been said by Chris. We will get more PR talk and that nothing concrete about the various controversies will be said because nothing can be said at this point to change most people’s minds.

Harbard.5738:

AMA on Monday, the communication bridge is there, hopefully. I hope people cool down until then. I know I have. Thanks for the post, it’s full of win.

From a not so young player =)

Reddit is full of down-voting sycophants. Doing an AMA on /r/GuildWars2 is like a conservative who’s in political trouble doing a Q&A on Fox News.

Orion.7264:

I always asked people to ping when they grouped with me, but not because I wanted specific builds that I believed were required. I did it for two reasons:

1) Every once in awhile, you have a player that has no idea what they’re doing, and their build is awful. Bad skills with no synergy, no elite skill, etc. Better to catch this and give them a good build to run so they will be effective. (There are MANY “good builds” for every profession combo, for all content, btw)

2) Knowing what other people were running prevented you from running counter-productive builds within the party. Two ritualists running the same spirit build = essentially one build, since spirits overwrite each other. Too many necromancers running minions and you run out of corpses (required to make minions in GW1), essentially making the same problem. Two Paragons running Save Yourselves! builds was redundant. Things like this.

I know that there were problems with people requiring “THIS BUILD NAO” for certain things, but there were also legitimate reasons for requiring pings.

Funny story, there was this idiot friend of one of my guild members who insisted we go run to Gadd’s Encampment with, through the shards of Orr. I made a fatal mistake. I didn’t ask him to ping his build. We get out in the feild and I notice he also brought along a minion master (I had my heroes with Sabway at the time) and I was thinking ‘great this is gonna be a long walk.’

So we get to the shards, and the idiot takes the quest (even though I said not to) so we have the ultra pain in the kitten mobs to clear that is part of the dungeon chain, so now I’m just irritated and I basically told him to enjoy dying and left him to rot. I didn’t need to get to the outpost and the guy was just being unbelievably stupid, suiciding into mob groups, pulling big groups to us, etc.

He pops back into town, and at this point my morbid sense of curiosity kicks in and I asked him, what in the hell kind of build was he running, because in almost all the fights he was standing around just auto-attacking. So he pings me master of whisper’s build. It’s literally a skill bar full of just minion skills. His skill bar is basically all the minion buffs and corpse manipulation skills. His brilliant build, which by the way he actually defended and claimed worked, in spite of the utter fail of his live demo, was based on the idea that one person would summon the minions, and he the player would manage them.

When I pointed out the AI is better at auto-casting minion buffs and tracking them, he told me ‘nah I’m really good.’ When I pointed out if the mobs are the types that don’t leave exploitable corpses (for those that don’t know in GW1 you actually had to have a dead body to produce a minion) you will have two people in the party who are basically utterly useless, he was like… ‘well it still works!’

This my friends, is also why you asked people to ping their builds.

The problem is locking people of varying progression levels out and making it impossible or annoying to find groups / start groups at your level. We had normal mode and hard mode in GW1 to deal with this problem to separate completionists and casuals from the farmers / ‘uber-leet.’

The gating is stupid, and agony is a really lazy mechanic. Rather than making the mobs more difficult, faster, smarter, more skills and abilities, we’ll just put a blanket debuff on the whole group that only an expensive/tedious to acquire gear upgrade can solve! Durrr.

And for the love of god give FoTM a lobby or something, having everyone crammed in LA spamming LFG Fractals Level X is maddening. I hate even going there any more because of the lag and long loading times that massive groups of players seems to cause.

“It’s optional.”

Funny how the defenders keep saying that over and over again.

Optional or not isn’t quite the issue. The issue is this ‘optional’ gear that is totally ‘optional’ with better stats is something they said they were never going to do. As a matter of fact, anyone who followed the game’s development, would know they said they wanted getting end-game gear to be relatively easy to obtain, much like the first game.

The gear was issued, as per the dev blog, to bridge the ‘optional’ legendary grind with gear to appease the people who felt they weren’t progressing in any other way. This ‘optional’ cosmetic grind which was exactly what they told people they would structure the game like. Still, people complained to have something else to do while they grinded this ‘optional’ legendary… ‘optionally.’ Instead of providing hard mode, tougher mobs/zones, etc, the only thing that can appease these people (apparently in the minds of the devs) was to give them bigger numbers. If a legendary is considered a grind, and this gear was designed to give them a sense of ‘progress’ in order to take the edge off the grind, then it will not be as easily obtained if it’s intended to be smaller grinds to take the edge off the larger grind that a legendary is.

Therein we have a problem.

A) If it’s designed to be hard to get (but not as hard as getting a legendary) then it is a grind and goes against what they said before, making their words dishonest. If end game best-in-slot gear is hard to obtain or takes a long time, then it goes against a few direct quotes by the devs that were made prior to this.

B) If it’s, in fact, easy to get then the people who are grinding it now for the prestige or just for the stat increase will find that as more people access the gear and newer paths open to obtain it that this new gear becomes ‘too easy’ to get. A frequent complaint, might I add, of many an elitist. If we can take them at their word, this is the last level of gear to be added to the game, then basically once you’ve got your full ascended the only thing to do is get your legendary and that’s it… forever. No more gear progression.

So the people that wanted easy to obtain max level best in slot items will not be happy if A turns out to be true, and the people who favor vertical progression (which, by the way, was never ever advertized as being a feature in the entire dev cycle so I still don’t get why people expected it) will not be happy if B turns out to be true.

Either way someone gets the shaft, but with this new system and an already established precedence that this, as far as they have said, will be the last tier means both sets of players do not end up getting what they wanted. Vertical progression flattens out at some point, but at the cost to most of the people who wanted a system like the original Guild Wars and what was advertized, as in it to be easy. The vertical progression types equally get screwed later when they hit the ceiling and there’s no new gear to await them. Either way, no one ends up happy, just one is happier for now.

This is an unprecedented shift in terms of how they’ve structured their approach to endgame. The reasoning is very suspect. If they indeed needed to bridge the gap between legendary and exotic (in terms of difficulty to obtain and not stats) then it makes little sense as a justification. They are the ones that made the legendaries so difficult (IE: Massive Gold Sink) to obtain, so if they felt this process was so teidous they could have just made it more fun – challenging – interesting to obtain instead of just throwing items into the mystic slot machine. It’s like they made a problem then added gear to fix it, it makes no sense unless you factor in a profit motive.

Thanks for understanding!

JDGumby.7685:

DootmasterX.3025:

I urge you not to play SWTOR, you have no idea what you are in for with that game. I hope you like touching ‘X’ glowing panels and hearing NPCs monologue at you for hours.

You obviously haven’t played the Personal Story, have you? Gods, Trahearne just won’t shut up… Ugh.

Unfortunately I have. I thought it was going to bring back the RPG elements with a ‘deep story’ like they advertized. Instead we get a racial personal story, an order personal story, and freaking Trefern’s emo insecurities and credit-stealing. The whole thing felt more like a choose your own adventure book.

I urge you not to play SWTOR, you have no idea what you are in for with that game. I hope you like touching ‘X’ glowing panels and hearing NPCs monologue at you for hours.

So I did the event.

Fractals is a mess, I wanted to give it a shot. Tried joining/starting a few groups, got trolled in LFG for saying ‘level 1.’ So that was a no-go.

I went the island, it was a massive, lag-ridden zergfest that dragged on for close to two hours. I started to get a headache. I don’t know why you guys think that you need to give every enemy a massive amount of AoEs and snares. It was impossible to avoid dying multiple times. Many people got wiped. The lag did not make dodging easier.

Suggestion: Ease up on the upscaling. Giving vet mobs 1 billion HP starts to feel tedious after 30 minutes. Seriously.
Reduce the number of players in a zone into smaller groups. With the culling, disconnects, and lag your game can obviously not handle that many players in a given zone.
The chest rewards were nice, 5 people in our zerg got precursors, which made me seethe with jealousy. lol
Get rid of the ascended gear stat boost. This is a stupid idea. You are dividing your community via Gating and Power Creep and fostering elitism. The sheer degree of snobbery and disrespect in LFG towards casual players is becoming toxic.

Eveningstar.6940:

I’m submitting the idea, however, that the de facto definition of an MMORPG is a game which includes, along with a big concurrent online community, some kind of gear progression.

You can’t simply change the definition of something or twist it to conform to your pretenses in order to justify your argument. “Well I would be right if we defined X as Y.” It doesn’t work that way.

On another note, the Manifesto, as it is called was nothing new to people who played GW1. By logical extension when they said they wanted to give us all the features of GW1 but put it into a persistent world, we believed them. Their model was successful in that game, which sold over 7 million copies, so there was no reason to believe that that by expanding the audience of GW1 to casual MMO fans (of whom are the majority in most games) they could not continue to be successful. Clearly something went wrong, and I doubt any of us will be informed as to why exactly that was, other than vague PR speak.

So no, I don’t think the manifesto was wrong. I believe at lot of the things they said were very right, and judging from the postings here and on other threads, I am not the only one. Though, I do think is that while they may be right, the side of profit is in fact against us. I think many people forget that a corporation’s legal mandate is to make money for their shareholders. If the shareholders want more profits out of this game, then they will pressure or force whoever is in charge to create or direct the game to do exactly that. Problem is, typically such a view is short sighted. Cultivating a strong community is difficult. Dividing it however, is extraordinarily easy.

Hence here we find ourselves, fighting over esoteric views on the game’s vision and direction and arguing with each other… instead of playing it.

I can’t help but somehow feel like deep down NCSoft has something to do with this. I’ve seen this pattern one too many times from them and games under their umbrella.

wauwi.9162:

don’t you want new content frequently in any mmorpg?
first people criticize the lack of endgame content and now this…make up your mind, guys

Do you really think the people who complained about wanting new gear to grind for are the same people complaining about them adding it?

You can only farm now if you want to run the fractals till your eyes bleed. Good luck LFG if you are just starting now though. Show any dissent and you get flamed into oblivion. I watched LA turn like a swarm of… well… Locusts on a few people in map chat for just asking for invites.

Well, predictably the elitism starts:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lostshores/Fractals-dungeon-players-restricting-others

@Chair

That’s why I decided to forego the whole process. Legendaries are cool looking, but I think they were made to milk the OCD types into sinking money into the cash shop grinding it out. The mat requirements are stupid, and god dat grind… so boring.

I love to sink tons of money into a Rare Armor Set that thereby demands I buy Fine Transmutation stones from the cash shop in order to put it on some Exo gear. It makes me feel very accomplished and leet!

Srsly, it does need to be offered in Exotic, and with a variety of stats, I mean it’s more expensive than any of the armor available on the TP, even the named Exo sets.

They made GW1 more difficult and challenging by giving the mobs better builds, smarter AI, and levels higher than the player. Level 20 was the plateau, but you could always overcome with skillful play.

Giving you more gear doesn’t do that. It becomes a barrier to skillful play and a crutch to artificially give you a sense of progress and make you feel like your are getting ever more powerful instead of just better/more crafty. Once you get this new gear, you’ll be bored again, and the cycle continues.

What we are experiencing is something my friends and I call the ’NCSoft Bait-and-switch." Thankfully this will be the last time I fall for this, just sad that it had to be my precious Guild Wars that it happened to.

The first time was Tabula Rasa, a fairly interesting Third Person action game meets MMO and created by Richard Garriott. NCSoft pressured him to release the game early, and thus it was lacking a lot of content which was advertized. Things like personal Mech suits, PvP (there was NO PvP at launch) etc. Within a month they fired a huge chunk of the staff. They kept promising with each update the content they promised in release would be added, never happened.

I think the most eerie moment for me was in that game was when I was in a level 50 zone and a dev showed up to talk to the players and there was only 3 of us that were even there.

Of course we all know the fate of Tabula Rasa, an interesting thing to note though is that Richard Garriott went to space to promote the game and ‘release the players genomes into space’ so that they would be remembered. It cost him a pretty big chunk of money and it did nothing to promote the game, since the problem was that the game (unlike this one) had virtually NOTHING to do in it at launch. Anyway, NCSoft refused to pay him like they said they would for the trip, fired him, he sued, and won. lawlz

The other debacle was AION. The fact that it was a broken, unbalanced, gear-grind aside, what drove me over the edge was the bait and switch again! The promo trailer for AION showed things like mounted combat on a dinosaur (sold me on it right there) huge underwater zones, Shugo constructed housing, factional assaults against each other’s housing districts complete with airship battles and Godzilla sized seige golems. Sounds awesome right?! Too bad that absolutely none of the stuff in the video was actually in the game. They simply made a rendered video using the game engine and rotfled all the way to the bank with that sweet sweet release revenue.

Now we know AION has some of those features, finally, but it took years and at the cost of the massive bulk of it’s initial playerbase.

… and here we go again it seems.

vox.5019:

The saddest part. The only people at ANet that will ever actually read all of the thoughtful posts in this thread, are the mods who are just looking for any violations that need infractions.

This thread is for herding us into one spot so that the problem can be easily ignored and not spill all over the forums to further incite player revolt.

Kinda like how they merged all the threads that stacked up about not having any ‘proper gear progression’ that got to 10K posts! Oh wait…

This game was never about increasing gear stats. Making a game behave like other MMOs (who have all failed) when it was never designed to act like that is a recipe for disaster. Wait till you see what the MF recipes to make this awesome new gear requires! fingers crossed for 250 Obby Shards and ectos

This is why wasn’t that annoyed about not being able to participate. The lag is unbearable, they seem to not want to reduce the limit of players in LA for these events so it doesn’t lag unbelievably. All those people around spamming particle effects just makes the FPS go right down the toilet.

Timberline Falls was the worst. Not for scenery mind you, but just the sheer amount of empty space with nothing really going on.