Guild Wars 2

10/10 would read deso troll posts again

The biggest problem of coverage imbalance is the fun it takes away from the one on the losing end.
the way WvW works is that if you keep a tower/keep for some time iwthotu it being contested it becomes insanely hard to take where the person in the weak spot gets stuff that is insanely easy to take down.

What keeps the more casual players out of WvW is that they login to a fully sieged up enemy T3 keep with a wp and full supply which they wont be able to take so they log off, increasing the population imbalance even more.

If there would be changes to this aspect there would be a lot less complaining about this subject as the player can just login and have fun instead of being crippled by not having players when he is away.
This would for example mean reducing the effectiveness of wall/gate upgrades and arrow carts.

Scoring is just a way to see who has most players, the effects on fun by coverage are bigger than players going mad over score because of this. (and yest here is 0 way to determine the skill of a server with score, its all population/coverage)

Dont forget there was just a patch, people tend to go to bed then :x

VladR.9827:

fair numbers in open field and you stay downed TUP – only with more you hunting us as mad bees – and if you seen us as 30 buy some glasses

we wont cross the magic 25 to not be like you

Oh the hypocricy <3
We ran max 18 players with 14 max during other days

queue wars 2 p.p

Can you ignorant people stop saying kitten T1
Every EU server in gold and silver (not UW) has insane queues on every kitten map, not just T1.
And these players will stay because some of the achievemens are rediculous (overkill on sentries, merc camps and jps making people useless)

I believe the overflow map shouldve been implemented before or with leagues and the achievements changed to support playign how you want it instead of being forced to kill guards/sentries/ merc camps or queue 2 hours to get on EB and get lucky to cap sm before you get kicked out

Halloween patch broke something real bad :|
And no its not the player numbers, it’s worse than it was before when entire maps were full aswell)

This lag is horrible, it’s not even being cause by the league players.
I’ve never experienced such contsant lag for entire days and players dcing all the time, this is unplayable.
What did they screw up this time…

lol dat rifle war

Preacher stay on topic, this is not a gvg topic, this is a post about a dev stepping out of place in a situation where there were no problems caused by any players present.
After which he implied that the players should play the game the way he plays.

You’re being ignorant about this fact and pull in facts that have nothing to do with the subject. This can be seen as trolling, just like the dev here has done.
Stay on topic of the dev doing what he did, which I myself would never have believed if I didn’t know about the kitten they pulled off in the last months.

Having followed Anet since GW1 and how they designed and handled things as a gamedesigner myself.
They have become the opposite of what I thought of them before.
They intentionally make players mad, they intentionally make game modes unballanced and easy, they do not talk to their community, they do not listen to their comunity, they do not fix crucial bugs in their game and they punish feedback with bans.
lets not forget how they break everythign they said.
No power creep and no gear grind.
Only 1 spvp mode which is based on capping points instead of fighting with broken builds. Easy grind pve. And now this will be the karmatrain

Truly pathetic behavior from Anet

Spvp is a horrible system with no armor choises and based abour avoiding combat so how is this PvP and a challenge? Its all about a few classes with specific builds aswell so No thanks, we don’t play that trash called spvp

king of the hill and dm inc? They won’t put it in the normal rotations because it would take people from their precious esport gamemode, not to mention it’s still limited to crappy gear choises.

I remember GW1 where pvp was about skill and killing the opponents. Not avoiding combat, power creeps, always 2 op classes, 1 gamemode and 1 gamemode that gets unbalanced on purpose.

Shiren.9532:

Bloodlust buff isn’t technically power creep. It was in the game at launch in the form of orbs and was removed temporarily. Technically WvW was originally designed with orb buffs as part of the baseline power level.

And it was removed because it made the stronger server stronger, do your researc
It has also been spammed like 200 times over these forums in the last 1-2 weeks

That said, Anet doesn’t care about WvW, enjoy your useless mesmers and ranger pets while they increase the powercreep and make the difference between strong and weak servers bigger.

Dont forget wep stacks

Anyway, they said no power creep at the start, well it’s there right now and it’s looking bad as hell

The people not posting or voted here are seen to be in Anets favour when they try to justify things even though they have not said a word.
Even if this thread had 500 voted with 500 people saying no then our oh so awesome dev would have said “but this is only a small portion of the WvW comunity talking, many people don’t post on these forums and they will agree with me”

I’ll be laughing if there will be QQ about these orbs from these players you gave a voice without asking Devon because the ones that did oppose you are mad

FirstBlood.7359:

Seigfried.5938:

I don’t spvp because of the imbalance. if we were allowed more variety of builds, like we can in wvw, i would def do it.

In sPvP I really miss perplexity engineers, burst builds with 120% critical damage and all the other broken builds of WvW.

In WvW I really miss team synergy, proper armor choises and actual combat

It’s the facts that were given not the person, not the opinions, the facts.
And a lot of these facts were already speculated by many people for a long time, that’s why its bringing up so much talk

Vol just watch the movie and then also know this, MOST EU SERVERS DO NOT PLAY FOR POINTS LIKE YOUR NA SERVER, not every godkitten person plays for godkitten points because its godkitten boring.
Anet is shoving everything up our face and FORCING us to do things their way. FORCING us to go do their piece of kitten spvp, FORCING us to blob, FORCING us to sit behind siege all day, FORCING us to grind pve for gear.
They FORCE us to play for the reward at the end of the week instead of letting us play for the way we see things as FUN.

Fun is seen differently by others and YOU do not understand why others see somethign else different as FUN

And if they push them out WvW full be empty as they wont go to spvp.
There is where their logic fails

Dual.8953:

Esuni.2498:

you need to hold 3 points for 2 minutes, the zerg can get there within 30 seconds, good luck

Coordinate and use multi pronged strikes where ever the zerg isn’t. /sigh
It’s like tactics and strategy is completely lost on the masses.

Very possible when they outnumber you badly isnt it. When enemies have 150 stat buffs pugs wont bother staying on the map either. It’s all coverage and numbers, skills wont matter since there is oging to be a stat buff involved.
You can use tactics but they can be overcome quiet easilly, especially if you own nothing on a map

Oh and “masses” sure, TUP and masses, not even going to give you details on that

YUM has been spreading nonsense all over this forum, start using your brains

That would take players out of their precious conquest mode so no new modes are going to happen

you need to hold 3 points for 2 minutes, the zerg can get there within 30 seconds, good luck

LunarNacht.8913:

That video is just an angry rant and not even entertaining.

How is it supposed to be entertaining?
Also if you didn’t know most of that stuff you obviously were not paying attention to anet

CC Danicia.1394:

Tellerion.8102:

Feedback, as long as it’s about butterflies, red roses and/or child birth.

Pfft. I hate all those things.

But seriously, the team does watch this thread and does keep the feedback. And we also compile particularly good constructive feedback for the team, so they don’t miss it.

Yet we get non backed up counter arguments with any consideration to what got posted

Sacrx, stat disadvantages can be overcome in one way or another, especially at the windmill with guildbuffs available.
E— peen isn’t the #1 thing for everyone

People who avoid fights shouldnt GvG anyway, stat buffs or not.
The devs are being kittened as hell with this buff as I also remember fighting players with 3 orb buffs every day against vizunah, I actually quit GW2 because of the disapointment this game gave me. It’s slightly easier to take the buff now atleast, this does not justify the trash that comes from it.

Also if you go to EU silver, 9 servers with lots of space, you already have your blobs, guilds and roamers sitting there for the taking if you’re not GvGing.
Spread the “top” 9 guilds over each server and fill the other spots up with other guilds, tadaa most likely no queues and plenty of GvG matches if people didnt screw up with the nrs.
But yes if you go bronze you get boring matches

You quit the game already, no need to to make others quit aswell, we will quit ourselves if more aids gets spread to ruin the fun in this game, don’t need guiding from anyone.

‘he who will not be named’

Would love this, having some devs run with us during a raid would be nice for everyone aswell.

Stice.5204:

Online polls are really not good evidence to cite in an argument because they do not represent a random sample. The responders are self-selected and will consist entirely of people who have a strong opinion and wish to voice it, but that doesn’t mean they actually represent a majority (or even a large minority.)

Stick to logical arguments or comparisons similar systems, not extremely flawed polls.

Does not mean there is only a few people saying no there, who talk for most of their guilds aswell seeing that most guilds have an equal mindset.
It also doesn’t show all of the players that are against this stat buff, if just the stat buff got chnaged noone would post a bad word on these forums.

I’m still up for a good old discussion with “he who will not be named”
And A lot of people require a proper statement from him so they may stay in this game although I doubt that he will say a word as they get ignored anyway.

Because 1 side of the comunity doesnt care for what the buff is as long as its attractive where the other side does NOT want stat buffs, both agree that the new map will be a fun area.

Also Im looking at this thread with the vote here aswell, where 80% said no, and half of the people that said yes were peopel who only voted yes because they wanted GvG dead

DevonCarver.5370:

The stat boost, while controversial, is there to give the buff meaning in the context of the general WvW battle. Providing boosts like %WXP, etc. don’t have impact in fights against other sides, they are just a nice bonus for you. The stat boost and the points for finishing players mean that not only do you want to have the buff, but you don’t want your opponents to have it.

There is a difference with an objective making people enjoy a game way less than an objective that makes you want the enemy to not have it.

That said, you should start listening to the feedback you get as a game is no game without it’s comunity, and if they make it clear that they don’t like a certain thing in every way possible and you still ignore that the nthere is a problem on your side.
The way you totally ignore the constructive threads proves how obsessed you are with your own oppinion.
If you think thakittens weird that people are mad at you then you obviously shouldn’t be at the position you currently have. We are waiting for your vision of the game, where you want it to go and what you think of your comunity, the real thought.

I’m open for a discussion with you, many are.
My guil leader offered to take you in our raid for a night, even challanged you for a 15v15 fight to show you the beatuiful combat you have in WvW.

So give us a clear answer instead of avoiding us and making a part of your comunity mad enough to lose all faith in GW2

The negativity about this buff is mainly caused by the stat buff it gives.
This buff is mainly being there to attract spvp players or small roaming groups, however most of these players want fights where they dont have an edge over the enemy due to bonuses they cant controll as it ruins teh sense of accomplishment.

The other negativity comes from the 150 bonus stats being there when a server greatly outnumbers the opponent or simply obtains the buff during the night and keeps it easilly (keeping it will be an easy job)
This means the strength between a bigger and smaller server becomes even bigger.

Only positive thing about this buff is that it will attract players to neutralize this buff on balanced matchups, which don’t happen often unless you look at T1 fights.
These fair matchups wont happen when the leagues hit.
Picking a stat buff is a cheap and easy way to make the buff attractive but its causing more problems than it will solve.

Altie.4571:

Esuni.2498:

Altie
On the point of the buff being neutral, that would be impossible as the buff can only be taken if 1 server caps 3 points. The buff will be kept even if the said server has 0 capture points, correct me if I’m wrong here.
Anyway, this subject is not the meaning of this great post

I’ll have to check but from what I interpreted their post as it was “you must hold all 3 points to receive a buff” So neutralizing one of the points should neutralize the buff meaning it’s not perpetually active somewhere.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/457403128
23:20

“you lose the buff if someone takes it from you, if the point neutralises, you keep the buff”

Thieves their current playstyle is based on stealth, if any other class jumped you then you were not paying attention to your surroundings, thieves are also easy to spot by red circles (no I don’t play thief)
Basing your point on thieves is pointless as thats 1 of 8 classes, it also doesnt have to do with anything with what I mentioned

Seems you don’t get my point at all though, you should read Aneu his post, maybe it will give you some clean sight on the current situation.

Altie
On the point of the buff being neutral, that would be impossible as the buff can only be taken if 1 server caps 3 points. The buff will be kept even if the said server has 0 capture points, correct me if I’m wrong here.
Anyway, this subject is not the meaning of this great post

NO to stat bonus

Yes to kills on stomp with something added to make it more attractive

Shemsu.8721:

Esuni.2498:

Veteran Oakheart.4035:

The fact is that you ask to remove features requiring more pvp “personal” skill to take and hold than zerginess, which benefit the most to small group play and which is also leading to a better balance of servers in most case-

Fact is that we ask to toggle something so a part of WvW stays legit and existant.
This which we want to toggle should also not be in the game in the first place as it will bring even more unbalance to the game mode.

I remember the days where customer feedback was taken seriously and not ignored or looked down upon

GvG is not an intended or legit part of wvw. I’m not saying there shouldnt be a place for more than 8v8 or 10v10 fights (unless they add support for spvp up to 20v20 then it would be fine there) However, that place is not wvw

There are 2 playstyles in this game, sit behind siege all day and blob up to pvd and press 1 to get doors or small groups down. And you have the solo roamers, small group romaers and guild roamers.

This update is meant for the 2nd part of these players, and these players do not want a stat buff.
Do you know why?
Because they dont like killing players while they themselves have an unfair advantage over the other as it brings no satisfaction of outskilling an opponent.

Do you also know why GvG is formed?
Because players wanted to know who was best in a fight that was as fair as possible, not using guard stacks, not using weapon stacks. They use them in WvW right now because they have no choise as it makes them weaker against the players of the other style who do use them.

It’s ironic that he makes an update that should attract a certain type of players, and thosep layers do not want a part of theb uff it gives.
The update wouldve been greta but this buff and the atitude that a certain dev is giving is ruining this.

Veteran Oakheart.4035:

The fact is that you ask to remove features requiring more pvp “personal” skill to take and hold than zerginess, which benefit the most to small group play and which is also leading to a better balance of servers in most case-

Fact is that we ask to toggle something so a part of WvW stays legit and existant.
This which we want to toggle should also not be in the game in the first place as it will bring even more unbalance to the game mode.

I remember the days where customer feedback was taken seriously and not ignored or looked down upon

Very good post Aneu, I also have to agree with Paraldawind

As stated not too long ago by Devon himself:
WvW is about managing siege, resources and open field combat.

In the current state of the game those 3 points do not get equal attention and 1 of these points even gets looked at with disgust and disrespect.
Those 3 points should be balanced, also WvW being inbalancedin design doesn’t mean you need to make it even more unbalanced towards the winning end.

Games are played for fun, not to punish losing.

Food is an important part of people their builds and shouldnt be removed, it puts more into the game.
And like I said before, having your guild or a friendly claim the windmill with guild buffs will give you pretty much a blooblust buff making it way easier to balance out.

That said, you should fight anyway and not limit the customisation options

On the topic of the bloodlust buffs

1 buff could be nullified using the guild buffs on the south camp
This means you can do 1 gvg more fair or fair every 10 mins if it gets constantly capped for the side with no buff

That would probably be vizunah or desolation as they fit the NA style as the only servers in EU

Move the queue out of EB please zepher, then players would gladly go there to get rid of that buff, if the buff is not there atleast

Explain to me how a stat buff on you as a person will give you a sense of accomplishment? Yay I just killed these players while I had 150 on all those nice stats!
Aww yeah I totally outskilled them

Now on the other side, you as a 25 man group are up against 50 players, withotu a buff its a challange but if they have a buff, gl bro, will definatly be easy.
And yes its most likely that someone will have a 150 buff due to the way the matchups work right now and how they will work (nr 1 against nr 9)

snowballing from this is going to be huge and the sense of accomplishment is gone, yes you can say that you kiled someone with a buff but thats not going to happe nas much as the other 2 given examples.

This all is orientated to casuals and made to push off any hardcore pvpers which the area should attract, as thesep layers want fair and good fights.

Devon really man, listen to your community for once.

Devon, youre supposed to make a comunity like you, not hate you

Said by devon when people suggested to make the buff a toggle and the entire thread got spammed with approval:

“No. That is not a possibility at this time. The point of the buff is to affect the WvW game mode as a whole disabling it on your character would lessen the value of the buff to a server and completely invalidate the whole point.”

This guy is beyond reasoning

Not to mention the countless threads and posts they remove adding to this

Also don’t forget the provoking namechanging of thread names they were pulling off yesterday

+1
I disapprove stat buffs in general but this would be a great fix for those that want fair fights or no buff at all

Cimon
Explains why these so called GvG guilds painted vizunah borderland red yesterday and kept it ours for hours. we dont cap and defend at all, we suck at wvw
If you claim I’m being arrogant you need to reread your own post, also explains why Piken is ranked #3 right now isnt it, how could they possibly be rank 3 if they are so horrible and have so many guilds that do gvg :OO

And yes everyone who has a brain can agree that the spam at the livestreams is unacceptable.
This however does not change that the Anet devs need to stop ignoring these players, a lot are being mad at how they are treated and that is what you see in these messages.

Lzay I did not claim we are bigger than the wvw population, Im sayign we are a big part of it and the hardcore part of it. If they wish to push us into the ground then thats their decision but they shouldnt do it the way they do it now as its unprofessional and insanely rude towards their customers.

Everyone can agree that the altar system is a good idea, however everyone also agrees that the stat buff should not be implemented for various reasons.
Anet not listening to their playerbase is a bigger concern than this buff in general.
GvG players are a big victim of this on top of problems it would already cause and that is the point that is made.
Insulting GvG or arguing about how big or skilled it is should not be included in that discussion

@cimon, enjoy your 24 empty servers with 3 stacked servers blobbing the world

@lzay

Im stating that most roam guilds GvG aswell, I’m not asking the game to be made based on us, I’m saying the game and peopel should not spit on GvGers.
I myself am first of all a WvW player, not a GvG player.

Now to your ~460K players being online (I highly doubt this) how many of these players are actually in WvW for more than 10h a week?
What is clear here is that this update goes against the people that should enjoy it and brings the problem of snowballing.
A lot of these GvG guilds are also not listed so the numer can possibly be a lot higher, I’m not here to speculate on this, however those 35 players are active at that time only if you asume that. A lot of these guilds have 50-120 members who WvW on a regular basis, not just active at a time.

And yes the GvGers want their own arena but everything they say is being deleted or ignored. the people who post about GvG tend to get infracted or banned.
This made a snowballing effect of negativity and anger which is seen now.