Guild Wars 2

Mightymealworm.8409:

Harper.4173:

Mightymealworm.8409:

There are two problems with HS, but neither of them are completely responsible for the current perception of warriors. The HS problems are-

1: too much sustain for too little specialization (and too little sustain when traiting for sustain) Fix it with a lower base of around 300 per second that scales to 400 with moderate healing power and a around 550 or so with a lot of healing power. This would allow for some better bunker/support builds, and force those builds to sacrifice something for it. It would also encourage more zerk type builds to use surge for less run and reset type brawling.

2: no incentive to use active. The base healing of active skill could use some attention, a small boost and perhaps grant regen for a few seconds to not totally eliminate the sustain? I would prefer it to clear condi more like mending though, and have mending reworked.

The larger problem most people have with warrior (and most don’t realize it) is the amount of sustain that was created when warriors lost their weakness to conditions. Not all warrior builds are condi clearing maniacs, but many of the meta builds have little problem keeping high stacks off. This should be reworked a little, not reduced back to the levels that kept warriors from being viable so long ago, but every class needs a weakness.

So you’re basically saying " bring warrior back to where he was a while eago when he was kept from being viable".
This is an actual quote " kept warriors from being viable". You basically just flat out stated you want this class kept in a non-viable place. Aka nerfed into the ground.

Why do you even post? That’s not something constructive.

The whole idea of HS is that it offers sustain without forcing you to spec too much into it. This is balanced because of the fact that apart from that passive sustain you get almost nothing ( healing signet active is very weak).
The things you want to change about the skill are exactly the things that were designed to be the trade-off. Good passive heal without giving you the ability to turn it into an OP heal if you spec into healing power AND forces you to trade your ability to counter heavy spikes against you because of the weak active.
It was designed right and it works like that.
I play HS warrior. Poison and spikes are my bane. And that’s exactly how it should be.
Why make it like mending and have mending reworked? The skill is fine on its on and as it is.

Also the fact that you want warriors to be made unviable because you dislike the class is just an expression of what the player base has become.
Malicious to the extreme.

Um, I said to NOT reduce condi clearing back to levels that kept warriors from being viable. NOT reduce. You may want to slow down and read all the words before you spew forth errant conclusions.

Can anyone answere this question, what is the warriors new weakness?

The warriors greatest strength right now is that dumb people don’t know how to play against them.

Their weakness is cry babies calling for nerfs before learning to play.

Tallis.5607:

my little brain

This has been evident for a long time. Unfortunately, there is no cure.

Just keep this thread going. There’s no point in making a new one.

So all you need is a glass jar with a screw top lid?

Well at least we’ll always have Paris…

I’ll miss you forums.

Engis are cool to fight since there seems to be a broad range of builds out there (they may not all be great, but at least there is some variation).

Get applied fortitude on an ele if you want health.

How did open field fighting get in there?

I need to see more arrow cart clips.

NICKEZ.3671:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Well since TC lost to FA last week, it should be pretty evident that most of the WVW players are taking some time to celebrate the Holidays with their families now (as are most people). I wouldn’t get too worked up about the results this week.

Yeah, and FA’s favorite strategy seems to be to run away and bore us to sleep by playing the hard PPT game. Hey, whatever works for you.

/Shrug

Skew things however you want Scrooge.

Well since TC lost to FA last week, it should be pretty evident that most of the WVW players are taking some time to celebrate the Holidays with their families now (as are most people). I wouldn’t get too worked up about the results this week.

Sepreh.5924:

Just thought I would start a little list of things that make us have no respect for players in WvW. This may come off as arrogant but I think that some people might agree with the cursory list I have.

1. Anyone who has 5 stacks of guard leech and 5 stacks of applied fortitude: are you really that bad of a player that you need an extra 350 stat points? Common.

2. Anyone who gets stacks of bloodlust/corruption/etc killing animals: you are already trying to give yourself a huge stat advantage. Don’t be a kitten by getting those stat points by killing things that barely fight back

3. Anyone who ganks uplevels: They are uplevels. Do you really think ganking them shows any skill on your part? Let them live. Fight them if they attack you but dont stomp

4. Anyone who plays a PU mesmer: This is the cancer of WvW right now. I am not going to provide all the reasons why I do not respect people who play this build but in short, it encompasses the features of GW2 that non-trolls despise – condition stacking, passive play through AI, invisibility, cowardly play and a counter that involves spamming AOE (conditions if possible)

This is a short list of the people who I respect least in WvW but I am sure there are other lame things people do that I havent thought of. What do you have no respect for in WvW?

You again… are you ever happy?

Next it will be people on siege equipment, or people running food or crafting ascended items.

Come down off your high horse and try to have some fun.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

glaphen.5230:

If I had a choice between a dollar for every time an Elementalist used Ride the Lightning into Updraft and a 100 dollar bill for every time a Warrior hit with Rush I would make more on the Elementalist. Elementalist can escape better than a Warrior just by taking Fiery Greatsword elite and it can also be given to an ally. Sacrificing an elite slot when both the other two elites suck cannot be compared to sacrificing an entire weapon set or two for weapons that cannot kill on their own.

Please, In a race out of a Warrior and Ele, the Warrior would win, short distance maybe it would be tighter but a race to see who can escape who first i would have to go with the Warrior.

Yeah using an Elite for movement…
I would say Tornado is great in the right situations, the Elemental yeah i would agree that sucks but why would you waste your Elite on a movement skill to begin with…unless its your only option and then what does that say?

Why not? I mean you are bound to encounter lower level people and you just rush in burst everything you have and if they are close to death – you stay and finish them off, if you know its going to be a long drawn out tough fight you could just burst the same movement skills again when they are off and be out of there and nothing can be done.

Basically the same high reward, low risk gameplay as the Thief. Go in burst, if they die great, if not stealth reset fight and rinse and repeat thanks to all that lovely skill spam you have and no fear of weapon skill cool downs…

The Fiery Greatsword is a great way for an ele to chase down a fleeing warrior. If your goal is to catch and kill him, who cares if you use an elite to do it!? The whole purpose of an elite skill is to help you win, so use it then!!

You are basically saying that you want to be able to kill a warrior without having to use an elite skill, which is hilarious. I should just ask Anet to nerf all classes so I don’t even have to weapon swap!

The GS abilities have been available SINCE LAUNCH, but now all of a sudden it’s causing people to cry?? Isn’t it rather odd that it’s suddenly an issue? There is some kind of whiners bandwagon that just showed up in town, and most don’t even play their classes to the full potential.

TheGreatA.4192:

I believe greatsword Rush and maybe Whirlwind needs the same treatment as Elementalist Ride The Lightning, which is to put a higher CD on the skill if it doesn’t land on the enemy. That’s about it.

That’s a huge problem though. The Rush ability whiffs constantly even when you are fighting.

Rush would have to be reworked to make it consistently hit 100% of the time before they screw with the cool downs.

At the end of the day, GS abilities are not the problem.

lol, xoxo

Those trolls were from NSP right?

I can’t even remember now.

So many tears in these posts. None of you seem to know that the warrior was a joke for more than a year.

People have found some viable builds since then and Anet addressed a lot of old problems.

The other classes need to adapt to this instead of calling for nerfs. The warrior could use a GS since launch but now all of a sudden its OP? Wtf is wrong with you guys?

So many baddies out there!

WVW is not a death match of kill or be killed. People will flee from a fight just as they will charge in to a fight.

I bet none of you have even tried to create builds to beat a warrior. You just come here to complain instead.

If you win a 3v1, those players were bad. Either they lack skill, or their builds are complete trash.

So many baddies in here crying for a nerf before they even learn how to play.

^ Yup, this guy gets it.

Mag has got some duelers out there tonight.

Like the general rank ele from ILL that wouldn’t stop to fight, and then some glassy SDF? thief comes in for a poke on me (nice try, you almost had me down).

The payback on the ruins was sweet when I downed the dirty thief and dropped a snow glob on him.

/dance

Nice generalization.

I guess we could also say that TC is bad at open field and only fights when they outnumber their opponent 2 to 1.

Markus.9084:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Actually this thread was about 6 people trying to zerg down a warrior who escaped. Then a bunch of people started to complain about everything else they felt was strong for the warrior class.

Yet there are classes and builds that are capable of beating warriors in a stand up fight if he doesn’t disengage.

L2p/suckitup

Move on to a new target if the warrior won’t finish the fight. Nuff said.

Don’t you have any others arguments than L2p ??? I bet you’re one of these warriors.

Perma stealth thieves are very weak… catch one, and he is dead in 5 sec. A warrior is fast and tanky. Catch a running warrior, and you’ll have to burst him for 13+ sec. Meanwhile, i’ll just run again.

Of course, people can trait and build to be faster and catch a usain-warrior. But to do so, we need to sacrifice tons of dps. So in the end, we won’t be able to kill him before he escapes again.

As for saying : he runs, you win… I’m sorry, no. What about dolyaks, camps, ruins ? to protect these objectives, we need to kill all threats.

Since you’re so clever, explain us what to do in order to stop these warriors… You say L2p, L2p….. well, teach us !

Correction l2p/suckitup

Since you may not fall under category #1, try #2.

Don’t waste your time trying to catch him if you can’t. Play your class with a purpose and stick to it. If you are not a “catch a fleeing warrior” build, then don’t try.

Thieves, eles, warriors, engis and even rangers can pursue a warrior. The Norn elite snow leopard can catch a warrior (this is where l2p comes in).

If you are too lazy to educate yourselves, or have someone in your group designed to deal with the situation, then don’t come here and cry “NERF”. At least try to be creative before the QQ starts.

Edit: Next it’s going to be mesmers with clones and invisibility. “Waaa, I can’t hit them…” etc.

Most of the people in here don’t even roam or duel, they’re just a bunch of zerglings looking for an easy target.

You’re a necro. Drop some wells at your feet to keep him from standing beside you spamming an ability that you can essentially walk away from.

Ya, but look who’s on the street corner, and who’s driving a sweet car.

Mag wins

Actually this thread was about 6 people trying to zerg down a warrior who escaped. Then a bunch of people started to complain about everything else they felt was strong for the warrior class.

Yet there are classes and builds that are capable of beating warriors in a stand up fight if he doesn’t disengage.

L2p/suckitup

Move on to a new target if the warrior won’t finish the fight. Nuff said.

This thread XD

Sounds like there are some really good warriors out on the field. So good that they escape enemies. And these other classes are mad because they can’t run after them

My goodness. This sounds like a l2p/suckitup problem.

All these complainers…

Just play the game and stop whining.

Usagi just got served by the foreign guy

Evalana.5480:

Tyrion – Best commander on NA servers. Hands down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YKXyrJhGM

disclaimer: person that recorded is a clicker….

Did we win?

lol, best video ever

Jaxs.5830:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Nobody is having fun in here. They are behaving badly and should all be punished,

So far it looks like SOS was keeping TC in check at night while Mag just offers up easy ppt.

This weeks ppt game goes to TC

We held a meeting with our doors last night, they promised to do better.

Thank you!!

Nobody is having fun in here. They are behaving badly and should all be punished,

So far it looks like SOS was keeping TC in check at night while Mag just offers up easy ppt.

This weeks ppt game goes to TC

It was said earlier, you just have to read the first few responses.

Ok cool

I’ll try to keep an eye out for it. Good luck in school!

Eles can drop the fiery greatsword and be over the horizon in moments. They are actually faster than a warrior when they use it AND their buddy can grab a greatsword as well.

Perfect 2v1 run down situation for the zergy types out there.

Grebcol.5984:

Hei Anet comon whats up with that bullkitten? This troll warriors who runs like Usain bolt and 6 Guys cant chatch them? Pls regulate this its stupid right now to play as a roamer.This class can do every thing,this is unfair unbalanced.they have highest Def/HP and can resete every fight so.
Also with Thief,two shadowsteps and with shortbow,25 % movespeed i cant catch these guys,what the hell?
Pls adjust the range from warriors charge skill this is to much!

So what did this ONE warrior do to require SIX enemy players to chase him? You guys could be MUCH more effective doing something else.

If you can’t kill him in a 1v1 because he gets away, then you need to find a new target because you are wasting your time.

Thieves have just as much mobility as a warrior and NOT EVERY SINGLE WARRIOR runs a build that allows them to escape.

I don’t feel bad that you six guys couldn’t zerg down one guy. Come on!

Well after a blobby reset, I hope we can thin the zergs out and get some roamers on the map.

I look forward to the rest of the week.

Do you have any more videos showing off the build in 1v1 fights or at least smaller than what was posted?

It’s hard to grasp the overall strength of it when there are several other players there.

Great fights in TC BL ruins a little while ago. I found a Mag Warrior, TC Warrior, and Mag Necro.

That was a blast guys

I’m extremely upset with BOMB for making us win this week. The rest of the server took December off in order to pve our little butts off, but now we look super good at the ppt game. Darn you Silver League!!!!!!!!!!

Cool I’ll give it a shot

Bow + sword/warhorn

I would accept the changes you propose, but I can’t see Anet agreeing with us.

At this point they want to make sure warriors stay strong, but to do that they need to telegraph all our big skills.

My normal 1 hits for 1-1.6k so using final thrust above 50% is useless for me.

Reducing the cast time would be nice, but slightly OP.

If they buff the damage over 50% hp I would be surprised.

nicknamenick.2437:

Furiousbeard.7602:

I get 4-10k crits in wvw with it. I think it’s ok

Again I am talking about ABOVE 50% health….

Why does nobody READS the topics..

If you do hit for 4k-10k with it (on a base of 1000 dps above 50% health) you would also hit like 3-8k with hammer auto attack?

Read what I post pls

Don’t be rude.

The skill is fine, you just have to use it at the right time.

Tyrion english > TC

I get 4-10k crits in wvw with it. I think it’s ok

Dstroya.6705:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Destruction of the empowered trait nullifies protection depending on how many buffs the guardian has.

That would require the Guardian to have 11 boons up to nullify protection. There are only 9, so protection would still win out.

Haha, it doesn’t win out by much when he’s got 9 buffs up. 33%-27%=6% Damage mitigation. If you run the empowered trait which increases your damage by 1% per boon and you have 3-5 boons up, protection becomes a joke.

How did that Dolyak parade go last night?

I take full credit for the win. My bloodlusting resulted in a lot of fun roaming fights.

ronpierce.2760:

Just out of curiosity, I’ve ran into an issue. I literally CANNOT 1v1 a good thief who uses Dagger pistol because they can basically keep me near perma-blinded, specifically with things like
Steal -> Black Powder -> Warrior stolen whirl combo.
Then Black powder -> Whirl elite.

I play hambow, it just seems like everything is far too slow to shrug it off, I’m basically forced to hold it as long as I can or leave and let them have it. 8 seconds of zerker stance just doesn’t cut it usually it seems.

Tips, please?

Minus condi food, warhorn with quick breathing trait, berserker stance, cleansing ire trait.

Pecar.1236:

omg another crying troll wtf hammer stun??? earthshaker have long animation so if you noob and cannot dodge dont play pvp. Savage leap lol lol you need target to use it when in fight and there is no other target that enemy who is near you its automatic use leap to him. and i start cry troll too: omg why thief have stupid perma stealth why they can spam blind? why mesmer only spam clones/illusions and teleport? why necromancer spam milion conditions? why engineer with tank build do big dmg with grenades and can spam big healing? why ele tank able to healing and spam dmg? every proffesion have strong side and weak side if you choose 1 build its not effective vs all proffesion build you must choose battle what can win and dont attack every enemy what see THIS IS NOT PVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Savage leap can be used to escape if you have nobody selected. Just sayin’

Since TC beats FA more consistently than FA beats TC, I will expect TC to come back strong in the new year.

Regardless of score, this was a good match and I hope for many more. If we’re only beating each other by 10-20k then we’re pretty darn close in coverage and ppt.

Cheers everybody! Have a great time celebrating the holidays with your families!