Guild Wars 2

I don’t know if its 375 to 100 and i see no hope I don’t plan to continue to fight and die next to incompetent players. There’s an afk penalty for 5min which is a good balance between rage and actual irl issues.

Add stat down debuffs on res sickness, add 20% Stat down on for 10mins on actual death. Get rid of repairing and actually punish the character instead of the wallet or the time.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The idea of dueling has been proposed a number of times. Often, posters have explained why they like dueling in games. Sometimes, they’ve even tried to work with people who disagree, folks who see it as a distraction to the core game, folks who’d rather see ANet work on stuff, and folks who see it as undermining a core ‘feature’ of the game: cooperative PvE.

That doesn’t appear to be the case here. Instead of having a conversation, one poster can’t seem to offer more than, “the criticisms are inadequate” or “childish” and that people are against it because they are “scared.” There’s no way to have a conversation when someone is that unwilling to consider other points of view.

I’ll make one attempt to make my view clear: devs have limited resources; they can only work on some of the great ideas we suggest. Based on threads like this, it seems the dueling is incredibly popular among a tiny fraction of the population, rejected out of hand by a large fraction, and a majority probably don’t care if it’s in GW2 or not. I think there are so many other ideas that the majority would love to see or even just that the fraction of “yes, please” is larger than the fraction of “over my defeated character.”

Given that I’ve been wrong about such things before (e.g. I thought raids would be bad for the game; turns out they’ve been, on balance, great), I’m keeping an open mind about how ANet would implement something like dueling; it might be good.

Or in brief, it’s not at the top of the list for best cost:benefit for the community as a whole. Seems like a good feature for other games, but probably not GW2.

Raids have no been bad for the game, it gave a good 30% of the population a reason to play and stay. Yes traditional MMO players do play this game i know this because me and my friends are those kinda of players.

On your point for PvP, dev cycles are a good place to based you claims on i will not argue that its a good point but I really don’t believe that the reason why many of the people in this thread disagree with dueling to be honest. But honestly good point never looked at it from that angle.

My bad i thought, he was salting out because there’s alot of hate about holosmiths going around.

sorudo.9054:

zengara.8301:

sorudo.9054:

ok, what if sPvP now all of a sudden get’s a legendary monster killing ppl, would you love that too?

I wrote this previously:

“Ive seen the link Inculpatus Cedo. Most of the comments seems rather inadequate. Some circle around a childish reasoning and misuse of the forms of appeal by either using pathos, and directing the arguement towards an idea that this game somehow would become more agressive by letting people use duel instead of getting into heart of the mist. Or simply use a very childish comparison, where as 1 breaks the game while the other one adds to the game.”

Edited:
And tbh….In my perspective, saying this really have nothing to add or take from the argument because it makes no sense to me that I wouldn’t be able to duel someone just because it is not in “PvP zone”
But……SPvP do have monsters, that I have in fact died from….mainly in the beginning or as a thief….but still

actually it does, adding PvP in PvE has the same effect as adding PvE in PvP.
we can just turn it all around, have zergs of monsters in PvP with veteran, elite and champion monsters walking around in PvP maps killing any and all players in their path.

what i see is the pathetic childish behavior to force PvP in PvE, there are already 2 modes specifically made for PvP yet there is a need to ruin the only single mode made for PvE with yet another PvP mode.
like others have said, there are plenty of modes allowing you to PvP each other to death, we PvE-only players want nothing to do with it.

seriously, you act as if PvP is the one thing that is fun, if you like PvP so much play games made for PvP but don’t ruin others fun by forcing yours.

Dueling would have zero effect on PvE players because it’s 100% optional.

I think with the exception of Holosmith and Spellbreakers every other spec iis tuned for PvE.

There’s a disconnect with opinions right now because many PvE ppl are PvPing with said specs without any real understanding on how PvP is played and how bursty it can be. For example no matter how much damage you give to weavers it just cannot face people in melee range in PvP because Ele just aren’t built to fight like that, unless your an auramancer, same for mesmers unless you go chronomancy with shield.

I absolutely agree with you on the weaver, its just not built to pvp at all it, mirages biggest issue is that the dodge invul time is way shorter then regular dodge i actually feel more squishy using that dodge then the old one tbh.

I disagree engineers sourly needed a spec that wasn’t kit reliant, they finally get one everyone gets salty. Not an engineer player either.

I say leave them be and buff the other specs to there relative level.

Djinn.9245:

zengara.8301:

I honestly just do not get it, why are people so afraid of Dueling everywhere? What is so scary about it?

Your attempts to bait people by repeatedly talking about “afraid” and “scary” are hilarious. No one who has answered this thread has said “cause I’m scared”. Most people have given logical reasons why they don’t think its a good idea.

But if “why you so scared” is the best argument you have…

I’m interested in your views can you explain to me why your against dueling?

Swagger.1459:

Genesis.5169:

Swagger.1459:

Genesis.5169:

Swagger.1459:

zengara.8301:

Eve.9812:

the goal of open-world content is, all in all, to make you excited to see another player, to make you happy that someone else showed up. adding a dueling system does not contribute to this goal in any way and debatably goes against it by introducing an entirely opposite element to the pre-existing content.
i, personally, do not think dueling in and of itself would ‘ruin’ open world content, no — i see it as simply a step in the entirely wrong direction. catering to players who want to experience their specific flavor of content outside of its intended area would just muddle the tone of the experience itself. nobody goes into raids expecting to kill enemy players, or sPvP expecting to go exploring. it just makes no sense to implement it when it fails to contribute to the overarching goal or surrounding content in any way.

is it a huge problem if it gets added? not really.
does it make sense for it to exist in open-world PvE? definitely not.

You begin your arguement with a selfproclaimed reasoning for open world content. I agree that being happy to see another player is a part of the open world content…while attacking a boss, or doing certain hearts…..in some regards. But saying that it is the main reason, is quiet wrong. Beside the ideology of this game having a lot of tasks that do not depend on any other player….like jumping puzzle, random hearts that require you to deliver xx things……or transforming you and stuff……the whole MMORPG genre did not make this a reason in anyway. I am sorry to say this, but I have written around 5 lines now, and this whole comment simply seems out of line on so many things, that I honestly do not know how to….sorry to say….but take this comment seriously. But the goal to open world content never really had been about being happy to meet other players, in any mmorpg, Gw2 did make a statement that they want to pursue the idea of making defeating a minion a shared experience……but yeah I will just stop here…because wow xD

Seriously? Pve is for pve here. The devs made a decision to create pure pve zones where players help each other, not so they could duel and troll. But luckily for you there are areas to duel, so use them.

Since you ignored… What are your wvw and spvp ranks?

How can you duel a and troll a person who declined your duel. I hate when people make up really weird excuses that have really merit what so ever.

It takes two people to dual not one, you gotta accept me trolling you before i can’t troll you which is a pretty fair arrangement tbh.

Riiiight….

So what prevents players from setting up “fight clubs” in event/meta areas and trolling other players and taking up pop spots?

Take the duel stuff to where the devs made dueling a possibility…

Wait what?
Even if that’s case tagging in the game is really forgiving and loot is individual. And do you mean by trolling people?

No seriously i don’t understand how dueling equates to people getting trolled I don’t know how this path gets there if you could explain this in detail which me appreciated.

Just add WHY on earth would some dual in meta area’s where AI mobs can come in and ruin the fight.

Time to get over it… No dueling in pve. Go to wvw, spvp, os and guild halls for your hot dueling action…

So basically the argument you have for against it is, its not there so yeah there’s that? I would appreciate your opinion because this is one of those things that impact no one but people who want to duel.

At worst it may take people outside of cities and have more people lobby at the gate instead like in every other mmo i just can’t understand where you guys are coming from i really am interested in why your so against it.

I’ve been playing my reaper destroying people day. PvP is still chess OP sit down and learn the classes go and make other classes and learn there strengths and weaknesses, all games eventually evolves you gotta evolve with it or accept the consequences.

apharma.3741:

Genesis.5169:

Sao.7146:

Sword Air do not have any condition and should scale like a power weapon. Dagger fire do have a tons of conditions too, it do not matter.

It does because if sword was superior to dagger in every way dagger would easily fall out of viability, and i here plenty of people here complaining about must have specs and builds alot so why are you guys suddenly advocating for it now?

Sword attacks are mostly 170 range, dagger range is minimum 300, with air auto seemingly to hit way beyond that too. The sword also doesn’t apply the conditions till the 3rd strike for fire and applies no conditions on air or water. The earth auto is 4,4,8s of bleed while dagger earth auto is 10s of bleed on every attack and has about the same cast time as 2nd and 3rd part of earth auto.

Make no mistake, sword is not a condition weapon any more than dagger is, in fact I think dagger actually completely eclipses swords ability to apply conditions with the exception of the dual skills which favour sword only because most fire and earth combos have burn or bleed. Though as mentioned the swords range is also half that of dagger so when we take into account how much easier it is to miss I’d say dagger is slightly better.

Either way it doesn’t justify how much less damage sword auto does, the best thing for them to do in my opinion is make each part of the chain 1/2s instead of mostly being 3/4s casts. That should even out the damage without going overboard.

I disagree s/d fire attunement and earth attunment pull out far more condition damage then d/d from what i can tell. We can sit down and hash out the numbers together i would love to actually.

To the spreadsheets.

zengara.8301:

Ive seen the link Inculpatus Cedo. Most of the comments seems rather inadequate. Some circle around a childish reasoning and misuse of the forms of appeal by either using pathos, and directing the arguement towards an idea that this game somehow would become more agressive by letting people use duel instead of getting into heart of the mist. Or simply use a very childish comparison, where as 1 breaks the game while the other one adds to the game.

The only real answer I can get behind, between all these answers, seems to be that there are simply no way to balance the different classes. Guard>Necro>Ele>Guard
and A-Net might not want to pursue duels or deathmatches because of this idea.

Though I gotta admit that I did learn something, seems like that the people are getting more and more scared of the social aspects of the game. As if every small bit of change, could be huge-, since people will be able to duel and that will be the most scary thing ever since they get more aggressive and suddenly spam duel to everyone-.

It is very representing of the current system world wide, specially how the American president got elected. It is very scary how affected people are by every 0,0001% change. though that is beside the point of this thread
I can understand that the devs cant afford changing every balance for a duel or matchmaking system, and very glad I got that answer

Too be honest from the perspective of people who PvP mainly they are aggressive players you generally have to be to PvP through the loss streak and the win streaks, or the bad players especially with all the PvE folks in sPvP this weekend, your mind sets gotta be i can win this regardless of w/e …because my god the amount of people in sPvP that just simply don’t understand the game mode is overwhelming i opted to not pvp for the weekend because of it.

Devs don’t have to balance for 1v1 WoW never did just put a disclaimer that 1v1 are for casual fighting, don’t put it into rank hell don’t give it a single reward people just want to be able to play PvP without having to worry about folk who either don’t know how to play. Or want to fight some one with out some random there or ranger ruining your duel at of no where.

Looking at you conquest.

zengara.8301:

ok, never thought people actually was deliberately against it, just thought it was one of those arguments like the mounts…..“devs havent done it, so dont ask for it” kind of mentality. I have not seen any spam messages in any other game having a open world duel system.

But is people asking you for a duel, an actual concern for people?

Yes, for people who pvp a the lack of game modes that rely on just killing the enemy is quite frustrating. Anet refuses to add TDM because they do not want to pay any serious attention to PvP and that’s from Anets mouth directly.

Literally they do not want to balance pvp or spend time to tune it, its on the pvp forums a red post.

Nope elitist will never love you, its not a pleasure to oblige people who suck, unless you actually know that person and have a reason to invest your time into teaching them. No players don’t have to care about anyone else at all.

No you don’t get to join any group you like because you want to. No you don’t get to run any spec you want to in a organized setting which is why it god kitten organized. No you don’t get to run the healing necro or the condition mesmers because you like the build there’s something for that its called almost the rest of GW2 except for raids and sPvP.

None of you have the right to get mad at any party who kicks you for what ever reason what so ever if the party agree’s your being kicked because your character name is Jill Livingston that’s that its a vote. Stop trying to force people to play with you regardless of circumstances.

Bad players ruin the fun for good players in all game modes this thread is filled with i don’t care about the other 4 people they have to cater to my needs. Screw that your owed nothing at all in a party setting YOU ARE the one who has to work with everyone else ITS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND

. Geez in what world can some random can come in a party and say alright guys this is how were gonna run this really?

Uhh, like literally everything in this game progresses you, you don’t have to get a guide to do anything when you cap just do something. Like that was the entire point of this game being made.

Geez…seems like you want anet to literally tell you want to do.

Sao.7146:

Sword Air do not have any condition and should scale like a power weapon. Dagger fire do have a tons of conditions too, it do not matter.

It does because if sword was superior to dagger in every way dagger would easily fall out of viability, and i here plenty of people here complaining about must have specs and builds alot so why are you guys suddenly advocating for it now?

Talindra.4958:

I wish Anet remove the CD in order to switch the main attunement. For example, IF we are on Air switching to Earth, the CD for Earth should be zero (only for Earth) so we can immediately access the main offhand instead of being disabled and have to wait for 5 second CD to switch again. Say forexample in the middle of fight I am on Fire… I need dagger offhand 4 to CC, I have to switch to Earth 5 second before that in order to properly switch to the offhands that I need for CC and that’s 5 second later? I die already probably. :p
this is a bit silly. a bit disabled in this sense.

Use unravel problem solved, Your main issue is that weaver is just not for pvp atm, Ele do not have the defensive utility or the hp for full melee confrontation, it would be a phenomenal PvE spec with out a doubt though.

You can lower the attunement to 2seconds if you run arcane/air/weaving.

Played about 10 games on weaver, gotta say its absolutely trash for sPvP, Ele’s just do not have the defensive tools or the hp to fight people in melee range in any situation.

How ever it looks like a beast PvE spec. If you sPvP auramancer is still your goto, and if you WvW, fresh air is still the way to go there’s just not enough mitigation tools, condition clear to make weaver viable in pvp barriers are not enough.

Maybe if you spec toughness + healing power but then you have no damage, if your gonna run weaver that way you honestly should just run an auramancer.

Thats my 2 cents from what i have tested.

Forgotten Legend.9281:

now that two consecutive elite specs are essentially melee oriented (tempest was frontline support, overloads point blank AoE…. Weaver is definitely melee with the sword) …

MAY WE PLEASE HAVE A REAL BACKLINE DAMAGE SPEC NOW!!!???? or at least something that’s not focused on WvW / PvP…

in b4 but staff fire is a backline damage spec!
response: staff is a backline SUPPORT weapon with 70% of the skills being boons/ cc/ heals/ soft cc.

i redirect you toward the elite spec suggestion thread, using a couple of my own suggestions. there are MANY more:
~Archermage: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Suggestions-Future-Elite-Specializations/page/7#post6171770
~Summoner: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Suggestions-Future-Elite-Specializations/page/4#post5940673

Weaver is far from a PvP spec unfortunately.

Dagger is a power weapon sword is more of a condition weapon which is why the Dagger auto attack hits harder for air atunement that is.

Would it be possible to separate queues for the Demo people every match is a blowout match because people do not understand how sPvP is played its really ruining it for people who actually enjoy sPvP.

I just had 3 games where 2+ people went to cap the first home and in everyone of my games people didn’t even attempt to decap they just wanted to fight to test the build.

There’s gotta be some reason to use the spec now guys, this whole have cake and eating mentality needs to go.

Go and make your own party. It’s not hard, you don’t wanna queue with hardcore players don’t leave and make your own party.

Hardcore people not going into Open World PvE saying your dps sucks are they? But you come into raids in there territory expecting them to play by your rules? Seems a bit entitled.

I’m not a hardcore player i used to be i came back to this game because i wanted a casual experience which i get everyday. I don’t go around raids or high end fotm and underperform and rage at Anet because i was kick for underperforming i just take the loss and go home because I am the one not in the right not them, people are expecting you to the best or atleast above average, if your not and you know your not don’t waste the other people’s time.

Click services goto support make ticket.

It sucks alot, and its a condition spec which mesmers have no support for chronomancer is still the way to go.

In before the mods come and take down my post for having an opinion.

To be honest this looks like absolute kitten. I’ve been a mesmer since release, please don’t say play it firsts i’ve been playing a long enough time to understand what is or isn’t kitten for my class and this is kitten.

Also its a condition weapon wtf…we have like 1 1/2 tree’s atm that can do condition damage okay so you wanna force us into making us kittenty little hybrids with this elite.

1/10 Would not spec into. Expect major overhauls on like the 3rd or forth patch for PoF this is a kittenty weapon and a kitten build the dodge doesn’t make up for it.

PvP must suffer for the sins of PvE i don’t know why anyone is surprised.

I don’t think i’m edgy.

Lord Velar.1509:

bluri.2653:

Lord Velar.1509:

Crinn.7864:

Lord Velar.1509:

It got nerfed today? Happy now?

Like seriously if i see another thread about condi thief after today I’m gonna start telling people off cause after this nerf

It’s really your fault if you die to one

Where are you seeing these nerfs? I see nothing in the patch nor in the thief subforum about any nerfs to condi thief.

My guess is a stealth nerf, ive co mained my condi thief for a long time and know how to use him

I can tell that his damage is way lower than it used to be, then i played a couple matches, I’m used to seeing 350K+-500k per match, not one match did i break 300k in damage

You need to lay down whatever you are smoking there is no nerfs to condi thief.

It was 9/10 stealth nerfed, also yet again, condi thief isn’t remotely op, you all just don’t know how to cleanse in a season where its condi wars…..i don’t see how thief is the issue

Yeah lets just ignore burn guards, deathly chill necros, condi ranger, condi ele, yeah….thief is the only issue

What condition ele’s are you running to bro?

My god, there are actually people here asking for tournaments to be easier. You lost to a better team. There is nothing that can be done from the outside to fix that. Anet can not suddenly make people of equal skill level.

There is no amount of math, balancing, or segmenting that will equalize player skill its about attitude, natural talent, skill, and communication. STOP THIS, this would devastate the pvp community a great deal, even if most the community does do tourne’s it would easily send the message that competition in this game is not wanted, and that the devs fear any bit of tears in a competitive setting where tears are generally the default mode.

I BEG OF YOU stop this and those who are against this stand tall and speak out we cannot let PvP degenerate any further.

Monsters, were too far apart, need map wide meta events as well i dislike that there is no vertical areas after teaching most of the player base to think outside the box giving in and undoing that is a bad idea. It was great story wise voice acting amazing.

6.5/10 2 point loss for lack of vertical areas.

Edit : Forgot to mention i would like enemies to at least have some kind of counter play if there going to be weak a dazes stuns etc.

Ithilwen.1529:

Akenos.4762:

The simple truth of the matter is; I have played with the same several people over the past 10 to 15 years, across many games, and they have recently looked at GW2 and thought “we cannot actually play as a 5 stack team, so why would we play GW?”. To which I have no response.

Only being able to queue as a two stack is the best part of pointless, I thought GW2 was supposed to be an MMO? And if the developers cannot make the game work with 3v3 or 5v5, perhaps they should stop advertising it as an MMO…

You can’t stack as a pre-made because it was blatantly abused. It pleases the 5 and kittens off the 100 solo’s that they farm in an evening.

I don’t see any problem here, nothing is stoping the solos from forming there own group, also nothing is to say that group of 5 people are good enough to destroy every match that night.

I really think Anet giving in on this was a mistake every competitive game ever allows this regardless of tears there’s a reason for that. And how do you blatantly abuse winning a match fair and square? This community is the reason why Anet doesn’t wanna bothering balancing half of you guys are entitled children expecting everything should be equal in a natural unequal system.

Get rid of this notion that everybody wins if you want that goto PvE keep that out of PvP

Tournaments aren’t supposed to be on equal playing grounds…i know this is GW2 but competition doesn’t slow down for anyone especially in pvp sorry to say the only thing i can tell u is get good my friend.

MrAidenVoid.7416:

About your last few statements Genesis.
Are you sure about that?
When have you started playing ele, i mean before HoT arcane was the most used spec and utils for pvp, we used to rely on arcane for survivability whilst we focused the rest on offensive traits and weapons, you probably are one of those auramancer bunker eles that cant play ele to its full potential, the buffs to arcane are amazing for s/f eles and soon will be helpfull with weaver, if u go tempest rely on being a bunker and not a dps dealer, dont expect to kill something when going bunker plz.

Yeah that was before HoT the key being before HoT they game is far more different now. I’d rather not argue with you on the merits on what a bunker is or not given that i run menders and not clerics..i think i get where you coming from but i don’t think you have pvp’d at all recently.

I’m pretty sure they use the same hero points it would make no sense if they didn’t and likely you wont have to unlock the other mastery for it due to the fact Anet basically just nerfed all the HoT elites to sell the PoF ones. And to force people to max out the HoT one after nerfing them would be way too much pain to push on there player base at once.

Business is business but geez if they did that a good bit of me and my friends/guild would leave the game just out protest and im pretty sure people at anet know this at least the people who play there own game do.

How about ranked TDM 5v5 or 10v10 or 20v20. I’d like to play a game mode where my goal is to kill people or save people.

No thats not WvW.

WvW is a bunch of people following the dorito around getting denied by the other team following the dorito around for 20hours. Nothing happens and my god if something does happen it last for about 2mins and thats about it.

Man its funny its always the PvE guys saying i wish i could just run along and play as selfishly as a can in a group setting no matter what. (raids)

Then people said man there so much content i have to do together and so the anet proceeded to make a good 90% of the game capable of being done with out talking to a single soul, again you PvE only guys.

And now people complaining about masteries because some of them require you to a a particular thing in a particular way.

It maybe just the genre of video game you play just isn’t for you guys at this point.

TheQuickFox.3826:

silvermember.8941:

TheQuickFox.3826:

Ele had Best survivability? Why was I one-shotted so often then in PvP by thieves and guardians?

Without the restoration of Celestial I’ll be doomed on remaining on the losing end of the battles. But well. I mostly gave up on this. I’ll get points also for losing. in the end, I’ll get the rank anyways. It just takes longer.

You shouldn’t be one shorted by thieves or guardians. Did you consider the possibility that you aren’t good?

I’ll leave this judgement to others. I know the game, know my build, know my maps and played this Ele for around 2290 hours. In PvP, I only have silver/bronze skill levels. But when I’m killed in a few seconds, there is not much time to fight back.

Yes and no if your and auramancer you have options to get out of that bind untill you run out of cd’s although you prolly won’t kill your target but you’ll live. If you playing anything else like fresh air, or something your gonna die in about 2second there’s nothing u can do about it ele’s just aren’t built to last unless you build them to last and forgo any form of real damage in the process.

Ragnarox.9601:

I dont know what are you talking about, ele is most powerful profession in this game in all game modes.

Can you explain that claim please as an ele player in pvp this belief escapes me what do you see that i do not?

Jski.6180:

Genesis.5169:

Tempest isn’t going to do any dps because your gonna be dodge rolling and out of melee most of the time, can to that awesome dps if your in fear of being dead in 3attacks from a boss or another player.

Un-gate our survival from healing power and maybe we can look at a melee spec on a flipping elementalist.

Well no your not doing dps with tempest because its a support tank so…. wait for weaver? I am sry that tempest was not the dps elite spec you wanted and at this point if you cant see that your choosing to blind your self to the class.

Core ele melee can work its just a very high risk set up. As 1 out of the 3 weapons are melee ranged and realty that 1 has some ranged effect its safe to say core ele not a full on melee class. A mages still a mages at the end of the day and getting close to things with light armor still going to be painful.

I meant to say weaver i mis typed.

Jski.6180:

The pve only nerfs? Spvp only got buffs out side of i guess air overload lost 3 hits. Every thing else was a buff for spvp.

Uh huh, like what?
Conjure weapons where never used in pvp.
Arcane was never used in spvp.
Elementals where never used in spvp.

The fire buffs which im not sure are buffs i honestly don’t know what they are condition was never used in pvp due to not enough damage vs survivability on a Elementalist to out last and have the condition damage kill a target.

So where are these so called buffs now?

Oh yea fire attunement is pretty bad in pvp, if u didn’t know now you know. Kinda just feels like buffed arcane so that weaver could be the best spec with out figuring out no Elementalist can go weaver in pvp unless they want to die in about 2 maybe 3 seconds if your good.

Weavere isn’t going to do any dps because your gonna be dodge rolling and out of melee most of the time, can to that awesome dps if your in fear of being dead in 3attacks from a boss or another player.

Un-gate our survival from healing power and maybe we can look at a melee spec on a flipping elementalist.

It was misery, maybe its me but these nerfs full super overwhelming in spvp, i mean i cannot kill anyone at all yes i’m a auramancer because i don’t wanna die in 3seconds because i got dazed for 2 seconds, tried to step out of it and my suriviability went down by atleast 90%.

I know how to play my class i have alot of games played, wings of accession etc i just don’t damage anymore. I tried use the new summons they are too slow they never hit targets you WAY TO squishy to use conjured weapons in pvp. Tried arcane shield with conjured weapons STILL WAY TO SQUISHY and can’t do damage. Tried getting rid of tempest and went arcane still way to squishy and i do no damage.

I just don’t think i can pvp anymore on my Ele i really tried i was up untill 3am last night trying to figure this kitten out and i got nowhere. Is it me does anyone have any advice experiences the wanna share because im out of idea’s.

Allow switching attunements while using them do something.
For example.

You have an ice bow in hand you use fire atunement you fire a shot that applies might in the area and deals some damage..

For water you apply regen and and chill in the area.
For Air you apply vul and decent single target damage.
Earth you chill and and do moderate aoe.

You can change the effects for each conjured weapon and you would atleast give the illusion of not locking our selfs out of 90% of our kit for an okay weapon, i know it would have issue’s with things like overload i’m not sure how to balance around that.

But the biggest issue is that the pay of of using them for 5 skills vs the 20 u have outside that just isn’t going to happen with decent players even if you aren’t going to use those options is best to have them and not need them and need them and not have them.

voidvector.2780:

Just a bunch of spoiled brats whining, because for 3 years the only class they play have been atop the DPS leader board unchallenged.

Except all the ones that pvp on eles.

Getting rid of any scratches of damage for ele’s that pvp or wvw the nerf to overlord air and fire really hurt us.

usnedward.9023:

I think the quote is being mis-read or maybe I am just reading it from a different perspective. Ele can dps, heal and survive all-in-one meaning they don’t want this to be the case. Ele in WvW is hard to kill built like this (not complaining as it is what it is) and I think they want this not to be a one slot build where you can have the best of all three worlds in one build.

Most professions you have to choose what you want to do. If you choose a little survivalability (not a real word but eh)you loose some dps. Glass cannon dps you gonna melt fast and so on. So imo they are focusing on an area where all three that makes one build and maybe force the player to choose one or two aspects and if you choose all three then you will fail at some point. BUT you have to include the rest of the paragraph to get a better context as not to possibly mislead so here it is:

“To this end, we are modifying the functionality for a few skills that unintentionally overperform against large hit-box targets, in addition to a select few damage reductions.”

Uh huh, what are you talking about now, Revs and Druids are better healers, Every class has better sustainability with out having to go full healing gear and change and entire spec for it. And no i didn’t stack it out of context that what the statement said your taking what you want from it.

Also there are no glass cannon ele’s in pvp wvw at all find me one i promise he’s either gets nothing done or he sucks and cannot comprehend that he sucks.

A nerf to overload air and fire made no sense because it was only viable for dps and at that for glass dps and at that in pve only AND AT THAT JUST RAIDS.

Every scenario clearly only means raids anyone can see this.

Overload nerf on ele pretty much nullified the conjure change.

“And finally, we’re looking to normalize damage for the elementalist so that it is not effectively the best-in-slot for damage, support, and survivability in all scenarios.”

-Mark Katzbach

All those dps Elementalist in Spvp and wvw i see.
Those revs who’s regen’s which is like a billion times better then ours.
Survivability, yep we have to point our entire gear set and spec into healing power to get that survivability.

I don’t PvE much on my Elementalist but im pretty sure this is absurd there too.

I’m a pvp’er too, its not a pvp friendly spec nor should it be. I play condition necro in pve and power in pvp personally. I think its fine to have specs that have a niche, and this game isn’t so rigid where you can’t take pvp specs in to pve.

You can do it in pve to pvp but you don’t mainly because you want to win. And generally what dictates our specs in pvp is the meta and current class balance, if we were in a condition heavy meta we would rune condition transfer all the time for example even if reaper builds were viable.

Just keep that in mind if you pvp, our balance is far more complex then pve or just looking at our tree of skills you have to look at the bigger picture.