Guild Wars 2

if you decide on s/p sigils of Rage and Agility combo very well

Used thief and scrapper (about 5 times when i had another thief on team) so proud of myself Q_Q was so hard to get up here on thief, especially since i only soloq xD

I think HoT kinda made it where you have to play DD, if you don’t have the new dodges you lack a lot of utility. Honestly feels a lot less skill based

Now that Ogre Rune has been removed anyone know which is the best constant DPS rune available now? Besides Scholar xD

Happy you haven’t been flamed, you’ll notice it more the higher you climb up Leagues, people tend to be more try hard. If you not meta you a “hindrance”

I think the only reason Caed and Toker did so well that tourny was because they were ignored… they’re both really good players though

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I’m having the same issue atm man, hopefully we get an answer XD

Karl McLain.5604:

For trait mods, we’d like to experiment with Weakening Strikes slightly, adding a secondary to it within its role of debilitation. Options we’re looking at it:

• Inflict X (torment, bleeding, something) when you weaken a foe.
  or
• Receive less damage from weakened foes.

Once again, thanks for your continued constructive feedback. It’s greatly appreciated.

-Karl

I like all the changes and i really appreciate you taking the time to talk to the thief community.

This is just a thought if you are looking for a way to make thieves more survivable i believe this could help

Weakening Strike Leach life from weakened foes or could give regeneration 5 or 6 seconds.

Not only does this give some survival to the thief by providing sustain instead of redundant damage mitigation which weakness already provides, but could be a small buff to damage as well if it was leaching. If you did choose leaching it could function as Sigil of Leaching or Sigil of Blood instead of percentage such as Invigorating Percision that way condition and power builds benefit in the same way. So it would basicly similar to both options you proposed, damage and sustain instead of damage or sustain

Bandits Defense

I mentioned this in another forum page, could we also make the knock back an option? Sometimes thieves wants to stay on the defensive and not be thrown back into offensive.

Thanks for listening Karl!

PvP is about running the most optimal build at the time of the meta, at least from what i have understood. If you run standard DA/TR/SA D/P i see no problem with thief in pvp, it has great survival and damage. Honestly i don’t see what more people could ask for in this weapon set.

If your complaining about lack of build diversity thats pretty much every class out there in pvp. This becomes about thief builds which aren’t stealth reliant being weak, not the class in general. I main S/P in wvw because i enjoy it and in pvp you will find me running the optimal build D/P.

I agree with most of what renncl and beyond b have said, please stop confusing the class as weak, but blame the real culprit lack of build diversity.

Besides making Bandits Defense 2seconds long could we by any chance make it where its a option if you want to use the knock back or not? Theres times where i just want the block not to be flinged back toward my opponent who might be bursting me

If it crit you would be hitting people for 6-8k, we’d be insta gibbing squichies left and right i believe this is the reason anet took the ability to crit away from mug

it was hitting a zerk mesmer for 3k-3.9k depending if they had protection or not… its not weak, its dmg is more then fair imo

I for one love Impacting Disruption!

As for my gripes with all the bugs everyone pretty much covered what i’ve noticed as well.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsaVn0MBdPhVOBmOBkmiFYCzLNcGaDzfwTYLULBEA2NA-TZBFABP8AAEvMQN7PswRAAgTBAA

Atm this was my build with runes and sigils being what i would run if could xD

I’ve mained S/P for 2 years so i was pretty ecstatic with some of these traits XD Impacting Distruption was easily my favorite trait, it synergized very well with my build but in 1vx or group fights its very hard to try to time interrupts since so many things are going on or people targeting you. S/P new meta! Jk just my meta <3

This is my opinion on the weapon sets d/p and s/p

D/P is more versatile of the 2 weapon sets, what keeps it on top of the meta. It has great dmg with back stab and its dmg mitigation lies in blinds and easy access to stealth. The easy access to stealth is what gives it a huge edge to S/P imo, it gives the thief a few moments to breath and reset the fight if the thief chooses while staying in combat.

S/P has greater cleave and utility, what has kept it out of the meta is its poor sustainability. Its lack of stealth forces the player to play aggressive and try to end the fight before its drawn out.

I am probably Biased toward s/p since it is my main build for WvW but i feel its more rewarding then when i play d/p in pvp.

Oh and as for the 3333 comments the only thief weapon set that i haven’t seen spam 3 is D/D :p so i don’t think anyone else has much room to talk

Volrath.1473:

did you see the stream? it deals a bit over 2k dmg… seriously? that’s is the MASSIVE amount of dmg stated in the tooltip?
something that is so hard to set up and proc deals such irrelevant dmg?

the utility is a block/knockback on a 10 second cd… thats pretty amzing imo the dmg is just a bonus, and for a trait to do 2k dmg with marauder amulet non crit thats amazing lol thief has plenty of interrupts available with pistol offhand hence why Perplexity runes were so broken for a while

If i saw the base dmg right its about the equivalent of a backstab… that would be ridiculously op on a crit just for interrupting someone.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Jesse.4631:

the dmg on the dodge will just help to reveal thieves imo (dodge in refuge to prevent knockback “revealed!”) its basicly last refuge all over again!

So don’t use it if stealth play is your thing?

stealth isn’t my thing i’m saying its counterproductive, people want to use it to blast their smoke fields but there’ll be times where it just serves to hinder you :p was more a opinion then a attack at the trait

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Plus, the base damage is already really good. Same reasons for Mug not being able to crit. Or Air sigil.

well i’m happy someone else understands this, seems to me that everyone just wants a major buff regardless of balance. It would just lead to QQ from other classes till we have a nerf across the board instead of the skill thats the problem

the dmg on the dodge will just help to reveal thieves imo (dodge in refuge to prevent knockback “revealed!”) its basicly last refuge all over again!

well considering if the trait has a cd on it a crit would be really op lol you’d just have people spamming head shot= op broken

i’ve mained s/p for a quite a while now and while i do think this buff will greatly help and bring more players to the weapon set i don’t see it surpassing d/p and s/d meta wise. The survival on this build is easily countered by range play so in 1v2s your usually at a huge disadvantage if anyone is ranging. honestly d/p will be able to proc the around the same amount of pulmonary impact as a s/p build

Please reply anet… we’ll do things other classes won’t do ;D

If we get Rifle i see us getting gadgets most likely, inc commando! Oh and for people pitching traps we already have them lol they just so bad no one uses them

Honestly i feel like the new specialization will be giving thief the rifle they wanted and probably base off all the traits by giving us more range which is probably where they moved the SB trait maybe

Well it all depends on what your play style is man, i tend to be aggressive and impatient so the longer the fight the more sloppy i get. If your cool headed and patient then acro can work for you. Although if you do stay acro S/P give 5/0/0/3/6 a try as well, the dmg is increased a bit more and i find Improve gives me more then the other 2 traits in acro.

This is my personal preference and opinion in case someone gets offended :p

I roam with s/p in wvw and from my experience acro isn’t very well suited for it, sure you’ll survive a lot more but the burst won’t be there

I use 2 current builds when roaming in wvw either 6/2/0/0/6 PS or 2/6/0/0/6 you can take either executioner or Invigorating precision depending on what you want (tend to take invigorating when solo roaming though)

I don’t recommend it in pvp though, while it does have quite a bit of utility it is hindered by the +1 initiate cost they added to it, which really adds up.

Well i like these changes >:3 seems to buff s/p a bit

I use s/p as my main while it is hard to survive at times you can apply immense pressure and the utility you can offer a group is amazing

itsOnno.7013:

hi guys, I’ve finally leveled my thief to 80 and I was looking in what armor and runes to buy. I want to run 2/6/0/0/6 with the enhanced steal and executioner trait, in wvw.
On my weapons I want the on crit effect of fire & air.
I’ve looked into sigil’s and it seemed like Superior sigil of the Pack, would fit. maybe any other suggestions?
Regarding the armor, I cannot decide wether to go with the beserker (power, precision/ferocity) or with the assasin (precision, power/ferocity). Does the extra precision synergise well enough with the fireblast and lightning strike to make up for the lost power? What do you recommend?

First what weapon sets are you using?

Kocoff.7582:

Also i am so glad Uploader didn’t run the usual 26006 like everybody, even in shadow traits she still managed to rek havoc. Don’t follow the flow, do what pleases you.

2/6/0/06 isn’t meta in wvw i think, very popular in pvp though, 2/0/6/0/6 is the most common wvw spec right now (condi or power)

XPGAMER.7324:

Too bad I can’t make a poll in here (At least I don’t think), but would 1v1 videos interest anyone? or should I start including some decent 1v1s in videos? Would be great to get some feedback

I’d be interested

T raw.4658:

I’m sooo bad at teef

ps who’s better OP or this Jesse dood. I needs halp on teef

Better isn’t a answer then can be given :p there is no best thief imo, on d/d i think Night Blade is by far miles better, i haven’t played the spec in months. S/D i would say amons better, D/P or P/D (to many thieves to name) and well i play s/p so i die a lot lol

XPGAMER.7324:

Booo guess we can’t do, i’m transferring there later this week lol guildies there

XPGAMER.7324:

Jesse.4631:

You’ve gotten a lot better at d/d man keep it up! Fun videos

Haha I remember a long time ago when we used to fight. Definitely one of the influences that made me what I am now, thank you so much for that <3

Haha thanks nice to feel appreciated, what server you end up on now :o

You’ve gotten a lot better at d/d man keep it up! Fun videos

This build is generally very fun and the amount of dmg it deals always brings a smile to my face
It’s a S/P 2/6/0/0/6 build
this is my dmg spec
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNBt9wbQE8OMfpMaFAA-TF0EABQ8AAYTHAiqE42hAIUlgMpEyEtALpUwJlEBcCA4QTQKq78kyEb2fQijAAAmgEA0C-w
This is what i use when condis are dominating wvw lel
Dmg is reduced a bit but you still have plenty
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNhs9kGR8O83yaFA-TF0EABQ8AAYTHwM7P42RAIUlgMpExJlCLpkIgTAAHaCSSZUKq7ohWAJOEAAYCaFVCIFwSKjA-w

Hope you try one of these builds

Brick Tamland.6507:

This guy’s build is bad, use my build.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNhs9kGR8O83yaFA-TF0EABQ8AAYTHwM7P42RAIUlgMpExJlCLpkIgTAAHaCSSZUKq7ohWAJOEAAYCaFVCIFwSKjA-w

Your build so much better!

Glad to see more s/p thieves! This is the build i run when there is to much condi in wvw, the dmg is still great and its usually more then enough!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsaVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNhs9kGR8O83yaFA-TF0EABQ8AAYTHwM7P42RAIUlgMpExJlCLpkIgTAAHaCSSZUKq7ohWAJOEAAYCaFVCIFwSKjA-w

johnpoc.8732:

Yup, I’m still getting the QQ. Running a p/d + s/d spec, killed this guy a few times. He was a bit mad lol

wtf i got a msg from the same guy lmao

Been getting called a perma stealth kitten a lot lately… i’m using s/p

Siva Mira.3546:

2 conditions on dodge is OP. It is more reasonable to drop it to Adept Tier and remove 1 condition on dodge with 10sec CD.

I wouldn’t mind it being moved up to Grandmaster Tier, i do agree that it being a Master trait would be over the top, but it having a chance to remove any condition would be a good buff to thieves who don’t trait into SA for condition removal

Just seems to me like these traits are mediocre, i have yet to see a build who uses this trait on thief (i don’t play ele or ranger so can’t say if these traits are used)

I don’t post much on the forums, but i noticed the other day warriors getting a change called ‘Brawler’s Recovery’ which now removes a single condition on weapon swap rather than just blind(5 sec cool down). I’d like to discuss if a similar change could occur to Fleet of Foot which removes Cripple and Weakness on dodge (10 sec cool down)

It would be a simple change and promote more people to experiment and use this trait. At the moment it is very lacking and situation. Instead of it just removing Cripple or Weakness we could have it remove any other condition as long as it is two at a time with the cool down remaining as it is.

Please discuss this in a manner that won’t get this thread over looked by the dev’s or closed <3

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

The trait line usually reserved for stealthless builds gets a GM trait that requires stealth.

Anet is straight-up trolling at this point.

Sorry this i beleive was more of a buff to s/d then to your p/p, i do agree your P/P needs some love though

Dinks.2478:

You know what, I decided I am no longer going to be negative, anet doesn’t care and I am just upsetting myself. Good luck to all servers. NSP, Let us do our best and try to get as high as we can in silver.

NO! Dinks don’t give up. Argue make some drama! Thats the way to go

insanemaniac.2456:

omg thread made it to page 2 without being locked

heres one of these Tankers now! L2P scrub!

I think its such bull that FC and DH are tanking. NSP is one of the most skilled player groups i’ve had the pleasure of fighting, imo you guys should tank and let these two servers get what they deserve.

I’ve played Amons build and D/P, from what i’ve learned D/P is easier simply cause of its ability to reset from any mistake committed. D/P in general should not lose to any x/D thief unless said thief is perplex condi (ewwwww).

I’ve fought Snuffles a few times with d/d and only way he really won was by out sustaining me and resetting fight. I used D/P vs him and it became a draw. This was when he was still in DH though he could of gotten a lot better.

Israel.7056:

We’ve already accepted the 5v5.

Great hope to see a video <3

Don’t know what all the arguing is about, lose some win some. You feel like you can do better ask for a 5v5.

tM is one of the most skillful guilds i’ve encountered to belittle there win is naive