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Anatomy of a Risen

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There are only two known cases of souls trapped in risen – Reza and the Keeper of the Shrine during Cathedral of Silence story mission. Both were powerful minions in their own right. We have not just Romke and his crew of about 5+ but also a vigil crusader in Mount Maelstrom that exist as ghosts while their bodies are out and about as risen, but all of them are weak risen.

Usually, when an undead has intelligence, it has retained its soul – this may or may not apply to risen and even other dragon minions as well – which would imply that Risen Knights may retain souls as after Zhaitan’s fall they seem to be the only intelligent risen left.

But as Aaron said, nothing is conclusive.

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So... Balthazar plot hole? (spoilers)

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And I never argued otherwise?

In fact, from the very beginning I was saying that the pentagram has no lore to it. “No lore” to something rather pivotal is pretty close if not the same as “poor storytelling”.

You were the one who assumed there was lore to it and kept insisting there was.

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Nitpicky here: the Forged

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Rather than being souls from Balthazar’s realm, the Herald of Balthazar’s lines make it clear that they are the souls of volunteers and victims of the Forged.

I do think Warforged would have been better. ArenaNet has a tendency to use generic words as names for groups or races (Dredge, Forgotten, Seers, Vigil, etc.) – sometimes even twice (Wardens). But it’s undoubtably too late to change it now.

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Reasoning with Kralkatorrik

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Remember, unlike all the other dragons, he’s not even actively making his minions; him merely flying over the land transformed it and any creature in his path.

Er, no. He created minions by breathing on the land while flying. He is actively making minions – all dragons are.

It’s made point blank clear in Edge of Destiny branded are made proactively too. Even in-game it’s made point blank clear (Sentinels become encased in crystal or struck by the Brandstorm and get infused by corrupting energies).

Something called him to Vabbi after being at Glint’s former lair for so long,

Now this is an interesting thought. While it could just be him relocating for more desert lands to conquer, thus having no particular reason for going to Vabbi itself, if something called him there… He landed at the Mirror of Lyss.

What makes this an interesting line of thought is that we left a dragon near there, 250 years ago. And as we see with Gleam, and Aurene, the Elder Dragons tend to be drawn to good, non-betraying, dragons (oddly, Primordus is the one who went after Gleam and Aurene, not Kralkatorrik).

However, drax may have a point too – Kralkatorrik could have gone to Vabbi because he decided he could try interacting with them, but thought he made too much damage in Ascalon. Over the 8 years he was in the Crystal Highlands, he might have come across Elonian refugees and decided to study this first-hand. But being an Elder Dragon he’s not exactly careful with his actions and movements. Would be an ironic twist if he went to Vabbi not to cause problems, but did so just by being “incomplete”.

I don’t see Kralkatorrik having a discussion with Palawa Joko (or anyone else) when he could instead just take it for himself. Neither Zhaitan nor Mordremoth gave any inclination that they were interested in peace, either, when they could just destroy any who would dare interfere.

The point drax makes is that Kralkatorrik has, so far, been unable to take it for himself.

I would disagree with the Zhaitan and Mordremoth statement. Rather than “not wanting peace”, they were more of the mentality of “if you oppose me, I’ll just have to kill you”. Mordremoth does offer the PC to join him a few times, more so if sylvari, he just wasn’t very convincing.

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Story mission combat designed as raids?

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Raid team is fully separate from the three Living World, Fractal, and Expansion (there is also a PvP team, a WvW team, and a Festivals team (who handled Current Events too)). While the teams communicate, they do not – as far as we know – ever overlap.

ArenaNet had long realized that they made the core game too easy. Players clamored for more challenging content, and hated the NPCs who died instantly. Their solution was to up the difficulty a bit (and yeah, it’s only a bit – this stuff is still way too easy, only when you’re going after achievements is any of it close to hard) and to make the NPCs immortal but lower their damage output so that players don’t have to constantly revive them but they cannot carry players either.

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the solution or the problem ? (spoiler)

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Yes, “the gods”. Without ever naming them specifically. It could have been Dhuum and whom Malchor had sculpted, rather than Grenth, for all we know. After all, Kormir got a “Malchor styled statue” in multiple places now too (DR and Ascalonian Catacombs primarily).

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Reasoning with Kralkatorrik

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Given the Edge of Destiny description, I do not think Kralkatorrik can be reasoned with. His mind and goal was practically described as greed personified, arguably with the goal of seeking perfection, and with the mentality of “if I cannot have it, no one can”. When you add that child-like tantrum mentality to a being of god-like capabilities, you get someone who will just shout “but I wanna, I wanna, I wanna!” when you tell them no.

Kralkatorrik was already “the hunted” in Edge of Destiny to top it off, and his reaction was simply “kill the annoying bug that can actually harm me, ignore the rest.”

If any Elder Dragon can be reasoned with, I would argue that it would be either Jormag, Mordremoth, or the fully unknown deep sea dragon.

I have this impression that the Crystal Dragon could be a very conceited entity. I would have thought that if consuming magic is your preoccupation and purpose in life, then Balthazar could be considered a particularly tasty morsel, and Kralkatorrik would relish taking him on (leading to the dragon’s destruction).

I want to note two things:

Fistly, the thought that “consuming magic is the Elder Dragons’ preoccupation and purpose in life” is ultimately false. It’s a misconception ArenaNet intentionally threw in – like the Elder Dragons being mindless forces of nature – to act as an unreliable narrator. Those are how the typical Tyrians view the Elder Dragons (well, typical Tyrians see them as forces of nature, typical studied Tyrians view them as magic balancers); but when you observe deeply enough, we see that consuming magic is just a side effect of their behavior – they have their own individual goals, unrelated to eating magic, but to achieve those goals they need power, and to gain power fastest they eat magic.

This is why they “balance” magic from one extreme (too much magic in the world) to too little (too little magic in the world) – they’re not actually trying to balance magic, they’re trying to soak in all the magic that they can so they could finally achieve their goals. Except the world’s magic ins’t big enough for the six of them, so that always resulted in them drying up their resources far too soon.

Second note: I wouldn’t be too fast to call Balthazar a “tasty morsel” for Elder Dragons. Primary reason being that he waded through an army of magic-consuming destroyers and stood in front of a magic-nomming Elder Dragon to set up his stolen machine. This isn’t even the first case of beings or magic being immune to dragon corruption, and every case (Foefire, Divine Torch, Forgotten magic, Bloodstones) can be tied directly or indirectly to divinity – either to the Six Gods, or to other, unknown, divine resources (specifically on the latter: the Bloodstone).

Some have suggested Kralkatorrik fathered Glint’s eggs (unverified).

While Gleam and Aurene both should have a role to play (we know there’s a Zephyrite village, we’ll be able to visit where Destiny’s Edge battled Kralkatorrik, and we are dealing with Kralkatorrik more directly ourselves so it would make sense they show up or at the very least get mentioned), I think this theory is full of bullocks.

Main reason being that Glint would not be the first dragon champion to create ‘eggs’ as a means of minion making without ever being pregnant – but more importantly, Glint said that once upon a time the world was ruled by dragons. On top of this, we see not one but two definite dragon species in the world, and one can argue for a few more (note about the second to last link: that miniature shares the same shape as Mordremoth, with the potential exception of short stubby legs but we see on the event icon for Mordremoth fight legs on the snake-like body – if the theory that all Elder Dragons were once normal dragons, then Mordremoth would have been a Mystical Dragon before gaining a lot more power).

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the solution or the problem ? (spoiler)

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A small comment on one point, I personally don’t believe it’s possible for malchor to be Grenth’s father, because grenth was already there when Malchor got personal with Dwayna

Not sure where you got that from. Was it DR’s statue of Grenth? If so, they changed the quote from Malchor to Desmina a long time ago (during Season 1).

This is an odd change because if Malchor did make that sculptor, why the need to change it? It would only need to be changed if it was contradicting canon lore. Which would mean that Malchor was not the one who made Grenth’s statue.

I mean, it was Dhuum and Balthazar’s father who were gods at tree time of coming to Tyria, right

Uhm, no. Not even close.

It’s Dwayna, Melandru, and Balthazar confirmed when coming to Tyria. Balthazar came to Tyria carrying his father’s head – we don’t know if said father was ever god or always mortal. Similarly, we do not know how long Dhuum was a god.

Though it is said that Grenth was the “first Tyrian-born god”, this is called into question as Lyssa’s origin is canonically unknown to humanity. The same could be said of Dhuum, as it seems that Abaddon’s own history – that he had supplanted a god – was hidden.

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the solution or the problem ? (spoiler)

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a. humans are aliens to this world brought here through the mists by the 6 gods
b. the 6 gods preceeded us taking dominion/reshaping of this world before we arrived
c. the 6 gods focused on humans while seeing native species as tools, nuisance or prey
d. humans multiplied like locaust and overpopulated gw1 until the rise of the dragons

Of these, only a is correct.

B is theoretically plausible however the Orrian History Scrolls make it out to sound like humans came to the world in the very same portal that Dwayna, Balthazar, and Melandru did. So that reshaping of the world “before humans arrived” would have had to be very, very fast or that portal open for ages.

C is definitely false – only Balthazar saw non-humans as less than humans. Melandru and Dwayna both preached for peace with natives. And even then, Balthazar saw them not as tools, but subjects to conquer and rule over.

D is pretty off too, though could be used as an exaggeration. It was not the rise of the dragons that led to humanity’s fall, but the events of GW1 (Searing, Cataclysm, Affliction, and Nightfall).

-snip points 1. through 8-

  1. I’m not sure where you got “copy of the first species”. Razah was a copy of humans, simple as that – no first or last or second or whatever involved. Best we know, The Mists created Razah after interacting with a human that it used as a template to base off of. All demons are like this, though most are very off the mark of what they’re a copy of (almost every Torment Demon in GW1 can be likened to a creature seen elsewhere in the game, I believe – from centaurs to ntouka birds). When Razah was created is 100% unknown but his dialogue makes it out to be quite some time.
  2. What’s canon is that they came from another world – beyond that is theory. We are told that something happened in the Mists that “only Abaddon knows”, that Lyssa helped a “them” (unclear if them refers to humans or the other gods though) forget something in the past, and we know that Dwayna brougt humans to Tyria (world) looking for a paradise. Humans are not creations from the Mists – not directly, at least. It should be noted that lore says that )everything+ comes from the Mists, that would mean the first human (the GW version of Adam and Eve basically) would have been made from the Mists. And same goes for every charr, asura, Elder Dragon, centaur, norn, kodan, etc. etc. Though the race may not directly come from the Mists, they’d evolve from another race as an offshoot, and that “another race” would have either done the same or come from the Mists.
  3. There’s only one such mural you refer to, and that was undoubtably meant to be an artistic rendering. Perhaps even created (as it was concept art before an in-game mural) because the looks and personifications of the gods was not yet set in stone during development. Every other mural you’ll see gives them a very human appearance, though with clear alterations that fit their associated domains.
  4. We’re not sure what those “ideal conditions” were. For all we know, it was “wait and see if Abaddon acts up again” just as much as it could have been “we need a human female with strong will and strong curiosity but knows to protect people from dangerous knowledge even if she looks into it and doesn’t let herself be changed by such knowledge.”
  5. Nothing says humans cannot interbreed with any native species, technically speaking. We only got confirmation about the five playable races not having interbreeding capabilities. That said, it would make sense for humans to be unable to breed with other species, given the whole “not from Tyria” situation. Dwayna having a son with – supposedly – Malchor could be tied to the fact she’s the goddess of life. What life can be denied to to the goddess of life. For all we know, she could screw a Forgotten, charr, and centaur at once and give birth to a chimera.
  6. I would not consider asura, giants, or ogres to have “predominant beast-like features”.
  7. Sure, if you discount all other bipedal primates in Tyria like giants, ogres, norn. Also, we technically do not know what race Lord Odran was – for all we know, he could have been Flame Legion. Though human is most likely scenario given his predominance in human history.
  8. The Six Gods actually – canonically – did not interfere with asura. We were told this in an old interview, when asked about how the asura reacted to magic being gifted (which was reponded with something along the lines of “they realized magic was raised for a brief time, but never knew who did such, how, or why”). The asura’s lack of predominance is due to their own lack of desire of surfacing.
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Living world is forever lock?

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Sorry, no. I see people referring to HoT as “DLC” — the terms aren’t used with a universal definition. I certainly had no idea what “Dragon’s Age: Origins” meant by DLC, since that was the first time I had seen the term. And I still feel the distinction is entirely arbitrary on the part of publisher — all content is downloadable to me, some of it is bundled and some of it isn’t, including stuff that can be labeled “DLC”.

On the first, most of those people are using it sarcastically – as noted by others above – in that HoT had very little content. It was, however, an expansion.

Regarding you knowing/not knowing what DLC meant when you first saw the term – that’s rather to be expected with anything in life. Common sense is, in fact, not common.

While it’s true that a little bit of research will uncover what ANet offers for free, what if includes in the the price of each expac, etc, I’m sure you’re aware that not everyone follows the fine print.

Those who do not read the “fine print” (in this case, is not very fine but rather bold) have only themselves to blame, and in no way hold any sway in complaints against ArenaNet.

Confused or not.

Asking “why” is not a problem, but the OP does not seem to be merely doing that. Few people who bring this up do.

1st of all. when i decided to bought HOT and POF expansion, i already research what content that locked, such as elite, mastery, revenant class and HoT maps… If you are new/return to GW2, how can you know to extent details that some story and maps are locked behind Living World expansion??

By reading the PoF FAQ?

That explicitly says what non-core content is and is not part of buying PoF. And it’s linked to on the official site.

2. If Anet include this in some package, like when i want to buy PoF anet include HoT in bundle of recommend with the explanation to it, maybe i will know there is another expansion that i need to buy.. so the decision was mine to buy or not. If not, how could i know there is some “hidden” old expansion… this is why i dare to say that was false ads, because when i bought that HoT&PoF i was smilling that i can play GW2 to the fullest!!

There actually is an “add to cart” section when you go to checkout, where you can add the other expansion, character slots, and, you guessed it, the full Season 2 – among more.

And you don’t even have to scroll down that much.

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Living world is forever lock?

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You realize that not everyone understands what you mean by “DLC” or “Expansion” — I certainly don’t. The entire game is downloadable and full of content, so why isn’t that all “downloadable content” aka DLC? And what is an expansion other than a bunch of DLCs bundled into a package for easier marketing?

If you play any game that has expansions or DLCs, you know the difference.

Expansions are basically half-games, while DLCs are even smaller. It’s like comparing flash fiction to short stories to novels (DLC to expansion to stand alone game respectively).

And there is no one who is not aware of this if they spend 10 minutes to look at it.

And of course, this is ignoring the fact that ArenaNet explicitly states that they’re selling Heart of Thorns and Path of Fire, not Season 2, Heart of Thorns, Season 3, and Path of Fire. And no “not knowing terminology” is going to make that confusing.

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Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

Lore Hide and Go Seek

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Here is a ‘brief’ list of all GW2W articles that have a GW1W counterpart

Should give a rough idea of the relation between the two games.

But there are hundreds of tied locations, NPCs, dialogue etc. between the two games. Perhaps most notable being Auric Basin having The Falls, Balthazar’s Rest, and Zinn’s Lab all three of which are locations in GW1; Flashpoint introduced not only Balthazar, but M.O.X., one of the heroes of GW1, and Livia and Ogden are both in both games as well. Noran mentioned by Maethor is not only grandson (iirc) of Aiden, but of Zho as well – his Black Moa pet being descended from Zho’s Black Moa pet.

Nicholas Sandford and professor Yakkington got multiple references – not only their graves in Ebonhawke, but a location in Frostgorge was named after Yakkington (Yakkington’s Trail – it is near where Nicholas found baby calf Yakkington), and in Snowden Drifts there is a Horas the Traveler (iirc the name right) with a dolyak who is following in Nicholas’ spiritual footsteps of traveling all over the place (well, in dialogue).

We see graves of the Ebon Falcon (Kieran Thackeray’s group – Kieran being Logan Thackeray’s ancestor) as well as Gwen Thackeray (Logan’s ancestor and wife to Kieran) in Ebonhawke too.

One of the bloodstone dust gobblers, Herta, is the head of an Exalted who seems to be the very same Herta henchmen from GW1.

We see ruins of Ascalon City, Lion’s Arch, Henge of Denravi, and Droknar’s Forge (four of the five major towns in Prophecies) in GW2 as well – PoF will bring not just the ruins but the rebuilt Amnoon Oasis town too (in a manner akin to Lion’s Arch – sunken ruins, new city of same name on shoreline).

etc. etc. etc.

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typo or retcon?

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You’re likely referring to the History of Tyria document from the Prophecies manual (or something referencing off of that). That has been proven to have fallen to the unreliable narrator since, well, release really but even more so with Nightfall and GW2. It’s basically “what humans believed”, with the gods creating the world, rather than “what happened”, which is that they arrived from another world with humans (and likely Forgotten) in tow.

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Rytlock, Glint, Kralkatorrik, Balthazar

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I don’t have EoD on me atm, but I think Rytlock took the spear with him. I doubt that the Spear is the only thing that can kill Kralkatorrik – it was a spear made from his own spines so it’s probably more a case of “his unique weakness is his own strength” like Mordremoth with his mind. This means any strong enough material would be able to pierce him, particularly strong materials made out of the same thing as his corruption.

While it’d be a nice nod for that spear killing a dragon champion to be the one Rytlock had, the description from what I recall was fairly different (Rytlock complained about the spear being hard to use and being poor at killing Branded, while the one in the cinematic which was long but thin and easily killed that dragon).

Caithe was never betraying us, btw. This was poor writing melodrama – sylvari are turning traitor, we don’t know which sylvari to trust, omg Caithe is acting mysteriously she must have turned oh wait no she didn’t she was just acting how she always has (which is why Logan was 100% non-chalant about her taking the egg when we told him in S2E8).

Whether Rytlock met Balthazar in the Mists or not – it’s a possibility, but he’s no traitor, we can be sure of that. He is, after all, a charr. But Sohothin is undoubtably going to play a big role in PoF as it got a retroactive model update from this appearance to this appearance.

Last time I recall models getting retroactively updated was the Losaru centaurs in Prophecies being upgraded to match the Velderunners of Nightfall.

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Living world is forever lock?

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“I bought two expansions expecting to be getting two expansions and 14 DLCs. WTF I hate you!”

That is literally the OP.

The Living World is DLC that is temporarily free for those playing the game. Nowhere ever does Anet ever proclaim that the Living World Seasons are packaged with the expansions.

Now, while I can find arguments for why they should be packaged with the expansions, they aren’t nor ever said to be. When you buy the expansions, you’re buying just the expansions, as is said. The LW are DLCs that are separate from the expansions (but in S3’s case, require owning HoT too).

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typo or retcon?

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Waitwaitwait.. i grew up believing the gods guided mankind from a different world to tyria because something went horribly wrong there..

Thats all wrong???

My life is a lie

Nothing has yet to indicate that theory is wrong. We know humans are not native to the world. The article only talks about when they first arrived on continental Cantha, not world Tyria. We still don’t know when they or the Six arrived on the world.

Given our lore, it’s likely sometime between 1769 BE (when Forgotten arrived) and 786 BE (first known-to-players record of humans on the world).

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PoF Centaurs?

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Dear ANet writers,
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So... Balthazar plot hole? (spoilers)

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Given the wording, I took his knowledge of Taimi’s machine being due to either spies (he did have Inquest working for him at that point, after all) or word of mouth getting out that the Pact Commander, slayer of two Elder Dragons, is working with a genius asura to build a device that could kill two Elder Dragons (that kind of thing would get around fairly easily, when Taimi is dealing with dozens of asura as part of a krewe).

Him knowing about Taimi’s machine doesn’t seem as out of place as his ability to so perfectly infiltrate the White Mantle and impersonate Lazarus.

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So... Balthazar plot hole? (spoilers)

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Is he next to such a gateway in Foundry? Because the Foundry seems to be the place where he lives. Even when Abaddon died he stays there and takes on a new master. I dont know if you can know from within if the way outside is blocked or doesnt exist anymore.

The Door led to the Foundary, we’re explicitly told by NPCs, so yes he is right next to there.

The Foundry wasn’t his home – it was his prison turned base of operations. And it was his base of operations because of the Door of Komalie.

But yeah the point was that Balthazar seemed to have arrived after (I cant be sure) Primordus moved there, and if he had any notion of it he might felt himself to be too weak to go there. Which is a big IF.

The thing is that we know he arrived before Primordus moved, as Primordus moved after Episode 1, and Balthazar had been manipulating Bauer for weeks if not months before then.

Why he went to the Bloodstone Fen to me feels like he knew where it was somehow. Especially since he seemed to have it planned out to appear a mursaat and absorb its magic. All of which needs a great deal of scheming and carefull planning, without any knowledge like you claim. (could be he found out afterwards after getting back in touch with Tyria I suppose) I think that does indicate he had some clue of what he was doing.

Which is rather my point. He “somehow knew” but there’s no reason presented for why or how he could know. Everything he exploited were things that happened after he left the world, and most of that was even after the avatars stopped showing up in the world.

It happened, but there’s basis for it happening. It’s a big plot hole. -points to thread title-

To be fair, that was after absorbing the bloodstone. We dont know how weak, weak is here. Its mostly that we know that because he considers himself weaker. For all we know he could be still way powerful in his weakened state. But then why hide your identity is the question. It could also be because fire is his element, that he has some natural resistance against Primordus. So yeah maybe he doesn’t need all that and couldve gone to the Bloodstone in the caldera.

There’s too many questions to explain it all. I hope we find out part of it in PoF or LW4

Well, he was weak enough he couldn’t kill Marjory. I think if he was unable to kill Marjory, then he’d be unable to take on an Elder Dragon head to head.

This implies that even having lost his divinity, he is somehow immune to dragon consumption (which would have nothing to do with Primordus being the Elder Fire Dragon). There’s a lot of evidence pointing to “divine magic” being immune to dragon consumption and corruption (Divine Torch, Foefire, Forgotten magic), so that’s likely why.

But all the same, Primordus was not at the Ring of Fire when Balthazar showed up as Lazarus, let alone when he arrived on the world. So even if he was as weak as a normal human being, all the while still immune to dragon corruption, he could have gone to the no-dragon-minions-around Ring of Fire Bloodstone and taken in that magic.

Unless there’s a reason he didn’t want to drain that particular Bloodstone.

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Why? The springer mount

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Well, we are aware that a large number of rangers can tame a horde of animals on short notice. So taming them into mounts wouldn’t be too large a stretch.

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typo or retcon?

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Nothing ever proclaimed Cantha as the first human nation. Rather, it’s just the oldest human nation that players have ever been aware of. An Empire Divided which came out with Factions’ release, says:

Even in Tyria, we humans have forgotten where we came from…literally. All that is known of the origin of the Tyrian human race is that our species appeared more than 1,200 years ago on the northern continent. Humans settled Cantha even earlier, however, and appear to have done so on multiple occasions during what Canthans call the Late Pre-Imperial Era. Even less is known about the origin of the Luxon and Kurzick peoples, who arrived on the continent after the tribes that would become modern Canthans settled the northwest coast and Shing Jea Island. The humans of Cantha may have actually originated on Shing Jea, though this has never been proven.

[…]

What is also clear, and requires no interpretation on my part, is that the Canthan people rapidly advanced and unified, while the Kurzicks and Luxons, whatever their origins, did not become true nations until much later. This left the Canthans in the dominant political and military position, which they would hold for the rest of the continent’s history.

Which while not outright saying, heavily implies that humans came from somewhere else first – but “if they came from Cantha, it would be form Shing Jea”. It should be noted that Shing Jea was tengu territory primarily, and humans spreading into Shing Jea is what sparked the Tengu Wars, so that conclusion is unlikely. This is furthered by a second quote:

Luxon children still hear stories of their people’s original home, a nameless
place far across the open ocean and lost now to the land-bound faction, seemingly forever. Some historians believe that new discoveries point to a Luxon presence in the Crystal Desert more than a thousand years ago, but just as many believe this to be a misinterpretation of the evidence.

This shows that Luxons – thus likely all humans given the short timespan for Luxons to show up in Cantha after those on the northern shoreline – came from another continent before Cantha.

The bit about the Crystal Desert is likely a mistaken (in lore) reference to Margonites, known to have sailed the Crystal Sea and both cultures being seafaring nations.

In addition to this: between Eye of the North’s release and GW2’s release, we had an interview by Kill Ten Rats with Jeff Grubb where he confirmed outright that humans came to Cantha from somewhere else, with him hinting that such a “homeland” may have been “south of Cantha or Elona” (though where humans arrived on Cantha would imply north of Cantha and our GW2 world map shows Cantha as the southernmost land so either they changed their mind mid-development or he gave us a red-herring by listing Cantha).

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Konig Des Todes.2086

I can’t remember the Door of Komalie being opened or being relevant after we killed the lich on it. Also I didn’t mean destroyed, that would indeed be strange, especially considering the other parts surviving a flight after an eruption. I wouldn’t rule it out being flying out of the volcano, although as you say, unlikely. Ofcourse if the Door of Komalie still exists, or needs to exist then maybe not.

What I meant was that it could be buried under the mountain. The landscape has changed a great deal in the ring of fire, due to the volcanic activity there (and Primordus). And being close to Primordus might also not be a great place for a weakened God. That is, if he knew about that.

Based on Relkyss the Broken’s dialogue the Fury had been waiting for the Door of Komalie to open to send his Titan forces through. Even after the events of Prophecies, the Fury was still stationed on the other side of the Door of Komalie, even after invading the Dragon Festival he went back to that spot.

If the Door had opened, he would no doubt had taken advantage of such.

Primordus only showed up in the Ring of Fire literally in 1328/1329 AE. We tracked its movement as it moved. Before Balthazar even pretended to be Lazarus. Furthermore, we see Abaddon’s Mouth still visible in the world map, so that caldera hasn’t been buried or become inert.

Further, it doesn’t seem like Balthazar is at all influenced by proximity to Elder Dragons. While still weak, he went through a horde of destroyers and went face to face against Primordus long enough to activate Taimi’s Machine, without any tear for wear.

Why do you keep up bringing the “rule of cool”?

They added the pentagram, despite any logical reason for it being there, to set up the lazarus “ritual” because they thought it looked cool.

Whether you thought it “looked cool” or not is irrelevant to the fact they did and created such despite logical deduction in lore.

It ain’t that hard to comprehend.

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The tour guide only says the latest refugees, not the first. Meaning that refugees stopped showing up in 1275 AE.

I never saw any dialogue to imply that Joko’s reign began any later than what the Movement claimed, being 1135 AE. It was always, as far as I saw, that there was ~140 years of periodic refugees showing up.

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Well, I guess you’re willing to swallow excuses for a ramshackle story. I’m not.

Not “swallowing” anything.

If you cannot accept that something is done for rule of cool and not for some hidden lore purposes, and accept such “hidden lore purposes” (that do not exist) as fact, that’s simply not canon. That’s fanon.

That design isn’t a “Lazarus Resurrection Chamber”, there is no such thing. If you cannot accept that, then you’re the one not willing to accept it is a – as you put it – ‘ramshackle story.’

Kormir however, communicates directly through her Avatar, and only later a Seer of Truth. Which to me tells me that the gods did have alot of indirect ways of gaining knowledge about the current state of things. But yeah, most other Avatars seem to be more someone in place to acts as a messenger I guess. I blame the wiki for being rather confusing then.

The Seer of Truth never speaks as Kormir. The Avatar of Kormir is a bit odd, in that it looks just like Kormir so that probably is an avatar in the meaning of a physical manifestation, rather than the meaning of a speaker for a higher being like the others. Which would make sense as it appears before Kormir would have the chance to employ others to work for her.

I mean this discussion we’re having sparked of you disagreeing that Balthazar couldn’t possibly know where the bloodstone is. Unless ofcourse, for all we know he has a way to directly track them.

More accurately, it’s because we have no reason to believe he did know. Gods are not omnipotent nor omniscient, and their avatars were not all over the place. When they did show up, it was in limited situations, when called upon by mortals, and always at the gods’ statues. When they did show up, the avatars never asked “so, what’s going on in the world?”

The one time we see avatars show up outside of this is when they’re bringing souls to the Mists, or during Wintersday.

Given this, there’s no reason to believe that the avatars did know, or cared to know, what was going on in the world. Their knowledge may have been limited to prayers asking for help in x topic, which would naturally include world changing events like the Searing, but wouldn’t involve specifics like where a bloodstone landed more than likely.

The posssibility is there, but we have no firm reason to believe such.

I’m not questioning that they probably didn’t have deep knowledge of the mursaat and the white mantle. For Balthazar it’s only important to know where the bloodstone is. He most definitely must have heard about the white mantle, and the mursaat, If the Flameseeker Prophecies, (with the lich, Vizier Kihlbron, Mister Arah himself, also tied to Abaddon) are of any concern to them. Not to mention all the conflicts of the humans at some point must be of some minor interest of the “God of War”.

It’s more than that. He needed to know what mursaat looked like so he could impersonate him, as well as things like Lazarus’ name and state of being, what the White Mantle were doing, and so forth.

His actions require a lot of information before he could pop in as Lazarus. And we have no clue how he got that information.

If he has a mirror that can make him appear as a mursaat. Then a low ranking White mantle or even a working slave doesn’t sound that complicated. At least that’s what I was thinking. While not knowing the intricate details of things going on, he could easily observe what is happening with the bloodstone now. And thus form a plan on the spot, by impersonating a white mantle recruit or what not, to gain closer access to it.

The bloodstone in the ring of fire islands might not even be there anymore since after we killed the Lich on it the volcano erupted again, most likely making it either very inaccessible to get to, or some place else entirely. (Unless I missed something)

On the mirror: We don’t even know how it works. Who’s to say it can be used for multiple illusions or the like? And even then, how would Balthazar know how to look, act, etc. as a White Mantle or why would he risk being a slave? Too many unknowns.

About the Ring of Fire Bloodstone: Given that a Bloodstone’s destruction results in half of Central Tyria being wiped out, we can be sure that it didn’t get destroyed. We also know it has to be at that location because not only was it embedded in the ground that time, but it had to exist to power the Door of Komalie until Nightfall at the earliest, so it wasn’t destroyed in that volcano eruption (why would it be, when the Bloodstones existed there in the lava for centuries?).

To me it didn’t seem like he has much interest in Politics and intricate plans. and more, Either you’re with me or you’re against me.

His actions as Lazarus is 100% “politics and intricate plans” though.

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Konig Des Todes.2086

Anet changed the system

Anet has never made that clear and when I played I was someone who was avid on staying up to date. So you can surely empathise and see how annoying that is,

Normally, when Anet offers something for free, it will show a 0 gems. LS2 or 3 never did that, a least they didn’t before my break from the game. Which means that if they do that now it was added after I was away from the game.

In other words the system changed. What used to be free, is now free for a limited time.

It never functioned like that and was always free for 2 weeks during Season 2 as we were told, and was free “until the next release” during Season 3, again as we were told.

We were also told – and it happened – that Living World releases unlocked automatically. No need to go to the story journal or gemstore and hit that Buy For 0 Gems button because it didn’t exist. This, too, was told to us and never new.

What they did change after releasing permanent LW releases – the timeframe between releases and period for getting releases for free (which increased in both cases) – we were told about on the official guildwars2.com website. That, and that Season 3 required owning HoT to play (but not to “bank” releases), but that too was told to us (see above link).

If you weren’t paying attention, that’s on you not ArenaNet. It was always free for a limited time.

Using your metaphor…

To use your metaphor, I ordered a burger, you/Anet gave me a meat pattie, yes, the most expensive and important part of the burger, but….

When I said. “Where is the rest?”

Your response is, “Well, the rest is extra. We only offered complete burgers for a limited time, if you missed it, thats your problem.”

Compare this with any other MMO/burger shop. No one else does it like that. It’s abnormal. So to expect people to say, “Oh thats alright, they gotta make money somehow,” is just being a bit silly and naive.

Comparing buying an expansion with the Living World is not how you put it.

It would be buying a burger and getting a burger, but on occasion they go “show up in the store and get a free drink just for showing up! Limited time only. If you show up late, you’ll have to buy the drink.”

If you’re going to use metaphores, do it properly.

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Konig Des Todes.2086

But since we’re on the topic of inconsistencies….

Year 0 BE: The New Age Begins With a Bang
[…]
Once Abaddon is imprisoned, the Forgotten—a mysterious race of advanced snakefolk who have allied with the gods—serve as Abaddon’s jailers to prevent him from doing any more damage.

Compare this to the timeline of the GW:N Manuscript, p.18

174 AE: Serpents (The Forgotten) leave the world of men, settling in the Crystal Desert.

I suppose we could work around this inconsistency by saying that in the year 0 BE, some of the Forgotten begin working as Abaddon’s jailers as part of their alliance with the gods but it isn’t until 174 AE that they “leave the world of men” en masse and settle in the Crystal Desert to join the ones who were already there guarding Abaddon’s prison.

That article doesn’t state all Forgotten left to be wardens. This is neither new nor a retcon. Similarly, the timeline quote you present is talking about the Forgotten leaving the human nation boundaries (Kryta, Orr, Tarnished Coast, etc.) and settling the desert.

There were three events for the Forgotten making mass exoduses: First, when they went to serve Glint. Second, when they went to act as Abaddon’s wardens. Third, when they fully withdrew from civilized Tyria. The first two were large populations, but never the whole Forgotten population.

Next point:

452 AE: There’s a Nasty Bug Going Around
[…]
Though the plague subsides in 456 AE, the suffering it causes ends the Primeval Dynasty, kicking off nearly 200 years of civil war, pretender kings, and lawlessness.

Again, compare this to the Nightfall manuscript:

452 AE: Scarab Plague sweeps through Elona, decimates the population, and wipes out the Royal House. Istan abandoned. End of the Primeval Kings.
456 AE: End of the Plague Years. Admun Kolos takes the throne, founding the Great Dynasty.
583 AE: Collapse of the Great Dynasty. Start of the Pretender Wars and the Shattered Dynasty Era.
640 AE: Last of the Shattered Dynasties collapse. Elona emerges as three allied provinces—Kourna, Istan, and Vabbi.

So really, it’s unfair to describe those 200 years of history as “nearly 200 years of civil war, pretender kings, and lawlessness.” There was Admun Kolos who started the Great Dynasty that ruled for 127 years. The Shattered Dynasties Era only lasted 57 years, so I think that it’s a gross oversimplication of Elonian history to lump them all together in that way. I’m sure Admun Kolos’s dynasty did a good job of holding the kingdom together for the most part if historians later referred to it as the “Great” dynasty.

Moving on, though.

Rather than a retcon, this seems more like “oversimplifying”. They couldn’t have had the article too long after all. And we don’t really know much about Admun Kolos’ reign and how lawful and civilized it was. Many Elonians could easily consider him to be “the first Pretender” depending on how they feel about his family’s reign.

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Konig Des Todes.2086

Typo or retcon? Neither.

As said, it’s always been established that humans arrived on Cantha in 786 BE. This is not new.

That said, the timeline article does not state that this was the first place humans or the gods ever landed on the world. It states that 786 BE is when they first arrived on Cantha. Big difference.

Basically, best we know the timeline is such:

Date Unknown: Six Gods arrived in Orr via portal, brought humans.
Date Unknown2: Gods took humans elsewhere, likely via portal.
786 BE: Humans arrived on northern shores of Cantha.
200 BE: Humans arrived on shores of Orr and Elona.

There was multiple dialogues and interviews that implies the humans of Cantha came from somewhere else in the world. Where that “somewhere” was, was always left unknown – an interview by Kill Ten Rats with Jeff Grubb had him saying that it was “maybe south of Cantha or Elona”. But the world map of Tyria found in the Durmand Priory shores does have odd trade routes made between the Battle Isles and the continent far west – dubbed “Sunrise Crest.” My theory is that the Sunrise Crest is where humans were taken to after Orr by the gods, and they sailed to the Battle Isles, then later to Cantha and Orr/Elona.

Of course this article puts a slight kink in that theory – apparently, the six gods brought humanity to Cantha, they didn’t sail there unlike how An Empire Divided and other lore implies it to be.

There are typos and retcons – Joko’s date for conquering Elona was previously 1135 (60 years after Nightfall) but is now 1175 (100 years after Nightfall), and there is al ine about the Primeval Kings lasting for 250 years when it was 650 years (well 653 years). And as mentioned, the Six Gods “bringing humanity with them” to Cantha is… not exactly a retcon, but counteracts implications created ages ago.

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So... Balthazar plot hole? (spoilers)

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Konig Des Todes.2086

I just read up on the avatars on the original Guild wars wiki. While this may or may not be correct, it seemed to me the avatars are more akin to physical projections of the gods, rather than their own entities.
-snip-
But if you’re correct and the the avatars are their own entities, there’s indeed no proof that the avatars told any of it. Though just as much as there’s no proof that they didn’t. -snip-

100% definitely not. We meet the – or rather, a – avatar of Grenth, also one of the Seven Reapers. The Seven Reapers were seven mortal individuals who helped Grenth overthrow Dhuum, and were in turn elevated and acted as his avatars since.

Especially why even have the avatars to communicate with us after the exodus if there’s zero interest at all in the world after they left it. That makes no sense to me.

We were told in various interviews they kept communication until Nightfall because they were not sure that humans could stand on their own. It was less “what’s going on in Tyria?” and more parents telling their children after said kids move out to live on their own “if you need anything, just call”.

Further, we were told that their primary interest beyond that was simply Abaddon. They knew he’d return eventually, and that he would need to be dealt with. With his death, they knew humans could stand on their own, and had no more ties to connect them to Tyria.

They might have been interested in events like the Cataclysm, Searing, Jade Wind, etc. all of which directly or indirectly deal with Abaddon, but less so about the White Mantle or their “Unseen Gods” or what such ‘gods’ look like. I’d imagine if the avatars heard of the Unseen Ones, the Five would have just facepalmed and not inquired further. Granted that’s a bit speculative, but it is going off of what we know.

Whatever knowledge Balthazar had of the White Mantle and mursaat likely came from research after returning – and how he got such is questionable. Even if he learned a good deal of the events happening from his avatars, the gods’ avatars all ceased to show up in Tyria shortly after Nightfall (the last canonical appearance known before GW2 was at Wintersday with the avatars of Grenth and Dwayna).

Seems to me he doesn’t care about gathering a large following, and just cares the easiest least complicated way of regaining power. Why deal with all the extra trouble of revealing yourself to all humans to then get debated about how real you are extra questions about the other gods etc. That doesn’t seem to be in his interest at all. I bet to him it’s more akin to finding his power supplies in the back of is basement, where he ignores every other tool and goes straight to it. Bloodstone Fen is the most accessible one, and has a crew there ready. I wouldn’t put it beyond him he initially posed as white mantle as well.

Learning about the dragons is way more likely to have come late, because none of that seemed to be happening during the time the gods were here, and left again. Not knowing anything about that, he’d have to come to us. Then again, it could be possible he even knew about the Elder Dragons.

On “dealing with questions” bit – he doesn’t even bother with the questions now, by all indication, so why would he have then? He also clearly wants some sort of mortal army, else he wouldn’t have hired mercenaries.

As to “initially posed as White Mantle as well” – that just adds onto the questions really. How did he do such? The White Mantle were a secret organization who by all appearances died out when the avatars/gods ceased contact. By all rights, he shouldn’t know they existed unless he did indeed have some omniscience of some sort (which by all indication, he and the other gods don’t, except arguably Kormir/Abaddon). If he didn’t know the modern state of the dragons, how could he know the modern state of the White Mantle and the experiments on the Bloodstone? If he didn’t know, why go after the most likely contested Bloodstone rather than the one in the Ring of Fire (which happens to be where he left all five Bloodstones)?

I thought he just tries to recruit us because we have alot of power and knowledge to deal with this dragon business. Not because he actually cares about us. We’d just be another tool for his goal. Not so he would have another “ally” and “Let’s be friends.” at all. But that may just have been me.

The forged could indeed be akin to the Shiro’Ken, But I was thinking more of the Son’s of Svanir. Who also are not entirely in control of their actions. He did just absorb a great deal of Jormag’s and Primordus’ power. It might not be related at all ofcourse, especially as Menzies has something similar his Shadow Army.

I’m not saying he’s wanting us to be friends, per se. But it’s clear he doesn’t want us as an enemy if he can help it. And if that would mean finding a way to gain power without destroying Tyria, then doing such would be worth having one powerful ally more and one powerful enemy less.

The Sons of Svanir are in control of their actions. They are not corrupted, unlike dragon minions, and still retain their free will until they do become corrupted. We at various points in events see various “repentant” Sons of Svanir who leave. Though one does mention hearing Jormag still and needing to resist Jormag’s power (the most notable one, at that).

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Konig Des Todes.2086

I’m not mistaking anything for anything. Mechanics trump lore every time, because mechanics are what we see with our own eyes.

Most definitely no. Otherwise you have dozens of contradictions throughout games. Because suddenly no one was capable of jumping 250 years ago. And events across the world repeat again, and again, and again, and again.

Have I ever told you the time I killed Drakin Cinderspire? I did. About five hundred times.

Except no such thing as resurrection exists in the world anymore.

Surely the fight could’ve been triggered through dialogue with Kerida, if you want to argue mechanics.

And they could have had Livia place the objects herself, but then there’s the rule of cool that exists – they wanted to put a design in the room. So they did. Simple as that.

And I was told that by a dev. I asked Linsey Murdock a few questions on release day, one of which was the pentagram. She said “there is no lore explanation” for it being there. They just wanted to put it there.

As unfortunate as it is that there was no lore for the design, that’s what it is. Besides, it would be completely nonsensical for that pentagram to be directly tied to the “Lazarus Resurrection Ritual”. And besides all of that, here’s a question for you:

If the aspects required a pentagram design for revival, why is there no such design in the Temple of Awakening where the White Mantle were planning on reviving Lazarus?

Also, why did Balthazar put the one aspect on a pedestal?

Because the pedestal was there?

If you’re taking a place for safe keeping, are you doing to put it on an empty spot that it waist high, or are you just going to toss in on the ground? If you have to pick it up later, it’s easier to pick it up from a waist high height rather than off the floor.

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Konig Des Todes.2086

There was interaction between the Gods and the humans in Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall.

No. there was interaction between humans and the gods’ avatars. there is a distinct difference. Even when beseeching the gods in Nightfall before confronting Abaddon, it was only avatars that showed.

And there’s no reason to believe that “the way things transpired” had ever concerned them beyond Abaddon’s own actions, let alone that they were told by their avatars or their avatars were told.

After all, at the time, two of the gods (including Balthazar) were busy with Menzies and Dhuum.

Besides that, if he did know about the mursaat and White Mantle long before arriving, he would know that disguising as Lazarus long term would bite him in the kitten So why did he not simply drop the disguise when there was literally zero risk of those he wanted to fool finding out?

Hell, we don’t even know why he bothered with the Lazarus disguise rather than just show up as himself in the middle of Divinity’s Rest – he doesn’t need to be supremely powerful to pull off a fancy display and have a booming voice (if Jennah can do that, so should weakened Balthazar be capable).

Well, that’s just from our perspective. I was trying to see it from Balthazar’s perspective. He doesn’t care about our goals, or our world. There’s no need to drop the disguise if it gets him what he wants upto that point. Even when we dropped his disguise he could’ve reacted reasonable, if he was actually reasonable.

He did lock the asura gate and came with entourage, basically ready for battle to get to the machine one way or another. No one was able to leave, so I doubt his intentions were to talk about it, regardless of what we did there.


Other than that I wonder if taking in all that dragon magic might not simply mean that the forged are his form of corrupted minions. It seemed very similar in the first instance in PoF

He might not care about our goals, but even in PoF he tries to recruit the Pact Commander to his cause. He wants us as an ally, even after we instigated a fight with him and ruined his initial plans.

He came ready for battle, but that doesn’t mean he came with the intent to fight. As shown in the PoF demo, he even now offers alliance just as he did when he first talked to the Pact Commander. He likely came ready for battle because 1) we were instantly hostile to him during Dragon Vigil (which is partially his own fault for keeping the disguise), 2) the Pact Commander left him out of the loop while wanting to know everything he did, a bit unfair for an alliance. The small army and the asura gate override was likely just precautionary measures rather than a declaration of war.

The Forged are “living armor” – they seem to be the same as Shiro’Ken from Factions based on dialogue. Those killed are used to make new Forged, which are metal beings, and they are aware but unable to control their actions just like the Shiro’Ken. One of the many reasons why Balthazar is by all appearances so far just a rehash of Abaddon’s plot.

Just change “kill Elder Dragons to regain power” with “break out of prison to regain power” and then “war and fire” with “knowledge and water” and you pretty much have a remake.

They did need to be placed on the 5 pedestals, regardless of what Livia stated. They were pretty much nearby each other after Livia dumped 4 of them on the floor, and nothing happened.

You’re mistaking mechanics for lore.

Having players put them on pedestals had served two purposes:

First, giving players time to adjust their builds if they needed or wanted, and allowing them to act as the trigger for the fight rather than the fight triggering for its own reason. This is pretty 101 in game design, especially for RPGs – unless the purpose of the fight is to act as an unexpected ambush, you want to give your players a chance to prep for it.

Second, it acts as a stalling device, to let the dialogue roll out. No matter how fast a player is, they still take time to move all four aspects to a location.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was also a factor of “rule of cool” playing in, that the pentagram was there because it looked better than a barren room.

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Konig Des Todes.2086

What we know from the last episode of LS3 is that Balthazar plundered the reliquaries. The other gods didn’t give him anything – he took their relics.

We know what he did with the mirror of Lyssa.

My guess would be that’s a) not at all the ONLY relic he stole, and b) we’re going to find out what those other relics are in quite probably the most unpleasant possible ways. But it doesn’t seem improbable to guess that at least one of them lets him learn the secrets of others. I mean…Abbadon, (Or would it now be Kormir?)

Eh, not really.

Yes, he did go to the reliquaries, but the ghosts only mention him going to Abaddon’s and his own.

Furthermore, he brought his mercenaries with him, which means he went there post-Episode 1 (probably post Episode 2). He already had the Lazarus disguise, he had the mirror. He did not get the mirror from Lyssa’s Reliquary – we don’t even have reason to believe he went to Lyssa’s reliquary (or Dwayna’s, or Grenth’s, and we know he didn’t go to Melandru’s since he simply “passed by” Melandru’s according to Reza and Dagonet).

Since the gods knew about the bloodstones, why wouldn’t Balthazar go to a Bloodstone in the first place. It’s just a matter of reconnaissance and forming a plan to get the magic one way or another.

Because the locations of the Bloodstones changed centuries after Balthazar left the world in the Exodus.

So first he’d have to investigate where the Bloodstones are, of which three locations are known (to players, the other two may or may not be known by Tyrians). Then he’d have to learn about that “strange cult” that’s at one of the Bloodstones, deciding to go after that particular one instead of the Ring of Fire Bloodstone which is still at the location where the gods left all five bloodstones.

Then he’d need to know who mursaat were and what they looked like – they were long gone from the world when the Six arrived, by all indication, and there was likely never any interaction between the two groups.

Balthazar then just kept on his disguise, even though it wasn’t needed. It gave him access to many followers to do his bidding, many white mantle and a network of informants. He was gathering an army, and as Lazarus and under the pretense to battle the dragons why not keep that disguise. Being the God Balthazar would probably come with alot of more annoying questions, “Why did you return” “Why now?” plus as many forum goers already prove themselves “Why were you Lazarus in the first place?” If he as Lazarus already had that much mistrust, then why complicate things by dropping a disguise. Hiding his true intentions (Gaining more power) with good intentions (Defeating dragons) seems like a great idea.

That distrust he got from his disguise, however, could have been greatly lessened if he willingly showed the Pact Commander his true form during Dragon Vigil, where there were only the Pact Commander, Marjory, Caithe, Ruka and the Luminate present. No one would have learned Lazarus = Balthazar outside of those five. And the PC would never have antagonized (yes, the PC is the one who started it all) Balthazar and there might not be a conflict because we pushed Balthazar into creating the Forged because we were trying to stop him. Instead we could have figured out a way to meet both goals – empowering Balthazar and not destroying the world in the process – instead the PC went “we know you’re lying, so I’m gonna tear that mask off of you!”

Furthermore, all those questions are already asked and many of Balthazar’s followers simply don’t care. They’re just glad he’s returned and are being a willing army to do his bidding, financing his army, without any qualms. So his need of disguise was never really there after stealing the White Mantle’s treasury.

Why was there a “Lazarus Resurrection Room” in Abaddon’s reliquary?

It wasn’t a “Lazarus Resurrection Room”. Balthazar just chose that room to place the aspect artifact, expecting no one to think of looking in a dead god’s secret vault for a modern artifact.

The pentagram being present is unexplained, but honestly, has no need to be related to Lazarus’ five aspects in lore. It could be representing the five other gods besides Abaddon or something for all we know.

After all, Lazarus’ aspects didn’t need to be placed on five pedestals that were equidistant from the adjacent artifacts. They just needed to “be nearby each other” according to Livia.

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Something from 2012 I posted elsewhere...

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Not only is it not lore, but if presented as a theory it’s thoroughly debunked. The Six arrived on the world as gods, with powerful magics of their own, and came to the world via portal not space ship.

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Living Story Season 3 - episodes blocked

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Are you sure you cannot play ep 6? Is it available in your hero panel’s story journal to activate? Otherwise you can try teleport to a friend who’s on the map… it won’t work for eps you need to buy, but unlocked eps should work.

I double checked, and you’re right I can activate Ep6.

Is it 200 gems for each Ep or 200 for all of LS3?

This is very sad system for new players. Anet should be ashamed of this obvious milking of players. If you have paid for HoT, it should include the whole storyline up until the next expansion.

Every company should be ashamed of themselves for charging money for products they spent money to produce. They should just chain their employees to their desks and stop paying them.

I mean, you refuse to collect a paycheck for your work right?

The funny thing is that ANet did offer you the chapters free of monetary charge. You turned them down.

LS is part of the expansion which is already paid for. Do you pay for your groceries and then pay for them again?

No I thought not…

Unfortunately while Season 2 and Season 3 are effectively the first half of the plot for HoT and PoF respectively, they are not “part of the expansion”. They’re ultimately two separate releases, paid for by two separate means.

The Living World releases are DLCs that are temporarily free. Expansions are, well, expansions. You’re never paying for the Living World releases twice.

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So... Balthazar plot hole? (spoilers)

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In Salvation Pass, Matthias was sacrificing people on the bloodstone to feed their souls to Lazarus.

This isn’t actually what’s happening. He’s sacrificing souls to empower bloodstones, which he would then embed in himself (see: Bloodstone Fen journals) hence his abomination form.

Since Xera and Matthias were feeding a re-formed Mursaat it means they already finished the ritual. This means that after they used Caudecus’s fake aspects, instead of Lazarus they got… Balthazar, that was already disguised when he was summoned and Xera’s fanatics didn’t notice his real identity.

And here you’re wrong. Xera was trying to revive Lazarus – she had the four real aspects and one fake one, and didn’t know why he wasn’t reviving so her solution was “feed the aspects magic, lots of magic”.

Her dialogue in the third raid makes it clear that she’s “in the process” but was supremely confident she’d succeed despite the invaders.

But that all amounted to nothing in the end.

Balthazar never appeared before Xera. He did appear before Justiciar Bauer, however, per his journal.

Xera didn’t know how Lazarus’s magic work? For their “god” they knew nothing about him and how his magic worked.

The mursaat weren’t exactly telling in their plans and magic. That’s why they could masquerade as gods. They had a level of mysteriousness to them.

They put him in a stasis chamber (Stronghold of the Faithful) to give him strength for crying out loud. They forced the Bloodstone to explode so he could absorb the magic energy from it!

False. They prepared a stasis chamber for him, they put the artifacts in that chamber (I’m actually now curious if we can spot the goblet, sword, book, container, and whatever-the-fifth-object-was in that stasis chamber).

There is no plot hole, you’re just misunderstanding three things:

  1. Matthias wasn’t feeding Lazarus. He was just empowering Bloodstone Shards with sacrifices, which then got used for multiple purposes (one of which being used to push magic into the artifacts).
  2. The ritual to revive Lazarus never worked. Xera never met “Lazarus” aka Balthazar. She was empowering the artifacts, not a living being, and was trying to revive Lazarus but we interrupted her (not that she would have succeeded without such).
  3. Balthazar took advantage of the raiders assaulting Stronghold of the Faithful and interrupting the resurrection of Lazarus. We do not know how he knew, but he was not there pretending to be Lazarus in front of Xera.

Bauer likely thought Xera had somehow managed to succeed, hence why he worked with disguised-Balthazar, despite having tricked Xera by replacing one of the aspect artifacts with a fake.

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What race is Viirastra?

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It would be more of a design choice – not so much for lore purposes, but for the sake of making work faster.

For the same reason we have cases like the mushroom foes using the same base skeleton as skritt with a few new animations, or Stavemaster Arwyn using female norn animations but they created a walking animation for him. Similarly, kodan utilize the norn skeleton and animations, and tengu use charr (though they got a new animation set with HoT).

So yeah, I wouldn’t say “they’re norn!” just because they use norn base models. If they were intended to just be norn I doubt they’d have given them such textures – Skorvald the exception since unlike the others you can make out normal skin.

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Why? The springer mount

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I don’t think the cavaliers – let alone the actual cavalry of the cavaliers – are meant to have a “noticeable military impact against Joko’s forces” – Joko is not actively attacking them, he seems to be largely treating them as non-existent and playing the long game with them. Only recently have Awakened traveled to Amnoon according to dialogue (and under peaceful recruitment conditions) – it seems the Council there has some sort of deal established with Joko to leave them be.

The cavalier’s primary purpose as seen in the demo is to defend against wildlife, bandits, and recently branded and Forged, as well as escorting caravans, refugees, and defectors. Though “defense against Joko” is on their list of things to worry about, this has thus far been a potential threat rather than a real threat.

As for how much meat a raptor eats – keep in mind that these are desert animals, not savannah animals like lions. So wild raptors are likely used to eating a bit less food than wild lions and the like, due to scarcity if nothing else. Not only that, unlike lions the raptors would not be the top of the local wildlife food chain – that position undoubtably falls to hydras or wurms.

Their primary diet in the wild is likely sand eels, sand lions, sand sharks (oi, lots of “sand somethings” here…), and probably hydras if they hunt in packs (if they follow general raptor understandings, they likely do) but that’d be least common. There’d of course also be wind riders, ogres/giants, minotaurs, wurms, and scarabs/devourers but I’d imagine those would be either less tasty for a carnivore, or much harder to hunt.

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What race is Viirastra?

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The wiki has an image of Skorvald using Golden Fractal Staff, not Bifrost. And his dialogue makes it seem that he is working for Arkk – like the gladiator charr in Chaos Isles Fractal.

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Why? The springer mount

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I don’t think that the existence of the springer is nearly as strange as the fact that the local cultures would have chosen to domesticate them thousands of years ago in favour of sturdier looking beasts.

Based on lore, the animals domesticated for mounts is relatively recent – past two centuries, not even “shortly after GW1” – as an alternative means to traverse the desert aside from ancient Forgotten teleporters. This basically happened after Joko conquered Elona and closed ties with Central Tyria nations like Kryta and the asura (thus they would never have obtained waypoints during the past few hundred years unless they stole such from Priory or Whispers or random adventurers which are unlikely to have had many waypoints).

So no mounts were domesticated “thousands of years ago” but rather in the past 200 years (or more accurately, 195 years).

Further, the Springers are used by highlanders on the northern edge of the desert based on Amnoon dialogue, specifically to climb cliffs. Your other animal examples fail on this point, as they are not climbers (well maybe your giant lizard can climb vertically – but what would be easier on the rider, to hold on as you’re tempting gravity to fall off the entire time – which might result in moving the reins in a way that signals the mount to do something other than the rider wanted, like turn around in circles – or to have your mount leap up high and use its natural legs to function as cushion against the small whiplash of landing?).

As to horses: we know they exist, and have even been domesticated by humans in the past (see Orrian “Necrid Horsemen” in gw1, and Kaineng Tah’s lore), but they’re not desert animals by any means so it makes sense that PoF mounts do not include a horse – Season 4 may carry on “new mounts” and may include horses, depending on where they go with that season. However, I will forever hold the notion that a charr riding a horse will be weird and hope they stick to non-standard mounts so that all five races would be realistic in riding them. They can introduce horses as NPC-only mounts for human groups, like they had beetle mounts for hyleks.

Also, in b4 ‘wtb snow beast mounts.’

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What race is Viirastra?

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Being a very human-like demon like Razah is one possibility. Another is that she’s of the same beings as Harbinger of Woe is – as her challenge mode version (Artsariiv) seems to use the same texture as the Harbinger. This texture is definitely different from the Celestial Infusions, as Skorvald has such on him (which is rather interesting to me – has he been in the Fractals for so long he’s losing his humanity – er, nornity – or something?).

It should also be known that Yokko describes Viirastra and her clones as “creatures from the beyond”. This means that she is either a mist-born being or comes from another world entirely.

As know what Celestials are – souls ascended into the night sky to live as constellations – so Viirastra certainly isn’t such, as there is no “Celestial Norn” or any constellation called Viirastra. Their appearance is also vastly different from hers.

So I’d go with “same kind of being as the Harbinger of Woe, possibly same as Razah too.”

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Randall Greyston and the Gods[GW2 story]

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It’s honestly not that suspicious, depending on how weak Balthazar was. Even after absorbing the Bloodstone, he was obviously not on par to an Elder Dragon – he couldn’t even kill Marjory after exerting himself (though he could kill a dozen White Mantle mooks when not exerting himself first). Before that Bloodstone, he was probably far too weak to confront even a dragon champion let alone an Elder Dragon. So he needed an immediate, lesser defended magic source – and a Bloodstone would be perfect for such.

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So Balthazar wants to be.... (PoF spoiler)

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I think in that theory, he went to the reliquaries for the explicit purpose of getting the mirror for disguising himself. Which honestly makes more sense than getting the mirror from Lyssa (willingly or not from her standpoint) before he should have been logically knowing of the Lazarus situation. But per reasons I stated, we know he didn’t get the mirror from the reliquaries unless he got it years ago as he brought the mercenaries with him to Siren’s Landing.

So most likely, he didn’t get the mirror intending to use it to disguise as Lazarus, but had disguised as other individuals first.

Andsome people in Siren’s Landing did see Balthazar:

<Character name>: Sorry to be abrupt, but I’m looking for Balthazar or the Eye of Janthir, a floating…
Firstborn Dagonet: Oh, we know what it is. They’ve both been here, but you cannot follow where they went.

Queen Yasamin: My lord Balthazar has returned! (laugh) I am overjoyed!

Curiously, King Zoran at Dwayna’s reliquary did not see Balthazar – so we know he passed by Melandru’s reliquary heading obviously to Abaddon’s, and we know he visited his own reliquary. It’s unclear if he went to Grenth’s or Lyssa’s, but did not go to Dwayna’s.

We know he went into Abaddon’s reliquary to hide the aspect of Lazarus, to prevent it in being used against him (and he tampered with the defenses of it). However, we do not know why he visited his own reliquary or if he did or didn’t take anything from Abaddon’s reliquary.

Most likely, he took what he needed to create the Forged, explaining why we don’t see them before PoF – he wasn’t able to turn folks into Forged just yet at that point.
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Changing Sylvari Name to Sound Lore-Friendly

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Another possible source of inspiration can be Celtic and Arthurian mythos, since a lot of plots have a similarity or inspiration from there (Caladbolg, for example, is a mystical weapon in Celtic mythos).

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PoF predictions...

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And it is quite intriguing that Balthazar and Abaddon are in fact the name of demons.
Sometimes it seems that the human gods were originally thought of as demons and then, gw2 plot guys changed the whole story to “gods.”

Not quite true. Balthazar is a name attributed to one of the three magi – not a demon.

Abaddon (or Apollyon) is a name given to both a being and a location. When referred to as a being (which seems more common use of the name), Abaddon is an angel of death (or “angel of the abyss”), called “the Destroyer”. One can, I suppose, consider Abaddon an “evil angel of death” while Azrael (the more common name for the Angel of Death) to be a “good angel of death”. Abaddon is basically an evil/fallen angel rather than a demon. Which is why I believe ArenaNet chose that name (the fallen angel / fallen god bit that is). When referred to a location, it is related to sheol (a shadowy realm of the dead – descriptions of this make me think of the Mad King’s Labyrinth or Tim Burton styled locations).

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Randall Greyston and the Gods[GW2 story]

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That’s not 100% accurate though. While there is a historical connection, the magic comes from Tyria itself, and the original Bloodstone was created by the Seers not the Six Gods (albeit the Seers used “divine resources” – which the Forgotten had no access to, despite being devout followers of the Six). When they split the Bloodstone, they even strengthened it using Zhaitan’s magic (without realizing they drew from an Elder Dragon, according to Randall), rather than their own.

There’s no connection between the Bloodstones and the Six Gods’ magic – the magic within the Bloodstones is pure Tyrian. The closest connection is just the Seer’s resources for creating the Bloodstone being divine just as the Six Gods themselves are divine. Whether that divinity is connected or not is unclear though.

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ANET needs to fix the disconnecting.

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I’ve not had any issue, nor heard of others having many issues.

Perhaps the problem isn’t on ArenaNet’s end but your internet or computer’s?

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PoF Centaurs?

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You’re mixing two events – three actually, given your prior post – talking initially about when Cantha established itself versus a centuries later event. The Ministry of Purity didn’t exist until after Factions – before then, there was little to no xenophobia in Canthan humans (those who were, were a vast minority).

The whole discussion to this point – in the topic of Cantha – had been about when humans in Cantha settled the land and whether or not they pushed other races out of theirs. The events following the Jade Wind (prior post) and the events following Factions/Winds of Change (recent post) are both centuries after they had settled Cantha.

Further, you cannot really blame humanity as a whole for the actions of a single (albeit large) group.

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So Balthazar wants to be.... (PoF spoiler)

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Dialogue does indicate he appeared only once. Further, he brought the mercenaries with him – so this was after he appeared as Lazarus to the White Mantle. Even if he could have somehow replaced that aspect before his appearance, his visit was still after he had the mirror.

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PoF predictions...

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I don’t see how that necessarily invalidates the idea that it doesn’t really make sense for the Blood Legion as a group to become the next Molten Alliance or Forged or whatever group.

Well, where is the notion that a group cannot splinter into two even if the PC can affiliate with it?

That is, after all, exactly what we see with sylvari – and I don’t mean “sylvari race”. I mean “Pact sylvari”. Based on dialogue during the Mordrem Invasion event, sylvari beyond the Wastes didn’t hear the call it seems, so only Pact sylvari turned – this just furthers the point, since all turned sylvari were of the same affiliation as PC sylvari.

And in regards to Bangar’s negative stance on peace with humans, the fact that most of the Blood legion regardless of the personal stances of individual members would obey their Imperator, the large size of the legion, and the existence of outliers of any side…Isn’t this all stuff I already stated? Why are we arguing these points?

Because those are all reasons why a civil war of sorts can be used as a lead into the next plot. That’s why I listed them – and you didn’t really list all of it.

He didn’t specify how much of the Legion it’d be.

To be fair, from context it was pretty clear he was referring to Bangar and his wildcard nature, and not the actual legion, and that it is more of a potential threat than actual threat.

^This, I can see this absolutely being the case. My contention is that I don’t think its feasible for Blood to be the next Mordrem or Forged.

I think it was very clear from context that we’re talking about a lead in army, not the main focus army.

That would make them comparable to White Mantle or Mercenaries – the group we fight for most of a LW season, but are dealt with (for the most part) by the time of the next expansion. Or if they’re in the expansion, they serve as a smaller threat for the larger one (like Zaishen may for the Forged).

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Sylvaris first time in Elona

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There were a few sylvari who joined the Zephyrites during Bazaar of the Four Winds (before the visit Aeryn joined) where they went to unknown lands. Elona could be included. We also know that Priory traveled to the Crystal Desert in recent years, and sylvari could have been among the expedition. On top of that, we know the Order of Whispers maintained contact, so another avenue for a sylvari to have gone to Elona.

I doubt they’d overly react any more than they would going to Ascalon for the first time, really. Just a different attitude towards climate.

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PoF predictions...

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False equivalence. Regardless of their origins, there are good and bad sylvari, just like their are good and bad humans, or norn, etc. The entire race, or even a majority, didn’t go bad mostly just those in close proximity to Mordy.

We never really got a percentage on the number of sylvari who turned to Mordrem Guards, but given the number of Mordrem Guards it is likely very high.

Either way, “just like there are good and bad humans, or Blood Legion soldiers, or Ash Legion soldiers”.

It’s not really a false equivalence. Given we know there are “bad Blood Legion soldiers” because some have already defected, just as we know there are good Blood Legion soldiers because some are grateful for the peace talks.

If Bangar decides to denounce the treaty, which was hinted he wants to do in the very first piece of GW2 lore, many soldiers will follow suit because if you talk to a number of charr in the Black Citadel as a human, or throughout Fields of Ruin as any race, you’ll see that a large number of dialogues in those areas talk about tolerating (for lack of a better word) the peace talks because their superiors told them to.

If their superiors told them to ignore the talks, then they’ll ignore the talks, either gladly or grudgingly. Because they already do this.

We’re talking about a group, not a race. […] We’re talking about an entire third of the legitimate High Legions and probably more than a quarter of the Charr populace becoming enemies. […] We’re talking about the Charr, if their Imperator did order them to basically turn on everyone, it’d only be outliers that’d disobey. It’d be a different matter if Banger did cause political issues within the balance the High Legions have, but for the whole Legion to become the enemy…its not really all the plausible.

We’re talking about a very large group – hundreds of thousands. Blood Legion is said to be the largest of the three legions, so that’s over a third of the allied race. It also has territory that is nearly three times that of Iron’s territory (Ascalon), as Blood territory reaches north of Ascalon and east of the Blazeridge.

And no, we’re not talking about all Blood Legion turning into enemies. No one has said the whole Blood Legion. Not a single person. We’re talking about a civil war within the Blood Legion, between those who serve “the greater good” and those who fall back to old racial customs or follow their superiors. In this hypothetical civil war, it would be Iron + Ash + some of Blood versus most of Blood + Renegades. The Blood Legion would be effectively split between those who are racial supremacists but followed orders (of which there are many), and those believe that peace with humans is the right path.

Hypothetically we could even see more defectors from Ash and Iron if they see an Imperator denouncing the peace talks.

And the irony of you talking about outliers that’d disobey – we have proof that such outliers exist. So obviously if the orders were to turn around, there would still be outliers.

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