Guild Wars 2

Condi thief IS NOT OP. D/p is way better in so many ways. Thief is a +1 role, and d/p will always be superior due to on demand stealth and the damage burst. If you think condi thief is OP, you need to get a better duo partner to carry you out of bronze xD

I don’t know what to say if you’re getting farmed by power mesmers xD

On your keyboard, there’s a button that magically makes you not get one shot by them. It’s called the “dodge key.” I suggest you use it.

Warriors are immortal…. Lol Learn to kite and not eat every f1 they use

I love how just because it’s on meta battle people immediately go “Oh, i love this build because blah blah blah” NO. The build is absolute garbage if you’re facing a player that’s half decent. I agree that it’s an easy build, but it’s more of a why would you ever play that trash kinda build. I hate to ruin your fun and all, but it’s not competitive at all. Every single s/d condi thief i’ve seen (maybe around 5-7 ish) I was able to hard counter with mesmer. Not only is it a bad damage dealer, it has no dash which hinders it’s mobility by a lot. The teams that I faced with an s/d thief all lost, and the ones where we had an s/d thief, we barely won.

The only reason mesmer stays in the meta is because of portal tbh. If you’re really lucky, the other team won’t have any mobility (DH, War, Engi, Ele, necro, etc) to decap or +1 fights. Maybe switch out one of your wells for portal, and your build would be that much better. If it doesn’t work, then ok, you’re right, portal is worse than the rest of your utility skills

Potato.2567:

So what you’re saying is that you’re sad that you can no longer auto attack on skyhammer for 8 minutes and get your daily when it was intended to take actual effort and maybe half an hour to do since dailies actually give decent awards.

I think the new system is working as intended.

Lol what. Don’t be a kitten about a person wanting to have fun elsewhere in the game rather than somewhere the don’t feel useful in. Have some empathy kitten .

or just stop being so sensitive and accept the loss? No? Ok i’ll leave -_-

Idk about you guys but whenever i touch the guild roster or the game browser or mail, my game crashes. Anyone else or is it just me?

jbondo.9817:

Please do not do that. Rev is in a great spot at the moment.

Can’t tell if trolling. If it isn’t, then soloq ranked with rev. Gl with that.

Yeah condi rev is trash, even worse than power rev in some cases if the other team is at least decent enough. People just think that condi rev is super good, when in reality, people don’t know how to save condi clears.

stop blaming your team, a lot of matches are carriable. Either that, or get a duo that is competent enough to carry you and your team.

You lost because I was on the other team

they announced it last night that it would be the size of the foefire mid point, and it would be a free for all. I personally was hoping for an actual dueling option, but it’s whatevs. You can’t have everything. Also people in the top 25 leaderboards or top 4 teams in the automated tournaments could potentially screw up any duels or brawls by placing obstacles and traps and all that jazz.

Then don’t 1v1 guys, it’s not that hard. Wait until they come to a teamfight and focus the ele down there. If you have to 1v1 them, just use an interrupt during overload or their heal skill. Eles are ez mode if you have time.

or just type in all caps and call him a noob, he’ll stop trying to follow you

Everyone’s hoping for a duel area, but they said brawl. If it was a dueling area, they would’ve specifically said it to hype everyone up. But who knows, they might still add it which would be great.

Nope. It sucks because he first days of the season are filled with pve scrubs that only care about the reward :/

When u celebrate ur overall 4k games and have 0% winrate

If you can’t dodge cc, maybe don’t rush into the middle of the center point and stand there? I sometimes play on a crappy macbook air and get around 10-13 fps, and I can still dodge most cc’s. Most every meta build has at least one stunbreaker/instant invulnerability of some kind, so just use that if you expect burst after they cc you. I hate using this term, but it just looks like you have to l2p. Also, complaining about rev cc lul.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Tier 0 (very op): Thief/mesmer

Tier 1 (OP): everything else

You are the definition of salty my dude.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Hilarious-balance-of-gw2-mesmer-thief/first#post6617101

If you know there is mesmer + thief on the other team, instead of capping home right away, line of sight or stand somewhere where they can’t moa burst you. Same thing throughout the rest of the game, don’t stand out in the open. Mesmer+thief is far from OP, that’s like sayin ele+necro is OP. Sure they’re used a lot and are some of the best duo groups, they’re NOT OP.
Nerfing portal will completely shut mesmer out of the meta, so no.
Shadowstep is also really important. (Not that thief has been nerfed a lot recently)
Sounds like you’ve been ganked by mesmer and thief recently, and need to vent. Other then that, just l2p against them and gl

I couldn’t put them in tiers but the ideal comp is:
Thief
Mes
Necro
Ele
Engi
This comp is only good for organized teams, not pugs
Rev is unplayable even in condi, (gets rekt by thief and necro)
Druid comes in 3rd as a support class
DH is ok but meh
War is pretty good overall, but there are definitely better options

In soloq, I don’t know what a good comp is, but maybe replacing the Mes and Engi with Guard and War, something like that.

Yeah, I’ve never been a fan of Coliseum, but Capricorn is pretty good. Except when my team mates don’t go bell the whole game or wipe in 5 seconds at the bell. Idk why I even don’t like Coliseum I just do.

Y’all are dumb, can’t be called bad if you’re not actually doing anything

Spear of Justice: This skill now applies 6 seconds of Revealed on the initial impact.
Why is this? Doesn’t Guardian already counter thief enough?

Mesmer’s main source of dmg is obviously condi and shatters. Their damage would barely change if the power damage was nerfed. Saying power necro is chosen more than condi isn’t true, I bet if you went in to a ranked match you would see most necros are condi. Also, yes warrior has 2 viable builds, that’s why I said that they were either even or better with its power builds. Also, condi guard can be way better than power if you know what you’re doing. Same thing with condi engi, it’s more of a gimmick, but could work in ranked, so it’s viable. I haven’t played condi rev a lot, but I’ve seen a lot of cases where I see condi revs destroying every other build.

I also found that basically using the same build as meta d/p but switching out blinding powder for infiltrator signet is also pretty viable.

Lol u mad – rifle – Kill everything on the map and grant 1 stack of might to you
3 sec cooldown
Thoughts?

I actually tried playing with CS in the past, but I like deadly arts because of the utility it brings. This build doesn’t normally one shot things, so having more utility and traits like improv would be more useful. But I can see CS working for certain matchups.

For those of you who want D/D back, here ya go
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCVOhlOBOmC8PhFYCTLBEA2NephzQbYOEeCbhA-TpBEwAM3fIbZgIHCACPAAAHBADnAAA

Now, this build is full glass. Regular Marauder D/D doesn’t work because there’s no on demand stealth and blind, so this is basically kill or be killed. We’re not running signet of agility, because if a condi build manages to get condis on you, you’re already kittened. So, Infiltrators signet I found was way better because we don’t have shadow shot anymore. Then, distracting daggers for mainly interrupting the heal skill, or any thing that will kill you instantly and you’re out of dodges, or proccing PI. Always open up with steal for the fury. This build obviously isn’t as good as the meta d/p build, but in my opinion is the only power d/d build that works for me.

I’ve noticed the rise of power rangers since last patch, and as a rev I cannot stand them, but gl with it

5 thief new meta

Soooo basically it’s just the meta power Rev…….. With Commander stats

Ohhhh, thanks so much

Anyone have the problem that when you stand in a cap circle, you can’t actually cap it? I’ve noticed it in PvP and WvW. I’ve tried restarting the game, resetting internet, etc, and I still can’t cap anything.

Crinn.7864:

Koto.1824:

What if you could choose manually which condis you would want removed 1st, 2nd, etc, obviously before a match in PvP or whatever .Every situation is different but still it would make condis less overpowered while still making it viable.

That would completely delete the viability of every condi build.

How so? You would still get the same amount of condis, just condi clears are more powerful now. Plus who likes getting 20 stacks of confusion and one stack of vulnerability, and having the vulnerability cleared?

What if you could choose manually which condis you would want removed 1st, 2nd, etc, obviously before a match in PvP or whatever .Every situation is different but still it would make condis less overpowered while still making it viable.

Emapudapus.1307:

I want nerf on their heal when hit with condi, its too much and mostly cant be interrupted. And nerf on their dodges. Then i am happy.

Nerf their heal? They have the worst heals in the game (assuming you’re meta shiro/glint) Shiro isn’t even a heal, it’s a dmg boost, and Glint is the easiest heal to counter. Also, you want to nerf Rev’s only counter to condi? Rev literally has 1 condi clear on legend swap, and staff #4 can be interrupted easily, and isn’t even worth the cast time. Also nerf their dodges? Sure revs have a lot of evades, it’s their only defense other than shield #5, and blocks can be easily bypassed with unblockable skills. Look at other classes.

DH, has a lot of blocks, insane heal skill, an immune that resets a block and a heal.

Chronos have double distort, moa, stealth, clones, HP on shatter, and a CS to double all that.

Warriors have access to insane toughness, heal sig + rousing resilience + HP on burst skills, blocks, double endure pain, berserker stance, plenty of stunbreaks, plenty of resistance

Thief has triple the amount of evades than revs do, can disengage, stealth, blocks,

Ele has HP on auras, water overload, obsidian flesh, projectile reflects, almost perma protection uptime

Necro is squishy :P

Engineer has reflect projectiles, double med gyro/healing turret, insane boon output, stealth, stab, double immune, condi removal

Ranger has incredible heals, able to kite, stealth, water fields, stone sig, condi removal, a lot of stab

And what does Rev have?
3 evades, 2 blocks, one immune, no stab, no kiting potential, no reflects, tiny bit of proc, almost no condi clears, no resistance, literally 2 blinds, and actually good CC

And you wanna nerf the heal and the evades.

No evades, 2 blocks, no immune, no stab, no kiting potential, no reflects, tiny bit of proc, almost no condi clears, no resistance, literally 2 blinds, and good CC.

Rev still OP

No one will ever use On My Mark, even with the 4s reveal. Teef was doomed ever since the CD on stealth attacks. There’s only one person good enough to play thief and overcome the powercreep, and that’s the almighty Terissimo

Pomdepin.7068:

Let’s face it: the current state of pvp is quite bad. In this topic, I will present my thoughts on why it is in such a bad place, and how to fix it. Of course, some propositions could be wrong and there might be other concerns not addressed, but this is a global idea to hopefully help developers improving their game.

Before we start, I have to say I think we need more than few fixes, and the global gameplay needs a big overhaul that would be time-consuming, but would also lead toward a healthier game.

So I am going to discuss the following issues: AOEs, CCs, blocks and invulnerabilities, conditions.

- AOEs are far too numerous, too big, too powerful and kill pvp, especially as the objective is to control points on the map. Overlapping DH’s traps, chrono’s wells, ele’s elemental zones, war/zerker burning zones, rev or engi’s AOEs, they are so numerous it becomes a giant fest where people walking into it instantly die. By the way, most of the elite specializations brought many very powerful AOEs compared to what was previously accessible to core specs.
—> AOE spam, visual overload, too high damage distribution.

- CCs became too numerous, too accessible and too frequent.
Some professions and capacities are able to chain CC at such a frequency that even break-stuns can seem useless. In 1v1 fights, we’ll be able to try to dodge or break out of stun on key CCs, but in teamfights where it is a real zerg of effects and where every single profession can CC multiple times, sometimes in AOE, it becomes far too complicated. Triple AOE CC from chrono’s elite well, AOE CC from DH’s elite trap which ignores every stun-break apart from blinks, warrior’s access to a CC every 5 seconds with a single skill in berzerker mode, revenant staff ability which knockbacks every target on its way, etc…
—> CC spam without trying to use them at the right time, lowering significantly the skillcap.

- Blocks and invulnerabilities became too numerous, too accessible and too frequent.
Same statement as CCs, blocks and invulnerabilities (sometimes passive effects !) are way too numerous. How is it even possible that a warrior (yeah, you again, sorry) can block more than 50% of the time, while still being able to be immune to damage and condis via skills or talents, and have 2 dodges in addition ? Waaaay too easy. Anyway, every class got means to block with elite specs.
—> Blocks and invulnerabilities too easy without a real counterplay, lowering the skillcap.

- Conditions have gone uncontrollable !
This is really a huge nonsense. To me, conditions are supposed to be “dots”, so damage over time. But right now, they have a bigger burst than berzerker glasscanons ! WTF seriously ?… This is sad. Like it’s been said many times, direct damage specs need 3 stats to be effective (power, precision, ferocity), whereas condi specs only need one (condi power, arguably 2 with condi duration). As a consequence, those are able to strengthen with vitality, toughness or something else, even though they are more bursty. This problem sometimes goes in pair with the AOE one (condi bombs) to inflict tons of conditions in aoe. This gameplay barely has any counter as the ways to cure condis are very restrained compared to the pace of application. Conditions gameplay should rely on covering important ones by less important ones, so that the target struggles to cure them. This is more skillful, but every class has so many different conditions they can apply that you don’t even have to think about it. So people just use all their AOE condi skills in the middle of the point, and spam every skill they have. Targets’ lives are just melting without any strategy. Being downed by 20 different condis in a matter of seconds is lame. Condis should go up in intensity and damage over time with high damage if not cured.
—> Condis are too bursty, not enough means to cure them compared to their number, no defensive weakness.

So basically, nerf every skill in the game?

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Koto.1824:

Now I know I’ve already made a topic about this, but I feel like it’s gotten even worse. Everyone is complaining about everything is OP. See the problem? EVERYTHING is OP. If everything is OP, nothing is OP. There is always something about a build that has it’s purpose, but if everyone has this toxic attitude towards basically every class in the game except for ele’s, it’s gonna screw the game up even more. I’m gonna list what I’ve heard about the classes.

Warrior: Too many stuns, condi clears, condi warrior has too much sustain, power warrior has too many stuns and burst.

Guardian: Traps are too powerful, too many blocks and heals, point denial, too many defensive CD’s, low skill ceiling

Revenant: OP against power builds, sustain, boon output, mobility

Ranger: Too much healing, bunker, pet dmg, kiting, stealth

Engineer: Stability, sustain, CC’s, gyro’s, condi’s

Thief: Evades, mobility (decap), burst, condi’s, interrupts, stealth, traps

Necro: Condis, Minions, signets,

Ele: Nothing

Mesmer: Interrupts, condi burst, invulnerability/blocks, elite+split

It’s ok to point out if a class needs a nerf to a particular mechanic or ability, but don’t complain about a class that is perfect where it is.

Bahaha can’t take OP seriously he says Thief Traps are op In Spvp bahahahha ha greatest thing I have seen all day.

I was talking about perma stealth thief which is total cancer in WvW

Now I know I’ve already made a topic about this, but I feel like it’s gotten even worse. Everyone is complaining about everything is OP. See the problem? EVERYTHING is OP. If everything is OP, nothing is OP. There is always something about a build that has it’s purpose, but if everyone has this toxic attitude towards basically every class in the game except for ele’s, it’s gonna screw the game up even more. I’m gonna list what I’ve heard about the classes.

Warrior: Too many stuns, condi clears, condi warrior has too much sustain, power warrior has too many stuns and burst.

Guardian: Traps are too powerful, too many blocks and heals, point denial, too many defensive CD’s, low skill ceiling

Revenant: OP against power builds, sustain, boon output, mobility

Ranger: Too much healing, bunker, pet dmg, kiting, stealth

Engineer: Stability, sustain, CC’s, gyro’s, condi’s

Thief: Evades, mobility (decap), burst, condi’s, interrupts, stealth, traps

Necro: Condis, Minions, signets,

Ele: Nothing

Mesmer: Interrupts, condi burst, invulnerability/blocks, elite+split

It’s ok to point out if a class needs a nerf to a particular mechanic or ability, but don’t complain about a class that is perfect where it is.

Sheltron.2190:

PLEASE ANET. The current mode does not even involve people fighting each other, you can avoid other people, cap / decap points, then run away at the first sign of someone with no engagement. And don’t make the maps like the mid point of the new Colosseum map, give it like 4 pillars around the edge and one biggie in the middle. Also please add like a tournament maker and guild tournaments where you and your guildies can go fight other guilds in ruthless guild tourneys (its called freaking guild wars but there is not gvg). I am starting to loose faith in this game along with a lot of other people, so I think that this would breathe fresh life into the game.

P.S.
PLEEEEEEEASE REVAMP THE PIP SYSTEM!!!!!

YES, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
I think that it would bring back a lot of players, especially WvW roamers. It would basically be the same thing except for the annoying running around and getting kittened by a blob. Also, it’s really hard to organize tournaments nowadays since GW2 is losing population (slowly), and this would really help bring the community together.

I’m not even playing full trapper, and fyi I’ve been playing guardian since Beta, and was my main for 2 years before I went over to thief, so don’t tell me that I’ve “joined the bandwagon”

Yeah, I understand that it’s overpowered, but 5 people today so far has been insulting me for playing a class. C’mon people learn some respect. I main teef, but whenever I decide to go into unranked with DH, I get all sorts of hate. It’s just getting out of hand.

Yea, it’s really hard as a rev to clear the condi’s on you, so you just have to wait the confusion out. It’s really annoying especially against a mesmer who could put constant confusion on you and has ridiculous gap closers

The other player’s damage I think. That’s just a guess tho

As emKelly says, thief is at it’s all time low. With people spamming reveals, AOE, hard cc, thief is way to underpowered right now. Perma evade isn’t the problem, it’s quite easy to play against. But what is the problem is that people don’t know how to play against it. Don’t take this out of context, I’m not bragging about how good of a player I am (I’m actually mediocre), I’m saying is all you have to do is log into your thief, copy the build from Metabattle or whatever, and test the weaknesses of it. Maybe even test it out in unranked, and see how people counter you. I’m not going to list the weaknesses of perma evade thief, but if you want to nerf thief even more than it already is, then you’ve obviously never played thief before.

I agree, gerdiun 2 stronk
But, gtfo before the DH pulls you into their traps, or popping a stack of stability would work. This skill is poorly designed. Kinda like scorpion wire x2