Guild Wars 2

ellesee.8297:

pistol/pistol power build? try thief.

Please don’t.

evilapprentice.6379:

Lantz.7240:

evilapprentice.6379:

Lantz.7240:

The only thing they really say about P/D is its boring and only has bleeds which isn’t true.

its boring and only has bleeds which isn’t true.

which isn’t true.

…Care to explain to me how it isn’t true? P/D only has consistent access to bleeds (which is how it “Only has bleeds”), and it’s super boring to play because without 5->1, wait for reveal, 5->1 style gameplay, your DPS will be extremely sub-par.

Shadow strike gaining torment is Ok, but it’s not a DPS powerhouse by any means – it still falls short of CnD->Sneak attack.

As I said before with my P/D setup I can bleed, poison, cripple, weaken and torment. Is it a power house? No but its not ment to be. I have good damage though and decent survivability. As for it being boring it is no more boring than the idiots who spam HS or the same exact 5-1 gameplay they do with daggers. You are not forced to just use 5-1. If you do and are bored then its your fault.

Poison, cripple and weakness are not DPS conditions. You will never kill a player with those conditions. Your access to Torment is crap – the spec relies entirely on Bleed to do DPS.

Never said they were dps conditions. Just said they were conditions and having several on a target is better than just having bleeds. As for torment its not amazing but its easy to work into a rotations and is a nice little bonus.

evilapprentice.6379:

Lantz.7240:

The only thing they really say about P/D is its boring and only has bleeds which isn’t true.

its boring and only has bleeds which isn’t true.

which isn’t true.

…Care to explain to me how it isn’t true? P/D only has consistent access to bleeds (which is how it “Only has bleeds”), and it’s super boring to play because without 5->1, wait for reveal, 5->1 style gameplay, your DPS will be extremely sub-par.

Shadow strike gaining torment is Ok, but it’s not a DPS powerhouse by any means – it still falls short of CnD->Sneak attack.

As I said before with my P/D setup I can bleed, poison, cripple, weaken and torment. Is it a power house? No but its not ment to be. I have good damage though and decent survivability. As for it being boring it is no more boring than the idiots who spam HS or the same exact 5-1 gameplay they do with daggers. You are not forced to just use 5-1. If you do and are bored then its your fault.

dragonkain.3984:

Ahahahah, just saw a podcast featuring best thief players:

http://www.twitch.tv/soacgaming/c/2411446
Skip to 21.50 and listen.

Clowns who defend pistol mainhand should really shut up.

Pretty much all they talk about is P/P which yes does have problems with synergy. The only thing they really say about P/D is its boring and only has bleeds which isn’t true. Way to act like an adult though and insult people who disagree with you.

No the have said several times we are a mid range class. If try not to be we get nerfed. Know your place.

I personally love P/D. Steal poisons and weakens. CnD with spider venom up then stealth attack to stack bleeds. Finish with shadow strike to get a safe distance to finish. Target now has poison, weakness, bleeds, torment and vulnerability. P/D is pretty much all I use. Maybe its not the best but I do ok and its a lot of fun.

I have been playing a thief a ton lately. Actually thinking of making it my main. Only problem is there is not a lot of builds I really like where my enigi has several play styles I love.

Haven’t noticed to much in random Spvp but torneys it seems to miss a lot. Getting really kitten ed since without it I am very venerable.

Faction.4013:

Lantz.7240:

I have been playing a P/D caltrop build for a long time and love it. This is a very cool addition.

What’s this P/D Caltop build you speak of? I’d like to give it a spin.

I’m just about to hit level 80 on my alt Thief, and Conditions are a preferred style of play for me.

Thanks!!

Its a bit of a gimmicky build that most people make fun of but the only one so far that I have done really well with. Here is my build. I mostly do Spvp so don’t know if it can translate well to Pve or WvW.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQRAqY4alYmyNXeS0E95Ei3jvasMLNF0UD2pgrkPA-T4AgyCuI0SplTLjWStsaNWY5x+jjIzAefA

Tons of vigor from heal and steal allows a lot of dodging which creates caltrops to bleed the enemy. CnD then pistol to stack bleeds along with that and poison on top of bleeds does decent damage while making you very evasive. I really only use the second weapon set for the blind and HS to run orb. For utilities I almost always use Caltrops and spider venom. Really like ambush but its easy to replace.

I have been playing a P/D caltrop build for a long time and love it. This is a very cool addition.

I love pvp and do pretty much nothing else but it does feel like there is very little to gain by focusing on pvp.

I hate to start screaming OP as well but I have noticed in most of the randoms I play the team with the most necros seems to win. The main problem i’m having is by the time i get out of one fear i’m half dead then i get hit by another fear. On top of that there high health and shroud make them kitten difficult to kill.

Using a similar build 20/0/0/20/30 but playing around with a lot of traits and utilities. Only constants being spider venom, caltrops 30 in trickery and 20 acrobatics.

Tried so many builds but love this the most. Good survivability with the almost constant dodges and decent health and good damage from the bleed stacking thanks to caltrops and pistol sneak attack. My second weapon set is mostly for the endurance regen but the blind is very useful.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQRAqY4alYmyNXeS0E95Eh3jvOWzqpgm2sTBXlPA-T4AgyCuI0SplTLjWStsaNCYFw+jjIzPeiA

Sorry. Fixed it.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelIqyaH5ynF17IxoCdO0D7bY1K6R+1vlB-TsAg2CrIwShlDLDWSssYNa4Ey8DA

Been using this simple build with Rune of the Guardian and combing the new static shield with gear shield with some decent results. Was wondering though if a tankier rune would be better. Only play spvp and want to be a good support/point defender.

A random group of skills will recharge. Did you try using several types of skills?

Didnt think about spirits buffing minions. That might be fun.

Ascii.9726:

Bhawb.7408:

Also, its not about needing a boon support class, its about them having fun.

True, OP should of stated if they wanted a fun duo build, or a srs bsns build as that’s all i specialize in

Sorry. Yeah my wife is not a hardcore player at all. Thats why im looking for a class that can help protect her and keep her alive. I’m a pretty decent player and i’m comfortable jumping on any class.

Can anyone suggest a good Partner. I was thinking a spirit ranger but after playing a little bit spirits seem kind of weak. We are pretty much just going to be playing pve.

I really just hate our number two. Was thinking in its place a Overcharged Shot type skill would be better. Think our number three would need a nerf though. Maybe it could be a elixer toss that grants a large area a couple of random buffs.

Too many numbers. Lets just a agree to be kitten at arenanet.

I don’t mind our bleed damage. Its our number one and we can apply other conditions so much better than other classes like the thief. I rather have weaker bleeds while also having poison, burns and confusions even with the nerf.

I jumped on my mesmer today and pretty much created the exact same thing. Don’t ever really play my mesmer so was just playing around with traits. Actually did pretty well. I feel odd playing a mesmer though.

Forestnator.6298:

rivx.3267:

And now we wear med armor and do the same damage or less. (nerfed)

For good reason: engi is still one of the strongest classes.

HGH is great but what us do we have? Maybe a SD build which is ok and certain bunker builds that are decent but nothing I would say truly stands out. That combine with turrets and gadgets being way underpowered I hardly call us one of the strongest classes. Not trying to attack you by the way if thats how it comes off.

Yeah we need pistols as our condition set. Would rather see duration on glue shot increased and our poison volley buffed.

You are arguing with a wall Natsos. Better to just walk away and hope they don’t send their clones after you.

Still considering dropping my engineer to. Hate playing HGH and it seems to be our only decent build. Mesmer were the class I most looked forward to at launch but mostly because I love stealth and support.

As for tracking Mesmers I just look for their name above there head. Just make sure NPC names are off.

Even if you can tell which is the real one its still 1vs4. This is only fun for the mesmer who can easily hide/escape while they continually spawn clones to do their work.

HGH our only really strong build is getting nerfed. Elixir S one of our few great utility skills is getting nerfed. Grenades maybe our best weapon kits probably is going to get nerfed. Our healing turret will be healing less so basically another nerf since they get destroyed so easily it won’t be around long enough to do much. Gadgets are still useless, flamethrower and turrets issues won’t be fixed and we will be? getting nothing this patch to compensate. Awesome.

I tried medkit which does work but found that I missed cleansing burst. Didn’t realize that vigor didn’t stack though. Think I’ll replace it then.

Been using a new turret spec that I have been doing pretty well with.

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.4.6.0.19.0.13.0.31.0.81.82.86.97.102.6.6.42.0.0.0.0.0.0.261.262.267.271.0.0.291.293.297.0.0.30.10.30

One of the last games I played though I was defending a point against 3 people one of which was a thief heartseeker spammer which accused me of cheating saying that I was rezzing almost instantly even though I never went down. I’m guessing he was referring to automated medical response.

Just thought I would post this though since I have never been accused of cheating and found it funny plus with rumors abound about our HGH spec getting nerfed think its time to try something new.

google.3709:

Very unlikely this build will ever be nerfed. this is the build they want everyone to have. doesnt do too much damage, its 123 simply and not too hard to be killed by thief and mesmers

static discharge builds that offer a bigger damage burst will get a 2-5s internal cool down very soon

This is my bigger fear. I stopped playing HGH awhile ago and been loving SD. Using rams head I have 3 knockdowns and a net along with a couple of cripples and decent burst. Only thing I miss from HGH build is condition removal.

I will say as someone who has complained a lot that I absolutely love my static discharge build. My only complaint is magnet pull and net shot missing or not working so often. Even so between my pull, ram head and overcharged shot I can keep single opponents on there kitten for a decent amount of time while doing some decent damage using SD, blunderbuss, and jump shot. I have control, damage and mobility thanks to prema swiftness and vigor so overall I would say im pretty happy.

I do agree we have a lot of problems and more issues than any other class almost none of which seems to be getting addressed but just don’t think I could quit. Maybe i just like playing underdog. Originally I mainly wanted to play a mesmer but there were just so many of them.

I don’t mind thats its not instant as much as i mind that is doesn’t work so often. Either it doesn’t pull at all it pulls half way.

I love my engineer too but that doesn’t change that several things about the class need work. At the top of my list I would say having crappier watered down versions of others classes skills tool belt skills that are worthless and sacrificing utility slots just to be able to swap weapon skills.

The idea that we are expected to use kits or we are kitten seems to suggest that we should in fact have a kit in the spot of a weapon swap. This way ever engineer gets to use kits without losing utility.

As for the argument that this is the design they choose so that’s just how it is. This is just plain stupid. They change designs constantly. If something doesn’t work or is unbalanced you change it. Screwing us out of 5 skills and giving us nothing for it isn’t balanced.

Atlanis.6597:

Alright, alright.

Listen to this…

what if…

….we turned into a hulk that threw tornadoes?

Eh? Eh? Whaddaya think, boyos?

We need to make this happan.

Engineer isn’t that difficult to play and pretty much all classes have to swap skills for max damage. We are not special in that sense. Many of us quit because we don’t want to be force to lose a utility skill just to weapon swap. Or because our turrets are almost useless. Or our tool belt skills are so often useless.

This Isn’t about dumbing down our profession its about giving us true versatility and more complexity. Also no one is saying anything about a CD on kit swapping for our utility skills. At all.

I have actually been using it a lot lately. Incendiary Ammo is pretty good the knockback is great the blind that can be used when stun is useful and the basic attack is better then people give it credit for. Especially against thieves who try to disappear on me.

I largely rolled an engineer because turrets sounded cool. Imagine my disappointment.

The problem is though that I love the idea of the engineer. Turrets, Kits, Elixirs and shield/pistol combo is just cool. As much fun as everything is though pretty much none of it is up to snuff. I have play most other classes and while they played really well just not as much fun.

So those are my options apparently. Play a useful class that bores me or one i enjoy that is weak and almost useless.

I love the idea of our elixir X turning us into something cool but can’t we get something unique to us and guaranteed to be usefull. I keep thinking a giant Ooze would be cool.

Many of our tool belt skills suck and don’t make up for no weapon swap. Kits are nice but only thing that makes them better then any other classes skills are no cd on swap. That’s still no reason to kitten us on available skills by not giving us a kill swap.

As Orion said there are many issues that need to be resolved and while he doesn’t agree I think giving us two skill sets one being a kit would go a long way to giving us a equal footing compared to other classes.

I made a similar thread asking this.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Just-give-us-weapon-swap/first#post1603389

Basically I suggested we get a weapon swap but only able to use kits. This would allow us the 10 weapon skills every other class gets. I don’t understand how they can penalize us like a elementalist but not give us anything in return.

I love the idea. Only thing is i think being able to pick our turret look would be preferred. Sort of choosing how you want to build your tech.

Where do you find upcoming patches?

Dyeus.6759:

I am going to post 2 builds that I just feel comfortable
Also I found a tpvp build that uses the engineers aoe fire damage.
http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.4.6.0.20.0.2.0.22.0.79.95.87.89.102.4.4.47.230.0.0.246.247.0.0.0.0.272.280.281.289.0.0.10.20.0.30.10
Now this build is fun to play around with. Make sure to have 4x runes of nightmare and 2x runes of lyssa. Basically open with the Incendiary ammo and your pistol skills. Once those are on CD swap to the flamethrower for more aoe fire conditions. From there have fun. The FT is also great for pushbacks when a teammate is getting stomped and how much I love doing damage while in elixir s form.

Absolutely love this build. I gave up on duel pistols because the survivability wasn’t good enough for me and the damage didn’t seem to be anything that amazing unless you got a bunch of stacks of might which isn’t always possible. With this though the Incendiary ammo does very noticeable damage and gives a damage boost to flamethrower I believe. And thanks to flamethower I have a very useful push back and blind helping me to stay alive and stop a stomp.

Also I never said we only have one Kit. I said we should have weapon swap so we can have a base of ten skills let every other class then if we want we can give up utility skills for the extra versatility.

I wouldn’t mind a cd for our weapon swap kit as long as there wasn’t one for kits in the utility slots. And as someone else said I wouldn’t even mind giving up its tool belt skill. I really miss kits though playing elixir builds.

This to me is my biggest problem with engineer. Well one of them. Every other glass gets to pick out 10 different weapon skills and then pick utility skills to complement them. The only other class that doesn’t get weapon swap are elementalist who get 20 skills with one weapon set. To equal that we would have to take up almost every utility slot with kits which usually means a lack of CC or stun-breakers. I suggest we get a weapon swap but only able to equip kits. Except med kit. The weapon swap kit special ability would become F5 and this would allow all engineers to use kits which are suppose to be a big defining feature for us and not force us to lose a utility we really need.

This could be a completely stupid idea but its one that I keep coming back to and i’m interested to see what others think about us not having weapon swap. Maybe i’m way off but as much as I love my engineer I always feel incomplete and missing something no matter what build I use.