Guild Wars 2

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Venom thieves destroy… bad guardians…

guess all guardians are bad then, cause i destroy them all

my warrior destroy dh .. and i dont even use the berserker trait

Ragion.2831:

1. Poor build variety, so many parts of each class not even used

2. Skills glitching with the map or bugged

3. Conditions vastly outperforming power builds

4. Bad PvP system. Newer games have tried pip system and quickly changed it.

5. Terrible interface. We really shouldnt be guessing (or “feeling”) when our skills are off cooldown. I suggested a small progress bar at the bottom of each slot that indicates the time left on the other skill that shares the same slot. Maybe changes colour to when the skill is off cooldown.

6. Still no ingame voice chat system. Honestly there is no excuse for this, there is an MMORPG released in 2009 that has it. I dont think people understand how huge this would be for PvP.

7. Constantly destroying and over buffing classes. I dont understand why this happens
- Guardian used to die to thieves, even S/D thief. Guardian should have been given some sort of mobility impairment skills or buffed the spirit weapons to keep up with base thieves, instea you created a no brain thing like trap dragon hunter that should always kill thieves.

- Constantly nerfing Revenant without fixing the bad stuff like hammer, glitchy skills, Salvation trait line, Ventari, Jalis. No stun break on Mallyx or Ventari. ridiculous heal on ventari.

- Pushing eles to pure support tank then to uselessness then to slightly more manageable uselessness.

Honestly after switching my main from necro to thief then to revenant, I thought if I could still mantain my playstyle on Revenant i would probably stick around despite the foolishness the studio feeds us every patch but after the change to unwavering avoidance after the changes to phase traversal plus the other legends being useless, i think im tired man, its been 4 years of this anti-progress nonsense.

It really sucks because i got invited to a team and was serously considering it, maybe even appearing on ESL but after this patch there is no way.

you are bad ..venom thieves now destroys guardian…
there’s actually a lot of build that works, it just that people doesn’t want to try them.

not sure whats the problem..my venom thief literally destroying everyone, don’t use the guild wars 2 forum to get opinions, play with different build and judge it by yourself..despite many build and video i’ve shown where i literally kill people left and right 1 v 1..people will still complain.

its probably a low level necro.. you never know

warrior is not that weak..i’ve been winning my ranked games already

emkelly.2371:

my biggest problem was getting them bellow 90% health. i was really enjoying the build until i ran into that ele and saw “immune” pop up constantly.

your sword 1 or gs 1 chain should be able to get them lower than 90% health and then when the opportunity comes you have to hit the burst correctly.

second video is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MciEs7h0PO0&feature=youtu.be

I’m not sure if this build is viable, but i had so much success with it on spvp, can’t wait to try it on league.

I had to fast forward it so it can render faster.

emkelly.2371:

Did you have any trouble against ele’s with diamond armor? i did.

in my experience, against ele i just put the pressure into them and use the burst combo i stated above once after baited their stun break. if you can pull it off properly they should be at 20% hp

i think in my other video i had a scene where i fought an ele..still rendering though

i got 2 more video to post.

Hi guys.. I am here to explain this build that I’ve been using for this past few weeks, it is really fun to play and the mobility is great. The burst is also insane if you can hit it.

so here is the build :
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAsfRnMdAVhgldAehAElilsATpGk6SBIDuCQA49zOaTtA-TpRAwAKOEAAeAA72fYzRAgcZgAnAAA

This build is great in spvp because of the mobility and torch 5 + sword 2 is a great way to start combat.
The key here is to keep pressuring your opponent with torch 5 and sword auto attack chain, and after you see them burn their stun break, proceed with the combo

combo: make sure you do this combo when berserk is off cool down, because you will be using berserk to stun break off your headbutt.

headbutt, berserk, flaming flurry, weapon swap, hundred blades, whirlwind, bull rush, arc divider.

You should be able to do this combo under 5 second.

As a warrior, you should be able to pressure them with torch 5 and sword auto attack chain. Endure pain and berserker stance are there so that you have you can put pressure into them without having to worry about your defenses.

Pros:
- fun to play.
- very mobile.
- its actually pretty durable, i rarely died.
- High burst
- nice CC from headbutt and bullrush.
- pretty good 300 radius AOE
- solo svanir/chieftain with ease with the burst combo.

Cons:
- Not a good build for duels. I tried this build on duels and usually what happen is that i win the first match, but then my opponent changed their utilities/traits to more condi cleanse and this build isn’t that great when you go against an opponent with 10x condi cleanse ( Although it is still possible to beat them if you hit your headbutt at the right time and do your burst combo nicely )
- pure melee.
- requires some practice on the burst combo.
- Bull rush and sword 2 sometimes did not hit their target, especially if they are on higher elevation ( bugs perhaps )

here is a video on how this build works (I will update and put more video in the future)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdTyuCe9Mcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MciEs7h0PO0&feature=youtu.be

judging from the recent buff, it looks like the devs want to create berserker as a hybrid condi/power spec.

hybrid is what this spec were meant to be.

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

cakeonroof.7385:

Lavexis.5360:

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.

endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.

and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.

Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.

let me sort out your fail logic

Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..

you are kittened..

just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH

what so hard about that

berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.

update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.

This has little to do with DH 1v1 but more about warriors esp berserker trait needing a buff so it synergizes with the remaining traits, and weapon skills.

As of now, berserker isn’t rewarding to the player for as much effort it takes to make it function.

You cant base your argument on hotjoin or a couple low tier unranked matches vs the experience of veteran warriors (not me I’m average) on this thread

i don’t play hotjoin.. I play unranked, and its definitely not low mmr. Either way, even if its low mmr..it doesn’t take much to play reaper or dragon hunter.

its your problem if you don’t know when is the right time to pop endure pain, and i agree that berserker spec needed some buff, but that doesn’t mean warrior as a whole class is weak.

for warrior timing is very crucial, and if you suc at it then don’t play warrior.

that’s definitely low MMR…medium at max for being generous

just admit it that you are bad..heres another screenie of a warrior going against 2 reaper, 1 dh and 1 chronomancer (premade) yet still win the match

all of these guys are rank 80 so stop with the whole bullkitten " you go against nub crap"

l2p

what…what makes a rank 80 automatically a top MMR..
now rank 80 is so easy…if there were unlimited ranks, i would already be like 500 rank…

any way, im up for duels anytime since you called it

Salamander.2504:

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

cakeonroof.7385:

Lavexis.5360:

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.

endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.

and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.

Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.

let me sort out your fail logic

Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..

you are kittened..

just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH

what so hard about that

berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.

update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.

This has little to do with DH 1v1 but more about warriors esp berserker trait needing a buff so it synergizes with the remaining traits, and weapon skills.

As of now, berserker isn’t rewarding to the player for as much effort it takes to make it function.

You cant base your argument on hotjoin or a couple low tier unranked matches vs the experience of veteran warriors (not me I’m average) on this thread

i don’t play hotjoin.. I play unranked, and its definitely not low mmr. Either way, even if its low mmr..it doesn’t take much to play reaper or dragon hunter.

its your problem if you don’t know when is the right time to pop endure pain, and i agree that berserker spec needed some buff, but that doesn’t mean warrior as a whole class is weak.

for warrior timing is very crucial, and if you suc at it then don’t play warrior.

that’s definitely low MMR…medium at max for being generous

Out of curiosity, how can you tell?

the player base in this game is so small, if you’ve been on high MMR long enough you would know by simply looking at the players..

and saying people who are rank 80 = good, he really knows nothing better lol…

this argument is really bad.. show me who your queueing against, and i bet you that they are low mmr too. I queued against professional players before, so in the end it really doesn’t matter.

and this game doesn’t have low population, if this game has low population then i should know you by now..but i don’t, so your argument is stupid.

Julie Yann.5379:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Choppy.4183:

Tzozef.9841:

The problem is that people developed a sheep-mentally and try to make Berserker work with the previous Meta pre-HoT, and if it’s not compatible they whine and say it doesn’t work.

Soooooo…. how about you post some links and/or footage of these new, non-sheep builds in action?

The statment is just wrong. It’s not about trying to make berserker work in the previous Meta. Rather looking to slot berserker into previously played warrior roles.

Before you make a build, you decide on a roll. “Warriors” are hurting with their elite spec because it doesnt appear to work for old roles, and if you can’t find a role to work in you’re just not in the game -_-u.

Roaming DPS is all I know on both vanilla war and Berserker. Roaming DPS is one role at least that Berserker can be used for. Question is, can it work in any other roles?

The real problem at the moment is whatever role you try to fill, whether vanilla or berserker, some other class can do it much much better. Basically, if you run warrior you a pretty much a liability to your team.

I disagree with this.. here is why

Warrior has better CC than revenant
Warrior is actually more mobile than most other classes
rampage warrior can still hit like a truck and can even do 2 v 1
warrior can absorb hits and triggering those guardian traps and necro wells to save our fellow thief/mesmers/guardians are always nice
banner warrior is still viable and can help a ton.

i really think that berserker is a hybrid power/condi spec, everything about rage skills and berserker trait just scream out hybrid power/condi to me.

choovanski.5462:

https://youtu.be/EedZ5kFAvSw

this video has great tips.

my personal advice is don’t play warrior, the class is pants right now.

it should be easy for warrior

1. use endure pain to bait the trap.
2. shield slam – AA chain
3. rampage

base warrior is not that bad, just kind of hard to play.

berserker spec on the other hand is a bit weaker than the other spec and need a bit of buff.

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

cakeonroof.7385:

Lavexis.5360:

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.

endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.

and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.

Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.

let me sort out your fail logic

Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..

you are kittened..

just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH

what so hard about that

berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.

update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.

This has little to do with DH 1v1 but more about warriors esp berserker trait needing a buff so it synergizes with the remaining traits, and weapon skills.

As of now, berserker isn’t rewarding to the player for as much effort it takes to make it function.

You cant base your argument on hotjoin or a couple low tier unranked matches vs the experience of veteran warriors (not me I’m average) on this thread

i don’t play hotjoin.. I play unranked, and its definitely not low mmr. Either way, even if its low mmr..it doesn’t take much to play reaper or dragon hunter.

its your problem if you don’t know when is the right time to pop endure pain, and i agree that berserker spec needed some buff, but that doesn’t mean warrior as a whole class is weak.

for warrior timing is very crucial, and if you suc at it then don’t play warrior.

that’s definitely low MMR…medium at max for being generous

just admit it that you are bad..heres another screenie of a warrior going against 2 reaper, 1 dh and 1 chronomancer (premade) yet still win the match

all of these guys are rank 80 so stop with the whole bullkitten " you go against nub crap"

l2p

Don’t worry op..I still think that thief is a pretty strong class.

though i don’t mind if anet buff us, just pretend to complain like all of us here so we get attention !

cakeonroof.7385:

Lavexis.5360:

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.

endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.

and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.

Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.

let me sort out your fail logic

Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..

you are kittened..

just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH

what so hard about that

berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.

update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.

This has little to do with DH 1v1 but more about warriors esp berserker trait needing a buff so it synergizes with the remaining traits, and weapon skills.

As of now, berserker isn’t rewarding to the player for as much effort it takes to make it function.

You cant base your argument on hotjoin or a couple low tier unranked matches vs the experience of veteran warriors (not me I’m average) on this thread

i don’t play hotjoin.. I play unranked, and its definitely not low mmr. Either way, even if its low mmr..it doesn’t take much to play reaper or dragon hunter.

its your problem if you don’t know when is the right time to pop endure pain, and i agree that berserker spec needed some buff, but that doesn’t mean warrior as a whole class is weak.

for warrior timing is very crucial, and if you suc at it then don’t play warrior.

lighter.2708:

Lavexis.5360:

not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.

endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.

and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.

Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.

let me sort out your fail logic

Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..

you are kittened..

just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH

what so hard about that

berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.

update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.

not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.

endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.

and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.

wow, so many complaints…

just use rampage.. and you will beat all the new elite spec class, even dragon hunter

ragnarokda.1805:

Lavexis.5360:

the problem with thieves is that.. they can’t do anything against wells, traps and medi guardians (condi thief might have higher chances against them though).

While classes like warrior can just use endure pain and berserker stance so that he can tank the wells and traps for his team. Mesmer also can use illusion to trigger those wells and traps.

Thief literally has nothing against wells and traps. D/D thieves can vault and dodge around, but once he land on that stacked traps and wells..hes done for, but classes like warrior can just stand on it for a few second.

They can… Not stand in them? No good player is going to stand in that crap even WITH immunities. Why would they waste those cooldowns on something repositioning could handle?

you forget that this is conquest game..

you play a thief and you go far and then you see a necro trying to cap their home and place well on the point.

what are you going to do ?

idk about you, but i found out that dh is actually weak against other ranged classes like long bow/ gs ranger. Warrior is also another good contender since they can use endure pain to waste 3 of their trap utilities bar. p/p thief maybe if you can ambush them.

the problem with thieves is that.. they can’t do anything against wells, traps and medi guardians (condi thief might have higher chances against them though).

While classes like warrior can just use endure pain and berserker stance so that he can tank the wells and traps for his team. Mesmer also can use illusion to trigger those wells and traps.

Thief literally has nothing against wells and traps. D/D thieves can vault and dodge around, but once he land on that stacked traps and wells..hes done for, but classes like warrior can just stand on it for a few second.

I have 3 favorite ranged build that i use from time to time in pvp:
1. Ranger long bow/ gs
2. thief p/p
3. Warrior rifle.

i haven’t really tried DH, but ranger long bow with druid trait for sustain and the new pet is really strong.

Scrimschaw.5784:

Gabriell.4856:

Scrimschaw.5784:

Gabriell.4856:

How come the ranger don’t have reduced stats?

We do. Our weapon damage is lower than other classes.

I really don’t see it on LB and GS. Actually, I don’t see it on any of their weapons.

How come conditions applied by ranger hit for the same amount as other classes?

If you don’t see it, I would suggest looking on the GW2 wiki for the actual numbers and compare them to other classes. You are the one seeking this information, after all. You can also check DPS calculations made by guilds such as Death and Taxes (DnT), which are very reliable.

If you are having trouble fighting rangers:

GS has especially low damage—its only burst skill has a giant bear appear over the Ranger’s head, which is an easy tell.

Longbow has higher damage to make up for pet travel time, since pet pathing is incredibly poor. Longbow is also counterable by projectile reflection and destruction, turning its higher damage against the ranger in many cases. It is also weaker in close range.

Ranger mainhand sword has the highest autoattack damage, but a Ranger sacrifices his/her ability to dodge during much of the autoattack chain. The two evades on Ranger sword have significant cast times.

Condition damage remains the same for Rangers as other classes. Rangers’ ability to apply damaging conditions is weaker than many other classes (for example, elementalist, engineer, guardian have MUCH stronger condition application/sustain) and many condition skills require significant setups (traps, spirits, bonfire). Watch for these setups and avoid traps. If you can’t avoid triggering a trap, don’t stand in it. Kill spirits with cleaving when possible.

If you are having difficulties dealing with pet damage, I would suggest strafing. Pets are rooted when they attack and you can walk out of their attacks easily.

If you are still having trouble fighting Rangers, the only solution is more practice. Perhaps try playing as a Ranger for a while. You will find that there is nothing that Rangers offer that is not counterable by basic strategic play.

fighting druid is another story though, because they have so many sustain, that it just better to gank them than fighting them 1 v1 for hours..

though you could always go berserker warrior and use rampage for massive cc and damage.

hate.3195:

Lavexis.5360:

870k dps as gs/axe shield marauder warrior..

I don’t think that is little

?
congrats but 1 match means nothing sry

ok do you want me to screenie other matches where i did more than 500k dps as warrior?

this is a joke, even if i show you tons of other screenie you will still making some other excuses… warriors can do damage.

this post is l2p issue

870k dps as gs/axe shield marauder warrior..

I don’t think that is little

I’m playing d/d venom condi thief, p/p and s/d. yet i’m destroying people and win most of my games left and right..

Of course my opponent must be bad right?

shortbow is probably a must have cause of its versatility..but d/p isn’t.
granted, i did win some matches without shortbow before by using s/p p/p zerker, but i think if you are new to thief then you need shortbow.

everything on forum is just an opinion. It is true that gs/axe shield can beat d/d ele. I myself won some fights against d/d ele from axe auto attacks. Hammer/gs can also beat d/d ele.

The problem here is not the game balance, but people mind set in general. People in forum will always say that all d/d ele that got beaten by warrior is bad.

If you want an answer to your question, go queue for unranked spvp or wvw and then test it yourself.

some people prefer that gear grind. Those people prefer killing other players that don’t have the gears to do so, because it gives them satisfaction for all the hard work they done.

Another reason would be LAS (Limited Action Set). when i first tried out gw 2, I really don’t like how i can only use 3 utility skills out of all 15+ choices, it always felt like my character isn’t progressing. Takes awhile for me to get used to the whole LAS thing and just be on with it.

rennlc.7346:

I think this actually exists. One of the dev’s linked to the website when a player made a post lamenting a loss streak of 10-15+ games.

do you know whats the website?

the OP just posted this to prove that you can kill someone else while full stealth, its not about the opponent.

this forum only consist of 10% of the player base..maybe even less.

you should’ve seen d/d venom condi thief burst. If you have no condi cleanse or on cd, you can get instagib in literally 1 second.

p/p is great and its all about positioning more than anything..

use 3 escape utility skills and don’t blow your unload willy nilly.
you are not d/p so positioning is key.

p/p is also ranged.
i taught someone about the p/p build yesterday and he said he won more match with it than his d/p set.

Tiffany.8576:

P/P thieves are only good for catching you off-guard at the start. Then when everyone realizes you’re playing P/P, you’ll spend the rest of the game in downstate. At least, this is how it should work.

P/P damage was buffed recently, but they weren’t really unused due to their lack of damage before. They weren’t particularly viable due to their lack of survivability and the fact that most other classes/specs brought more to the table, which hasn’t really changed. You’ll see them for a little whilst people are still trying out the buffs, but not much beyond.

that might be the case but if you are able to get their attention then you have created space..

as a p/p thief you should have 3 escape utility skills such as shadow step, refuge or something else.

so you can easily escape from them and go back to the fight.

Crinn.7864:

ok I figured out how he did it. Still not sure how to fight it other than have the world’s most amazing reaction time.
http://i.imgur.com/WjAsEih.gif

Like shoot I played a burst Vanguard in SWTOR and thought I’d seen it all when it came to burst, but kitten .

Erindriel.2351:

What amulet are you using? Thieves are probably the sole reason berserker amulet is non-viable.

I was experimenting with a marauder amulet for that match.

i recommend you this build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAqaVlsMhunYpTw8Jw/EH7ElfJ2irYHA1WbyPhNoEA-TZBEwAGOBAAOEAZLDQ4JA8b/BA

just learn how to position yourself and use unload – steal – unload or double unload from their back

p/p is really good..the thief forum people are just too oblivious.

i have a p/p video before the unload buff where i just literally wreck people left and right. After the unload buff now you don’t need to spec for executioner, so you can just go for shadow arts.

for those of you who are interested…
this is the build that i use

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAqaVlsMhunYpTw8Jw/EHIFlPGCieg3ABwCsjyNbKB-TZBEwAGOBAAOEAZLDQ4JA8b/BA

the basic combo is basi venom – unload – steal – unload then you should be able to wreck them.

you have enough utility to get out from fights.

i agree that p/p is very squishy and lack escape, but i think people really underestimate hasted unload with basilisk venom..it is not that easy to dodge, especially in 3v3 fights when people tying to contest a point they probably won’t see it coming.

and if the p/p thief is good with positioning, he can rack up many kills in a matter of seconds.

if all else fail, then you do have a secondary weapon set..

p/p is ridiculous now..with basilisk venom and daze on steal i can easily kill d/p thieves and even guardians.

sure a lot of people say its weak right now because no one uses it, but wait until people started using it and then you will see a lot of cancer posts on the forum.

like i post above 584k damage dealt is more than half a million.. i made a lot of dps characters in gw 2 for spvp and none of them reach that number, not even close.

just won 6 match in a row with p/p

win ranked matches with p/p
win duels with p/p
500k dps in a match with p/p
able to 2 shot a necro with p/p

I’m glad that people say its still weak.

please buff pistol more dev..ill be waiting for that day

they need to have a better pvp stats progression.
as of now we literally cant find out about whats going on and what went wrong.

Iconik.8712:

OK. Tried this out, but not his build. All you really need is Ankle Shots and the rest is just the psuedo-meta flying around since the patch. It’s actually kind of fun. You most definitely can mow people down but forget 1v1’s. You really shine in a teamfight. Approach the match a little differently than you’re used to and you can actually have some fun with this build.

yes everything else is just gravy, the whole thing about this thread is that p/p is not dead its actually stronger.

people need to get out of meta more and be flexible, i got 12 wins in ranked match with it.

babazhook.6805:

Volrath.1473:

Question: You have not one single trick equipped, yet you took the Trickster trait, why?!
you are running with 4 deception and one venom, trickster trait dos nothing for you…

well he does have flanking strikes but I would consider at least one more such as RFI. RFI woks very well in a p/p set.

yea you can change the heal to withdraw and use roll for initiative for more tricks. You have a lot of space to be flexible.

another video from another player about the p/p

glad to see some ppl starting to agree with me!

credit to Shammsize
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwo4QhWBqyg

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQFQVlsMhunYpTw8Jw/EHwE1OQ/gB1HGxRboTgAIDA-TpgSABAs/ArlBAA

heres the build.
You have a lot of room to mix and match here, but i think shadow refuge and shadow step are must have. Get trickster to get more condi removal. You can use d/p, shortbow, s/d or w.e as your secondary weapon set. Revealed training to do high unload damage after stealth.

Just to let you know though, people already hate thief and i assure you that they will hate you even more knowing that you use p/p…
i don’t know why but i got a lot of hate msgs from using p/p even though i beat them
saying
" nub pistol teef "
" nub 3 3 3 "
" l2 play d/p "

i guess its the fact that they lost against a really bad set makes them angry, not sure but i think there is a psychology theme about this.

maybe ill screenie something later on

Nolimitz.9467:

the fact that you post hotjoin trash vids is misinformation on P/P viability. P/P was trash, is trash and will still be trash unless it’s skills changes fundamentally. PVE , sPvP, and WvW it underperforms compared to other sets. Post some actual ranked matches where you are effective and then maybe you have an argument. The fact still remains that utility wise the set is trash. I can’t even believe people mained P/P holy kitten.

post like these are kittened..so do i have to show you that i click on “Ranked matches” get some 1 v 1 in it while at the same time hotkey my buttons to prove to you that p/p is usefull ?

fyi these are not hotjoin..these are ranked matches..if this is hotjoin there would be a leaver already.

the mentality… lol
you do know those d/p and s/p videos you watches are mostly montages right?
i mean i can hotkey my buttons and show you some nice scenes where i kill engis, wars, guardians, eles in 1 v 1..
but whats the point in that? what i’m showing you are the potential damage that p/p can do right now..

wondra.5629:

The OP is trolling, isnt he?
P/P completely is trash now. Why? Simply because of no ricochet AoE, noticed how “flood battlefield with minions”-type of builds became popular recently in sPvP? Very often you meet 3+ of those builds in enemy team,with nercos and mesmers spamming pets and illusions it is not rare to see 20+ targets in combat. All of them blocking your unloads.
Ricochet would be decent counter to this …but oh wait, it was “accidentally” removed. I am not fan of conspiratorial theories, but nerfing thieves survivability along with AoE potential on same patch as buffing mesmers proved disastrous for thieves in my opinion.
As for unload doing a little bit more damage, yes, it is true, on the other hand other classes received much greater buff to damage and you received survivability nerf. It is nice to see 4k/unload, totalling 12k burst damage, but dont forget for example lich does 9k with single auto-attack and has triple effective HP you do.
What ranged thief needs is AoE and range back along with reliable “ranged” stealth – so far we got only single skill on 40s cooldown.

you comparing it to lich which is like an elite skill …really?
if you want aoe – shortbow is the set for it, P/P is there for single target.

I agree with you on nerfing thieves potential while buffing mesmer, mesmer is pretty strong right now.

But p/p is definitely not trash.
and no im not trolling, like i said before.
I win my matches
win some 1 v 1 and even some 2 v 1 with it.

do i have to show duel montages… lol

babazhook.6805:

Ausfer.1853:

When I played P/P I relied on Riccochet for the damage boost, and for the extra healing from Signet of Malice. With no Riccochet, that signet is nowhere near as strong now, and hurts a lot of the p/p thief survivibility.

I also relied on Acrobatics since P/P lacks good mobility or escape potential. And oh look, the Acrobatics trait line is absolutely terrible now, too.

And pistol mastery has been reduced to only doing bonus damage while the target is crippled, so p/p does less single target damage now, too.

So now, p/p thieves can’t tag more than one target, can’t reach as far, can’t heal as well, can’t dodge as well, and can’t hit its main as hard, and does much less damage overall.

Sorry, but p/p is dead. OP is trying to make the best out of a ruined weapon set, but the usefulness or viability just isn’t there anymore.

no P/P does considerably more damage now against single target. Range is the same if you trait ankle shots. Against single targetHeal is higher off IP due to the higher damage output. You can generally pull in 1000+ heal on an unload in WvW prior to any heal from SOM..

There was no possible way to take to IP and assassins reward old build and still get Ricochet. You can now trait for assassins reward if you wish and IP and a full 6 trickery. You can also trait for some decent condition removal with trickster.

People keep talking about the loss 0f 10 percent damage unless target crippled. Come on we all know old PP relied on unload. Unload itself got a 5 percent boost to damage due to baseline boost to Dual wield. We have an overall power boost without having to trait in DA for power with power boosts in all weapon/armor sets used in a power build along with the baseline attribute boost.

We can take another 10 percent on top of that with uber high ferocity out of the CS line AND take executioner for another boost 20 percent boostand another 10 percent of that third minor enroute to executioner. (when i trait NQ over IP from CS line my crit damage pushes 250 percent)

It was simply impossible to get more single target damage on the old PP set.

yea you got it right. Unfortunately not a lot of people broaden their mind and test it themselves, so they get influenced by negative information’s from the forum.