Guild Wars 2

siniaq.5628:

Try to fight in www more than 1 hour/week and maybe you’ll understand what www is about.
Then come back here and discuss is.
Cheers!

P.S.: This is not another topic about Piken Square as i saw posts describing this server

Posting clueless must mandatory once you reach tire 1-2. Ilesyt here that posted originally has lead as commander for MANY HOURS a day, for months, not to mention time played, i doubt you even know someone who played and accomplished as much.

Not to mention that after several post, you are still too dense to get it: there are not enough people ON THE kittenING SERVER, not on the guild. We’re more or less in the 7th tire and can’t really cover all maps in prime time, just imagine those in lower, and at odd times.

No, this is not about Piken Square

Ascii.9726:

If you don’t learn simple coordination and communication tactics now, you will never move up the rankings. This change now forces servers to interact more with each other to progress, it is called World vs World after all and not Group vs Group.

If your against a system like that you shouldn’t be in WvW in the first place.

I LOVE how people in top tire talk down on the rest of the plebs, it brings worm to my heart and on the forum, specially since they have no clue of what they talk about. No, we don’t hit eachother with stones on lower tires, and most of us can read the map chat !!, and omg, there is here and there maybe a voice chat for all the server to use, a forum, and i’ve heard of people forming squads and talking yellow somehow.

Change is good, intention is admirable, but >> THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE << on lower tires, that would be the argument, and one size doesn’t fit all. Maybe is best idea ever on servers who run 1h long queue, but not so much for the rest.

People don’t defend uncontested objectives by design , because is no fun to sit around doing nothing in a game. Until now when you saw white swords you knew you could go with your 3 man group and defend it, and when you saw orange swords at the keep you knew there is something serious going on. Now is “guess the zerg” lottery, and i doubt it will do any good, but i guess we’ll see.

I can see this as an attempt to force people to split into smaller groups ( of scouts ) but 25 is too high imho, you can probably experience cooling with less people then that :P

Yeah, it’s normal to tease, and taking shinies from uw is … beautiful, may hurt the score a bit, but is such fun.

But let’s not consume all the love, we have at least one more week of fun to come, and i ACTUALLY like the clean fights, the tire, and a bit of forum drama.

Misha.7302:

>kabeo.9638

I’m with great please will push you up and back ‘Whiteside Ridge’ – they’re played much more honest, though stronger than Vabbi or Fissure of Woe

You will get Arborstone, don’t worry they are nice, but still stronger i think.

Yeah, it’s a shame game didn’t balance population wise free transfers or not. I’ll bump this in hope those people bored in queues up in the tires find this and decide to get involved.

GL to both FOW and Vabbi gathering enough people to make it even.

Atlanis.1473:

Well go RoS Bl next time, just cause you need a base for your accusations.

To the rest of RoS, don’t feel offended, this was aimed at the whiney bunch here on the forum.

Keva Windrift [Rain]

Oh noes, please no RoS BG, we grow flowers there, and there’s peace and panda bears, we haven’t got invaders from uw there since ….. i even don’t remember, there are CHILDREN playing in our keeps now, please, no war. /sarcasm

Numbers are the same mate, BG is a choice, if you’ll be here, you will lose elsewhere.

To all those people that seem not to get it: we took garrison in prime time from a server that outnumber us, not at night from a door. That being said, EB still feels odd, like we’re fighting both servers more then we should.

On top of this we’re in some kind of score deadlock, meaning we’ll get to do this again next week. I do hope for a “spring” pve event to see UW dropping to it’s natural tire, but alas, we may see wvw3 patch soon. I don’t hold anything against ze germans, doing what they could.

Some good points, some mindless AOE zerling:

Siege is fine as is. They do not need any buffs.

Defense is broken siege wise, if you put yours out of harm way you will have some interesting camera angles to experience, and if you want to see/cover good area, you will get destroyed. The fact that you can shoot up better then you can shoot down is flawed as well.

This “i better fight in the open then in tower” mentality leads to zergs flipping towers like camps, no strategy, no upgrades, no siege, nothing. IMHO, there is a very simple first step in the right direction, remove player damage to doors (then restriction targeting from the walls, etc ). But this is the main reason why siege is not working, 50 people hitting a door and melting it in under 1 minute leaves no time to react, has no need for siege and it’s ultimate kitten

Here’s my wishes:
- fix the WELL KNOWN, probably VERY EASY TO FIX map bugs ( invulnerability spots, places where you can get inside the blue keep spots, etc. ALREADY !!

• calm now:
  - thieve stealth rework ( read NERF!!@@ ), mesmer’s confusion, and general downstate abilities balance.
  - culling
  - remove the players ability to damage doors ( keep/tower, etc )
  - make walls height count as range for players abilities ( substract for people shooting up, add for those shooting down ) or make whatever advantage for people standing on walls and maybe scale it with upgrades.
  - commander icon to at least reflect if he needs more or not.

- vanity: make some intermediate titles available before i get old killing my 1 mil dolyak or whatever.

Heh, yeah, some good fights. I have yet to fight Arborstone outside a very very random encounter, since FR is always keeping me busy.

Heh, it’s hard to “disengage”. Sniper ram positioning is what makes me facepalm ( also it’s conter-part, extreme close range trebuchet ).

1. No, server population overall is important, if high enough there will be people playing both at prime time and at odd hours. You can log at what times is best for you.

2. Vabbi is one of the lowest populated servers, and it doesn’t look it will do better in this aspect for a while. I would recommend a profession with great escape capabilities since you will be solo/unmanned a lot of time ( thieve, elementalist ). Also, try to not go solo , find a buddy to roam, things are more easy this way.

People who wvw on vabbi will be happy to have you, ask around on the map, you will get more answers then on the forum ( or join a guild ).

DarthWanderer.2691:

ha, i had to laugh when i saw the next week predictions guys it seems you will have to bring a shovel when looking for Ilesyt’s ego next week after his constant boasting last few matches… Pikens and Abadons will give you a lesson of humility which you prolly deserve

The score doesn’t reflect what’s in the field, EB was all balanced the whole evening, and some of the best fighting was going on (with some good moves/saves on Ilesyt part) and i dislike people taking on our commanders without having a clue.

Second “the prediction” are flawed, Anet didn’t reveal the new math for matchmaking, i doubt we’ll go up more then 2 tires.

Third, we don’t have any queue whatsoever in prime time, if we go against super-full servers we’ll lose, but to equal numbers we can stand our ground.

And lastly, i will venture a prediction as well: as soon as GH will lose badly to one of the full servers xaoc along with other “win or go” types will leave and you’ll go back to 8th tire dropping vabbi style.

Good day

Thanks for the update. I’m not a big fan of “big updates” and i would rather see things implemented as they are ready in small patches ( sure, save that rewards for progression thingy for publicity purpose, but them “polishes” i would rather see them implemented ASAP.

I think the number of players varies according to server winning or losing, people mostly involved in PVE will join if they think their server is on top of things, likewise will not stay to see their server lose ( and i think this goes for every server, with more dramatic changes on those with high PvE population like UW).

I can’t understand the bitterness/drama in some of the above posts, it has so far been a clean good fight, RoS scoring big points because Blacktide is much weaker then UW was, so given the population per map the same, pressure is now more on RoF then it was a week ago.

I am a fan of this rating reset, scoring was predictable without it, this looks like a ton of fun, ( and going against different servers is so much fun i’ll agree to random matchups over rating any time ).

I wanna be the first one to congratulate you on reaching the first tire in EU, you lucky kittens

If all servers start fresh, i don’t see anybody with a clearer jump to first place, it will be fun ( to watch ). Chilling in tire 1, fun stuff.

Seems my intuition in the post above worked just fine. As expected, we got outnumbered by UW at some point , but overall we’re doing fine. We may have a lower player base then other servers, but the wvw presence is great.

It’s clear to see that after a week of onesided BG’s and forum drama all sides are enjoying the fight. I don’t know if this post made someone come to RoS, but if it did i know he’s not regretting it. May we have fun and clean fights !

I almost know them all by now, but it’s still nice to have, thank you. If only i had this a few month ago :P

Could not said it better then Ilesyt. For those commenting out of the lowest tire, you just cannot imagine how sparsely populated Vabbi and FoW are in terms of wvw, and that’s why the current matchup looks like this. Once we tire up you will see we’re not that many.

RoS began with a long history of being badly outnumbered and desperate battles, and this time we finally have a healthy wvw population, so don’t mistake healthy for massive. I have only encounter queue once for 2 minutes (yes, my first), and that was on a very situational map.

It is a good community, and if you will see us winning, it will not be the numbers, but organisation. A word on the guilds that joined us: yes, they are as good and as friendly as any server would hope to welcome, we were the lucky ones.

This topic is not about getting the numbers to roflstomp our way into the high tires, is an extended hand for people and guilds wvw orientated that look for a place to settle and call home. I don’t believe we’ll tire up more then twice, and i don’t think we’ll have much if any queue, but we’ll do great in wvw, it will be a good server to be in.

As stated throughout this week on various posts, this is an odd moment for your server ( due to free transfer ending thingy ). People usually in wvw may be in vacation mode for the week, but things will get better tomorrow. Whiteside will probably not put this kind of pressure and you will have a good fight.

I’m bumping this because FoW and Vabbi are in desperate need of players to ballance the last tire ( and by ballance i mean make fighting fun for everyone ). FoW has lots of spirit and i am sure you will do well in the future, don’t let the last weeks turn you down.

They are not a large group of people and they are doing their best. I think wvwvw was not a high priority, but the time for changes is coming, and that is a good sign. They also said somewhere balance changes will take “babysteps” so nothing radical will happen.

I play a warrior , and i’m not much of a aoer myself, there are probably many professions variety that do little aoe, not only thieves and rangers. From my point of view, less aoe, more siege focus, and that means more strategy. There isn’t anywhere suggested that achievement progression will be deleted, they will improve on the system.

About zergs … it’s simple , join lower tire servers, and you will get tired of small encounters, or just avoid them, i don’t thinks camps get taken by zergs in higher tires.
This is still the best game in it’s genre out there, there is no “going to greener pasture”.

Finally, my own personal rant: buff bow rangers, nerf stealth abusing thieves! ( i had elaborate this in other topics, just thought to add here the super short version) .

CrassBippy.4619:

If anything this shows you just how abusive stealth can be

^^ This. While some of the points about revives are true, let’s fix thieves stealth abuse first, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD don’t call all the thieves skilled just because they are invisible. An aside invisibility, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

For those wondering romanian players we have a nice little guild there, in the original guilds section, i’m sure you’ll spot it. We’re heavy wvw orientated, we have voice and we accept mature players with same interests.

Other then this “no more free transfers” recruitment frenzy, from the perspective of an “original” player the changes on RoS look good and we will have interesting times ahead.

After this recruiting frenzy, here i am as well. RoS would welcome you, you will not jump tire, hopefully not gonna have to fight FoW again, and you already know lots of the guilds ( as opponents until now ). The community is very nice old and new alike and we now have the numbers to face the battles ahead.

I know there are people from us closer to your guild, but i thought it would be nice to extend the welcome on the forums as well. Whatever you chose good luck !

Well, from what i see in the guilds, i think less then half if the wvwvw population of Surmia is active on the maps, people usually do other things (fractals, pve, exploring). However, points are visible whatever you do, so the more points we lose, the more will come (what Ilesyt said in not so many words).

I would not go and call RoS high populated, we may have a more active wvwvw presence, but it’s far away from high. The sooner you get rid of us, the better, witch makes fighting this week a bit pointless.

And @ Amen, RoS was never dead ( maybe a bit dazed in the days of Drakkar Lake or Dzagonur invasions )

In those topics it’s so easy to spot the thieves it’s stupid. For me, a non thieve, it’s simple, ressing in steath and for some seconds after should not be possible and also what victory said, stealth should bring you to walking speed not mach 2. That should fix it, thanks.

Large amount of people transferring for easy win, i bet the attitude would be different here if 29 january didn’t come, hope being they get stuck here and have to fight for this server [forever].

The vabbi adventure, the +695 points recruitment posts just to lose in the end, the flying mesmers, and transferring hundreds of people once a week with no concern for local balance speaks for them.

I don’t really mind, we need more “international” guilds up there fighting the national enclaves, a warm goodbye from RoS, hopefully we’ll see each other again soon.

Since you’ve been gone 2 months you probably missed how things evolve in the last tire. Do not despair, FoW is a nice server, a bit on the unmanned side, but nice. The Xaoc intrusion is responsible for what you see now.

It’s much more boring on RoS, cose you don’t have what to do, you have 4 maps of green to chose from, i have chased flags yesterday for 30 minutes and log off. Much can still happen until january 28th, but i hope things will stay the same on RoS and we leave this tire for good.

You had help this week ( certain guild from RoS ) but this "1 of us worth 4 of you " attitude is wrong, you accomplish things in zerg just like everyone else, just that you only can make one and in prime time. Also i think skill is equal on all servers, numbers and server loyalty counting more.

Even if RoS and Vabbi brake away from this tire, servers that get pushed down also outnumber you.

I would go recruiting with “FoW needs your help” rather then this, but i don’t seem to understand people lately, it may be me.

Peace from a “native” RoS

Selling the siege and trying to sugarcoat it, that’s precious. WvWvW it’s about server loyalty, and you pretend you don’t get it. You want to take away in a place you are supposed to give. If you are not interested in your server welfare/ranking, stick to spvp, you will have more PERSONAL REWARDS there. If you come to WvWvW, it’s about the whole community, and you are not helping.

Fortunately, on lower ranks this is unheard off, probably because on those servers if you don’t do something yourself, there is none to do it for you, and the siege you get, you use.

To answer the question: siege THAT you sell is helping the server, YOU are not.

Demannu.2805:

Vabbi Alliance recruiting +695 income!

That was obviously when everyone is sleeping, other then that you are 10k points behind in this weekend. Don’t know what night/morning crew you got, but you lose in prime time.

If that’s a recruitment stunt to get people looking for a easy win joining, it’s not going to work, people that fall for such thing don’t usually stay and fight.

I am reluctant to post here until i know more, but at least i wanna thank the people and guilds that joined my server ( RoS) after the move from XaoC. Vabbi lost in prime time and i don’t see them getting up one tire never mind europe’s no 1 ( they gain big points now because are extremely low ).

However, the fight was good. I feel for FoW, as we have been in the lowest tire for so long i almost consider them friendly and it looks like they get the short straw here, but i’ll let events unfold.

Demannu.2805:

Dear fab, please do like we are doing if we see someone cheating in WvW – target the individual and click Report.

Well, topic was deleted from this forums but if you look for “hackers on vabbi” on a certain site you will see entire zerg cheating, not like you have the time to report them all while they jump all over the walls.

That being said, i see only a bunch of people transferring to the last tire to have it easy, hopefully that will not happen and you’ll go away soon.

There is ALWAYS.9270 some hero who has alone, or with few chosen people stopped a XXX man zerg with pure power of thought. Bullkitten ! It may be true you can stand in some tower keep manning the siege yelling for reinforcements while the “50” man zergs derps outside, but killing 30 people out of 50 in 5 man is possible only on some bridges, lord rooms and in Narnia, and i’m not sure 5 will cut it on the bridge. And you will not “master your profession” you’ll be manning a ballista, preferably superior.

Now, if you’re not inside, that 50 people imaginary zerg would kill you just by not generating 3/4 of people hitting you, on top of instant death, i know, cose i encounter more then one, from your server.

Meanwhile, in the real world, numbers do count, and that’s mostly why Underworld is beating us so badly. This is however the best fight in weeks, i’m only sad it’s not gonna last for me ( RoS )

I will began with the obvious, i’m a type of player that likes to play one character, likes exploring and ranged combat, and that’s why i got stuck with this class this far. I’ve got world exploration, tones of karma, all mystic, lots of kills in WvW, all dungeons completed at least once and after all this i came here to share with you my conclusion:

STOP PLAYING RANGER

I feel cheated, mad, and i want my time invested back. All the rangers should be given the choice to pick another profession and get refunds in terms of karma and equipment and apologies for trying to play this broken profession, and i’m not even joking.

Yes, i’ve started a warrior yesterday, and i cannot believe how useful his skills are. All is nicely thought after and it feels like a complete and extremely fun to play class, and i mean RANGED class. Not to mention close combat, where comparing the two would be kitten

I am emotional about this, and the purpose of this post is to help people in similar position: re-roll and try another profession, stop waiting for small changes, this class needs MAJOR rebalance to be comparable with other and i don’t think that will come sometime soon. There are very good profession for WvW and some for PvE also, but if you want to play the best ranged one in the game, go for warrior.

Hope i will rescue a few players from the ranger’s plains of sorrow and regret with this post, have fun, and next time may we meet on another profession part of the forum.

PS: This ongoing division between good tire and meh tire professions, the lag fest event(s) and the recent must do dungeon grind of ascended equipment makes for a horrible followup to the launching of the best mmo in the recent years. Don’t get me wrong, even with it’s flaws it’s miles ahead anything else on the market at the moment, but it fells like it’s not going in the right direction.

Respectfully yours,
Michael

Swords work just fine as it is, small groups don’t trigger one and usually know to avoid them, removing will aid the zerg. My ideea would be to make tower/keeps, etc much harder to upgrade ( say caravan only carries only 2 supplies sort of hard ) but the upgrades should worth it, there were examples in history when very few people hold a castle against unbelievable odds .

ALSO, i don’t think the height of the walls count for missiles, someone standing 10m up shooting DOWN should be able to do so much further ( or for much damage ) then the other way around, unless we’re talking Legolas. As it is now numbers > fortifications, that’s why the zergs form, it’s the game mechanics that need to be changed, not the people.

Have fun

Bogey.5423:

I consider moving to Fissure of Woe from Ruins of Surmia. How is the WvW community in Fissure of Woe? What I am looking is at least some sense of maturity, not community that has lots of people that spout vitriol if everyone else does not perform to their whims or paranoid people that see “spies” everywhere.

But there ARE spies everywhere, and i can smell them !! Come to think of it … you’re one of them, be gone spy !!

On topic, yes, i do believe RoS and FoW should hit same map and/or fight more against the more powerful server, whoever that may be, at least until things even out in terms of population.