Guild Wars 2

xelloss.8647:

Nodeninja.5321:

There’s already a thread for this week’s match-up. As for us getting double teamed, that is part of playing a game with 3 factions. Whatever your perception of the ‘rules of engagement’ are, it is unrealistic to expect everyone to adhere to them.

I am just curious how you guys can communicate so efficiently, especially with so many zergs who might not listen to the commanders.

Good job in teaming up!

Take a breath and reread my post. I said ‘us’, as in GoM because that is my server as well. Frankly the QQ about double teaming is tiresome (throughout the WvW forums.)

There’s already a thread for this week’s match-up. As for us getting double teamed, that is part of playing a game with 3 factions. Whatever your perception of the ‘rules of engagement’ are, it is unrealistic to expect everyone to adhere to them.

Sororita.3465:

Had some fun times tonight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpqqLBA0i7k

Reading the comments after the video, I always find it hilarious when someone intentionally rolls a class that is specialized for 1v1 and then acts baffled when people who play other classes lose to them or won’t fight them. It would only be more hilarious if he was playing a mesmer…

It’s been pretty crazy checking the scores while mucking around in PvE this weekend. Seems like every 15 minutes the ticking leader changes!

Cactus.2710:

Nodeninja.5321:

This post is also the result of people throwing wild accusations out with no real basis and a player with admittedly limited PvP experience in this game taking their rants about spies to heart.

The OP may have limited experience in WvW, but if you don’t think his complaint has any basis in fact then your experience in WvW is even more limited than his.

I do realize that these things happen on occasion. I also realize that they happen a fraction of the amount of times that people CLAIM they happen, and that when someone new on a WvW map sees experienced players making wild accusations they often take it to heart without really questioning it’s validity.

anthsss.1564:

dunnberry.2964:

Guys guys guys!!! We discovered in guild chat who is obviously at fault for all the siege in the keep, it’s sooooooooo obvious I don’t know how none of us realized this before, it’s…Anvil Rock!!!!!

Hahahahaha +1

Stranger things have happened O,o

This post is also the result of people throwing wild accusations out with no real basis and a player with admittedly limited PvP experience in this game taking their rants about spies to heart.

anthsss.1564:

Nodeninja.5321:

Honestly, considering the amount of bad blood that seems to exist between you guys (NSP) and your previous tier, I’m pretty shocked that the first instinct you had was to point fingers at GoM, a server you really know next to nothing about.

I do understand that a large portion of the accusations are just from frustrated kids who are mad because it seems their coverage advantage eroded a bit and thus so did their lead last week, but seriously guys… wouldn’t you rather lose something close like that then win by 50k?

The positive side here is that with the GoM win last week, WvWvW should be JUMPIN this week which will mean more fun for everyone.

The reason why we point at GoM is because it only happens when GoM is assaulting us, and there was clearly the two occasions last week where GoM took advantage of a bug in the game that didn’t allow people to connect. If you didn’t play fair last week when you capped everything while NSP and HoD couldn’t connect, then why shouldn’t we think it was GoM?

This morning our keep was maxed out with useless siege so that we couldn’t build any up on the walls to actually defend from the attacks from GoM.
This morning we had 6 siege golems that were going to be used to take stonemist, from GoM, those golems were suicided.
Last week [HH] was glitched in our spawn, and there were screenshots to show it, and they would revive their allies while they spawn camped us.
Last week there were two separate occasions that GoM benefited from, and it only affected the HoD and NSP servers by not allowing them in WvW.

Using basic problem solving skills and simple logic, there is a strong suggestion that GoM is behind at least some of these scenarios. Sure, not all of GoM is doing it, but there are definitely some people on GoM who have exploited with proof of their exploits. Don’t mistake your win last week for skill.

Ok lets use some problem solving skills and a little logic.

GoM is the only server in the last 2 weeks truly giving you a run for your money. HoD has a history of playing to not be third and thus spends an extraordinary amount of time attacking us. Thus, GoM is assaulting you MUCH more than HoD and thus your sample size of instances is skewed because there is no variation.

As for HH exploiting, no proof has been shown on the forums that I have seen, and if it’s what I think you are talking about (getting into spawn), then every server including NSP has had people mess with this bug, however you don’t see us accusing an entire server.

Now, the golems. You are suggesting that 6 players from GoM paid the money to transfer for a week in order to sabotage you guys. You are also completely ignoring the number of players from your previous tier who HATE you guys. Unless I miss my guess here, you can still see the name of the players inside the golems and so their identity shouldn’t be a mystery here. If 6 GoM managed to be THAT organized, I would fall out of my chair…

Finally, you are QQ’ing about GoM taking undefended territory. Really? To use your own server’s argument against them I’ll say this. If we ignore the fact that all three servers were hit with connectivity issues (something you seem perfectly willing to ignore), then would you seriously suggest that the people who are NOT disconnected just quit playing and go do something else? By that logic, I’m sure you have no problem also suggesting that when our NA primetime players go to sleep/work that your off hours crew do something other than PvDoor all day to give your server the lead, right? Right???

I’m not even dignifying your idiocy about GoM hacking the servers in order to crash HoD and NSP with an explanation…

Azrael Ceres.2719:

I hope you calm down a bit Nodeninja and understand that I meant no offense but was merely trying to voice my opinion, please understand that English is not my first language and maybe I could have chosen my words a bit more carefully.

I am as calm as I can be, I assure you. Regardless of what your first language is or isn’t, I am not mad at you or anyone else, I just defend my server when I see accusations that, frankly, are more or less cut and paste from any other MMO out there when it comes to accusations of spying (especially considering the money and time involved in getting a spy into place these days.)

No harm no foul, just try to enjoy the re-energized WvW this week.

On a side note, if I were in your shoes, I would put some real thought into who may be the culprit here (in regards to seige/golems). You guys have a history of extremely bad blood from previous tiers. I’d be more likely to suspect either players/guilds that might have transferred off your server and might have an account left behind, players who took extreme pleasure trolling you guys from other match-ups (there will undoubtedly be those players in every match-up but I don’t think ours has had time to mature yet), or anyone involved in drama between guilds/alliances on your server.

As for people being in place to defend, you should know that just before your server fell to this tier, GoM’s leaders really started pushing for more organization and communication. I think what you are seeing is the result of this push (I know it can seem pretty coincidental) and not some grand espionage.

Honestly, considering the amount of bad blood that seems to exist between you guys (NSP) and your previous tier, I’m pretty shocked that the first instinct you had was to point fingers at GoM, a server you really know next to nothing about.

I do understand that a large portion of the accusations are just from frustrated kids who are mad because it seems their coverage advantage eroded a bit and thus so did their lead last week, but seriously guys… wouldn’t you rather lose something close like that then win by 50k?

The positive side here is that with the GoM win last week, WvWvW should be JUMPIN this week which will mean more fun for everyone.

Roughtimes.7138:

I would love to talk to the brilliant military mind behind this defensive set up in our keep. Bunched up so pretty like

I’m certainly not disputing that some troll messed up the siege for you guys. I AM taking issue with the fact that people are so quick to point fingers at their opponents, in this case my server, with absolutely zero grounds for doing so. We are playing an MMO, and a sad fact of life in MMO’s is people with internet courage who like to do things to cause the players around them grief. The first place you should be looking is in your own house, not ours.

Azrael Ceres.2719:

I do not understand why anyone on GoM found it necessary and even acceptable to plant a spy in our server to max our siege on a map, leaving us unable to drop any further siege. In addition even with our limited siege available to build, when we try to attack SM they also feel it necessary to suicide our golems.

I really hope I am wrong in this post and that this is not a spy in the NSP server, maybe just someone trolling their own server, as the only other option is that some people on GoM just made me lose all respect for their whole server.

I’ll help you out here. There’s nothing to understand because there isn’t a spy. I really hope you are not serious as if you are you just made me lose respect for your whole server. (Not really but see what I did there?)

anthsss.1564:

Nodeninja.5321:

anthsss.1564:

Does all of GoM cheat, or is it just the overnight/early morning crew that specializes in exploiting and espionage? Last week you somehow were able to connect while HoD and NSP couldn’t, so you could flip everybody’s towers and keeps, and today you guys max out our keep with useless siege and suicide our golems?

I would take AR over GoM any day, and we all know how much I don’t like AR, but this is absolutely disgusting and pitiful. Play the game the way it’s supposed to be played, if you feel that cheating is the only way to win, then you should really just stop playing altogether.

Arenanet you should put in a report feature for cheating so that we can at least report the people who we see sabotaging our server. You should also check into whatever happened two times last week that only allowed GoM to connect to a map.

This is the funniest rage post I’ve read in quite some time. Second place is the one above somewhere where NSP is convinced of some fictional alliance. So you make up an alliance as an excuse to ‘lose respect’ for GoM and HoD? Congratulations, your respect level just went down a notch too.

I am glad you got alot of loot bags though, I was afraid that it was only GoM that was maxing out their badge stacks and constantly having to go sell to empty their bags.

Your post makes literally no sense in reply to mine, let alone in reply to anything else. We have people that witnessed GoM teleporting and suiciding our golems multiple times.

It makes perfect sense, because you are making things up and applying them to an entire server. I’m not doubting that EVERY server has people who use hacks, but claiming they are ‘suiciding’ your golems and hacking arenanet’s system so they can block you from logging in is simply laughable. All three servers had connectivity issues this past week.

RonnyRaygun.5692:

it is pretty amazing how GoM pulled that off, but hey when GoM and HoD have a truce anything is possible i guess

Thanks for the laugh.

I find it…interesting to see posts about sportsmanship from the server that tanked their previous tier on purpose in order to drop to a tier in which they had no chance of losing.

RonnyRaygun.5692:

Just want to thank those who have joined us on teamspeak and in WvW, it has been fun this week so far. Was a great decison to bypass last week wvw, and get more involved in this. So far it been working well. Glad to some peeps working together for the greater good on our server. To those who argue with AR. Don’t sweat it. There was a reason i left AR. Of course here comes the troll comments. But to those who know me, honor above all. So again glad to have made new friends and working with outher guilds. It getting better day by day. thanks for all the work

The problem is that you guys tanked last week for a ‘change of scenery’ which also happened to involve dropping into a lower tier where you knew that coverage was in your favor. Not saying the fights aren’t fun, but tier 7 is broken simply because GoM and HoD are both too lightly populated for WvW purposes to stand up to servers of the size of NSP or DH.

I’m glad your server is ‘coming together’ but I fail to see how ‘the greater good’ is served by simply dropping to a tier where you can PvDoor during coverage gaps instead of working towards the ‘greater good’ of fighting through things in a tier to which your population is more suited.

Regardless of my above QQ (accurate, but QQ nonetheless), I am glad to be rid of DH and we’re seeing some nice changes in the fights, but the overall situation for GoM hasn’t really changed with the arrival of NSP.

Noroz.9527:

Hell of a night, NSP!

Score update beneath.

Looks like more of the same… good fights until HoD and GoM go to sleep, then the coverage gap kicks in. Lets hope that we’re not in for a month of the same boredom that we had from DH where they took, upgraded, and held SM 90% of the week based off of coverage.

I will say the fights myself and the rest of DN from GoM had last night were hella fun. Our 7 man group got a pretty rude welcome from the PAXA crew which really made us pay attention and turned into several more fun clashes with those guys. Alot of compliments were thrown your way PAXA and we’re looking forward to the practice against you.

I undercut all day long. I don’t have the time or patience to play the TP so I’ll just play the game and sell certain things as I go. I typically net somewhere around 10g a day, which is fine by me as I gave up ever seeing a precursor once it became obvious they weren’t really meant to be obtained by regular players. One day I’ll be able to purchase one, but I’m far from hovering on the edge of my seat for that day to come.

The fact that undercutting frustrates TP players is just a bonus.

When you run with pugs you have to hope for the best and expect the worst. Your first clue should’ve been the silence when you were asking them about swapping. Personally I have no issues with swapping as long as (as others have said) it is verbally agreed upon.

Bllade.1029:

Lol you guys are rediculous.

Let’s all pause for a moment, and please for gods sake repeat after me…

This is a computer game.

There. Didn’t that feel good? Let’s do it a couple more times.

Quite funny from the biggest trash talker on DH.

It sounds like Sorrow’s Furnace will be able to match DH for population if/when they break out of tier 8.

I have yet to see anything in that fight that can’t be beaten with the tiniest bit of communication before the fight. My first time seeing it was several days ago, and we wiped 3 or 4 times. Nobody was willing to say anything about it more than ‘kite everything and kill the assassins’ including the replacement we found for someone who dropped. We struggled through it and then managed the next boss fight with the new guy only managing to call me and one other guy ‘idiots’ during the fight because we were trying to figure out the mechanic with no help from him or anyone else who was there.
Fast forward 2 days and I’m running it with a guild group. Now, granted we’re all pretty geared, but we also just took whoever was on at the time. We discussed strategy for all of 15 seconds… which ended up being ‘so and so call the assassin and everyone else aoe bomb the trash.’ It was absurdly easy and required alot less work than running around in circles while the trash mobs steadily built in numbers.

If you are ‘above average’ and know the fights, I wouldn’t care what profession you were as long as you weren’t a doosh. A good player can contribute no matter what class he’s playing.

I’d definitely reiterate what was said above me about learning the fights and learning to dodge effectively.
Here are some of my thoughts in running dungeons as a warrior.

1. Greatsword is not the only path available to you. I am built around Axe/Axe and swap my offhand weapons out consistently depending on what dungeon/encounter is looming. I personally like Axe/Axe because it allows me to be a little more mobile and I can still throw on my greatsword for an increase in my DPS rotation.

2. Don’t be afraid to use ranged weapons. In fact, you should always have either a rifle or bow available. I was relying heavily on my rifle for a long time, but have recently found that longbow really compliments my Axe/Axe rotation (I’ll explain that below.)

3. Combo fields, learn them. Learn what other classes are likely to be dropping in the way of combo fields and take advantage of them. A timely blast finisher inside a water field can really boost your survivability. Similarly, blast/whirl finishers can really up your DPS. If you drop longbow 3 and the longbow burst skill (I’m ashamed to say I haven’t actually looked at the name of the skill) and then drop a banner inside it or Axe 2/Axe 5 inside it you will see groups of mobs melting fast, and if you have a Guardian in your group, whirling through his fields will erase conditions extremely fast. Combo fields are your friends and since you really can’t count on pugs to be too cohesive, learning what to expect and just taking advantage when you can really will make a difference.

4. Gear. I’m just starting to work up a full DPS set, but have been running Knights armor with 6 Soldier runes for the condition removal. It’s a survivability set but I still see good numbers by slotting most of my jewelry with berserker stats. Also really look at the sigils you have on your weapons and try to plan ahead factoring in weapon swapping. I personally use a bloodlust sigil, but another warrior in my guild really likes the one that grants perception. Also the sigil of battle on your offhand can help you keep a few stacks of might up at all times assuming you are weapon swapping quite a bit.
5. Lastly, don’t be too married to your utility skills. Take the time to swap them up once you understand the fights. That AC fight, for example. No matter how good you are at dodging that pull, you will get caught in it from time to time. Why not slot Endure Pain just for that fight (assuming you don’t already.) Same goes for stability, condition removal (Shake it Off!) and countless other utility skills. The warrior you describe in your OP sounds like he was either not very experienced in the dungeons or just not very good. I have found it VERY difficult to get caught in that Howling King shout even once. I can understand how you might get hit with it when it’s your first time there (especially considering my experience with how effectively pugs communicate with people learning an encounter) but once you’ve gone through that fight a few times it is cake.

Hope this helped, I’m no expert but also no slouch. I’m sure the trolls are circling and licking their chops.

To the OP, I ran this dungeon two nights in a row. The first night, I had never seen path 2 and we struggled and ended up picking up some doosh canoe who proceeded to tell us to kite, we needed to listen to him, we were f’ing idiots, etc. We finished eventually, but nobody bothered to explain ANY of the fights so I was left to figure everything out on my own. The second night I ran it with a guild group of whoever was on. Our make-up was warrior, warrior, ranger, mesmer, guardian.

The first night, the ONLY aoe heal field was from the ranger in our pug and THEN it was only at my request. The pug ele NEVER dropped out of fire attunement. It was very painful as a warrior for part you are complaining about. I was trying to kite as much as possible because that seemed to be the ‘consensus’ way to handle the fight.

The second night we decided to just aoe down everything in a blitz and had one person calling targets. Our make-up was, in my opinion, worse and we obliterated the fight.

Communication is key.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

(but at least you didn’t go to Kaineng!)

The Kaineng matchup forum threads are pretty fun to read. You should scoot over to them to see the latest thing that WM pulled… against Kaineng.

Fizzlepip.5218:

@ the few people that do this sort of thing and exploit a busted hillside… c’mon.

It’s been quite a fight in your BL, GoM

Saw multiple players from both DH and HoD exploiting the invulnerable spots yesterday behind both southern supply camps. It’s most certainly not limited to one server.

It has been interesting watching HoD and DH duck each other and both go after anything and everything red today…

Bllade.1029:

What you are witnessing is the official launch of Darkhaven’s Alliance. We have not gotten any transfers of significant numbers, we’ve always had numbers, but the morale was shot to hell when a bunch of T2W guilds (Transfer to Win) left the server. I know both HoD and GoM have experienced what that does to WvW.

Regardless, Darkhaven has reformed an alliance composing of about 18 guilds total, we are more organized, and we have slowly but surely improving the morale on Darkhaven since launch, which in turn has brought in many WvW’ers that otherwise would not have played.

It’s not server transfers and being outmanned that is your problem, its these 18 guilds who coordinate together, control 90% of the commander tags, and understand that we can’t win without teamwork. That is why we’re doing so well.

Btw Darkhaven has no reason to “team-up” against either HoD or GoM. Why? I’m not trying to sound arrogant, but we don’t need to ally another server to secure a win. So stop the accusations, if you don’t believe me; go to WvW and press “B”. There is your proof.

On a side note I am also a member of [jade] and I am dam proud of my guild mates in that jumping puzzle with the golems!

You are wrong, period. Not about your organization, but about having a numbers advantage and better coverage. I’m NOT begrudging you the organization or numbers and am actually more than a little jealous that you actually have a WvW alliance (as far as I know there are none on GoM.) I’m not even begrudging you your pride in griefing the jumping puzzle. It’s a PvP area and therefore griefing is a relative term (I fully support red is dead no matter where it happens.)

Yes you are showing organization, but without the bodies to organize you would be where GoM is now. I’m honestly not sure what the solution is, as we have plenty of PvE gamers on our server, but I think too many of our WvW population is satisfied with losing as long as they can roam around and get some fights.

GottFaust.5297:

Honestly, unless SbI and IoJ lost as many people as they claim, GoM is going to end up in tier 8 within a couple of weeks. We’ve been steadily losing guilds for months now, and there’s no sign of that changing before the free transfers cut off on the 28th. Hell, it’s actually gotten worse the last few days as more and more fair-weather guilds jump ship at the last minute before it costs money to switch.

I’m feeling this way as well. Currently, DH has a significant numbers advantage over us and HoD has a less significant numbers advantage but a significant organization advantage. I am having trouble forcing myself into WvW based on what I saw midweek last week from our server, and I usually love to PvP.

My guild is holding on, but mainly (I think) because most of us are just happy PvP’ing whether we win the over all war or not. I would personally enjoy it more if we were a community, but I really think that some of the ‘hardcore’ WvW guilds at launch soured alot of the server with their kitten antics towards other players on GoM.

ykyk.2740:

mauler.5694:

katonium.1035:

Anatolian Turk.4057:

what else can i say XD

No…. another boring week to suffer , for a player living in east Asia?
when will we encounter an oceanic/asian prime server …

Maybe if all the Asian/Oceanis guilds didnt Zerg to just a few servers and spread out a little this wouldnt be a problem…..You think….Just a thought….maybe then PvP instead of PvDoor

God forbid people in a community want to play with others in the same community?

Nobody is faulting (or should be) for wanting to play together, but IF you are going to do that then you should have a realistic view of how it’s going to pan out and not act all disappointed when you can’t have fun because of the numbers you bring to the fight. Mass transfer to a server all you want, just don’t act surprised when you have… mass numbers lol.

Sororita.3465:

so dh got transfers, hod apparently got transfers…so come GoM next mmk?

GoM will need something resembling a WvW oriented community before we can attract anyone I’m afraid. As things stand right now, servers using kindergarten tactics out maneuver us.

Pretty sure Titan is the GM of War Machine…. but I could be mistaken.

Sureshot.6725:

Are you serious? ANet is really forcing us to do a group event so we can complete our PERSONAL story?!?!? If this is true I’m seriously disappointed in this design decision and this is content I will not experience. Wasted space as far as I’m concerned.

Because why in the hell would you ever put group content into an MMO…

Why would you want all the best to join you and your zerg guild? If that happens, you’ll have even less competition than you are getting from servers that you outnumber 5:1.

Edit : Unless Anet says it, you aren’t the official anything. Especially when you have yet to face anything close to similar numbers (not predicting what will happen when you DO hit even numbers, simply pointing out that there is no way to predict that outcome based on your current record of opponents.)

Any of the three servers in the GoM/HoD/DN match-up would probably suit you. Currently, Darkhaven is the ‘zergiest’ of the three in that match-up but only during certain hours and they still maintain many small roamers as well. I’d say GoM is the most disorganized of the three on the large scale, but all three servers seem to have a good community and skilled skirmishers.
Also, as to population, I know that on GoM we consistently have overflow in LA, so there is still a healthy population.

Fizzle, I can’t speak for HoD (or GoM if I’m being honest), but as a player on GoM I think you are giving us credit for being way too organized if you think it is remotely possible anyone is sending a ‘spy’ over to sabotage your workings in WvW. If you could see our map/team chat for about 20 seconds you’d realize how unlikely it is we could get someone go to another tower or keep, much less move to another server.

Theft, do yourself a favor and don’t post immediately after you finish with PvP man. It just makes you look bitter when you call out an entire server for something that you saw from a very small percentage of the overall population.

Actium.8765:

Nodeninja.5321:

Sobiech.9613:

Still anyone’s game. Good luck to all,

Can DH hold off a late GoM surge?
Will HoD surge late again and finish first?

Stay tuned…

DH is in a good spot, as they are benefiting from slightly better coverage than HoD and GoM in the late night/early morning hours.

Just to clarify this. I logged on at about 3am pst time after going to bed at 12 pst time with work at 5am. I wanted to see if we had actually gotten a late night presence. What I found was, in fact, late night NA players for the most part. All of the commanders on at the time also commander during the NA primetime and all threw out the day. I dunno how or why they do it but they are dedicated beyond belief. As for me… I regret waking up so early with almost no sleep….so tired. ;.; but I got on right when we capped SM.

No matter where they live, they are still more of an off hours presence than either other server fields. It was not a criticism, just an observation since each night when I go to bed, SM is blue or red and each morning when I log in, it’s always green.

As for anyone claiming HoD has the market cornered on ‘class’ or ‘honor’, tell that to the 5-6 corpse jumping my Ele at the southeast camp in you HoD borderlands tonight… for 5 minutes.

Sobiech.9613:

Still anyone’s game. Good luck to all,

Can DH hold off a late GoM surge?
Will HoD surge late again and finish first?

Stay tuned…

DH is in a good spot, as they are benefiting from slightly better coverage than HoD and GoM in the late night/early morning hours.

Theftwind.8976:

Once you jump down from the invuln area you are in a war zone and using that tiny area as a safe haven is nothing more then exploiting a bug in the game design, something that Henge has too much honor to copy.

Keep telling yourself that. I’m loving the match-up and looking forward to a possible fight club this week because I still feel like I’m fat fingering alot of skills (and tired of getting two shotted by thieves) but I can safely say that I’ve seen plenty of d-baggery from every server, and HoD is no exception. I’ve also seen very good play at the same time.

Now, if I can just figure out the magical way that every thief claims they can easily be stopped when they run away…

Mosharn.8357:

Why is it every GoM i see runs away… I will dance on your body and ring bells if i catch you runners. So dont complain cus you deserve it if you gona run across the whole map when you can turn around and kill me.

Probably because the experience of this week has taught us that the odds of that lone Kain that we spotted actually being alone are astronomically low.

Lightsbane.9012:

Nodeninja.5321:

I have never understood what spawn camping had to do with video game ‘honor’. There are 3 Borderlands and EB, nobody in this game can spawn camp me as long as that’s true. Treat spawn campers the same way you would treat WvW if you were severely outmanned. Do something else. Not necessarily something other than WvW, but something other than whatever is going on at one particular spawn (although thanks to this match-up I’m getting alot of alt leveling and dungeon runs in.)

so if you’re severely outmanned and being spawncamped at all exits on all maps?

I have yet to see a group large enough AND smart enough to completely shut down all exits. The tiniest bit of creative thought will find you outsmarting 90% of the zerg trying to shut down ‘all exits’. If, however, the unlikely happens and they are at every camp exit, there is a whole world out there away from WvW that can’t be camped. Thus, no force has ever or will ever be able to genuinely spawn camp anyone who doesn’t WANT to be there getting camped.

Having gone through the early days of LOTRO LOLPVP as a monster player, and having successfully circumvented the Freep zerglings outside our 1 spawn with it’s 1 exit without stealth or maps, I find it very difficult to believe that the Kain zerg and it’s zerg guilds have the manpower and intelligence to literally shut down all avenues into every WvW map.

I have never understood what spawn camping had to do with video game ‘honor’. There are 3 Borderlands and EB, nobody in this game can spawn camp me as long as that’s true. Treat spawn campers the same way you would treat WvW if you were severely outmanned. Do something else. Not necessarily something other than WvW, but something other than whatever is going on at one particular spawn (although thanks to this match-up I’m getting alot of alt leveling and dungeon runs in.)

atomicjellybean.5389:

Well from what i’ve read of this post it seems kain is whooping everyone’s butts… (I wouldn’t know for sure though because I won’t be back on GW2 till the end of January due to computer problems) But cmon GoM, are you really going to start whining because someone else starts steam-rolling you? When you out manned everyone else for the past few weeks? That really REALLY annoys me. HoD gets out manned pretty much every week but we still stay, and its pretty fair seeing as how the majority of your players lack any skill ^-^ Heck i’ve seen 5 people take down 25 of you at once. Please any kain players out there, squash GoM for us, and any HoD people reading this, keep up the fight! I’m so annoyed i’m not there to help out, but i will be there soon!

This made me chuckle, simply because we have set up in supply camps (Godsword mainly) with 8-10 players and held HoD groups of 30+ out until half of us left to aid somewhere else and 30 vs 5 seemed safe. I highly doubt you’ve seen 5 people from any server take out 25 from another unless the 25 were underleveled and the 5 were using guards, but hyperbole is king here just as it is in politics.

GoM has slightly outnumbered the other servers in our matches lately, but by nowhere near the margin that the zerg guilds have provided to Kaineng.

amberlin.5124:

Nodeninja.5321:

There isn’t really any strategy we can learn from WM or anyone else on Kaineng right now. Literally all they do is set up an insurmountable amount of seige and tidal wave over their current opposition. I’m not saying they all suck or anything of the sort, but when the numbers are as skewed as they currently are, there is no need for strategy from the zerging force and thus nothing to really learn.

(/snipped the inappropriate stuff)

There is a lot to be said for practicing (that is demonstrating to proficiency) skills and behaviors. This is the foundation of “good practice” and inductive learning.

Learning how to make mistakes in a relatively safe environment is a skill in an of itself. Exceptional performers know this.

In order to grow and develop one must push outside one’s comfort zone. Growth opportunity is maximized when experimentation is combined with established “good practice” in an environment where post mortem analysis (introspection) and recovery is available and “affordable” (in terms of opportunity cost).

What you learn is up to you…

I don’t disagree here and there is plenty of opportunity to try different things against the gigantic zerg, thus learning in an environment where victory isn’t an option (kind of takes the pressure off.) I also stand by my statement that there is nothing to learn FROM the Kain crew simply due to the ridiculously skewed numbers on the field. It is very likely that the ones that I could learn from are either not rendering on my screen or are perma-stealthed thieves lol.

Also, I looked at the picture linked above and those trebs look fine to me. Maybe I’m missing something.

JudgeD.5673:

I see the sniping has already started. Too bad. I’m not too impressed by what I’ve seen from HoD of GoM, but the week is yet young… BTW, to the HoD thief in the BL JP: I went in there knowing what might happen. I was not disappointed.

Funny, in the hour or so I was out last night, I thought the same thing about Kaineng, at least those that I could get to render on my screen out of the zerglings.

Alot of people are claiming that Kain would be stomping face regardless, but there is no evidence you can present to support that claim with your current zerg guild transfers. We’ll (GoM) just pick off the stragglers and let you be bored for a week before you move up and all your big guilds transfer away again.