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TBH, you’re at a disadvantage in melee against DH, Scrapper, and Reaper. Reaper is King Condi at the moment so any condi you apply will only hurt you since they’ll just send it back and Chrono has best burst/condi application in the game in my opinion. It isn’t necessarily a L2P issue but like Fluffy suggested, mix your gear to ensure that you have the best chances of winning. Most roaming builds rely on consistent damage with good defense to win unless you’re playing a full 1-2 shot burst that can get away quickly if you burn your CDs.

Against DH, if they are burst, their self condi clear will depend on a few skills only and you can reapply faster than they can clear. You just need to kite well enough and watch for True Shot. I’ve also noticed that playing BM with the taunt skill will annoy them to no end and you’ll interrupt a lot.

Reaper is all about immob. Poor mobility so just kite them to hell and back.

Scrapper, very tough fight because they’ve got a lot of tankiness with lots of raw DPS and stuns. Hard to kite because they have swiftness up-time and stealth application up the kitten . keep in mind this is only for engi mains that solo or duo roam only though. Most non mains and zerglings are learning the class and are relatively easy to take down.

I don’t play condi much anymore but when i do I usually still get on apothecary gear with dire/rabid ascended trinkets and s/d and a/t combo.

Don’t know about the rest of you but when I see another ranger in WvW, my first initial reaction is, he dies first…..

Not that I don’t like my fellow Rangers, but the LB pew pew meta that’s going on is quite annoying to deal with.

I just received an in-game mail stating that my account will be shut down due to currency transactions?

I went to the link, and it asked me to verify my account with serial number. Unfortunately, I deleted the email with the serial number. Is there any other way to verify this or is this simply a scam? This is the first notification I’ve ever received from an ANET dev if it truly is ANET that sent this message. Please help.

Thanks,

nevermind, it was finally sent.

Thanks,

Hi, I purchased gems in-game and transaction went through:
My credit card was charged but I did not receive my gems.

Order# RVDT8AA3

Please send me my gems or chargeback my card.

Thanks,

Well, rangers are the best at making people rage quit while solo roaming

Sure another profession can kill faster but no one cares when they get finished by: warrior, guard, necro, ele, thief, engi…..but a ranger! oh its the end of the world!! If it’s a LB ranger, hell just froze over!! If they died in entangle, the ranger is a HACKER!!!!!

Most thieves can not fathom losing a 1v1 to a ranger! What blasphemy is this!!! Rangers are supposed to thief food!! For some reason, the elitists in the game get too personal when they get finished by a ranger, and that is what rangers are best at. NO other profession strikes the annoying rage from a finisher like the ranger

ooooo…..sounds nice, but I don’t play nearly enough nowadays to be much of a benefactor or beneficiary

DIAMOND RANK!

:)

looks promising. I can’t wait for your videos of it in action.

I like everyone “hearts” but no one moves

Either, no more WM stuff please, moving up slowly is better.

run your builds for a week or so and tweak it to your liking. There are certain things that you may or may not like depending how you like to play. A lot of rangers have ran a BM condition build so you’ll get plenty of in-game help if you ask the right people.

Good luck!

Tossed Fish.7380:

…It has attracted quite a number of trolls too including the infamous Ajax Blue…

you have already won. Ajax will certainly dissuade some people to not come there

What does the Fox say?

(this is where Foxcuddle should chime in)

…honestly I’ve never seen auto attacks hit for 8k-9k but you were wearing broken armor so essentially you’re naked. A fully traited Power build with max range could theoretically hit you for that, kinda makes me wonder what a backstab or zerker phatasm would do to you.

I was thinking the same thing…eagle and hawk F2 = pulse heals

looks like the BM is making a comeback!!!

I like it. I will be following this post closely.

It’s nice to see people trying stuff on their own and if it works for them its really all that matters. I know for a fact it won’t work for me, but I trust you when you say it works for you.

Rangers in general need an overhaul and you’re definitely doing your part in making sure that happens, but TBH, one of the reasons why rangers have not received much attention is because it is so diverse as a class. ANET believes that diversity makes the ranger a utility class that can do “all of the above, but not better than any of the above”. So in theory, because rangers can “do it all” they are in a good spot.

Hopefully do something drastic and give the pets a 10 sec righteous indignation upon swap or something

This will open build diversity for everyone unfortunately. GS warriors in general have very good condition mitigation. So while we finally get the nice condi-removal you mentioned, I can’t help but think how much more powerful the power builds of other opposing classes will be.

Theoretically, instead of EB we can take Bark skin for damage mitigation, but the health threshold makes it unattractive to get bark skin at your last 1/4 of life when HS spamming thieves will simply pull the trigger over and over.

I’ve lost all faith in Anet’s balance team. TBH If they just reverse pet nerf and SB range nerf, i’d be content.

Prysin.8542:

Not sure i want to share the exact build i am running right now as i am using it in guild raids.

Lol I am running the same variant, but I no wan to share either.

Facet.5914:

Just for the record, I’m not arguing that rangers should be included in GvGs, I know ranger’s do not bring anything useful to the fight. I just wanted to correct you on some of the things you said about rangers

Would I take a ranger in a GvG? Only if I can tame Zhaitan to be my pet

Facet.5914:

Noobie.1073:

Though I do agree with you that in an organized GvG is much different than a Zerg vs Zerg, I was pointing out the fact that throughout this thread, people are talking about rangers not being able to last when being focused yet don’t realize that no profession is going to last very long when being focused.

Again I really don’t understand what you’re getting at here. Certainly any player on ~any class/build will go down eventually when focused by a large enough group, but build and micro create massive variation in exactly how long that takes. Rangers have a very unforgiving and frankly poor set of survival tools compared to other classes (no stabs, invulns, or target drops) and accordingly go down much faster on average.

You do realize that Rangers have 6sec invulnerability, 20 sec stability, 5-evades, 2 leaps with 8-12 sec CDs that can be chained and take them out of combat right all in the same build right?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAR84iEVGWs2Ag1DAAYQA-w

And yes, these are all on a weapon set that can and is oftenly used together. Not sure if you play a ranger, but at least know what the escape options are before you claim rangers have poor escape ability.

Ranger’s may not be able to stealth like a thief or blink like a mesmer, but they can get away. These bear-bows that you see may not use these skills but that doesn’t mean the escapes are non-existent, because rangers have decent drop ability.

http://youtu.be/G-CzRt3fbZ0

This was the best video I could find with GS/S-D ranger in action. He doesn’t play ranger much (if any) anymore, which is similar to what a lot of us have done, but at least know what the class has before you say it has poor survival abilities compared to…..other classes. It’s easy to say a LB ranger has less escape capabilty than say, a GS warrior, but then who does against a GS warrior? try comparing a LB/GS ranger’s escape ability to a Hambow? or Staff ele. Make good comparisons and not ridiculous ones.

Facet.5914:

It’s not a matter of dying or not in a binary sense. Relative to other classes rangers generally die faster because they don’t have the cleanses, invulns, target drops, or natural tankiness that other classes do.

Again, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and ask for you to make a video of all the professions with all the same gear and relative same stats and have each and everyone one of the professions get focused by a group to see who actually dies faster or if it really even matters in that situation.

Though I do agree with you that in an organized GvG is much different than a Zerg vs Zerg, I was pointing out the fact that throughout this thread, people are talking about rangers not being able to last when being focused yet don’t realize that no profession is going to last very long when being focused. The fact the Ranger’s don’t bring good group utility is an argument you be getting from me because I agree with you and everyone on that aspect. Honestly, aside from Mesmer (1 mesmer only) and Elementalists, I don’t see any non-heavy class viable for GvG. So they might as well clump all non-guards and warriors out of the GvG meta. Sure engi’s can grenade at 1500, thieves can stealth spike, necro’s can place wells etc etc, all that means nothing when your heavies go down.

I would love to see changes made to the ranger class, but I am well aware that rangers are not going to be getting that from Anet or the community. Rangers were not meant to play in big groups and that is precisely how Anet is going to keep it. A Ranger’s only role in WvW is to get other people kicked out their guilds when they get stomped and that is all

Yeah, I fell in love with the bleeding hearts build posted by another forum user. I tweaked it a bit for my liking, but overall, it’s been my primary roaming build. It surprises people when they get hit for 20 stack bleeds plus 8K rapid fire

The first thief I fought with that build couldn’t even be saved by stealthing lol. Of course you run into the exception and things get hairy every now and then, but for the most part, I’ve all but deleted my other toons for the time being.

PU mesmer was too cheese to keep playing so I came back to my ranger to get some excitement. Not to mention all the ranger hate is driving me nuts, so it feels good to be called a hack once in a while on a ranger lol

My new troll theme (for those who deserve it) has been to sit next to them while they slowly bleed out lol

The build is still fun and annoying for a lot of people to fight 1v1. Thieves really hate that it takes more than the usual 2-shot to down a ranger and usually back off after the initial attempt.

Regen/conditon ranger is still one of my favorite builds to roam in, but I’ve changed directions and got out of the sustainable/condition builds I can get to see high DPS numbers with a bleeding/power ranger

Welcome back. No major changes since you’ve left. Your builds will work just the same but with 25% less endurance regen.

I want to be a werewolf!!!

/signed

I am not denying that Ranger’s need a revamp, I just find it irrelevant that when someone talks about roaming, YOU people say “well rangers are first to get focused”. Please let me know when you find a class that does not die when getting focused. I just find it funny that you’re basing how bad rangers are from an apples to oranges comparison. In Roaming (which is usually small scale, or solo) rangers are decent if not viable.

Sorry to say, but any class regardless of player is going to be at a disadvantage if they are in full Zerker/zerg gear and decide to solo roam. Shout/regen support guards/warriors will not do enough single target damage to kill a halfway decent roamer build regardless of class and they will probably end in a stalemate cause they won’t die to single target damage either.

In a zerg, good rangers will always find positioning. This does not mean the “good” ranger will not die, but if your zerg loses a zerg fight, what did your warrior or guardian do to help your group? On the flip side, if your zerg wins it’s because the other group had a few rangers out like 30-40 other professions?

In my experience, zerg fights are usually won with better coordination and communication as well positioning and using terrain to your advantage. Sorry to break it to you, but no SINGLE warrior, guardian, elementalist, necro, engi, or thief makes a big difference in a zerg. Zerg fights are and always will be won with better communication, coordination, and leadership. Group composition plays a big role in a GvG, but as a zerg with more randoms joining in, the group that is better coordinated will win regardless of composition.

Straegen.2938:

Noobie.1073:

This is as stupid a suggestion as one can get. You’re asking 1 class to fight against all other classes? For equal representation, just have 20 warriors VS 20 rangers, or 20 guards VS 20 rangers etc. would make more sense.

Nobody would want to see a GW2 reenactment of the Super Bowl with the Rangers (Broncos) playing the Warriors (Seattle).

Eh, I’ve seen stranger things happen.

http://youtu.be/MZCMg4YG_w8

Just saying, things can happen strangely sometimes.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQJATRjAVx1tV2Vs2Bi1j90n9zeYIG9IXBUlxChALC-j0DBYLDRjiAgKIaZPDZNRKiFVRs4aIr6FYqSJV5KyqXAWzAmzR2jDzbIpSBMqwI-w

Plant yourself on a nice hill and tag anyone who wanders by with this build. Watch how fast their health melts. Although yes if they come at you fast enough things can get a bit hairy that’s why you also have your greatsword. If you have those 25 stacks of Accuracy handy a quick chain of Swoop-Hilt Bash-Maul should put your opponent in panic mode.

…..As a fellow ranger, I will honestly say, 9/10 times I will poop on this build. Sorry, but you’ve got next to no toughness and 18K health will melt away in a backstab/heartseeker. Not to mention you have no condi clear. Who solo roams with no condi-clear or stun break?

Tongku.5326:

If anyone insists that rangers are good in high end of WvW I have a challenge for them as follows:

Make 2 20 man teams

Team 1:
5 warriors, 5 guards
10 more of any mix of the following classes: Warrior, Guard, Ele, Necro

Team 2:
20 Rangers

The challenge is to have the 2 teams fight in open field combat at least 10 rounds, preferrably more, not necessarily on the same day. Breaks for switching traits, gear, utility skills etc. must be allowed every round.

Record videos of these battles, watch them. You will understand why rangers are left behind when recruiting for serious WvW.

This is as stupid a suggestion as one can get. You’re asking 1 class to fight against all other classes? For equal representation, just have 20 warriors VS 20 rangers, or 20 guards VS 20 rangers etc. would make more sense.

Durzlla.6295:

Lol I loved using that on the warriors who thought they were gonna wombo combo you xD

I know right?! You can imagine my dismay when I found out Throw Dirt was a downed state skill. I was like, WTF is downed state? I’m still hoping they’ll change it up and add it as a utility skill.

I and many rangers out there will abuse the living hell out of this. I remember using http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Throw_Dirt like crazy on my touch ranger. Sweet memories……

Substance E.4852:

Terravos.4059:

Eloquence.5207:

What about 2 thieves?

They’re either incredibly good, in which case you’ll explode you, or they’re bad and you’ll kill them.

If one of them is Venom Aura you’re dead.

I have yet to see two people play thief so abysmally bad that they both fail to take down a single target.

Now that you mentioned it, I played against 3 thieves last night! This will likely never again happen, but I had a big smile on my face for the remainder of the night.

Used my trap build with Rabid armor/apthecary trinkets and weapons and 10/30/30/0/0. Saw three thieves, I ran (of course) back to sentry where I had set up a stealth disruptor. All 3 attempted a backstab at same the time, all three got rooted in spike trap, flame trap, and Viper’s nest. In sequence, I used entangle to splitblade. All 3 melted away simultaneously because they couldn’t stealth out. I loved it and /laugh. one invited me to party to call me a hack….I pinged stealth disruptor trap and added " " in chat for him. If only I was Asuran I could’ve been ROFL.

Still got a cheese smile on thinking about it. Of course, these guys were noobs because stealth disruptor has 1200 range. The moment they couldn’t stealth, they should’ve realized something was wrong.

Gizmo.9178:

Yeah because I can post pictures of a mesmer instantly jumping onto the tower wall. Then if I do post a picture of her on the wall then you can just say that they were already in the tower so why would I waste my time huh? Yeah keep defending your need to use hacks. We are aware so don’t act surprised if one of you gets banned. I doubt it though…

No one is defending anything. I’m simply saying if you are accusing people of something or claiming something specific. Post a picture and or a video of it. Considering as you’ve made it clear that Kaineng uses these hacks that you’ve witnessed, it should be relatively easy for you to get verifiable proof to give to Kaineng commanders or Arena Net. You also made no distinction of who (guild) was using the hacks nor did you provide any separation of singular use I’m sure these mesmers you speak of can be caught by you in due time.

Don’t get your panties in a bunch, just trying to help you make your accusation more credible since many of the Kaineng commanders frown on hacking. You shouldn’t be wasting your time on the forums, go download a free recording app from the web and get to it!

Go like this.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATRjEVN2VWGWs2Bili9Eo2DOZpzzUcIGdxSVJB-jkyAYrARWAIQQJvhxm9SUxsIasqFM1Zk1nCp+kioVLFwoKjA-w

Good damage, good/decent HP, good toughness. This will keep you on your feet in WvW. Use superior sigil of hydromancy for GS cause you’ll most likely swap to it when in range. This sigil will help make them slow for your hilt bash + maul combo. Superior rune of speed is significantly cheaper than traveler runes. Superior runes of Speed do not provide a DPS boost but you’ll get swiftness and speed boost that frees up 1 utility slot so you don’t have to run Signet of the Hunt for 25% movement speed. Use Cavalier trinkets mixed with knights instead of berserker for a good precision/crit damage balance plus you get the added bonus of toughness. Use extra slot for a stun break (it’s get out of jail free card) because you’ll need it.

Gizmo.9178:

Noobie.1073:

Gizmo.9178:

Hey kain, let us know when you can fight us legit in our borderlands.

hey GoM, let us know when you don’t outnumber us in our borderland or any other borderland.

Better than using hacks. Having fun with those mesmers?

Post pictures please. its like me saying, “not as good as using your mother” but of course without pictures, you wouldn’t know what i did with her.

see what i did there? go QQ somewhere else.

Nice fight outside KBL Garrison sentry last night female Bronze thief of [kake] guild. I would’ve stayed and finished our fight (had you pretty low) but your server mates came with their golem(s) to take garrison and you got to chase me down with the ele. You were tough enough to fight alone, but none the less, it was a fun few minutes before it got interrupted. Hope to see you again in a solo fight, I was the Ranger with the [HERO] tag.

Gizmo.9178:

Hey kain, let us know when you can fight us legit in our borderlands.

hey GoM, let us know when you don’t outnumber us in our borderland or any other borderland.

The build is good to start with, but I’m wondering why you have Signet of the Wild equipped with such low healing power and no beast mastery traits? I would swap out Signet of the Wild for a stun break or for Signet or Renewal to help you with clearing some conditions. You’ll run into a lot of conditions in WvW and having adequate condition clearing is crucial for roaming. I ran something similar to this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATRjEVN2RW+Vs2BiVB90eoJLde2DFxoFdxSVJB-j0CBYfBC/DjgAjoAisAI7pIaslhFRjVxATdSQWfKp+EFRrWKgIWGB-w

Nice vitality, good damage, you’ll be tanky with good condition clearing, and you have a swiftness buff which also acts as a stun break. I used to run something similar to it, but used different weapon sets. If you haven’t used food buffs yet, you should start using them.

Have fun!

I remember doing this with traps and axe/warhorn? Was pretty easy and mobs just melted. AoE control is probably what you’re missing if you’re getting mobbed by risen.

1. F1 “attack my target” should be converted to “Sic Em” so that we don’t have to waste a utility slot for a reveal that pets should be able to do without the user. Our pets usually attack our target if we haven’t selected a target for it. I could care less about the buffs to our pet from the Sic Em, I just want the reveal. Pet damage and speed buff can be removed if Sic Em is used with F1.

2. Agility Training should be a passive thing and not needed in trait tree. In fact, all our pets should be able to move faster than that us considering I’ve never seen a human outrun a dog/wolf/bird or bear for that matter. Pet’s don’t hit often because they are easily kitable, make them faster and they should be able to hit more.

Dravic.5241:

So if this is not an optimal spec…what would one be?

The spec that lets you play to your best. It’s easy for the rest of us to throw builds at you and say this is what we run, but it may not be best for your playstyle.

For Example, the build that was posted by Name in use already.7294 has high toughness (3k) but very little HP (15k) with no real source of condition cleansing or stun breaks, therefore (while roaming) a warrior with their 2-3 stuns could essentially lock you in place with stuns/immob and go to town on you before you can even get out/disengage. Any condition build (usually built with their high toughness) could essentially just burst you with conditions and there is literally nothing you can do but run.

For now, my suggestion is to keep roaming around with your engi buddy and figure out a way to best compliment his build because if you’ll be running with him 80-90% of the time, that’s what will make your build unique and optimal for you.

With that being said, I do firmly agree that getting insight on what others use in WvW is also a good building block in figuring out your niche. for LB, this is what I am currently running:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBHhNaEoKyOzywi1OQsUIoA1eMJLdemCDxoLWpEJ-j0CBYLI4LCiINY0CYUFCi5PFRjtMsIasKkYaXpWHTIycuIa1SBso0I-w

It’s a bleed heavy build that is meant to instantly burst. Right from the get-go you can stack 25 stacks of bleed by yourself using the following pattern:

start with Axe/Horn open use: Sharpening stone: Horn #5, Horn #4 swap to LB, Quickening Zephyr, LB#2. That opening attack sequence gets people hurt fast and if the bleed is not cleared immediately, they will go down. Your opponents will basically eat 25 stacks of bleed which is roughly 2700 damage per second with 1300 condition damage at 25 stacks and you will also hit them with your DPS on Horn#4 for about 3-4k and your LB#2 will also hit for 4-5K if not evaded, interrupted, or missed. That’s a whole lot of damage from the get go.

Most people will have closed in on you and thieves most likely have gone into stealth if not dead. Use your defensive abilities to stay alive and keep pressure. Your gamely is essential to keeping yourself alive and the effectiveness of the build. For taking camps, use piercing arrows, for 1v1s use Eagle Eye for maximum range.

Good luck and have fun!

If you want to be the last one standing. This is the way to go

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQJATRjEVV2BWKWs2BimiMZJmiExo3j0v+2XyKiC-jECBofBigAgABKJtIaslRFRjVNTQWXDT5KpCBMaCA-w

I used a similar build to this but I was completely in Melee weapons only. It might be a bit tricky with a LB but your overall survivability is outstanding and you are more familiar with LB, so you will make better use of it than I would have.

You have 2.9K armor which is no slouch in any terms and have 3k attack and 3.25K with full stacks of bloodlust. Crit chance passive is 32% and goes up to 52% upon use of your elite skill Rampage as One. Because of the overwhelming use of conditions in this meta, I switched out traveler runes for Runes of Melandru for added toughness and condition duration (you can use Bowl of Lemongrass poultry soup for additional condition duration removal if you want).

With clerics armor, you’ll have a lower base health, but you’ll also have a much better passive regeneration on yourself at all time. From signet, you’ll get roughly 150hp/sec and with 30pts in BM you also get 127HP/sec added (you can alternate food with Mango Pies and get an additonal 85HP/sec) from signet and BM trait you get a passive 280hp/sec full time.

You can still be bursted down by Berserker warriors or berserker thieves if you’re not careful, but your overall defensive capabilities on LB/GS is pretty good so you should be able to counter most if not all of they’re burst. SoTH is placed in for movement speed and GS#3 swoop is also great for disengaging and getting away.

Try it out and see how you like it.

oh…I like this, but keep the revealed

I don’t mind pets dying, I just want my pets to be able to consistently hit a moving target. I want other classes to actually be afraid to get hit by my pet. Isn’t that the point of having a pet? If we can simply reverse the pet damage nerf for all aspects beside tPvP/sPvP, i’d be happy. The pet damage in WvW would be greatly welcomed

Prysin.8542:

Oh and if you think pets are too situational, you have yet to learn how to use them.

In the end, it is a L2P issue.

I am in no way saying that rangers can not compete. I am simply implying that it takes more work to get the ranger to where a warrior is in WvW.

I have no problems 1v1 with my ranger whether it be a rag-tag power set up like the above link, full zerker, BM condi/regen, traps, etc but I am not delusional when I say the pet is situational. If you’ve never experienced the pet f2 lag then please send me the coding you used for your pet mechanic so I can L2P with the same pet mechanic that you do.

I am not bandwagoning to another profession as my main, I am simply a firm believer that in order to beat something, you gotta know the fundamentals of its class mechanics. I think you are mis-interpreting my post as me leaving ranger for greener pastures. I am simply ranting that traits and fluidity of traits in relation to builds is much more advanced on a warrior. Noticed that in my earlier post I said if I was to fight against myself using ranger VS warrior, my Ranger would win simply cause I knew the ranger class more than I currently do with warrior.

I do believe that if you place two people of equal skill, one plays a ranger and the other plays a warrior. In a 1v1, this match would be close but I think the warrior would win marginally because of overall defense and damage capabilities of the class. Where the ranger is either defense or offense-power, Condition or raw DPS, the warrior can be both equally, and that equals a lot of pressure.

I think someone wrote a post about his skill level holding up the ranger class (tricare). I think that is true for most skilled ranger players, of course this true for all classes too, but the ranger is a class that requires intricate knowledge and precise timing to make good where as the other classes are a bit more easy mode with the exception of Elementalists. I try not to compare classes too much because I understand that each class was designed to be different, but I can’t help but feel that our traits could be better served.

Anyway, thanks for the input and rants everyone. Its time to get back to the grind and fight the good fight.

So I made minor changes, the damage was up’d. I will stop playing warrior for the time being.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAT8cjkOtuFPuQMxBE0DNsKEwzjxbJIPVh5A-jUCBINCy0CwkAAkHQ5QFRjt2uIasaGYaUER1+EFRrWKgRlGB-w

The crit damage pretty much went on par with condition damage. This is about as balanced damage wise as I’ve seen. I’ve tried to do something similar to this on my Ranger where I had good-decent DPS, good-decent condition damage, and good toughness. I was only able to achieve something like it with a Rampager’s armor set and mixed in rabid equipment, so power/crit was good, conditions was good, but i lacked defense, toughness, and vitality. However, I was able to achieve this with Warrior fairly easy.

I do want to add that I only did this cause I dueled a similar warrior with this build using my ranger in Os Sanctum and it was a very fun, interesting fight. I ended up winning the duel in the end because of mobility, but I was very close to losing many times. Ultimately I beat him using the set up in the following link with mobility and pet support.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAV8YjAVV2NW+VoWCiVB90ekJzjJOjDxIvgSmQUA-jkCB4LCyUgQ0FA0HwZPFRjtMsIasKGY6SBRdSq2noIa1SBExwI-w

Wolf for KD and Fear, Raven for blind and DPS. When he did immob me, swap to sword/dagger and using timely evades helped me to avoid most of his sword auto attack damage which I think lead to him being whittled slowly whittled down. the Chills gave me enough breathing room to properly kite him, but this was definitely a fight that made me want to see for myself what he was running.

DeadlySynz.3471:

While I agree the overall utility of the warrior is light years superior to that of the Ranger, the ranger does in fact do more damage than the warrior (in my experience).

Gearing both my ranger and warrior the same way and traiting them for sheer damage, my Ranger’s auto attack does about 1.5K more than my warrior. I’m doing over double auto attack damage than you’ve posted.

Granted with this, they’d also drop a lot faster in battle than the warrior too :P

I was against this whole notion of this class is better than this class, but last night made me change that thought. It’s really not fair how much harder we as rangers have to work to keep up. I can imagine going up against someone who was more skilled with a warrior and not be able to do anything

Prysin.8542:

sorry, but i am not impressed by anything other then the crit chance. The rest is simply average. Sure it seems insane with all that immobilize, yet you can do that on a ranger with ease, you can even exceed it.
The LB is slow. It seems strong, but it is slower, much much slower, then even the ranger LB. So the DPS equals out. Most of the attacks are “fan” attacks, and another interesting fact is that when an attack says ""Damage (3x): 660"", it means 660 damage divided by 3 attacks. That means for it to do full damage you must be in melee range. A place were you do NOT want to use that slow longbow.

Sorry mate, the build is solid, that is without a doubt, but there is nothing in there that the ranger cannot do.

I do agree with you that the ranger can do all this. However, I have to work much harder on my ranger to keep up is what i’m getting at. I love my ranger, but for the life of me, I can not find a build on my ranger that can easily crit for 43%, have 2.5K attack power, 3k armor, passive regen for 500+ per second, 1900 condition damage, 20k health. If I played against myself right now Ranger VS Warrior my ranger would destroy my warrior, but that is because i have 1400 hours on ranger and 25 on warrior.

Ranger immobilize is on par, but in no way exceed. Sorry but pet CC is hit or miss and rangers only have one real immob in MT. There is so much condition removal on this build with the rapid adrenaline regen that fighting against another condition build is almost a joke unless they’ve got some serious skill. The way the traits work together is just kittenedly fluid. Most 1v1’s, 1v2’s i had last night, most of the people were fighting me with a constant 15-20 stacks bleed even if then consistently cleared them. sword auto attack stacks 11 second bleeds on every hit, SB only stack 4.5 seconds @ 50% duration increase if flanking. Splitblade does 5 stacks@ 9 secs, crip talon does 3 stacks @ 12 seconds. It’s do able, just takes more work and skill to pull off. I logged off kitten ed at Anet for the very first time at this in-justice… literally brought me to this crossroad.

Remember, am new to a warrior. I still main my Ranger, but last night was just an eye opener is all. kitten es me off, but definitely an eye opener. It got me thinking, were all the people i beat in 1v1 going easy on me?, were they that bad?, or was warrior just that much easier to play?

I’ve played ranger since launch, rank 300 in WvW with ranger, but last night I rolled a warrior. This is not even fair (keep in mind I’ve only leveled up warrior last night and geared him).

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2.4k attack, 3k armor, 1900 condition damage with food, a plethora of immobilizes, 527 passive regen on full adrenaline, and 43% crit chance….

Again, i have no idea what i’m doing on this warrior, this is all based on the build i linked. no ascended gear, all exotics only and this was truly easy mode.

The amount of synergy the traits have is just ridiculous. I can stack 25 stack bleeds with sword auto attack and hold them there for 15.5 seconds total. Plus, it’s much easier and reliable for the player to land immob rather than the pet.

Why the hell does the F’en warrior LB do so much kittening damage! This is just kittened how much condition damage the LB can do.

I can’t believe Anet thinks this is balanced….This is just stupid that a newb warrior can do so much.

No wonder Anet says the warrior is in a good place, hell, warriors are in GREAT kittenING place.