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Still too powerful even at 8s, you’re basically giving every class a very slow corrupt boon with no counter (you can’t stop criticals, you can’t even dodge the effects of this sigil because it’s on hit proc). Even though corrupt boon is hard to dodge – it can still be countered somehow via blinds or random dodging when you have a lot of boons up.

hey I like this thread. everyone is really coming together to talk about a very pressing topic in the pvp community!!

op necro I see some of your concerns. have you tried to change what music you listen to when you fight ? I personally think this song is a must in order to soothe the psyche https://soundcloud.com/doodledude9001/game-of-weed

Sorry bud, but as much as I respect your play from the past I have to disagree with the general scope of your post.

You cannot isolate this ‘toxicity’ to the sPvP crowd. This toxicity is a symptom of the anonymity of the internet, not of some ultra elitist faction – this is nothing abnormal for a game in modern times. Is it acceptable? No. But that’s a much larger issue.

To be honest, I find it kind of naive for you to even consider that the tiny pre-patch sPvP crowd (which is who I assume you’re addressing) would even be large enough to cause this ‘toxicity’ on its own, as it is now easily dwarfed by the influx of new players. What is actually toxic are these kind of finger pointing posts, instead of writing about how all players in general should treat each other with decency you chose to single out and blame a small group of people, perpetuating the already partisan atmosphere that exists in this game. Xeph, people are jerks sometimes. Plain and simple, it doesn’t matter which aspect of the game they identify themselves with, we all have equal capacity to be an kitten .

In your mini discussion on compassion for other players did you ever consider that maybe the angry kid slinging mud at people during a game is bullied daily at school (or hell, even work). It doesn’t excuse their behaviour, not at all – but like you said everyone has outside influences that may be setting them off on that day. Honestly if you you don’t like what they’re saying do what any sane person would do: report them, block them – move on.

We shouldn’t be trying to pit people against each other with posts like this. I could point out toxicity anywhere in this game (rangers in pve, fractal AR, speed running/full zerk comps), but what good does it do to attempt to shame and alienate a group of players? None. How about we just agree that people need to be kinder in general instead of pointing the finger at one group.

Maybe when we’re done we can all hug each other and roll down a grassy hill like we used to do as kids. Or play this pokeman kitten I hear about sometimes, what the hell is a moltres anyway?

AHH – When I make clones on my mesmer (who is wearing a costume) the clone appears in his regular gear not the costume. Is this intended? or is it a bug? makes it super easy to tell the real mesmer.

lucky for me I get to stay with bear and not spyro’s degenerate cousin

salute goodbye tournament tokens.

kiri …. wanna invest 1k gold in my pocket? I’ll share with AK.

mine’s been ongoing for 3 weeks… been troubleshooting everything I can on my end but nothing is coming up. I wonder if it is on ANETs end? My lag is odd though, very intense from about 7pm eastern to 1 am then it subsides (no evidence of traffic shaping or issues with my wiring).

no. I am best in world and I use number 3 only. sometimes 2.

I implore you (ANET) to reconsider putting every character into their PvE gear upon entering the mists after the patch. I have a lot of alts (10 slots total) and I don’t know why I am being punished for this by having to spend up to 10 transmutation charges per character after the patch just to re-equip them into getups they currently have for free.

I can accept the charge system (as much as I dislike it in the mists) but for the love of god that’s potentially 100 charges just to have my skins back? Even with the 1 charge per pvp rank – it just doesn’t cut it.

Please reconsider.

Sir Deimos, Casual Lord of PvP where did you hear this ? Wonder if they’ll move the healing skills to account bound as well …

Roy/Karl, will these trait unlocks be account bound? I (and many others) enjoy making new characters for sPvP frequently and the lack of account bound unlocks basically kills this.

Will they be account bound ?

Hello Flumek.9043,

We thank you for bringing forth your concerns on ‘A-U-T-O-M-A-T-E-D R-E-S-P-O-N-S-E’. I can assure you that we are fervently looking into the issue and have made note of your thoughts. We value all input and encourage players to bring attention to aspects of the game that are on their minds.

See you in game!
DJ Qualls

can confirm, played 3 tourney’s the other day and went form 73% to 23.

hi kisses i would like be try your team

all wishes,

ben

thank god.

that means that tornado being replaced with t-rex form is still a possibility. #alliesports.

but in all seriousness, that tool kit / kit refinement change was kind of a flag for me – 50% super speed uptime? nobody would do that …. right ?

this this forum echoing or something ? …. I swear there’s an echo in here.

Hey just curious, what will Birthday Boosters boost when Glory is gone? Will it be gold ?

Thanks.

p.s.

grouch will you be my grouchentine?

For the love of god remove these things, why are there cannons that knock you down so frequently and do so much damage with massive range? remove this x.x

hi i am guard i play mostly in spv

i have play 75 game on my guard but friend tlel me i am good at it. i would like a lot to play with a good team can you let me play with you? i have also play mesmers and elemental so i have known of other classes.

thanks you

Any chance a dev that see’s this could reply with their thoughts on the reaction so far in this thread?

Helseth giving humor lessons!? Didn’t he make a joke about shooting people?!

I have never actually seen that work either. It’s almost as bad as whirl in light field, those cleansing bolts never hit a kitten thing.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

runeblade.7514:

This idea needs scraping. You know what else? PvP skill unlocks too.

yes, the original guild wars 1 had lots of pvp skills unlocks.

Yes lets just remake GW1 /s. Nobody said the unlock system in GW1 was superior, in fact I see it as a hindrance.

One of this games best selling points in my opinion is that the day you buy the game, you can waltz into the mists and start competing with other players immediately because you have all the same skills, gear and stats.

GW2 removing the need for unlocking skills and grinding out PvP gear was a complete innovation and now they’re undoing that.

If they’re smart they’ll see the universal unlocks as one of their strongest points of sale and think twice about continuing in this direction. I know myself, besides the pay wall Wildstar has – I couldn’t go to another MMO where my access to skills / gear which dictates performance is tied to how much grinding I do.

The only part to me that was overwhelming about the runes, sigils and amulets were the fact that most of them were useless – they seem to realize this and hopefully it’ll get better but we will have to see.

show me a non smurf rank 5 who is better than a rank 50 ?

Salvaging tourney chests for luck ? I get more luck from the 5 greens I find in PvE than I do from an entire tournament chest. The rate is way less than pve.

EverythingEnds.4261:

Zomaarwat.3912:

Because people who only join halfway or near the end and thus participate less should get less? Because if all you do is farm Skyhammer youd still get 15 silver per game instead of like 5 or smthing?

This.

You shouldnt get big amounts of gold for joining a game when it is already 400 -350 or something like that.

And winning a match “fast”:
Yes, maybe you did an axcellent job when you manage to win fast, however, if you are able to win fast, this also could mean the game is not balanced.
So you also shouldnt be rewareded just because it is 5* rank 40-50 vs 5* rank 1-10

so again I’m punished for something outside of my control (aka matchmaking / lack of leaver system). makes no sense.

it cuts it even if you’re there from the start, that’s what my gripe is.

Sooo with the rewards update we were promised a flat amount of coin on victory/loss for hotjoin, solo and team queues. Except this isn’t always the case. Why did ANET make this reward scale with time? Why isn’t it an actual flat amount of money like they promised?

I don’t see the reason why people who win a game fast should be rewarded less than if they drew the game out.

I want my 4 silver kitten it >=(

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

no, warriors with healing signet are not powered.
if this is true, then we will see warriors everywhere.
did we see that?
no.

what we are seeing in forums are cries of non warriors who wishes for warriors to become free kills again.

apt.9184:

regen is reduced to 200hp/s

this is another fine example of a non warrior asking for warriors to become free kills again.

please go and play warrior with healing signet and see if warriors are really that overpowered.

apt is a very very very good warrior, have played with him and against him many times and can assure you his suggestions come from a very long standing warrior background. you really need to work on how you interact with other people on the forums, everything I’ve seen from you when it comes to warrior balance (or even game balance in general) has been extremely negative – to the point that sometimes I think you’re honestly just trolling.

me toooooo. I was expecting a little something of an update

Oblivion.8307:

Arganthium.5638:

Oblivion.8307:

most dominant team during a big part of 2013 wasn’t included in ‘2013 The Year in PvP’, lol.

It’s okay Oblivion, we still love Team Paradigm! Even if the controversy surrounding PAX blew TP into… Oblivion. o.O

Gotta agree though, most of your matches completely routed your opponents lol.

Nobody really knows the truth regarding PAX, and I’d rather not get into details or get anybody into trouble. I’m just annoyed that my teammates who carried me weren’t even mentioned within this video that’s supposed to highlight guild wars pvp in 2013.

could always make your own. symbolic’s big noscope hits 2013. I’ll watch it for sure.

cool vid but I find it kind of sad that most of the ‘best plays’ were basically just pve mobs being killed at the right moment, and not actual fighting between players.

hate to be that guy, but this is a player skill issue. have a dedicated necro in my team and she deals with warriors just fine.

nope, here’s a screenie if you want. I can assure you those chests are very real, if you look at the top winner yourfriendmarvin he has the same problem. I know it because I’ve seen them in his inventory myself – so I don’t doubt one bit that jose has the same collection he does.

l2 troll simplicity. jose is 2nd in NA for team queue wins. he’s also one heck of a guy, dat jtan <3.

Arken.3725:

-All proc on crit traits should be changed to a counter system. What I mean by this is instead of it being a mindless proc on your opponent, let it trigger every few critical hits with a counter on your bar so your enemy knows when to dodge/block. This will promote counter-play which is great for balance. This should also apply to passive traits that apply too much of a benefit without any thought process involved.

What I’ve felt for a long time about these on crit traits is that they should be modelled more like some of the guardian minors and majors. Instead of being a counter or on crit (I am against a counter because seriously the bars are so full of boons and crap I don’t want to be counting numbers in the middle of a crazy particle fight) why not have them act as modifiers to skills? Add x effect or condition on a particular skill – this would make weapon skills more customizable depending on traits. Most importantly it would allow people to dodge things such as incendiary powder and dhuumfire as they would be watching for a particular move and not taking massive damage because they got hit by 1 auto attack.

Arken.3725:

-Adjust Defensive/Condi amulets. I don’t like the idea of having amulets that are both tanky and provide damage. You’re getting the best of both worlds, this should NEVER happen. You are supposed to take a loss in this game when you spec into something. Whether it be damage, support or bunker. There needs to be give somewhere.

I agree with this, a major part of the problem in my opinion lies with the speed at which conditions can kill / be applied. The time to kill for condi spam is way too fast given the defensive nature of the amulets that the builds stem from. Not to mention the fact that most condi spam comes from aoe that is incredibly difficult/pointless to dodge given low cooldowns (nades/bombs) or near invisibility (necro marks that pop before you even realize they’re there).

Arken.3725:

- AI/Passive skills should never see the light of day in a tournament. These skills should be available for new players to break into the game but should never be taken seriously. These specs require little thought involved and provide too much benefit.

No arguments here, spirit ranger is boring to play – phantasm mesmer as well.

agree with A K, what if your teammate is getting a clutch lord kill, buff or decap and suddenly poof – in 4v5 jail because someone on the other team DC’d on purpose. bad mechanic.

you mean you don’t want to play against unkillable PU based condi phantasms or extremely durable power phantasm mesmers all day? I was excited to :P

Absolutely not, I even made a post about it a few days ago. It’s going to create power gaps between players who have the glory/gold to get any new skills which quickly become meta and also forces sPvP players to spend the small amount of gold we’re now earning on something that did not need to be added.

It’s a bad choice, and will only do more to hurt the community by moving everyone off equal footing as time progresses.

my opinion can be easily summed up as follows:

I bring condi clear! it gets rid of my vulnerability – thank god I’m immob’d for 20 seconds not taking that extra 1% damage, I was worried for a second.

aussieheals.6843:

As many have mentioned before me this was standard in gw1. It didn’t feel like a gymp it felt soooo great to unlock! It makes you want to play that specific skill you unlocked so as each new skill comes out you gain a deep understanding of its strengths and weaknesses.

You can’t jump the gun and call it a gymp, as the skills won’t even be used in certain metas.

I went back to gw1 after 7 years for HoM, bought expansions and could barely be competitive in PvP because there was such a massive build up of skills I was unable to unlock in PvP without having to grind out daily balthazar faction points from bots or doing hours of pvp. I had to stick to one class combo too because in order to be competitive I had to unlock at least one build, it really pigeonholed me and despite enjoying the PvP I eventually walked as the number of unlocks required was too daunting. It was a tremendous disadvantage and made me completely appreciate just how good it was to have everything unlocked like we do in GW2. In this game I am free to try any class at any time in PvP and explore what it has to offer, and I really enjoy that aspect of it.

aussieheals.6843:

I don’t want to build up my entire character but a small sense of unlocks is a very rewarding and balanced approach. It’s quite clearly the choice of the majority or at least the direction chosen by ArenaNet for good reason.

We have this sense of accomplishment and progress through cosmetics. Why change it to a system that can and will introduce skill disparity? It makes no sense to have a game mode whose basis was to keep all players equal and suddenly throw in unlocks that will take this away. They need to improve the cosmetic progression and with the addition of ladders we will have tons to work on that will feel ‘rewarding’.

I second this. I am from Canada and moose are everywhere, I actually have 2 of them in my backyard as pets. They are incredibly loyal and intelligent, please allow us rangers to take these cunning beasts with us into battle.

stof.9341:

Oprah.1347:

Personally I feel that this is the complete wrong direction to go in. Not only does it put new players at a disadvantage when they first enter the mists, it gimps people who have not played for some time

In all likeliness, returning players will have a big stock of unused skill points to instantly unlock every new interesting skill. And I see enough complaints here about experienced players that get matched with new players and lose to mean that them having or not the new skills won’t matter much since you don’t want to play with them anyway !

Where will they get the stock of unused skill points when they’re not playing?

I thought I would create a separate topic with regards to the direction ANET is taking with regards to new skills introduced to the game. In the CDI thread that deals with the upcoming reward changes, both John Corpening and Josh Davis had the following to say about upcoming skills:

John Corpening.9847:

Hey All,

Regarding new skills, PvP will continue to have all existing skills unlocked for players. Only new skills will require unlocks. The number of skills currently in the game can be intimidating for new players. We would like to allow them some time to learn the base set while they work towards unlocking the new skills.

Josh Davis.6015:

New skills being added to the game will be unlockable via skill points. This also applies to new utilities and elites. For PvP specifically, this means you’ll need to purchase Tomes of Knowledge to level up your character and unlock skill points.

I would like to open this thread to create discussion regarding this change to the way we have access to skills in sPvP.

Personally I feel that this is the complete wrong direction to go in. Not only does it put new players at a disadvantage when they first enter the mists, it gimps people who have not played for some time (defeating the whole mantra of being able to leave and come back to GW2 without being too far behind). By forcing us to have to unlock new skills as they are released (which will eventually be gold based, according to Josh’s mentioning of Tomes of Knowledge from vendors) they are not only creating a form of vertical progression (people with meta skills vs people without) they are adding in another grind to unlock new skills as well as a slight pay to win (gems to gold for skills faster than players who earn them via playing).

One of the best parts of sPvP in my opinion – and one thing that sets it apart from PvP in any other MMO I’ve played, is the fact that when you enter the mists you are on equal footing with every other player. I want to see this preserved moving forward, as this is the main thing that attracted me to it in the first place.

I can see how maybe the unlock system is a slight attempt to monetize sPvP by getting players with little patience or time to buy gems to convert to gold in order to unlock more skills. Don’t get me wrong, I realize ANET is a business and more cash flow from the gem store to sPvP will aid in its development but I really think if they want us to have progression in terms of skills they should consider implementing a system involving unique skill skins. These could be re-colourings, festive skins or anything the art team could dream up. They could not only be potentially earned through sPvP ranks / gold etc but also possibly added to the gem store as individual purchases.

I hope that in the future any form of skill based progression in sPvP will be purely cosmetic and not prevent players from having access to all skills at all times regardless of financial status or time played. Access to skills is paramount to competition in sPvP and competition is what keeps a community and game healthy, happy and most importantly alive.

What are your thoughts? Please keep it civil!

Josh Davis.6015:

Oprah.1347:

John Corpening.9847:

Regarding new skills, PvP will continue to have all existing skills unlocked for players. Only new skills will require unlocks. The number of skills currently in the game can be intimidating for new players. We would like to allow them some time to learn the base set while they work towards unlocking the new skills.

Maybe my reading comprehension is lower right now because I’m tired, but you’re saying that as new skills are added to the game – they will no longer be unlocked by default in sPvP ? If this is the case, are you able to detail what we will need to do in order to unlock them? I feel that if you require skills to be unlocked in sPvP you run the risk of creating a disparity between new and old players as the older ones will have more skills unlocked as time progresses, giving them access to more build diversity which could set newer players at a disadvantage. I felt this disparity when playing GW1 for the first time earlier this year for HoM points – not being able to unlock crucial skills for particular setups really put me at a disadvantage and I would hate to see that come here – as in my opinion sPvP’s equitable playing field (class balance aside of course) is what truly sets it apart from almost any pvp mode I’ve played before.

New skills being added to the game will be unlockable via skill points. This also applies to new utilities and elites. For PvP specifically, this means you’ll need to purchase Tomes of Knowledge to level up your character and unlock skill points.

Thank you for the clarification, but I must object to this system. I really do think this will create vertical progression in a sense – basically if you don’t have the gold (which is what the tomes will eventually cost) you won’t be able to buy the skills you need for whatever meta is in place. Having meta skills is important to remaining competitive, putting a gold barrier to skills in a game mode whose foundation is based on every player coming to the table with equal loadouts (it didn’t like my other word) seems almost unintuitive. I see John’s point in not wanting to overwhelm players, but I also think that you should be giving us the benefit of the doubt in terms of what we’re capable of handling at first glance. The PvP community in GW2 provides many detailed guides that would be great for new players to sift through limitless numbers of skills. I am just worried this system could lead to having to farm gold to buy skills to be competitive.

John Corpening.9847:

Regarding new skills, PvP will continue to have all existing skills unlocked for players. Only new skills will require unlocks. The number of skills currently in the game can be intimidating for new players. We would like to allow them some time to learn the base set while they work towards unlocking the new skills.

Maybe my reading comprehension is lower right now because I’m tired, but you’re saying that as new skills are added to the game – they will no longer be unlocked by default in sPvP ? If this is the case, are you able to detail what we will need to do in order to unlock them? I feel that if you require skills to be unlocked in sPvP you run the risk of creating a disparity between new and old players as the older ones will have more skills unlocked as time progresses, giving them access to more build diversity which could set newer players at a disadvantage. I felt this disparity when playing GW1 for the first time earlier this year for HoM points – not being able to unlock crucial skills for particular setups really put me at a disadvantage and I would hate to see that come here – as in my opinion sPvP’s equitable playing field (class balance aside of course) is what truly sets it apart from almost any pvp mode I’ve played before.

I can see why this might be considered a way to give sPvP players a sense of progression (the more you play, the more skills you unlock) but I feel that it might actually create a kind of vertical progression. Instead of differentiating players by which skills they have unlocked, I believe it would be more fitting for this game to have different skill skins as a form of progression rather than the actual skills themselves. Maybe one unlock could change meteor shower on staff ele look like actual space rocks, or thief cluster bombs look like skulls – not the greatest examples but these kinds of changes would not create power disparity between players who have skills unlocked and those who don’t (especially given the nature of flavour of the month builds and skills at it stands).

The only part that upsets me is the retiring of rank based pvp finishers. So basically all the skyhammer farmers get to keep rank finishers while people like me who only get rank from tPvP will miss out? seems sort of unfair.