WOAHHHH now Thorp… Don’t go insulting the dredge / ogres man!!! They at least don’t run… All I’ve seen this match up is people running from 1v1s, equal numbers and even 2-4 extra players in their favor… Only fights we’ve been getting is zergs and mini zergs that see a small group which either can or think they can just roll over on it.
Hahaha, I’m maybe just a little bit biased here but, owned. That’s too kitten funny and exactly why these forums are getting shut down!
Sorry if the fight wasn’t exciting enough for you, and that we didn’t meet your expectations. Perhaps we could impressed you had we all rolled “heavies” and went steam rolling into that group spamming “1” while blinding. I mean, that’s where the real skill in this game is right?
Had this group we fought been competent, had they pushed in a timely manner, or had they been more aware of what was going on things would have been different.
However, we had them exactly where we wanted them. Maybe next time we’ll throw some Veil’s in there, Portal Bombs, and call out some Double-Dodge rolls!!
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
As for roaming goes the only good roaming guild or players I’ve run into is vT. Everyone else just stands by SM and fights tell they get low and go hide behind the cannons.
Well thanks for the kind words =) We’ve definitely managed to put a great team together over the past year and it appears that you’ve been able to do the same. It’s rare in this game to find solid guilds but it’s definitely a pleasant surprise when you run into one.
Dude is mad because he thinks a 7v4 to 7v6 is ok, but when its all of a sudden 7v8 its"overwhelming" numbers.
Is that how you were lying to yourself to make yourself feel better afterwards?
You lost every single 5v5 engagement, rapidly and then would either run back to spawn or waited until you had 4 thieves(two were adds that took part in most of the fights), 2 mesmers, 1 guard, 1 warrior, 1 engi and 1 necro to fight a group of 5-6. I am not counting the additional adds which sometimes were another necro, warrior, guard or thief as we on 2 occasions had 2-3 adds as well.
You were facing 1 necro, 1 engi, 1 warrior, 2 mesmers, one of which hopped onto a staff ele later on and a guard who came later on as well. That is 5 and later 6.
You know what you could have done? Instead of waiting and calling in more people, fought with even numbers and tried harder, but instead you followed the typical zergbaby mentality of calling in more numbers.
You’re pretty much one step away from fighting next to a tower and having 2 of your guildies manning cannons.
If you want to make excuses such as “oh, cheesy builds” then you can do so. At the end of the day, you know that you repeatedly lost even numbered fights and instead of trying different tactics, you called in more numbers.
LOL, what happened to “It was random people in-game that would die, join group and start talking smack etc.. I honestly don’t remember the guild tags on the occasions it happened.”
This is why I’m confused by your posts. That’s a lot of detail for someone who doesn’t remember.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
A big shout-out to all of the roamers and guild groups we came across this week. These skilled group fights are the only reason I play this game, and I’m sure the same goes for so many of you.
So, thank you to everyone we fought. Keep up the good work, and keep roaming alive.
What skilled enemy groups did you come across? The best I found were average roamers. Even the self-proclaimed good roamers were push overs and would call in more friends when they continuously wiped with even numbers.
I’ll agree, a majority of the fights were very one-sided. But putting people down doesn’t help the overall state of the game. Be thankful for those “average roamers”, and encourage them to keep trying.
If they call in more numbers, take that as a compliment. Most importantly, show some respect. The game needs more guild groups and small man teams.
No, respect is earned.
If the self-proclaimed roamers talk smack and claim that they can 1v2 us, but get whooped in a 1v1 by someone not even running a 1v1 build, or if they repeatedly get wrecked in an even numbers fight, but call in more friends until they have twice the numbers and then talk trash, they deserve no respect.
If the self-proclaimed small-man group repeatedly loses in an even numbers fight and then simply ends up running all the way to their spawn to avoid fighting, they do not deserve respect.
If that group waits until they have significantly more players than you do in order to fight, they do not deserve respect.
If they do want respect, then they can reflect on why they lost an even-numbers engagement and see if they can change their strategy and come again with the same numbers. They can change who they target, how they approach the fight, their trait setup, class make-up etc. and come back with the same numbers to try and win. If they do that, then they deserve respect.
I have not come across any groups like that yet this week.
Not trying to start kitten, but I’m curious who these self proclaimed roamers that supposedly talked kitten are. This thread has been pretty tame in that regard, and I can’t think of anyone who posted claiming to be the best 1v1 player. Also what guild do you run with, just wondering if I ran into you at all, because if I did I would be quite surprised if you didn’t find it a good fight.
It was random people in-game that would die, join group and start talking smack etc.. I honestly don’t remember the guild tags on the occasions it happened.
I roam with the tag [STD], however the friends I play with use their own tags.
Just to clear things up, I have no problem with people who fight but aren’t good as long as they don’t resort to overwhelming numbers to win. If a person repeatedly tries to win with the same numbers and regardless of whether they end up winning or losing, it shows a certain type of mentality that I have much respect for. Challenging yourself and trying to better yourself instead of taking the easy way out is quite admirable.
“It was random people in-game that would die, join group and start talking smack”, So they weren’t the “self-proclaimed good roamers” then? You’d know their tags if they were self-proclaimed.
I’m confused by your posts, as well as your attitude. None of these posts were directed at you nor did they include you, until of course you felt the need to interject. I think I understand why people joined your group to talk kitten now.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
A big shout-out to all of the roamers and guild groups we came across this week. These skilled group fights are the only reason I play this game, and I’m sure the same goes for so many of you.
So, thank you to everyone we fought. Keep up the good work, and keep roaming alive.
What skilled enemy groups did you come across? The best I found were average roamers. Even the self-proclaimed good roamers were push overs and would call in more friends when they continuously wiped with even numbers.
I’ll agree, a majority of the fights were very one-sided. But putting people down doesn’t help the overall state of the game. Be thankful for those “average roamers”, and encourage them to keep trying.
If they call in more numbers, take that as a compliment. Most importantly, show some respect. The game needs more guild groups and small man teams.
We didn’t run into you guys much but you guys are definitely the best roaming from BP. Good coordination and group make up without cheese BS builds. Keep on truckin.
Thanks, that means a lot coming from you guys =). I wish we had seen more of you but, I’m just glad we finally had the opportunity to fight you. Much respect to all of you in AD and Bsty.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
A big shout-out to all of the roamers and guild groups we came across this week. These skilled group fights are the only reason I play this game, and I’m sure the same goes for so many of you.
So, thank you to everyone we fought. Keep up the good work, and keep roaming alive.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
Haha, nice find. Now that they are an “e-sport” they needed to try and force more people out of WvW into sPvP. Funny, but I still don’t like capturing points.
But hey, if you want a balanced PvP game that can only be found in sPvP.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
I too will be on a WvW/GW2 Hiatus after this patch. As a player who has both WvW Buffs, Applied Fortitude & Guard Leech, and coming from a server who is currently decimating the opposition the buffs I have are too powerful.
Currently I Have:
+250 Power from Bloodlust stacks
+150 All stats from Bloodlust Buffs
+100 Power from Guard Leech
+100 Power and 10% Crit damage from food
+112 Power from Nourishment (toughness)
+ 55 Power from Nourishment (vitality)
+ 2500 Health from Applied Fortitude
Leaving me with +767 Power & +4000 Health.
Anet, While I admire your determination to sway me into playing sPvP I will never want sit on capture points. It’s not going to happen. I will NOT go to sPvP for balance either, which I feel is another ploy to increase sPvP numbers.
Maybe one day you will realize that in GW2, WvW is the end game and it always has been.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
…Rally what I can? Play for fights? That’s easy to say when not getting rolled by roughly 3x numbers. That isn’t a fight at all: it’s a massacre! CD has 3-4 times the number that NSP has in wvw. How the kitten is that supposed to be fun?
If you’re looking for even numbered fights, you’re not going to find it anywhere in WvW. Do you understand how rare it is to find a “fair” fight?
I would take an outnumbered fight any day of the week because THAT is FUN! You need to rethink your statement and realize that losing is the best thing that can happen in WvW.
Do you know how many of the CD players are “Fair Weathers” right now? 60% of them at least. PLEASE go clean them up, send them back to dragon slaying. They are yours for the killing believe me I’ve seen them play and it’s horrendous. Enjoy your outmanned week and have some epic fights that you’re actually proud of.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
I have said it before and it clearly bears repeating, our focus is on making improvements to WvW as a game type…
We are focused on WvW right now and improving it.
If you’re focused on improving WvW, then why do you continue to ignore issues that have been evident since WvW’s inception? Answer that one Mr. Know it all Dev.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
We’ve been working on our small group tactics so you gave us some great practice! I was very impressed with the coordination you [vT] guys had, even when outmanned and we definitely learned a lot from you. We’d love to go at it with you guys again and I’ll be sure to keep an eye out for more of your guys on the battlefield.
=) Thanks! There have definitely been some great fights this matchup, and I think I can speak for all of us when I say we’d love to fight again anytime.
If you’re looking for us check Southern Borderlands and the camps in Eternal. We try to make it as obvious as possible where we are haha so if something is out of place we’re probably there. Hope to see you soon.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
So basically servers that are ranked near 13th will have an inc of mass transfers to try to be a top team in the lower league. Meanwhile the bottom servers of each league will just lose more people to these servers.
Yes, there will be a mass exodus from the 7-12 range and the very bottom to the servers that will be near or at the top of the leagues which will make the disparity between a team at the top and a team at the bottom even worse.
My question is: Is it possible for a server to move up or down in a league or are they locked in one of the brackets forever?
If they are locked in, get ready for some very very dead servers and a bunch of very bad matchups and a bunch of players quitting WvW or the game.
I’m glad there are other people out there who understand the consequences of these new leagues.
The only good thing I can see coming from this is that maybe all of us roamers can finally move to the lowest tier servers, completely give up on PPT and focus on the fights. Here’s to hoping that servers 22, 23, 24 are paired together for 7 weeks.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
“I can’t comment at this time as we haven’t finalized anything. In addition, you should look at it this way, if people flee lower league servers to get into the top leagues, it opens the opportunity for people to move to those lower leagues and finish 1st or 2nd, rather than being in the top league and finishing 6th or 7th. The rewards for finishing 2nd in the Bronze League will be markedly better than the rewards for finishing 6th in the Gold league.” -Devon Carver
Just in-case any of you missed this post by Devon, I felt it was something every avid WvW player should read. Congratulations 1st Place….. and 13th Place you earned it.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
…it opens the opportunity for people to move to those lower leagues and finish 1st or 2nd, rather than being in the top league and finishing 6th or 7th. The rewards for finishing 2nd in the Bronze League will be markedly better than the rewards for finishing 6th in the Gold league.
You’re F-ing kidding me right? What the hell does “markedly better” mean. When was the last time you sat down and looked at the title of your game?
Guild Wars
Where in this game do you see Guild wars? Ohh right.. behind the windmill at the unsanctioned GvG.
I just wanted to congratulate Blackgate, Tarnished Coast, Fort Aspenwood, Dragonbrand and everyone else who puts in hard work and dedication every week in WvW but doesn’t finish first… Kaineng is going to get better rewards than you because.. Well I have no idea why.
GG
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
I’ve consistently said we are doing 2 leagues in NA and 3 in EU. The leagues will be broken up strictly by world rating at the conclusion of the matchup prior to the league start.
The WvW Community has consistently said your ideas are bad.
You’re gonna get Jay Wilson’d if you keep it up.
Let’s face it, you’re going to have to consolidate servers here pretty soon. The lower tiers are dead, and I mean dead. I recently transferred off of one because we roamed for 2 hours and didn’t see a single player.
4 Leagues, possibly 3 when you decide it’s time to merge Anvil Rock, Devona’s, and Fergs.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
To those [vT] guys, quite impressive how you run a 1-man frontline and a couple of backline players so well in such a small party size. Unfortunately my group got attracted to that tanky Juggernaught-wielding Charr too much to focus down the squishy casters behind, leading to a wipe on several occasions.
Thanks for the compliment, we appreciate the love =).
It’s nice to know there are still people like you playing who can be civil and show some respect to the other teams. But those were great fights, and lots of fun. Hope to see you guys out there some more this week.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
However, WvW is its own game type and it requires attention specific to it.
If you truly believe that why do you continue to let sPvP dictate the games balance? If WvW is it’s own game then treat it like it’s own game.
I can’t blame you maybe you just don’t know and all you play is WvW and not sPvP or don’t follow what has been said.
There is no specific balance team there is only the balance team. There are plenty of skills in this game that are different in sPvP than WvW.
thieves have 4 sec reveal in sPvP and not in WvW
Signet of resortation heals for less in sPvP than WvW
dhuumfire is 2 secs of burning in sPvP its 4 secs in WvW
confusion use to be the the damage it was in PvE was the same in WvW they then brought it down in WvW to sPvP levels but left it the same in PvE.
WvW has runes and sigils that sPvP doesn’t
I could keep going but sPvP balance and WvW balance are definitely different just the teams that make balance changes are the same for the entire game.
I’m completely aware that there is only one balance team. But if WvW is its “own” game does it not deserve its own balance team? There are very slight differences but they make overall class adjustments based on sPvP….. Because sPvP is a thriving esport that generates incredible revenue.
Regardless it’s a comment made for our friend Mr. Carver based on what I think is a silly comment, which is calling WvW it’s “OWN” game.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
This has been one of my favorite matchups. There has been great roaming from both FA and Ebay. So a big shout-out and thank you to everyone who decided not to run in massive zergs and attack doors all week.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
…. I’ll never understand people’s need to exaggerate on the forums…. blah blah
^Types this. Goes on to exaggerate himself. Lawl.
No exaggeration. You guys just took Bay and were pouring off the walls. This guy is just mad, it happens too often in this game. But in all honesty, the maps have felt pretty desolate because everyone is running in one massive zerg. So to say that I exaggerated myself about the zerg behind him is not true.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
Still waiting to see an average skill leveled roamer from DB. So far only glimpsed key boarded turners and players who instantly run to spawn or a tower before even engaging.
Coming from the guy who’s in the guild that has a char warrior that always runs away with a warhorn and sword every time for 1v1 then waits for his other vT friends to come kill me. But fail
Always? I’ll never understand people’s need to exaggerate on the forums.
Did I run yes, I remember that fight because I was laughing my kitten off as I watched the zerg flow in behind you. You do know you had your Commander tag up right? If you think I was running from you that’s even funnier =)
“Lôkíi -Commander [NNK]”
GG
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
Oh man, so mature. Gonna quote an old post just for the sake of causing problems. What, did you get a flag through your skull one too many times and come back to cry to me about it?
But yeah, “free bags” That must be why I and some pugs ran your pitiful group off on multiple occasions in our home BL the other night, huh? In the event you did kill them, you still couldn’t focus me down, even with your laughable roaming squad. On one occasion you didn’t even have the guts to cap the camp after I went back into it alone.
Try harder, Perphection. vT is far from threatening. I could kill any one of you 1v1 at any time and have flagged more of you than you ever encountered me alone, laughing while I did so – this I have discerned from watching your group try so very hard to succeed and fail time and time again. I did so enjoy watching you bleed out.
Lol, your posts are hilarious. I love how much you embellish, well I guess I should say lie. Again, do whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better =) At the end of the day you’ll still be angry and I’ll know the truth. I just wish there was a block on the forums too..
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
I don’t see the big problem with this build. It’s useful to have in a party with me but I have trouble thinking of it as some sort of OP monster build, given what other classes are capable of. It’s rather funny that as soon as the warrior class starts running something even the slightest bit viable, people throw a fit about it.
If people think Healing Signet with that amount is bad, wait until they encounter a build like the one I’m running now in WvW, haha.
You’re free loot bags. Maybe you should take the advice of these people.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
There are loads of players who do this. Just like the players who repair walls, man siege, and upgrade keeps. It’s obvious you’re not one of these players, which is fine. No one is telling, or asking for that matter, how to play the game. And if WvW wasn’t for those things, they’d remove them from the game. The fact is they remain, and players choose to do this.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
These particular changes are indeed on the client-side. They won’t impact lag, unfortunately. We are still both investigating additional ways to combat skill lag, not that there are any particularly good looking options at the moment, and continuing to make improvements to overall game performance as we can.
There are plenty of AMAZING options to reducing skill lag. The problem is you’re approaching the situation wrong.
First ask yourself, “Why do we get skill lag?” We get skill lag because it is completely advantageous to Zerg. So you promote Zerging and your game cannot support it. That is your first problem.
So, Mr. Devon Carver and WvW team what are some ways that you could reduce the amount of players who amass at one specific location? (Yes, big fights can be fun I know, I know some people play for them. But even they will admit the skill lag can get horrendous.)
A very real, and very simple start to this ongoing process of reducing WvW lag is this. DO NOT make it a requirement to be inside the ring in order to achieve WXP. The Havoc Squad on the other side of the map keeping 20 enemies from both opposing sides preoccupied surely helped. The players hunting Yaks, and cutting off reinforcements helped. Everyone helped, it was a server wide effort make it advantageous to separate your forces but still be rewarded for your effort.
Stop trying to treat the symptoms, and instead tend to the underlying cause.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
I mean, it’s not like I post video’s or anything… <check sig>. You don’t want the embarrassment. I’m sure I can find one of the many clips of this happening.
So I came on, asked you to produce a video, and instead you make another forum post. You, sir, are a LIAR <glove slap>. You have offended my guild, my honor, my country, and a few of my cats. Video, or kitten off.
-fim
Good Sir,
Your cats are scruffy, your Country questionable, your honor needs improvement and your guild…. they smell of yaks urine.
Here is the Proof of the Failed attempts of any kind of ~honorable~ endeavours
Hahaha, I love it. That’s awesome man, your commentary had me laughing pretty good “..No no no.. Something’s not right.” LOL
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
Well… it sounds like we’ve ruined your weekend. If you don’t want to die in WvW, maybe you should stick to PvE? You’d probably be better at that… I hope.
But if you makes you feel better to rant on the forums, go for it. For all I care you can tell everyone you soloed our entire guild + 5 pugs. Also, if you want to continue talking trash to us, do so directly and leave it off the forums. Thanks.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
The ~ONLY~ people I see actually out roaming around are the vT guys (kudos to you btw)..
Thanks, that means a lot =) I think all of us can agree that we have more respect for people who will actually stand and fight. It’s frustrating when you join a PvP game and only find people who want to fight doors.
I dunno if you guys from vT remember the sylvari ele from fight night back when we were playing BP I think (musta been months ago). Anyways, I’m still looking for duels if you guys are ever out there.
(Actually bowed at you guys a few times, but your party was full and the pugs just ate me. lolz.)
Haha, yeah man I remember you =) Message us or join group anytime, I think all of us enjoy dueling every now and then.
lol, why kudos to vT? All I’ve seen them do is run around stomping lone players and flipping empty camps. When approached, they run for the hills.
We ambushed them not even that long ago in N camp – an even fight – and utterly wiped them.
All I can say is sorry that you happened to be that “lone player” over and over. I’m also sorry that it caused you to Alt-F4 on multiple occasions (that was not our intent).
You’re absolutely right about the flipping camp bit though. We’re Roamers, it’s what we do. We’re not here to fight doors and take keeps. Our purpose is to draw you out, cut off your supply and hopefully put enough color on the map that so that the rest of our server might join us.
If you’d like a fair fight I’ll gladly accept. PM me anytime.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
This post made me so sad. I kind of wish they would take loot out of WvW for this exact reason. Maybe then people would learn to play opposed to spamming “1”.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
Why is Vt so bad lol, we had a fair 3v3 and they lost…. They must have been mad bec they came back with a few extra to chase us down.
Too bad that never happened or you would have put a screenshot of that up instead…
How did you like being spawn camped for hours on end this morning? You had more than double our numbers then yet you don’t hear us complaining.
You’re giving GF a bad name and it’s rather sad. We really respect the rest of GF, they’re all really great people and players. You on the other hand just don’t fit in with that crowd seeing how you are neither.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
i’d like to see both, the 9th placed server and the 10th placed server, fight each other more, and fight the 14th placed server less. But, we know that ain’t gonna happen cause ya scared.
SCAREDY KITTENS! SCAREDY KITTENS!
I’m confused i don’t really give a kitten if i die in a video all i remember BP and AR doing was kittening running away to your tower at every case you can (There is a small few that i like in BP and moose man Im talking to you that actually stay out and fight ) Im more then 99% sure your one of those people so i probably hate you. Now im not saying ebay does not do this but i know for a fact the teams i run with don’t really care weather they die. step down of that horse of yours and get kicked in the guts and roll on the ground.
Haha, ahh thanks man! The same can be said for GH & GF. Not only do you guys fight, but you fight well =)
As far as me staying out and fighting… I think that’s just pure stupidity on my part! To be honest everyone in vT will try to fight regardless of the odds. We’d rather put up a good fight than be labeled as cowards.
Mooooseee Mannn Jonneeess
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
What you’ll see in the above posts by Virtute, whoever he might be..(who are you anyway?), is one of the “…other reasons…but let’s not get into that.” we’re looking for a new home.
ALS random, we’re sorry that our guild has group cohesion and actual organization. It is the reason we refused to work with your rag-tag spam invitation guild.
Your guild tag should be a badge of honor, something you take pride in wearing. I can absolutely say that Virtute, and I know most players respect it when they see it as well.
Anyone reading this, what you can take from these random posts is this. Our Havoc squad is so effective, and that we have such a large impact that 500 member guilds haven’t been able to replicate our success. Thanks.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
that actually stay out and fight ) Im more then 99% sure your one of those people so i probably hate you. Now im not saying ebay does not do this but i know for a fact the teams i run with don’t really care weather they die. step down of that horse of yours and get kicked in the guts and roll on the ground.
