Guild Wars 2

u can cap bleeds/chills at 97.2% with sigil of malice and 2xtrapper/4xnightmare runes without food.
taking berserker runes with rare veggie pizza it will give u 92.2% chill/bleeds.

mark 3 traited does chill, 3xpoison, 3x vuln, 3x bleed inv pve/1x bleed in pvp. so 3 is good also. while mark 2 is meeeeh for condi/power, but if someone is playing kvazi healer necro is good aoe heal with short recharge.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAW7dnM0Albid3AW3A0biFcBD6qFAaBRbgOwII+K+FHjA-e

shout build is pure melee build… without insta stability u r more or less easy kill in melee raids. we lost it with plague elite skill when it was remade, skill when u turned in to a god of toughness spreading conditions. The only one that is left is through soul reaping trait line – foot in the grave.
many rather play mid range/range, condi/well power builds.

http://qtfy.eu/build/necromancer

they should fix or update fractal reaper with dark magic trait since there are no minions under skills :S

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYRnM0Ad3gdbCe1As3gliBLuHWETiSfgQQHIKAMASAA-TRyCQBK4UIAgjEwxegBhbhhWqE8iK/en+m/p+DV2HgQAKmDA-e

well i like this one

problem with trailbrazer gear is gold if that is an issue… trinkets u get easy with pve grind. exotics for free as helm, shoulders and gloves by doing WvW tiers with selectable stats.
craft is pain for me. so atm i’m stuck with trailbrazers trinkets and viper celestial gear.

if traited right using 1 skill:
chill > 3x vuln > 3x bleed
blidness > 3x vuln > chill > 3x bleeds
fear > 3x vuln > chill > 3x bleeds

U can’t see so high ticks cos:
- u don’t hit those 5 same targets, so “no” condi stacking
- there is a lot of cleanse going on, so “no” condi stacking
- lots of blocks/dodges/missing, so “no” condi stacking
- players with various def setups/stats/buffs
- …
PvP aint PvE even in WvW

meeeeh ull be surprised how well viper/trailbrazers combo works well in wvw.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAW7dnc0AVbi10AG1A0biliBj6JMFKCx9wiYSMKAMA6WA-TFyCQBHU9H8t/AyuCAK4BAURlfoUJIAOIA3T3AhAWsGA-w

its funny when u see target on the walls when u hit them and they start running around and u see only ur condi ticks and their HP drops to 0 behind the wall

tweak abit for ur likes and have fun with it.

STOP using word effective in WvW cos skill is crap. Rarely is usable in any situations in WvW mode. So for elite this skill sux *.
PLague was the only sustainable skill with insta stab without traiting or going to shroud. Spamming blindness, crippled and weakness in the midle of melee train without any full bunker builds, so it was imba. And it had usefulness in any situation in WvW which plaguelands don’t.

Long cast, no stab or so whatever def addon to secure that cast, ground “self” target skill, to many pulses to reach any usefulness out of it, cos even the dumbest players have time to avoid it’s critical dmg. And even less skilled ppl learned to stalk necros on walls trying to jump on sieges.
Skill as it is have no place in elite slot. imho

viper/trailbrazers set with condi build ofc and of u go to wvw….

healing power is a waste for necro… got my 3rd necro as “healer” and what can i say … not worth the gold and trouble.

minions are mindless creatures/corpses with some abilities. so we can’t compare them with pets.
Rather compare them with zombies with one skill

my necro hood/hoodless clone asura-female

well smth like this for WvW as vanila power necro: https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Wells_Backline
imo use foot in the grave in soul reaping since we lost plague the only skill with insta stab on necro without goin to shroud. so ull need it.
plague as i mentioned above is changed, more like killed for wvw usage. now is called plaguelands which acts like a well on ur position. it sux balls tho.
Axe got power buff which makes it pretty strong as range especially ghastly claws.
Atm meta build for necro WvW is viper conndi build. since reaper trait and new stats on HoT are realy strong.

For PvE dagger/focus and axe/x with sigils of force/bloodlust/strength . full zerker with scholar.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRBIhdu1IDN0Sj10gjNwejjahCmABwMMXipYLojxcUtA-T1RBABmpEkS1fua/R5He6Ho4EAAwTAYhDCApA0TZE-w

with reaper u can upkeep full stacks of vuln and might.

atm HoT is almost a must cos of reaper trait. u can hardly see any vanila necro in wvw.

miguelsil.6324:

Rapier.3675:

Why do roamers even QQ about condis in wvw? It is a mode for larger group play. So whats ur point? Try that in zergs with lots of cleansee. U’ll get 1 or 2 ticks on targets, IF.
Like in upper post guards stack fire like maniacs and fire>bleed dmg wise. With skills and traits.
We do have alot of skills which brings bleeds IF traited right. But still is hard to stack on the zerg.
Before HoT condi builds was almost none existent in wvw. Only in some romers builds.

Anyway WvW IS for MASS PvP and not for ROAMERS. Ther is SPvP for that. Roamers don’t contribute to WvW community, they just take out of it.

And that is why a lot of people will leave this game for a better one as soon as it comes out. Since most find zerging braindead gameplay in this game and roaming actually takes skill.

Many leave games for better ones… Still its a mode for mass pvp aka sieging, taking lands etc… to which roamers are not contributing, just taking slot from ppl who want to play in those as u think mindless zergs.

Lahmia.2193:

Rapier.3675:

for lvling just use dagger/x for melee and axe/x for range.

dagger was nerfed to 2 targets.

*buffed

It use to be single target.

my bad.

Why do roamers even QQ about condis in wvw? It is a mode for larger group play. So whats ur point? Try that in zergs with lots of cleansee. U’ll get 1 or 2 ticks on targets, IF.
Like in upper post guards stack fire like maniacs and fire>bleed dmg wise. With skills and traits.
We do have alot of skills which brings bleeds IF traited right. But still is hard to stack on the zerg.
Before HoT condi builds was almost none existent in wvw. Only in some romers builds.

Anyway WvW IS for MASS PvP and not for ROAMERS. Ther is SPvP for that. Roamers don’t contribute to WvW community, they just take out of it.

for lvling just use dagger/x for melee and axe/x for range.

dagger was nerfed to 2 targets.

well dagger is faster since its auto attack hits 2 targets tho while axe is focused on 1 target. and with dagger u get heals.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Also to add, assuming the elites stack, which they should,

Don’t underestimate the damage of the New plagueland. It is far superior to our current wells. Just taking the first condi pulse bleed alone, one reaper would stack 9 bleeds at the end of the elite. 10 reapers = 90 bleed stacks. Add 10 epidemic to it and neighbouring sieges get 900 bleed stacks. And all these bleeds tick over time. And then there is chill stacking which increases bleed stacks even more due to reaper trait.

Also assuming that ppl do move out of red circles, use cleansee etc.? Saw some enemy necro jumping on our half afk zerg, land plagulands, second after he was eaten and zerg didn’t even bother to go out of the circle. like nothing happened there. necro respawned.

OK OK OK i have tried it yesterday in wvw vs zerg. here it goes.

“wait for it, wait for it, waaaaaait. NOW!” fast double dodge. “OMG look at that bleed ticked, OMG OMG poisson ticks with bleeds” ….. crickets…. " wait what?! o0 thats it? OMFG!" raaaaage.

same through whole yesterdays match.

I wonder how many condi necros will u see in random squads since new patch was added.

golem… at least it moves to the target …

oh cmon don’t make it even worse. looking for mesmer just to use some skill which is elite and it sux balls in wvw or any no static mode!
it huge impact to a necro cos plague was best elite to use in wvw imho.

HoTM mobs are running out of any fields. so plaguelands is lolskill even in PvE
Epidemic is slow. If u wanna have u full usage of it. u need to focus only on 1 mob, cos aoe kills faster then epidemic drops on mobs. can be blocked.

grave of hearts.7830:

Pve wise doesnt seem as good,but i think this looks nice for a phase in phase out style for wvw.
Spectral walk into a fight,drop shouts and plaguelands and spectral walk out or go with spectral walk+wurm combo for even more gap increase.
Time will show but right now i like plaguelands more than plague,mainly because it opens the option for bomber teams.

Why would i take another skill slot just to land some circle which everyone will dodge out or block? to kill afk players?

Plaguelands is total crap and forced many to switch to another char. Necro will have to focus in HP or toughness just to survive bombs while running through fields of red circles. We lost insta stab without traiting Foot in the Grave.

plague aka plagueland just killed usage of it in WvW/PvP. Another lost for necro to escape or overcome bombing. No stability. They already nerfed it with range now theyve killed it.
another useless well with 1 condition per tick, easy to escape.

there goes aoe condition necro bombing and hard earned gear… back to power necro.

Years ago while playing GvG power necro was the only well bomber for backline.
Your build imo is more for melee/mid range train since u r running with 3 shouts and chill sigil on swap. And condition and CC pressure is kinda low

https://metabattle.com/wiki/Necromancer pick one which suits ur playstile, tweak them abit or ad to ur own…

im running with this for fun if im lazy http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYWjc0QjN2bD20A/NWCGs4iYTMKKtC+APtoEQAocB-TVSFQBLUp31WYIZHBg+p+DAeEAETZQ70F4RlgKZfgAAIAzMycmBQIAFzBA-w

otherwise i switch death magic for spite to do more vulner and emp in shroud…

Lahmia.2193:

flow.6043:

Lahmia.2193:

Well of Darkness would be fine, if Chilling Darkness had its ICD removed. But given how much blind we can already spam, this would inevitably lead to another big nerf. That’s why I think a different approach would be better.

Necros can spam blindness? Elaborate please.

Nightfall, Well of Darkness, Deathly Swarm, Death’s Charge. I guess at a push you could also include Plague #2.

Signet of Spite o/

U can trait blindness. so well of darkness and other blindness skills will do blindness > 3x vulnerability > chill > bleed. ^^
so pick up bitter chill , chilling darkness and deathly chill.

Jayne.9251:

HazyDaisy.4107:

My actual server tag above my head would be a start.

I really don’t understand why they haven’t done this already. It’s the simplest of fixes that would please a huge number of people.

Server identity was lost long time ago with introducing mega server. We knew players and guilds from “home” servers. U knew which players are slackers or scammers so u wont invite them in guild. Server communities has been formed in LA. So when we were lacking players in wvw someone just hoped in LA and shout for more ppl.

IMO already used in other games reward system to guilds should be introduced. By owning keep by any guild there should be lets say gold reword per week/day from “home” world LA taxes out of selling/buying at npc.
Let say X guild is owning a keep. If they manage to own/defend that keep for whole day the daylie taxes from lions arch from NPCs would be transfer to that X guild.
If X guild is owning enemies keep for a day, daylie LA taxes would be transferd from enemies “home” town LA to X guild.
Could be taxes per hour.

This will appeal many to join/form wvw guilds. Zerges would be devided among keeps. In this way skill lags would be history when 3 sides are clashing for SM or smth.

cos i wanna land as much diferent conditions i can in shortest time. imo if u concentrate only on one or two conditions on enemy groups with all that cleansee u wont do much dmg to target.
and i did some changes in trait line curses: plague sending switched to chilling darkness for more chill->bleed on blindness.
master of coruption to terror since I made a mistake on builder. so more dmg on fear.

Does it work? can’t see any increasing of critical hit chance or any stacks when applying vuln.
If it works, how does it work?

atm i’m running with this in wvw zerg : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYWjc0QvNWTDO2A/NWMGs4dYQ8IKFCqAFtofWAYbB-TVyCQBHU9HUqE8e6DAwhAQBnBgKq8jKLPEudAm2DAgQAKmDA-w

well vipers/trailbraizers makes stacking alot easier. here u go some demo with minions: http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYRjM0QXNWdD+1A7NWKGMqhwU4WFFAGAJg4eYRMJC-TxhHQBZUJI50HQP1fAwpAoWPBACq8rc7PEA4AQiP+4j34jP+4jnUALqsC-e

FrostDraco.8306:

Rapier.3675:

Obtena.7952:

Rapier.3675:

FrostDraco.8306:

Rapier.3675:

I’m running with this : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQJARWnc0At0gN2AebCs3glpBTaAUACATtsLwHI+DWCfhA-TxRBABA8AAwTXwCHBAKV/xMlgXt/o8jiLBAA-e

going balls deep everytime without dying ^^

Kill that build with fire and bury it. It’s terrible.

whats wrong with necros lazy and easy mode for open pve farming . o0

I don’t think it’s that the build is lazy and easy. It’s just not that good. A few things I can see not well done:

1. You’re killing OW trash with a GS and none of the few damage multipliers necros have.
2. You’re traited in minions deep … but only using one permanent minion?
3. You’re slow because you didn’t trait RS signet or use daggers with RS trait
4. You have a trait that needs 4 stacks of bleed to work .. but you only make 2 with Staff
5. Back to #4 .. you’re missing lots of trait synergies … how come you didn’t trait Deathly chill to work with Blood Bond?
6. You have Sigil of Strength, not the best Sigil you could have.

If you wanted lazy and easy, You would just go full minion with Axe/Dagger … Death, Spite, Blood. Game AI is not good so minions will always tank and you can hang back and AA all you like with the runspeed to get you around fast. Make no mistake though … boring. It’s also not really what the OP asked for; it’s certainly not the best for soloing or being fast.

Why minion deep? Got two tho. In build I did a mistake while making it. I am using blood fiend insted of CC. My bad. They are perfect agro. Backing up perma minions with rise. So kittens = 5 minions = more toughnes, more cleanse/transfer and reduced dmg. And thtat is why Augury of Death is used. To reduce recharg.
mark of blood + SoS = activating BB if needed (mainly for champs). So no need for DC so i went for more ferocity and attack speed while in shroud. And extra power from SoS comes in handy out of the shroud . Ofc for faster travel I switch to locust.
Since i’m doing clasical AOE farm, I need a weapon which hits more targets. Dagger have only 2 targets on hit while GS have 3 on auto attack and DS, rest have 5. And dmg with Gravedigger is usefull when u do +- 10k dmg on 5 mobs. And more targets = more heals + gravediggers health steal.

Staff is good for kiting when minions are on cooldown.

If you are doing AOE farm you shouldnt be using minions at all. The build is bad, and your play is too from what you just said.

Everything you just describe is the exact opposite of going balls deep. It’s running around because you have no sustain, or damage, or tankyness, preventing your inevitable death.

I’m doing AOE easy without a swet, dying or runing around…

You’ll have to craft armor and weapons. For ascended lay line sparks are needed. For exotics black diamonds which are not so expencive to buy + Vial of Linseed Oil which is easy to craft/farm mats.

Builds you can find here : https://metabattle.com/wiki/Necromancer
I used to run with this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYWnM0Albid3AW3A0biFcBL+K+FHjRbgOwIA6qFAOAA-TVyCQB3TfAVWeIc7AcRlfHU9nWqEUBnAAAcEAQ2jAgQALWDA-w
if u’ll have trouble with surviving switch in courses, lingering curse to parasitic contagion.

anyway there are many trait combos for condition builds. some use soul reaping tree for duumfire etc…

if u played or playing wvw, u can buy hero points with proofs of heroics on wvw maps at npc to train those skills

and yes vipers all the way for open pve… that condition duration called expertise will make stacking conditins easier.

trinkets u can get just by farm on the maps like doric lake… for the armor just farm ley line sparks and black cry.

Obtena.7952:

Rapier.3675:

FrostDraco.8306:

Rapier.3675:

I’m running with this : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQJARWnc0At0gN2AebCs3glpBTaAUACATtsLwHI+DWCfhA-TxRBABA8AAwTXwCHBAKV/xMlgXt/o8jiLBAA-e

going balls deep everytime without dying ^^

Kill that build with fire and bury it. It’s terrible.

whats wrong with necros lazy and easy mode for open pve farming . o0

I don’t think it’s that the build is lazy and easy. It’s just not that good. A few things I can see not well done:

1. You’re killing OW trash with a GS and none of the few damage multipliers necros have.
2. You’re traited in minions deep … but only using one permanent minion?
3. You’re slow because you didn’t trait RS signet or use daggers with RS trait
4. You have a trait that needs 4 stacks of bleed to work .. but you only make 2 with Staff
5. Back to #4 .. you’re missing lots of trait synergies … how come you didn’t trait Deathly chill to work with Blood Bond?
6. You have Sigil of Strength, not the best Sigil you could have.

If you wanted lazy and easy, You would just go full minion with Axe/Dagger … Death, Spite, Blood. Game AI is not good so minions will always tank and you can hang back and AA all you like with the runspeed to get you around fast. Make no mistake though … boring. It’s also not really what the OP asked for; it’s certainly not the best for soloing or being fast.

Why minion deep? Got two tho. In build I did a mistake while making it. I am using blood fiend insted of CC. My bad. They are perfect agro. Backing up perma minions with rise. So kittens = 5 minions = more toughnes, more cleanse/transfer and reduced dmg. And thtat is why Augury of Death is used. To reduce recharg.
mark of blood + SoS = activating BB if needed (mainly for champs). So no need for DC so i went for more ferocity and attack speed while in shroud. And extra power from SoS comes in handy out of the shroud . Ofc for faster travel I switch to locust.
Since i’m doing clasical AOE farm, I need a weapon which hits more targets. Dagger have only 2 targets on hit while GS have 3 on auto attack and DS, rest have 5. And dmg with Gravedigger is usefull when u do +- 10k dmg on 5 mobs. And more targets = more heals + gravediggers health steal.

Staff is good for kiting when minions are on cooldown.

FrostDraco.8306:

Rapier.3675:

I’m running with this : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQJARWnc0At0gN2AebCs3glpBTaAUACATtsLwHI+DWCfhA-TxRBABA8AAwTXwCHBAKV/xMlgXt/o8jiLBAA-e

going balls deep everytime without dying ^^

Kill that build with fire and bury it. It’s terrible.

whats wrong with necros lazy and easy mode for open pve farming . o0

Kilo.2539:

Rapier.3675:

well at least i see veriety of builds on the map and not just power builds. and necros do shine finaly after all those years of hiting heads in the wall.

Power Necro is absolutely viable, atm.

Using Necro as an example of my point in OP. Necros have the highest HP in game plus Lifeforce. Now add full trailblazer and the ability to “burst” down foes in seconds with (Damage Over Time) DOT.

When damage over time means more damage per second than damage per second.. _

Yeah true they have highest HP and LF with not moch of an escape abilities

I’m running with this : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQJARWnc0At0gN2AebCs3glpBTaAUACATtsLwHI+DWCfhA-TxRBABA8AAwTXwCHBAKV/xMlgXt/o8jiLBAA-e

going balls deep everytime without dying ^^

Lineage 2 siege system > any …

well at least i see veriety of builds on the map and not just power builds. and necros do shine finaly after all those years of hiting heads in the wall.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVEQRArf8flsAhigYVQwZIwPEHxDlNEehHNPGt4MWDgtcAA-TxBBQBO7hAwRlfvUJIAODAuY/B/pfwhq/AA-e

this is my burning pve build… 100% burning duration without any food. atm im runing full vipers and farming for trailbraziers trinkets. Using spirit weapons for agroing. works great for me

been in the strong wvw guild and got bored of constant meaningless runs with hope to find some enemy zerg/guild on the map. acheiving absolutely nothing in the process. every day same crap over and over. i was missing that smth you fight for like castles, guild halls, territory etc. being noticed as a guild not as a whole server where since MS was introduced none gives a crap outside of wvw from which server u came from.
it was fun for a while but to those who played other games where ur clan/guild/ally had constant wars, sieges, fights for farm spots, ganking enemy etc., wvw will never satisfied their needs.

still nothing …