Guild Wars 2

I reckon the abysmally slow updates, the terrible balance to the game every 3 months, and the overall lack of polish in everything they do is hurting the game.

The review stating that you have to be a “yes man” is pretty telling and confirms my suspicions. Anet is a gaggle of idiots that cant handle criticism. Why else would they post that they dont listen to any “negative” criticisms on their own forums?

Im a bit confused here. This thread was posted a month ago stated that 2 guilds will be raid testing. So if its out in the open then why does the guild need to state what has already been stated?

The crafting should have been an alternative to just another gold sink. As it is its just as much as an alternative as red and black chess is to black and white chess.

Reading the description of the gyro I too thought it would be OP but putting it into practice is a different story. The gyro wobbles around barely keeping up with you so you have to move at a snails pace to even get the 30 seconds of stealth. Its pretty worthless for an elite skill TBH.

The design is terrible. Success should never be reliant on faceless strangers that you will never communicate with on any level. Map chat doesn’t cut it.

PvE players being forced into WvWvW and PvP is a lose-lose situation for the majority of people. PvE players dont want to do it and WvWvW and PvP players dont want hordes of people that dont even want to be there ruining their PvP objectives/experience.

Alteraphim.4629:

TheDraco.3965:

The way the precursor crafting is set up now isnt an alternative to buying one, its a straight up inferior choice. Why would I go and do random tasks in the world when I can farm and bank gold to the equivalent cost. Both of these are too expensive, and if the price is the same then crafting is an objective waste of time.

If you want to get it quickly than farming gold is the superior choice. If time is not an issue for you the collection is superior, since all of the mats can be gathered while doing multiple types of content and you can choose to either supplement it with any gold earned or not.

Time is exactly my issue. Time is a currency. If you are going to make me spend more time to obtain an item then I expect to be adequately compensated for my time. If I could buy a book for 10$ or buy the same book for 1$ a week over 10 weeks, why the hell would I pick the later? The better choice is to just save up 10$ and buy the book.

The way the precursor crafting is set up now isnt an alternative to buying one, its a straight up inferior choice. Why would I go and do random tasks in the world when I can farm and bank gold to the equivalent cost. Both of these are too expensive, and if the price is the same then crafting is an objective waste of time.

Alteraphim.4629:

TheDraco.3965:

Honestly if they just removed the timegate from the crafted materials it would be more reasonable. And enough of this “that would ruin the economy excuse”.

Why wouldn’t it ruin the economy?

The economy really shouldnt be the first concern. The biggest problem with the original GW1 is bleeding into GW2. There is a massive economic wall barring players from progression that keeps getting larger and larger as Anet nerfs farms. All this leaves is a very small percentage of players will all the wealth. This is nonsense and should be destabilized.

Honestly if they just removed the timegate from the crafted materials it would be more reasonable. And enough of this “that would ruin the economy excuse”.

They packaged living story season 3 in a 50$ bundle and we were foolish enough to buy it. That is why the story is short, its not a real expansion.

Where can you get these armors? Cant find info about them anywhere. Are they even in the game yet?

This is typical of the GW2 fanbase. Since the beginning there have been hoards of people with delusional ramblings of “there is no grind” and “this isnt the game for you” .

I wasnt aware that failing meta events over and over because dozens of faceless players dont know what theyre doing is considered “meaningful challenge”.

There are 8 Tyria mastery points for doing the achievements on each part of LS season 2. Im not sure if you need them to get all the Tyria mastery tracks completed though.

The way it lags behind you makes it fairly useless considering its an elite skill.

Deviant.2304:

The point is, you don’t like the direction the game is going, don’t play and move on. No on is forcing a grind here. If you grind lol, thats all on you.. I do everything I want without repeating any content.

Playing fun content for more then two hours to unlock and progress an elite spec they promised you right away!! How dare they!

So you’re saying that no game should ever be improved upon? No criticisms are valid and you should just leave for even suggesting there are flaws? You sir are the worst kind of person for any community.

This is just wrong. You are forced to grind events. In core GW2 you could go anywhere you want and do anything you want, you could even walk to cursed shore at low level. There wasnt a single arbitrary restriction.

In Heart of Thorns massive amounts of exploration are locked behind a wall of experience that can only realistically be gained through events. If they made it so you can gain HoT mastery experience outside of the HoT zone it would be a lot less frustrating.

As it stands 4/10.

If they removed the experience requirement for masteries then it would be 8/10 easily.

I have to agree and also add that it blocks the open world as well. Imagine playing a “metriodvania” game that forces you to kill a bunch of monsters before you can even use the powerups you find to explore the maps. That would be incredibly boring, which is exactly what I find this map gating.

What does POI really matter anyway? All it ever is is 60% useless affable, mr rogers, roody poody, conversation, and 40% telling you everything they’ve already posted in text with an extremely rare change of getting actual new information.

Good riddance.

I dont get where Anet got the idea that they strongly want to make a game without the trinity when they already have one. Its called Guild Wars, a game that had MANY roles and did not fall into a hard trinity. The GW2 meta is nothing but do damage and give damage dealers boons to do more damage.

I will look you straight in the eye and tell you that given the combination of the track record of anet’s “content” and what they’ve shown us of the expansion, that asking for 50$ is hilariously laughable.

jheryn.8390:

IndigoSundown.5419:

What are the odds this beta revealed everything the expansion will bring? I didn’t play it, but by all reports I’ve seen this beta did not show that much.

The odds are slim. We have access to only one part of a zone so far. That is it. Although there will not be a huge number of zones, there will be several new zones.

So no, I don’t believe we have seen everything the expansion has to bring. In fact, I find that to be silly.

I believe there will be a lot of content we will never see until the expansion drops.

Or maybe. Just maybe. Arenanet will continue to to exactly what they’ve been doing since GW2 launched. Minimum work/Maximum profit fodder for the “casual audience”.

phys.7689:

TheDraco.3965:

phys.7689:

TheDraco.3965:

This talk about the marionette is a perfect example of the point I made in the original post. You cannot have meaningful group content in the open world if your success is dependent on people you cant even reasonably communicate with.

yes you can, you just are going to have to have people accept that they are a group, and that means if a enough people play poorly, they will lose.

i lost a lot of marrionettes, and i won some.
The difference was that people played better, thats a good reason to succeed imo.

people will not learn how to read chat/communicate/learn the game, if they never have to.

I played games where world bosses would wipe people who didnt play right, i dont know why thats such a crazy concept in this game.

You are outlining the problem here and propping it up like its a good thing. When you have an abundance of players who never have to communicate with you and you fail solely because of those people that’s BAD design.

When you have a small number of people that you can actually talk too, strategize, improve play with, where the victory is more within your control rather than blindly on random people that’s GOOD design.

They have world bossed which required like 40-60 people, that’s not to different than organizing 80-100.

It can be done, tequatl and wurm, while not personally interesting, have people doing it who learned how to play it.

People will learn to play when there is an incentive to do so. Even large groups, it happens here, and in every other game.

The difference between marrionette and teq/wurm is that it is more entertaining while learning, with more personal skill and less simulation level organiZation.

Other games have proven this wrong. Ill use the textbook example of WoW 40 man raids. The content was very challenging and had a very very low percent of success based solely on the fact that getting 40 people on the same page is too much. The 40 man raid was abandoned very quickly because they acknowledged this is terribly toxic design for the people who look for challenging content.

phys.7689:

TheDraco.3965:

This talk about the marionette is a perfect example of the point I made in the original post. You cannot have meaningful group content in the open world if your success is dependent on people you cant even reasonably communicate with.

yes you can, you just are going to have to have people accept that they are a group, and that means if a enough people play poorly, they will lose.

i lost a lot of marrionettes, and i won some.
The difference was that people played better, thats a good reason to succeed imo.

people will not learn how to read chat/communicate/learn the game, if they never have to.

I played games where world bosses would wipe people who didnt play right, i dont know why thats such a crazy concept in this game.

You are outlining the problem here and propping it up like its a good thing. When you have an abundance of players who never have to communicate with you and you fail solely because of those people that’s BAD design.

When you have a small number of people that you can actually talk too, strategize, improve play with, where the victory is more within your control rather than blindly on random people that’s GOOD design.

This talk about the marionette is a perfect example of the point I made in the original post. You cannot have meaningful group content in the open world if your success is dependent on people you cant even reasonably communicate with.

A bit of a bold statement but hear me out. Its been nearly 3 months since the announcement of the expansion and the only information given about “challenging group content” is pointing at an open world Wyvern boss. I find this fundamentally antithetical to what actually is “group content”. The open world is designed to allow anyone in the map to participate in fights. Now here’s the problem. Lets say the boss is easy and 50 people are participating. This leads to what is well known as “zerging” and is not interesting or engaging in any way.

So what if we add a bit more of a challenge? We’ll add more mechanics to the boss to make it more interesting and add accountability to the players. By the nature of the system this also becomes a problem. Lets say 15 of the 50 people are really dedicated, know their stuff, and want to get the boss down. Then the other 35 people are a mixed bag of not really invested, casual, apathetic to the situation. Its not reasonable to expect accountability from dozens of players that don’t have the same investment as you.

This is why there NEEDS to be actual group content. Content where small groups of friends can overcome a challenge. Content where GUILDS (its kinda in the name of the game) can form together to overcome a challenge.

OH NO someones saying something I dont like? Silence them!!!!

Very mature attitude to have.

Reading the recent post about outposts and adventures has me concerned for PvE. Open world by its very design will never be challenging. There is nothing stopping a giant horde of players autoattacking everything to death. Even if you add player accountability (something this community seems to be allergic too) to the fights it simply wont match the skill it takes and the satisfaction given from overcoming something in a small group. If they go this route many people who have been waiting for legitimate PvE content will be sorely disappointed.

Lets see….
Its living story season 3 not xpac.
No new races or classes.
More tuning to WvWvW when it should just be rebuilt from the ground up.
Maybe some new lands in conjunction to living story.
Maybe new legendaries.
Many people will rage and diehards will continue their sophistry and regurgitate “This just isnt the MMO for you” as per protocol.

Dont get me wrong I would be ecstatic if im wrong.

Part of me hopes its just living story season 3 and not an Xpac. Just so more people can feel the crushing disappointment that I feel for such a promising game going nowhere for over 2 years.

Anet tried to make a game that appeals to everyone. A model of creating a game which actually ends up appealing to a few to no one.

Anet is the very essence of disappointment at this point. Deus Ex Invisible War, FF13, and Duke Nukem Forever combined dont match the level of disappointment I have with GW2.

Oh come on guys. We all know the real problem. If precursors were craftable then Anet would have less people buying gems to convert to gold.

God the way Anet answers questions is highly cringeworthy. Just answer the questions stop dodging around everything like you’re mysterious. Its no longer getting people excited it just peeves them off.

I’m going to feel really old saying this but… they don’t make them like they used too. I’m not just referring to GW1 or even just MMOs but gaming as a whole. Somewhere around the year 2009 gaming took a massive change from making a good game of substance, strategy, story, replayability. But now this has shifted to flashy, empty, set pieces. This is really how I feel about GW2. Sure its pretty. Sure its “action packed”. Sure its expansive. But ultimately its a hollow experience.

This is just the way it goes with MMOs and unfortunately Anet doesn’t have a good track record with balancing classes so anyone can be whatever. E.G. Guild Wars 1 Dervish and Paragon nerfed to never be wanted.

Lets be honest. Rytlock failed because anet is too lazy to do something as ballsy as to remove most of the Ascalon ghosts.

Positive comment?

Well how about the fact that in order to get better at anything you need criticism. Floods of comments telling you you did a good job are dangerous to a content creators success. The fact that the forums have become a storm is a good thing as it means the community cares enough to improve the game.

Esprit Dumort.3109:

Zergs were the downfall in previous LS events and from what we’ve seen:

S2E1: Instanced – Success
S2E2: Instanced – Success
S2E3: Open World – Bugged

So it is.

Its almost as if instances are vital for a good MMO cough Guild Wars 1 cough.

Astral Projections.7320:

Which legitimate criticism of the game did OP make? (Ones that are personal opinions and offer no constructive feedback, such as flat statements that the professions are boring, don’t count).

-no end game
-grind all the time
-crafting

These are all points beaten like a dead horse for some time now that go ignored. I can expand
1. There are virtually no high effort high reward content in the game.
2. All of the end content revolves around grinding ascended/legendary and cosmetics, the only way of doing said grinding is low effort extremely low reward content.
3. The constant nerfing of farming, no more champion runs, NO MORE DYE DROPS (desperate grab for peoples money from lion chest keys).

I see this forum is still filled with ridiculous logic as always.

You think a sequel to a game should be an extension or an improvement over the original? NAW I GUESS YOU JUST WANT GW 1.2 !!!

Here want to eat some of this dirt? No? Well I guess it just “isnt the food for you”.

Someone making legitimate criticisms about the game? Nope lets just poo poo them and call them “negative” as if that completely removes any point that was made.

Vayne.8563:

Oh, I know. They’re peer moderated. People downvote stuff they don’t like (even if they shouldn’t) and it vanishes. That doesn’t happen here. Two, three, five guys here can keep a thread going forever. But if you count individual names in those threads, for and against, you’ll find that a long held thread doesn’t mean community agreement. It doesn’t mean everyone is saying the same thing, or that it agrees with anything else.

What do you mean that doesn’t happen here? Moderators remove posts they don’t like all the time. This is honestly the worst forum on the internet I have ever seen when it comes to moderation.

One thing we all want, and can agree on

Massive amounts of bugs are still waiting to be fixed.

I quit GW2 shortly after the SAB part 2. I couldnt sit through Living Story being nothing but a farm/zerg fest every month. Has the game changed from this path or is it pretty much the same?

If there isn’t a SAB then the only april fools joke is anet.

I think a lot of people expected there to be legitimate content added by now. More dungeons, zones, hard mode, “raids”, and things of that nature. It would appear that Anet is more interested in rehashing already existing content and pumping the gem store. That’s why people are becoming increasingly negative. I may be jumping the gun here as we have yet to see everything that’s coming next patch, but I wont hold my breath.

Now that they’re adding more ways to fight I hope they actually add something to fight. New zones? Dungeons? Raidlike content? But I wont hold my breath.