LMAO a condi thief player crying over condi cleanses.
Your build is like top cancer in PvP and WvW roaming, you have no grounds to cry.
Nice assumption, but if I take the time to post about my experience vs a vanilla LB/GS don’t you think there is something more to it than just getting outplayed?
I ended up switching to power d/p staff after my first two failed engagements as condi because I did notice straight away how consistent the removal was with saffron scented poultry soup (100% chance to remove a condition when you use a healing skill, +70 healing power). I was able to beat him as power much faster than I ever did with conditions. So did I really get outplayed on my condition builds? Maybe, or maybe his setup was carrying him to counter a condition damaging class.
You’re playing the condi build, mate. People need to go out of their way to counter you, in doing so they lose tons of power damage negation potential, and you’re mad?
Core ranger has okay cleanses but druid is infinitely better, and he’s running a kit that is the easiest for a condi thief to outplay.
I think it’s likely true you honestly got outplayed because you clearly don’t know how to yourself.
yea man, considering your a thief main this is a little surprising to hear.
Here is the truth, I landed my condition burst on this core ranger over 3/4th of the time during our fights. He just was capable of removing it all very quickly most times before the third tick. I do not see how that equates to getting out played, I just simply got countered. If I was losing my bursts to blocks or evades, I would have not even made this thread.
LMAO a condi thief player crying over condi cleanses.
Your build is like top cancer in PvP and WvW roaming, you have no grounds to cry.
Nice assumption, but if I take the time to post about my experience vs a vanilla LB/GS don’t you think there is something more to it than just getting outplayed?
I ended up switching to power d/p staff after my first two failed engagements as condi because I did notice straight away how consistent the removal was with saffron scented poultry soup (100% chance to remove a condition when you use a healing skill, +70 healing power). I was able to beat him as power much faster than I ever did with conditions. So did I really get outplayed on my condition builds? Maybe, or maybe his setup was carrying him to counter a condition damaging class.
I dont think it is hard to trait for condi cleanse on a glass build or slot a skill to cleanse
dunno man build crafting too hard
Exactly bro, and that is the problem atm. You can trait into excess of it and still crit 16k with mual.
>Ranger with sustain
>Glass CannonPick one.
Exacccctly bro,
I’ve been recently coming across more and more of that yolo LB/GS core ranger build, and I am shocked to find out that at times it has more total cleanse than druid. How is a build that hits so freaking hard gonna be allow to have access to so much cleanse? This is sort of a slap in the face to the glass cannon concept.
so is deadeye a cond spec? pair it with D/D??
it look like deadeye is condition based to you? look at those whack ass rifle abilities, they are all power dmg based. Very disappointing to not see any serious condition dmg rifle abilities.
I was roaming with a friend and ran into a condi reaper 4 man, and oddly enough we wiped them once before they regrouped and got us defending the camp we claimed. Anyways, yea. We were commenting on how ridiculous it was to see that.
Can we got someone to address this, what is the status regarding this issue? I spoke with many others and it appears to have not been resolved.
It just started happening to me today out of the blue, I’ve played this game since 2013 and this is the first time ive seen frequent ping spikes to the anet servers while my ping to other speedtest servers remained stable.
would be nice to see larcenous strike more useful.
change the boon steal priority list to something like: Might, Fury, Protection, Ageis
I have personally tried condi the last month and its kitten easy conpared to power reaper wich i prefer. There are no ways to avoid damage or have high burst that LANDS ON ENEMYS , no stability in amy way efective no evades blocks imunitys to cc. Power reaper is a free lootbag in most fights as to the new condi reapa puts up a fight and actually does very very well. Give a power trait that provides evades on skills resistance etc and maybe we wont get 1stun dead or 1imobilize dead.
“Well of Power”
They even named it Well of Power for you so you wouldn’t accidentally forget about it when typing this pile of Trash.
Glass Cannon Zerkers taste sooo good. They act like they working so hard, but they are really only pressing the same combo over and over. Probably have a macro for it by now. Its not hard work. How can it be when you nubs don’t even use your utilities.
This is very accurate, many do not realize how braindead playing a full zerker class can be sometimes. Some don’t even uses combos or utilities. For example, a zerker reaper just going into shroud or lich elite and spamming #1 auto attack. Yet everyone wants to cry about condition dmg class setups that most times have to put in multiple dps applications to bring down a target.
OP is describing Quickcry, he isnt your average druid/ranger.
well. thought there was gonna be another condi thief qq thread soon, but not till July. You crybabies are ahead of schedule.
running withdraw on a TB condi thief is pretty weak, only good if you don’t know how to manage your condition cleansing with shadow step and escapist’s. Channeled Vigor a way better alternative for all variants of condi thief builds.
edit I can see withdraw optimal in a vipers build since you would need to remove a solid condi burst quickly or else you’d die very fast due to the low hp pool.
make it as fast as spear of justice velocity and have it apply a stack of 5 bleeds when the pull is successful.
Permastealth thief, Condi thief, This thief, That thief.
It seems there is a theme running through all these OP builds. Can you spot the common element?
yea, people whining because they die to them when they have little experience fighting them.
another month and another thread crying about condition thieves. You all do not know when to collect your chips and leave the table after you got thief traps to apply small direct damage to reveal. Now it’s evasion condition builds, next it will be D/P poison burst interrupt builds…
people consider the lowest mobility class in the game as op at roaming. lul.
Why do you need mobility when you can dump 30 stacks of bleed on 5 people? People need mobility to get away from you, not the other way around.
Or even better, have you tried meeting two of them in a roaming party? Its such a joy to see 10K bleed ticks covered by ~8 other conditions, but no worries I often bring that 25s cd skill which clears 2 condis, people tell me thats how to fight them uhum.
stacking of deadly chill/epi condi reapers in roaming parties is popular over on BG atm,
and it is hella OP.
weaken means alot less (with exception of the endurance regen debuff) vs a condi thief, and good luck getting blind to stick when they run EA.
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I will abuse it to the fullest extent possible, completely ruining the wvw experience of all that I can. It will be a glorious time.
I even always respect duels, but the troll factor on rifle thief will be too high…everyone will be blown up for luls.
Yea, suspect it will be overtuned for the first few months of the expansion and will make baby jesus cry especially if anet offers an unblockable utility to accompany the 1500 range rifle stealth bomb attack.
Here is the thing, are you talking single target dps roatations? Or are you talking mob pve clearing?
Because if I remember correctly alot of staff thieves just AA for single target bosses,
For mob pve clearing I have been using sigil of stamina on both my staff and shortbow, and it is insane how much more aoe bounding dps you can put out on mobs.
The rotation is easy and unlikely you will die even when surfing big HoT mobs, just
Vault→dodge→Vault→ and when you run out of ini just dodge/bound spam,
With short bow, I spam dodges and cluster bombs, but you are alittle more vulnerable.
yea, once two mesmers post themselves dropping vale gaurd using this, it will be hotfixed within 72hrs.
maybe place a small leap on shield 4 and an additional 1-2s of block on shield 5.
Saw someone try a “ghost thief” today. I actually didnt see any trap delay (I did see them drop it and it triggered right away on me). Been seeing a ton of “perma evade condi teefs” lately gross right?
Meanwhile im sticking to my “ow it hurts now they ded” build. A friend moved to the perma evade and he stated (was funny actually) that he feels dirty and noobish.
ur couldnt be more right, everyone and there mom running d/d lotus acro in t1/t2. Anet needs to require 1-2 more ini to be used on death blossom in order to stop that madness.
I had on my pve staff on my thief (which does use sigil of stam) and I was blow away when I was able to just non stop bound dmg enemies during pushes when we had the kill momentum. Yea I can vouch, sigil of stamina is legit for zerg gameplay and it really shines for bound/acro staff thief when you got the kill momentum on your side.
yea, simply put to OP is the term “git gud” if you are indeed heavy trouble vs conditions when traited into diamond skin.
I’ve seen this happen a few times already tonight. I steal to a stunned/immobed target, and I am literally like right ontop of the target on my screen, but the backstab whiffs.
I have been playing with a Venom/Trap build with high stealth and it is nuking most players right now. The ability to condi up a player passively is very strong and unblockable. Its rotational condi is stronger than Ghost Thief as well. Not as annoying to fight against but more deadly.
Yo, how are you landing the traps on moving targets with the delay? Or are you laying the trap and kiting someone to hit it prior to your weapon burst.
Use teleports during the trap-laying animation. Shortbow 5 at max distance can also be used since the projectile has a flight time and the trap can be casted during the arrow’s flight and laid on impact (which has no animation since the arrow has already been shot), which if it’s on a player, will trigger the trap. Then kite using P/D’s powerful disengage via Shadow Strike, etc.
yea man, that is how it used to work before the activation delay. Now, 1 sec must pass after the trap has been layed down for it to trigger. So even at a max range SB 5, 1 sec still must pass after you reach your target. Thus making it unlikely for you to have the trap instantly land and activate at location of the target’s feet, unless you teleport ahead and plus 1 sec of the moving enemies path….that is the only way I can see it working.
yea, im gonna need to see vid of this combo done one someone actually “on the run” cus precasting needle trap and stealing to someone in motion is not the same since the added activation delay.
I believe that you land it, but only on players that remain motionless for atleast over 1 sec after they notice you stole to them.
I have been playing with a Venom/Trap build with high stealth and it is nuking most players right now. The ability to condi up a player passively is very strong and unblockable. Its rotational condi is stronger than Ghost Thief as well. Not as annoying to fight against but more deadly.
Yo, how are you landing the traps on moving targets with the delay? Or are you laying the trap and kiting someone to hit it prior to your weapon burst.
thief and mesmer are both in a good place for anti condi and disengaging ganks. Gotta admit, roaming on thief is just plain more fun.
aside from that box of fun fiasco anet fowled up on (not an actual hack), I haven’t seen anyone hack in wvw in quite sometime. The last legit hack I saw was a little over a year ago with some guy on my own server was “fly” hacking. I just dont think the wvw player base is large enough to warrent actual hackers.
out of curiousity, any thieves still attempting to use traps in there builds? If so, how?
I have a DA TR DD build I play on occasion that uses the needle trap on heal trait, but no trap utilities.
attempting to call out individuals by account name for game abuses isnt right, in fact, I believe it is agaisnt anet policy to do so on the forums.
Anyone having troiuble with the 332331 flute part not opening the secret door in w2z3? I don’t believe im doing anything incorrect.
Here we go again, if It is not one thing about thief than it is another thing. This time we talking about what? nerfing impact strike elite?
I realized this guy is the one I was dueling earlier in WvW.
@Rapr, you run a trailblazer/dire condi war which has no power dmg pressure at all, its a given that you get countered by staff thief, just like how you counter many builds out there with that.Against evasive thieves, I’d recommend running weapon sets that lets you proc adrenal health more reliably, mace f1 has an animation that is too easy to deny.
Tbh, running a condi build is basically asking to get countered by builds that have consistent condi clears (EA acro daredevil, mesmer, mallyx rev, CI war, etc); many power roamers pretty much adapted their builds vs condi because of the mundane condi encounters these days especially in roaming.
Min, if it is not one thing about thief it is something else. The crying never ends bro, this OP is just another in the never ending erase thief class crybabies.
the activation delay was put in specifically so you cannot combo traps…..
Actually I am pretty sure the activation delay was put there so that a thief STILL could stealth in and lay a trap or two and then GET AWAY before the traps hit YOU and reveal THEM.
wow really? yea, I dont think so bro…. the activation delay was put in so you cannot steal to trap and catch players running away. Something that actually took some skill to do.
There is a difference between nerfing a build, and making it unusable. Anet seriously just dismantled all trap builds associated to thief.
the activation delay was put in specifically so you cannot combo traps…..
It is not the death of ghost thief, it is just the death of ghost thief trapper builds.
for the record, i have not played a single ranked game this season.
Look, the rework on the rewards was aweful. The matchmaking system got worse (maybe due to pop drop), not better. Why didn’t many of you just boycott season 6 all together till anet addresses a few issues related to its changes.
I do not get how some of you can be thief mains and not be aware of who are the top thieves unless all you do all day is pve. In no particular order.
Kronos, Amon, Min, Gin, Havoc, Terrismo, Sindreener, Scath, Grubby, Sir Squid, Everdeen,
Look, if you ever dueled or roamed vs/with any of these players you will know right away they are considered among the best with good reason. A real example I can give right now happened just 2 days ago when I was with Amonatory. The guy basically put in all the work in a 2v8, a few of the HoD that died in that fight had release shock simply due to disbelieve.
if you want to emulate that thief’s p/p burst, need to be full zerker, scholar runes, and sigil of force/air on the weapon set and trait full yolo DD DA CS.
Anyone posting in this thread should include a link to the person they are talking about, or at least share what server/guild they’re on.
IMO Amonatory probably best NA thief – he posted a recent video on this forum
Sindrener best EU thief – check out his twitch
Close second would be MLGKorno – NA Thief who also has a yt channel https://www.youtube.com/user/MLGKorno
This guy knows what he is talking about.
Amonatory perhaps not the hands down best thief NA, but he is for sure in the top 5 along with Korno and Min Scherzo. These guys are known top thief mains simply because they are consistantly in spvp top 10 in the past and current league seasons.
my god, u all are like broken records stuck on repeat. let it go and let the devs decide what is balanced. till then, learn to adapt.
nothing wrong with bringing back pistol ricochet if they just placed it for the main hand abilities.
@ApaWanka,
That is very close to how i play p/p scrapper with a mix of TB/Rabid. But I am considering just going full on TB or mixing in Dire in place of Rabid since the new pinpoint distribution change.