Guild Wars 2

I play in both regions so this is my unbiased take on this matter:

top EU pvpers seem to have a stronger camaraderie and generally liked by EU players

top NA seem to be more flaky, have more drama, more emotional and limited interaction with the rest of NA players

It seems that Helseth and ROM really do have loyal following. I know Ostrich Eggs also had a following and the pugs in his team looked up to him when he solo queued. He was chatty and friendly while being extraordinary

Anet wouldn’t allow that. Please stop spreading false hope.

Hulkmaster.1724:

Q: Will there be an opportunity to join one specific map (or specific mode) with matchmaking?

Me and my friends don’t like conquest maps – we like deathmatchs!
The only thing we want to do – is to slash other people faces into peaces!
I think there are many among non-prof pvp guys, who think the same.

And custom arenas aren’t choice in that kind of situation – because it’s more simplier to push 1 button, instead of making filer… finding arenaaa…

You seem like a pieceful person.

That’s great.

I also like peas and quiet.

Cheers!!!

Im up for solo queue. Just make everything solo queue because we are the majority anyway. If teams want to go against other teams, they can do it in their own private servers or participate in tourneys. They also have the option to disband and queue solo like everyone else.

It’s unfair if solo que ppl have to feed the minority. I mean, that’s how governments are run…..have the middle class majority feed the upper and lower

choovanski.5462:

if you think ham/gs has no counterplay, buddy you scrubby

/chuckle

Helseth keepin it real.

Such an animated guy. That expression when he lost 2 pips was epic. Hope anet gets this mess of a pvp fixed.

on this thread – Xghoul is one of the top pvp engies in the game. Jekkt and choovanski are veterans at their respective mains. Others have shared interesting perspectives as well so don’t forget to go over them.

Engies are not as diverse as they used to be but they love hoarding my character slots. I have 3 pvp engie builds I use right now – dire, cele, marauder/soldier and would need to add 2 more for scrapper….sigh

Eles and Engies are amazing at capture based objectives

Engies have a higher skill cap and requires more time to excel at mechanically

But I will go as far as to say that Engies have the best healing skill in the entire game. Turrets heal, regen, water field, blast finisher for more heals or might, condi cleanse, low CD. When I get bored with it and try something new, I end up always going back to it. My engie is married to it.

Edit: I meant Rabid not Dire. Wow such noob.

Supreme.3164:

This Abjured team simply wins against everything deemed OP and broken by the rest of the community, they can play classes/build deemed UP by the rest and still own left and right…..are they gods…or simply better than the rest of us?

Are they better than you?
I’d say yes.

Are you a suck-up?
I’d say yes. Not sure where you’re going at with this thread in the first place.

Are you unaware that they are a team that goes for the most powerful builds?
I’d say yes, you are unaware that they go for the most powerful builds.

Tongku.5326:

I dont understand why so many of you included ranger in here. They are basically free kills in 1v1s for me across all my toons and a wide variety of builds. Once in a great while I run into the full melee ranger that is somewhat tricky and challenging and on rare occasion gets me, but otherwise 90% to 95% of them just suck. They just use bow and try to pew-pew. While its ok for a +1 function, the otehr classes / builds do +1s much better while at same time providing far more team utility and survivability.

LOL NOT all rangers, especially the 1v1 variety, run pew pew bow. You prolly don’t have enough dueling mileage. I’ve seen rangers own d/d eles.

Chorazin.4107:

Conditions are crazy over the top atm, in fact damage in general. But to say that condis got scaled down is just plain wrong.

Burning is a prime example, it is so busted now, i made a burngineer video because im not sure how it made it past play testing. https://vimeo.com/135843991 Do Anet even test this stuff before rolling it out?

Med Kit needs a total revamp, it needs to be usable in the fast paced action environment of PvP/WvW. Using some clunky skill, placing the ground target circle, throwing the bottle/bandage, having it fly through the air and then needing someone to walk ov…… oh nm they died about 2 seconds ago.

Then there is the med blaster, so i can sit there spamming it and doing nothing else for a while. Or i could drop the healing turret blast it once or twice healing everyone and get back to applying pressure to the target. Again who designed this? Did they realise that they have access to healing turret(which also clears 2 condis). Which also requires no investment in healing power at all?

The inventions line, clearly this was the support line meant to replace EIB’s whilst SD is a minor fail and not worth taking, MDF is plain woeful and not even worthy of being a minor trait or worth taking, ever. What was wrong with EIB’s? Why did they need replacing? And who tested these traits?

These traits, med kit, it’s baffling how bad they are, at what point do you sit around a table after play testing this for a while and go kitten yeah, this is awesome!!!??

Maybe Anet read here, maybe not. But whoever the Engineer dev is needs to get out there and watch some twitch tv of engineer play at a proficient level. If there are actually any left that bother to stream, everyone probably rerolled mesmers or eles by now.

BASE DAMAGE got scaled down. Meaning one stack of burning prepatch did more damage than one stack of burning postpatch.

What happened was they made conditions more powerful thru STACKING. Prepatch, it was way harder to deliver more than one burn stack.

From patch notes:

*Condition Updates *
Damaging conditions were all reworked to better ensure damage is properly delivered in large-scale combat. All damaging conditions have been changed to intensity-stacking, and the maximum number of stacks for each damaging condition has been raised to a much larger number that should never be hit under normal circumstances.
•All damage conditions will now stack up to 1500 times.
•Bleeding: •The formula for this condition has been rescaled to account for the new behavior of damaging conditions and to put more focus on the condition damage stat.
•New damage over time: 2 + (0.25 * Level) + (0.06 * Condition Damage)

•Burning: •This condition will now stack in intensity. The formula for this condition has been rescaled to account for the new behavior of damaging conditions and to put more focus on the condition damage stat. Creatures that apply burning have been rebalanced to account for this change.
•New damage over time: 7.5 + (1.55 * Level) + (0.155 * Condition Damage)

•Confusion: •This condition now has two damage components—damage over time, and the damage dealt when an ability completes. The damage has also been normalized between all game modes. The formula for this condition has been rescaled to account for the new behavior of damaging conditions and to put more focus on the condition damage stat. The skill-use damage will also now trigger when the affected target is interrupted during skill activation.
•New damage over time: 2 + (0.1 * Level) + (0.035 * Condition Damage)
•New trigger damage: 3.5 + (0.575 * Level) + (0.0625 * Condition Damage)

•Poison: •This condition will now stack in intensity. Poison’s healing reduction will not depend on the number of stacks. Any poison will result in a static -33%, just as it currently does. The formula for this condition has been rescaled to account for the new behavior of damaging conditions and to put more focus on the condition damage stat. Creatures that apply burning have been rebalanced to account for this change.
•New damage over time: 3.5 + (0.375 * Level) + (0.06 * Condition Damage)

•Torment: •The formula for this condition has been rescaled to account for the new behavior of damaging conditions and to put more focus on the condition damage stat.
•New damage over time: 1.5 + (0.18 * Level) + (0.045 * Condition Damage)
•New damage while moving: 3 + (0.36 * Level) + (0.09 * Condition Damage)

•Vulnerability: •This condition was changed so that it not only increases direct damage, it also increases condition damage. Each stack will increase direct damage by 1% and condition damage by 1%.

•Slow: •This new condition is now present on some profession abilities and slows the activation of skills by 50% while active.

Burning is not broken. Ele burning is broken.

Burn guards can do heavy damage with but they are very squishy. Necros have an easier time killing these than eles.

d/d Eles apply burning from the ground via RoF, traited cleansing fire, cleansing fire, drakes breath AND still have high sustain. ele burns = Low CD, lots of sources for burn dmg, higher stacks

Engies can apply serious burns as well but the sources of burning dmg are limited and have a long CD.

Warrior LB burning is meh. Duration short, stacks are low

Ranger burns are meh. 25s CD on torch 5 and flame trap 15s CD. Damage by single stack pulse instead of quick multi-stack

…….

Morwath.9817:

abc.5790:

Laraley.7695:

Ragnarox.9601:

ReaperJr.5967:

You clearly have no idea how an ele is played or how to play one. Ele is unbalanced atm but you’re way exaggerating.

20 weapon skills on low cd.

What are you smoking? Ele has the highest cooldowns of all classes in game.

Highest cooldowns of all classes? You don’t represent elementalists positively by intentionally spreading misinformation and insulting someone’s intelligence. There’s absolutely NOTHING in this game that can do as much damage as this in such a short cool down.

This is FAR worse than the engie nades bug everyone cried about. Sadly, this isn’t even a bug.

Sigil of Smoldering and Balthazar Rune spotted.

Doesn’t matter. All I know is I feel like a terrible person running this class knowing how broken it is.

Traited, the high burning damage is LONGER than the cooldown.

People are absolutely lying to themselves if they think this isn’t broken.

dearest style,

People that defend burn damage aren’t necessarily running burn builds. Some people suffer from condis less than others. If you care to look at my end game stats, you will see the effect condition damage have on me.

If ever I end up on the same team as you, I will happily cleanse your burns and shun enemies away.

respectfully yours,
abc

Burning will be extremely underwhelming to the point where the game is probably not worth playing anymore if they scale it back to pre-patch levels.

The current state of burn damage creates risks/opportunity costs for those who run builds without cleansing. I’m speaking from the solo q, 2-3 man pre perspective but this is even moreso with full pre.

Some specs have better access to it while others have better cleansing. If they do plan on adjusting, it should be done on a case by case scenario instead of nuking the condition entirely.

At 12noon PST please participate this event
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pvp-league-on-guild-chat/

And bombard the hell out of them with our questions that need immediate answers, starting with – Why the hell are you destroying your own product?

Pretty harsh to say that they’re no good

I don’t think Anet is that stupid, I don’t think they will let a winning team influence their pvp decisions.

Right?

Imagine the backlash they will get if that were the case.

But what if that were the case and people were stupid enough NOT to realize it?

I don’t know anymore. W/e. Just leave scrappers alone and I’ll be fine.

LMAO not all stubborn and hard headed people are fraudulent.
Maybe you have an older account that lists solo and team queue separately.

Anyway….burning underpowered, pls buff burning

NO WARRIORS REPRESENTED IN BOTH REGIONS OF YOUR MOST HYPED UP ESPORTS LEAGUE!!!!!!

SHAME ON THIS BALANCE TEAM

Lettuce.2945:

Talyn Sneider.1825:

Ok, I’ve had it with all the hate…so I’m gonna address some of the accusations being throw around against eles and hope this helps people appreciate were not monsters but players.

On this past weeks I’ve been playing conquest and dueling against pretty much every class out there, my skill level is normal (not an ubber player, so i can represent every elementalist jumping on the hype train, and so you know ele is my main since forever). In this weeks I’ve been insulted, accused of cheating, received rude comments due to asking for practice vs experienced players (God forgive u ask to practice defensive moves while playing D/D)..and even so I came here so I can at least try to separate fact from fiction:

1) Eles are OP

Yes we are, at this moment we have (always had great sustain) and we also manage to deal tons of damage (burning) and also we shine in team fights and can drag fights on points as we see fit.

2) Burning damage is OP on ele

Yes it is, would love to see it reduced (less burn stacks so we don’t destroy condition based builds), we shouldn’t have so much dps as an attrition class

3)Eles have too many sustain

STOP! NO just no…this game is already fast and furious enough…we need some classes to be able to be on point and not melt in 10 seconds flat to a spike…we and guardian bunkers are needed and have a role to play…what we shouldn’t have is sustain and DPS.

4)Eles require no skill, u just need to learn to learn combos and there u go

Are u kidding me???? u need to keep track of cooldowns know when and where not to skip rotations to avoid/deal a spike and return to optimal rotation, u need to manage the smallest health pool of the game knowing that when you’re spiked u have about 10 seconds to react or your dead…I don’t ask for u guys to love eles but this is just wonkers…until the latest balance patch we were considered one of the hardest classes to play and no one contested this…balance patch hits and we no longer take skill…righttttttt

5)PU mesmers and stealth regen thiefs that say that healing on ele is cheesy….

Come on guys…seriously? Seems to me there’s no difference in outhealing while kitting or disappearing and regen health as you need thus resetting the fight.

6)D/D eles win every duel…

Not true at all but we can drag fights so reinforcement come and thus turn a 1vs1 into a team fight…that is our ROLE. Several matchups are pretty bad for us:

PU mesmers
Shatter mesmers
Berzerker thiefs
Berzerker warriors
Condition and celestial necros

If they know what they are doing they are able to out pressure the ele forcing us to play for time, eventually in a 1 vs 1 duel they will gain the upper hand.

7) Warriors on duels that complain when an ele ports to safety in a duel

Ok…I can see where u come from If i stand there in your face u can kill me
faster…but…ermmm hope you don’t take this the wrong way, against you guys we need to kite…and hit when there’s no pressure on us. That is kinda the standard, mesmers do it, thiefs do it…why all the hate when an ele does it too? I also have an warrior and when i face an enemy that doesn’t port and kite i get annoyed because i know that isn’t a good duel, and if I’m dueling i want to fight good players so i can learn.

Cheers and have fun

The moment you listed as berserker thieves as a counter to ele was the moment you lost your credibility as a good ele considering you hard counter them.

You beat me to it… was about to say the same thing. I’ve seen eles 1v2 thieves and come out unscathed.

You guys, mesmers were already nerfed like 2-3 weeks ago. Happened the same time they nerfed air/fire sigils.

Burning is only insane if you aren’t prepared to counter it.

Please for the love of dog, don’t buff bleeding and poison without giving us more access to cleansing. Cleansing for 3 high damage conditions WILL be too much. Burning as it is now, I can handle.

I’m really a scrub player so if I can do it, so could you.

eles have insta cast cleanses as do guards and warriors and rangers and engies not just mesmers

im sorry but this is really a l2p issue and we shouldn’t balance classes based on what happens in hotjoin.

I think the Abjured with Ostrich Eggs was even more unstoppable and enjoyable to watch. Best engie in the game and unlike his former teammates, he solo queues and pugs like most people

We must first understand the 3 most common types of quitters/leavers/AFKers

Type A: the emo cry baby with who takes offense at the slightest suggestions.

Type B: the chronic quitter that bounce way too early in the match if things don’t go his way. he thinks he is too good to be teamed up with scrubs.

Type C: unhappy pvp veterans who just about had it with class imbalance, poor matchmaking. these players don’t quit as often and newer ones. But when they do, it’s often justifiable

no video proof for you. i look fat on youtube.

Not sure why Anet didn’t advertise to pique interest towards critical mass.

Instead they are throwing gobs and gobs of money away to make their esports dreams come true

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Wow-That-Prize-Pool-from-50K-to-400K/

$400,000 cash prize for a very small pvp community is not generous, it is unwise. The participants would have been happy with half of that amount.

It best for the community if they attracted more customers instead of giving away a lot of money to a handful of people

Notice how fast they nerf whatever people complained about with engies? It’s coz not that many people play it in pve, wvw and pvp.

It will be harder for them to nerf eles coz it’s over represented in all 3 game modes.

Maybe reverse psychology would work

Please buff eles. Make blinding ashes baseline so I can get 25 might stacks in no time. We have one of the lowest health pools and our healing isn’t that great anymore.

I don’t understand why people dislike this map.

When it was introduced I ALMOST thought it was a good replacement for RoC but no matter how much I love courtyard, RoC is irreplaceable.

My guess is that the vast majority that dislike courtyard didn’t bother re-traiting for the map. Because once you’ve hit the right build, it’s one of the funnest pvp maps.

It’s like a small scale GvG but without screaming commanders and no need to farm to have gold for gear.

It’s the only reason why I queue unranked sometimes…and maybe for the shorter queues.

It was fun pre-patch when nades had 1500 range, pre-patch fresh air and medi guard

It’s still fun today on power wells mancer, staff ele, shatter mes

OMG I discovered the maps where this warrior build will truly shine.

YOU ARE WELCOME

It’s sad that ele stacking is considered an exploit because that just blatantly confirms that the devs have created an imbalanced competitive game, favoring a few classes.

I disagree

The glory days of Turret engies applied mostly physical damage and CC interrupts. You could equip a useless ammy like Magi and your turrets would still do the same damage. The turret’s tankiness were also independent from your own.

That’s not the case with burn builds.

The only thing that I think you want burn builds to have in common with turrets is to have burn builds get nerfed like turret.

That’s the problem with people these days. If you cant kill something, then it must be nerfed.

Sadly turret engies where punished to the point of uselessness because people complained instead of counter.

How could you have countered turret engies?

1. Cele rifle 2kit engie
2. staff ele
3. shatter Mesmer
4. condi Mesmer
6. trap ranger
7. power wells necro
8. MM necro

I guess the OP of this thread wants burn builds to suffer the same fate as the turret engie….which clearly had powerful counters but people were too lazy to learn how to apply them.

And it worked! anet awarded complainers instead of making them adapt. anet punished turreteers coz……

Lets just say that while I didn’t play turret, I didn’t like how it got nerfed and I’ll do everything I can to prevent burn builds from the same fate

Rebates. Discounts. Sales. Bundles… Unless you spent most of your life in a cave, these happen all the time. It’s not going to change because you feel it’s unfair.

Expect paying a higher price if you want to be amongst the first to own a product. Other option is for you to wait for the product to go on sale.

Im not sympathizing with Anet either because how they packaged, promoted and priced the expansion was terribly amateurish. It’s like something a start-up with inexperienced founders would do. Not a 10+ year old company backed by a larger company.

On the other hand, the comments some of you posted were ridiculous. I know a lot of people have quit playing the game out of boredom or other reasons. Fair enough.

Yet a bunch have admitted to enjoying the game, have spent thousands of hours on it so far but will deny/reject themselves from enjoying it further because it costs $20 more than they’re willing to pay for…even if they were really looking forward to it.

$50 expansion may seem expensive to some but it’s still very reasonable.

Why does it bother “veterans” that new customers get the base for free? If you’re a so called veteran, you had a 3 year head start. You experienced content that’s now retired, content that will never be enjoyed by the new buyer.

Reading the comments on here, I won’t be surprised if you fail to see it from that perspective.

I don’t play thief. I tried it years ago but failed. I suck at it.

But I see the value in having a great thief in your team and from my encounters in-game, thieves tend to lose most 1v1 encounters and lack survivability.

I know the forum is teeming with QQ threads. I know such threads make it harder to filter out the good threads. I know most QQ threads are L2P issues.

But threads that are cries for help should at least be looked at.

the cheap old poison master ranger or even trap ranger melt druids so fast you’d want to ask to buff them. do it after they do the massive cleanse from F5.

I don’t play druid but know how to. It bores me and plus it’s easy to kill. On my scrapper I just use the poison from weapon swaps and elixir gun when I encounter druid.

STOP ASKING FOR NERFS or make a big deal out of nothing. Instead, just ask how to counter.

Silverkey.2078:

Nyx.6532:

the issue i see with the condi damage right now is that condi damage is supposed to be SLOW applied over time damage, but very high overall damage. (it never really was this… it was always applied WAY too fast for this concept)
any condisetup which will fully kill you in 10 seconds or lesss, is not slow :P

condi damage in my view is suppose to be the opposite of the “direct damage” it is suppose to SLOWLY weather your opponent down while you defend yourself.
but at the same time it is suppose to last for a LONG time, so just moving away won’t stop you from dying 30 seconds later.
without condi clear you will die after fighting a condi-specced class, even after you win.

so the downside should be it takes a loong time for the damage to ramp up.
upside should be “the damage ticks last Forever” (ofc. not forever but for a LONG time 30-120 seconds), forcing you to get condi-clear to continue.

I disagree. I think the design is that all classes have SLOW conditions and BURSTY conditions. Mesmer: slow = torment, fast = confusion. Necromancer: slow=poison/bleeding, fast = terror/dhuumfire, revenant: slow=torment, fast=burning, ranger: slow=poison/bleeding, fast= burning, elementalist: slow=bleeding, fast=burning

All the “fast” conditions are on “burst” skills (scepter 3 and shatter for mesmer, fear for necro, mace 2 for revenant, torch for ranger) and the slow ones are the ones you have on AA (mesmer scepter, necro all weapon skills really, revenant mace).

So as an enemy player, you’re supposed to take the slow conditions and cleanse the bursts. So basically, you should only clear confusion and burning. The bleedings and poison are only here to apply constant pressure between the bursts (the same way all AA usually do) and is not meant to be cleansed (except cleaning poison just before a heal of course).

10/10

Very good explanation. That is why I’m not in favor of nerfing burns while buffing bleed and poison like a bunch of peeps have requested. Burning is fine as it is. Not having a cleanse is similar to not having a stun breaker when a stealth class is about to burst u down

My guess is that interns right out of Community College University worked on the engineer’s traits.

We are on the 3rd set now and so far – 30 people have represented 3 professions.

Wow just wow. Also they will be nerfing revenants while mesmers continue to have dominant presence on nodes. Revenants counter mesmers, with them out of the picture, how the heck do we take down chronobunkers?

I’d rather have the op shatter mesmer build after the June 23 patch…which got nerfed soon after.

if courtyard and maybe another tdm map have a separate queue, it’s all i will do forever and ever till the end of time.

Josh Davis.6015:

Edit: Also, just because this is an elementalist thread doesn’t mean we’re only looking at elementalist, and it also doesn’t mean we’re only looking at doing nerfs.

Yay more dd ele buffs. Please make blinding ashes base line.

To each his own
We are a mix of intro and extroverted peoples.

Some of us like to be reminded that we play with other like minded people thru communication.

Others like being left alone in peace and quiet.

One thing is certain though, in the higher tier game play, communication (voice coms) is crucial. Looking at map is not suffice.

People are different.

For me personally, I like being in a team that is more talkative than quiet. But not too talkative where they talk nonsense. That could be a bad sign as well.

But in general, teams that communicate do better than those that do not.

Sagat.3285:

abc.5790:

Anet loves:
-eles
-guards
-mesmers

Anet is neutral towards:
-thieves
-warriors

Anet hates:
-necros
-engies
-rangers

It’s more like russian roulette.

Russian roulette or anything Russian like the KGB and this guy seem dangerous

I got spurs that jingle, jangle, jingle
As I go ridin’ merrily along
And they sing, “Oh, ain’t you glad you’re single”
And that song ain’t so very far from wrong

Oh, Lillie Belle
Oh, Lillie Belle
Though I may have done some foolin’
This is why I never fell

I got spurs that jingle, jangle, jingle
As I go ridin’ merrily along
And they sing, “Oh, ain’t you glad you’re single”
And that song ain’t so very far from wrong

Thanks for doing this, btw.

Don’t chase one guy and leave your teammate on a large team fight at a node. That’s really stupid and annoying when people do that. Sometimes they leave you to 1v3 so they could stomp a thief.

+1 to OP for putting the effort to writing and sharing this guide. Im sure some mesmers will find the tips to be useful.

cyberzombie.7348:

Overall its more about the weapon setup for each class that determines the skill cap/ceiling. Here’s an experiment, try playing each class and build drunk first then retry is sober or vice versa.

Is this game enjoyable sober?

style.6173:

@OP:

Quit complaining. Necro is actually in a great position right now. You just need to ensure you are playing it the right way. Its always funny how some people try to play every class the same way. Each class has a different role. Follow it.

I’m sorry you lack the capacity to recognize an obvious programming bug. In fact, I’m uncertain if you understand what this thread is even about judging by the vagueness of your comment.

The reason why I don’t like PvP anymore

Cynz.9437:

abc.5790:

+1

Thanks for the effort writing this and sharing with us.

Too bad very few people in-game come to the pvp forum. You can also try posting this on Reddit.

One thing I want to add is – don’t forget to have fun!

If he posts this on reddit he will get flamed by RP/pve’er community, per usual.

But isn’t that where the fun begins?

Burn damage to where ppl make a deal out of it is only a problem in lower tiers
Ok there I said it.

I’m a cheesy scrub and yet I easily kill burn guardians, trap rangers, burn engies with a humble ranger and even moreso with an ele. I laff out loud killing burn givers with a necro. Cant touch me on warrior. No excuses.