Guild Wars 2

Reason:
- makes the thief rotation and positioning complex
- AA is not prevalent anymore
- adds a useful skill to the staff set

This thread is a demand at Anet, if you’re a brodie and agree: bump this

… Now That Backstab Got Cooldown

Reasons:
- Backstabs can’t be spammed anymore, so there’s no need for such a high aftercast anymore
- makes a much more fluent gameplay
- raises the skill ceiling, the thief can interrupt an invalid backstab and use the time for something more valuable

This thread is a demand at Anet, if you’re a brodie and agree: bump this

bad idea

thieves are bad / mediocre everywhere. playable tho

i think many of us can agree that they really dont care about you really not caring about raids

if you dont care about someone, why do you think someone cares about you? if you dont have an answer for this: what is the purpose of the thread then?

they dont give it to the players

- because its much more effort to maintain with the current system
- team pvp horribly underperforms in this game, theres no competition
- if they introduce team pvp it will be abandoned, because q times would be too high, the pvp population is too low
- they dont want to cut the pvp community into two pieces, already small enough
- they dont care about players, but $$$. people who play in team are more likely to be whales.

tfw u realize even gw2 prime ultra nerd doesnt take gw2 serious anymore ctfu

gs mesmer way too underrated

having not played at all for a month im so lucky im not dedicated and do not play this game anymore. this would give me such an annoying headache

wow

pity to all the winners who still play this game lmao

Fluffball.8307:

Zenith.7301:

You don’t seem to understand that hybrid builds in PvE SUCK because players stack one stat or the other.

Why do you think they don’t intend these changes for PvP and WvW, which is where those weapons have traditionally been used?

roflmao axe and sb are bad in any player vs player scenario and they are bad for a really long time already and the buffs change nothing

Anomaly.7612:

Just play something else, man. Sad to say it, I really am. I’ve loved Thief since beta, but as of now, when I played my Thief, I lost just about every ranked game. Swapped to a support Ele and started winning.

I wish this game were more about skill than about the class you’re playing.

maybe you started winning with support ele because it actually requires less skill than thief.

anyway success in ranked is ofc possible with thief, thief got sufficient buffs that make him at least viable in ranked gameplay.

I’m certain about Condi Druid at Gors and Sabetha, but Condi Druid or Power Druid for VG?

inb4 op complains about athletics discriminating fat and disabled people because goal is already removed before they come even close to the end of the marathon.

Hey, I’ve got some questions on the topic mentioned above. I would be very delighted if someone experienced could answer them.

Why are people so eager to get condi engis?

How does condi ranger compete in the different raid encounters (solely from DPS perspective) in comparison to other DPS classes?

If you factor the buffs from Druid in, does it justify the loss of DPS if you put him on a DPS spot (Fractal or Raid)

Condi druid or ranger. What is better in Fractals?

The real question is why she didn’t leave the game earlier. All those points she made are valid since day 1.

Maybe she’s just too good. Like Usain Bolt competing in local tournaments “Oh, it’s too easy, no difficulty. I do other sports now.”

I want to do all achievements required for sinister trinkets.
It’s incredibly dull and frustrating for me.

If you’re interested in either doing them with me or for me, for gold, send me a message in this forum.

Edit: EU rope

sword AA is good now. the thing that is not good is

flanking strikes (shoudl be reverted to what it was befoer they kittened up s/d so you can boonstrip again more)

pistol whip (crap skill, way too static, predictable and easy to counter, with all that stability this skill is just useless)

s/d should be evasion based combat with boon stealing
s/p should be hybrid of s/d and d/x with emphasis on stuns
d/x should be dmg based combat
staff should be dmg based combat with aoe capabilities

ofc d/x should deal highest dmg

Exarbur.6732:

how the heck are we favored to win vs diamant and 2 premade?
that makes no sense at all…

Your league sum: 4+4+4+4+4 = 20
Theirs: 4+4+4+5+2 = 19

A real premade are 3-5 people. 2 guys are just DuoQ.

stop forcing your way of playing on to others. if you don’t like it, leave the group. simple as that.

stop forcing your way of playing on to others. if you don’t like it, leave the group and exclude revenants with lfg. simple as that.

Yasi.9065:

Lets see, my aura ele has atm… just for you… standard meta build.

Health: 18,995
Diamond Skin wears off at: 17,096
Raw damage you have to deal: 1,899

I can think of at least 1 build per profession right now that can drop ele below diamond skin constantly without that much of a problem.

Do this again with adding all the active and passive heal ele has and also remember there’s protection.

ZeftheWicked.3076:

We all know the story – ruby is where it gets hard and everyone’s on the edge. But when i get blamed by my teammate for playing non-meta class (necro) that’s when line gets crossed.

So to all “meta whiners” (and those who don’t like it that their teammates “suck”):

If you didn’t go through effort of making your own premade team that has the professions you want manned by ppl you like, don’t go whining about what you get in solo queque.

The End.

play what you want, but don’t tell others then how you want them to play. none of your business.

you just have to charge up the skill and it magically hits the enemy, even though he’s in stealth and you dont know where the enemy is

good day to all of you

rifle is kitten.

1. anet cant make it deal good damage, because casuals will cry “omg 15k rifle one shot and stealth”
2. projectile hate is common
3. pistol is already kitten, no reason to get another similar weapon

haha, this guy is completely right. stop being a selfish brick and play real stuff and don’t drag your unlucky teammates down. maybe you will get some respect then!
playing thief is the same as mmr tanking = making sure your team loses

casuals are playing something easy like ranger, guard, necro. thief’s are a minority noone cares about, except forum warriors, who don’t give enough money. no reason to invest money there.

Why cant arenanet look at this for ideas to fix the sorry state we are in.

why would they. who cares for a poor thief soul?

You can’t. Anet has to change the system.

“The Noob’s manifesto”

either this is an attempt to troll or someone is a little stupid.

thief is the worst class in the game now, deal with it. there’s nothing you can change about that, the best have tried, but failed horribly. dreams were crushed.

dh is not easy. in fact it’s hard and can be really unrewarding and gets countered by meta

thief gets countered not only by dh but also by herald, scrapper, tempest. reaper and druid is hard for thief too.

Firebird.8324:

Now yes, you did “technically” make this a balance patch by adding the word balance (as shown in the attachment) but I think even you guys know that is a blatant lie.

anet thinks the game is balanced? loool

chrisnx.1674:

Funny,
all blamed the DH for being OP, and now no one gonna takes it.
Funny that rev is soo overpowered, but no one believed me, here you have the evidence.

Warrior and Thiefes need a really big improvement, and i guess the basic classes (anyone without HoT) as well, but that will not happen i guess.

DH is op against the previous meta. E.g. thief, warrior, d/d bruiser ele etc.
It’s just that there are tempests with static aura, which punish the DH quite hard, Revs being so strong and some other stuff, so DH is “countered”. If Rev didn’t exist and static aura weren’t a thing with tempest, I think DH would be played.

play druid instead of ranger and never use long bow. that way any daredevil is easily killed.

Impact.2780:

Because herald is easy, and new. People like easy, and they like new. Last time thief was riskier to play, there were fewer around. Once some new comps come about and thieves adapt some, you’ll see them more in tournaments.

Edit: Also consider this: lots of money involved. Would you then, when everything is new and not all comps have been tested, and the meta is undecided, try to make a more synergistic comp requiring a higher level of communication and coordination for more risk and reward, in order to play something risky and potentially more rewarding, or play something easy to be effective at that can fit in to any new comp you want to try.

Herald is simply better than thief. Try to play full zerker or viper gear on thief, you will probably die. Now try the same with revenant, the damage on herald is much better and the survivability (while being able to do damage on the enemy) is also better. You realize that the current matches are a lot about who wins the fight and not who rotates better?

Can you win a single 1v1 on thief? Many classes have zero trouble agaisnt thief. Druid, scrapper, chrono, herald have vastly better 1v1 capabilities and additionally are able to support the team with their skills.

By the way: In the Go4GW2 monthly (the last), the thief really sucked. That’s why 55 Dragons switched their thief to revenant. Also the greatest and most swagarious thief of all time, Sizer, quit the game, after he got deleted by a team without thieves 500-0 in the Pro League Qualifier(not because the 500-0, but because thief is his class and it doesn’t seem to work at all in this meta)

Also: It’s not only about your own comp, but also about the enemies comp. How do you face scrapper, two revs, druid, tempest?

i just watched helseth stream and saw ostrich eggs latest performance, it was really embarrassing. he also has 0 swag and helseth couldn’t procede watching the interview because of him. NA is really really bad, once more proven.

p/p is terrible everywhere, if you play p/p in raid everyone will hate you.

with daredevil you can stealth with dodge, better heal, more dodge and 10% dmg increase. it’s a solid upgrade and better than other specs imo.

Narcarsis.5739:

assassin.7895:

I want to get this question answered:
What does thief do better than other classes? Why should anyone pick a thief in his comp?

-Impact Strike has no comparison – it’s by far one of the best clutch abilities in the game.
-Thief mobility still is better than any other class. If you pair that with stealth nothing will chase you (Rev/DH can’t chase without a target).
-Thief cleave on staff is probably the highest out of viable builds available to classes
-Thief gives team mates evades (nothing else will refill endurance instantly).

Yes, other classes are good and while Thief is no longer necessary to be competitive that doesn’t mean that it’s weak. People are too used to being able to do everything they wanted without much thought or skill. The class is in a good spot, it requires good decision making and strong mechanics. Sure, other classes are easier to play but that doesn’t mean that they’re able to do more. It’s another skill floor vs skill ceiling debate.

The mobility might be better, but what about the rest? Any utility for your team except agility signet? How do you rez under AoE?
How do you even stealth with your build? If you use BP and/or get revealed, your decapping potential is already gone?

The cleave is hardly good in my opinion. How do you hit multiple enemies? The only time I reliably did, the enemy was downed. DPS is ok, but if you cleave, you’re very vulnerable. Just look at the awesome skill 5 staff Rev skill. Has serious damage and serious CC. Auto attacks hit hard as well, all while having several strong stuns with low cast time. Not talking about Condi Rev, because I’ve got no idea about that.
If a trap from DH hits you and interrupts your Vault/WS, what do you do? You just wasted initiative, I’d have a problem.

If you use D/P, your damage is simply too low to be able to compete with other classes.

By the way, Druid has more stealth than staff thief and the smokefield can be blasted. Other classes can use alacrity much better as well. Chrono is able to give you endurance and can make you passive dodge for 3-6 seconds, which is much stronger imo. You’re able to do damage while dodging and downed can be protected from cleave.

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If you look at this statistic: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta

Why does noone play thief? You can’t tell me noone of the best thieves on EU put thoughts and training on thief. I’ve actually seen Sindrener on staff thief and it seems like he didn’t stick with it, moved to Revenant. Also Red Levin played D/P in monthly tournament and he contributed very little to the team, he plays Revenant now.

I think all core specs need a serious nerf, there should be no incentive to use a basic core spec build.

assassin.7895:

Elpredator.8523:

how is it trash talk?
show us the invisible cc hack (video evidence or photo) then prove me wrong which fyi is probably heavy light.

pretty much anyone is agreeing to me that there is invisible CC from guardian. I dont need to prove you wrong anything, you have to. the invisible CC is a fact and is in no way related to graphic settings, which is why your denial of invisible cc is ridiculous and not relevant to the topic at all.

how was the quote in my post updated after this guy edited? I got a pm saying my post was removed, but instead the mods edited the quote so it no longer makes sense?

is thsi a thing ?

Jugglemonkey.8741:

assassin.7895:

I think this thread is utter garbage and cancer to all thieves and players who enjoy thief gameplay. This thread gives people the completely wrong idea, that thief might be viable.

Thief isn’t viable by any means, gets countered by almost all meta builds and has too many flaws.

I want to get this question answered:
What does thief do better than other classes? Why should anyone pick a thief in his comp?

Maybe chill and have a bit of fun? If you constantly worry about what’s viable you just get hacked off with the game in my experience. Find something you like about the class, build around it, and turn off whispers when in PvP.

While optimal builds are always viable, viable builds don’t have to be optimal.

I’m (everyone is) trying to win, not to lose and when I’m putting my team at a major disadvantage, simply by choosing to play thief, thief is far from optimal and definitely not viable. I’m not that selfish kitten that doesn’t care about being a dead weight to your team. As a consequence i’m not playing Thief anymore.

Btw: That is not related to me at all, I posted that for a greater cause.

AkaXan.1096:

I think the thief is good at decapping and +1 fights. But is that what thief is supposed to be? When we look at the thief, i look at assassins, rogues etc. What do they excel at? high single target burst and 1v1. Anet actually describes the profession on the site as someone who excels at 1v1’s, which ironically isn’t really our strength, and imo our burst is not high compared to what other classes can offer in single target/aoe burst. So while the thief is good at decapping and +1, I don’t believe the thief lives up to the image that we have in our minds when we think of thieves.

+1 isn’t particularly a strength of thief now, Rev & DH can have insane mobility and are also able to follow you, when you try to decap.

what’s the point of that build?

low dps, bad tank, little utility

terrible

0/10

Elpredator.8523:

how is it trash talk?
show us the invisible cc hack (video evidence or photo) then prove me wrong which fyi is probably heavy light.

pretty much anyone is agreeing to me that there is invisible CC from guardian. I dont need to prove you wrong anything, you have to. the invisible CC is a fact and is in no way related to graphic settings, which is why your denial of invisible cc is ridiculous and not relevant to the topic at all.

When I fight DH, they often have invisible CC. I try to move, dodge etc., but I get knocked down.

What hack are they using and how can I prevent this?

I think this thread is utter garbage and cancer to all thieves and players who enjoy thief gameplay. This thread gives people the completely wrong idea, that thief might be viable.

Thief isn’t viable by any means, gets countered by almost all meta builds and has too many flaws.

I want to get this question answered:
What does thief do better than other classes? Why should anyone pick a thief in his comp?

initiative is not the problem.

thief is too weak to condis,
suspectible to blind and weakness,
has bad weapon skills,
gets countered by scrapper,chrono, rev, dh, tempest and is outsustained by reaper, druid

Why do you need 99% representation? I understand you want to have your guild represented in PVP, but in PVE?

thief is bad at raids, probably. damage is ok, but not good enough and thief has no support. just like necro.

bump

bug still not fixed

greetings

bump

bug still not fixed

greetings

Andraus.3874:

You can’t expect them to fix bugs that quickly. Wait a week then post again. Don’t get your hopes up tho.

The chance is higher they actually see the bug exists.

bump

bug still not fixed

greetings