Just to point out, necro is really OP if used, same with guard, mes, ranger, engi. And if you want to say something needs nerfed, write about D/D ele, and not warrior.
Necro, guard, mesmer, ranger, engineer, thief are not OP.
I’m just saying this, but teef is able to stack 15-25 stacks of might in a few seconds. Warrior doesn’t need a nerf, dodging an eviscerate is really easly, same with bulls charge, earth shaker, etc. You just need to learn how to kill a warrior, to begin with in any fight, kite around chaining CnD on teef (or what ever you do with the class you play) and get a look at the build this warrior is using. a lot of warriors at the start of a fight with activate Berserker Stance, so until it runs out, just kite, when it runs out you can chain CnD again, or use SB (whatever ranged you use if you do) and tease out his endure pain, every warrior will be running at least one of them. save your stun breakers for the right moment. If your using D/P than use the combo of pistol skill 5 and heart seeker for stealth, wait out zerker stance, try to stay in your black powder for a bit; A blind foe, is a weak foe.
Also isn’t teef like bottom tier now or something? So if you do play thief, and keep dying to warriors, well there’s your problem, you need to get good xD
I think you wrote this in the wrong topic.
If Might-stacking is the only thing you consider as viable support, you should be a comedian.
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supreme group support (banners, might, boons, power trait etc)
How does nec, thief, etc. come close? Blind (or vuln) is hardly relevant. Invis neither…
Stopped reading there, vuln and blind not relevant? you do realize that if you blind a target when an mportant attack animation starts makes it miss and thus mitigates damage for the whole party?, you do realize that stacking might is irrelevant if you do not keep an eye on also stacking vuln?, also if the pug breaks out of refugee or doesn’t blast smoke fields then they have a ton of things from the combat mechanics still.
Also if anything, I’d rather have harder PvE content than “nerfing a class because it’s troo stronk plz nerf” this games needs less zerging and 1 spamming in order to make people learn the combat mechanics, but I guess it’s just too much to ask, some encounters have been nerfed to oblivion because people argue that the content it’s too hard.
1. You can’t blind bosses.
2. In SW mobs mostly have big AoE, they don’t stay in blind powder etc., you can’t blind every attack (Ele can, which is op)
3. Vuln is capped at 25 stacks I think, which you will always get regardless of your build at bosses. Versus smaller mob groups vuln hardly matters, because you and other players mostly won’t attack the same target. Necro vuln might be useful, but I don’t think just the vuln justifies the use of a necro instead of a warrior. Warrior can also apply good amount of vuln.
4. regular mobs die so fast, vuln build up doesn’t happen anyway.Okay… warrior is a good class now, don’t get me wrong.
But OP you are so factually incorrect on so many things… but in my response I’m going to only tough up on comparison between thief and warrior since what you said about thieves bothers me the most.
So thief…
First of all, thief has the highest mobility in the game out of all classes. It’s fastest underwater, it can port through walls, it can move faster in a straight line out in the open even than any other class unless they’re using an executioner’s axe toy.
There’s no ifs ands or buts— it is by far the class with the highest mobility in the game.
That said, its damage is actually slightly worse in a solo setting than a warrior on average but in groups it has potential to deal higher. The thing is, warrior is an offensive buffing class in group-oriented PvE but it can also apply some of its group-buffing capabilities to itself as well, like banner of discipline and forceful greatsword.
Warrior is indeed a strong class! The thing is, warrior is one of the classes that benefits the least from being near others. It is a very self-sufficient class, which is why when you’re leveling with it or just doing regular everyday activities it’s a lot easier and intuitive to get things done with.
It doesn’t need any nerfs though, because the reality is that while it does have very high potential to be great it has lower potential than a lot of the other classes in many areas.
In fact, its mobility is deceiving. It isn’t nearly as mobile anymore as you might think, and that’s mostly because of the nerf this summer to movement skills not being affected by swiftness. GS rush still to this day feels sluggish! I knew I would be right— there’s just no getting used to it no matter how long I play
You might be able to move faster as thief, but what about combat? With every movement skill on warrior you’re able to do damage. If you use SB 5 you automatically lose damage (waste initiative and also can’t use your sword or dagger) and Shadow return is on too high cooldown. Heartseeker is slower than warrior, withdraw is actually is a good skill though. I think it’s both equal.
Also I absolutely agree about the nerf of movement skills, it’s very bad.
Since dagger can only attack two targets and your low hp and toughness require additional survivability you’re mostly forced to use S/P. Sometimes using backstab skill is hardly possible. In most PVE content (dungeons is only small percentage) I think warrior deals more damage and offers more support. Thief might have a potential to deal more damage, but only when all odds are given, which is not the case mostly. And tbh you would expect thief to do more damage.
Tell me people, why is warrior good at almost everything and partly among the best or the best, but classes such as necro or ranger suck at almost everything mentioned? How is that justified? It feels like Anet loves warrior and ignores certain other classes.
I find it terribly hilarious that you’re upset mobs don’t stand in your black powder. Thank you for cheering me up.
What? I’m not playing thief in PVE, thief is garbage. Ele is million times better, just use 1x Ice Bow and Meteor Shower and you’re done with every event. Also why would any thief ever blind his foes? Just use Pistol Whip + Critical Strikes and you’re nearly invincible. Besides BP is simply too bad to use, not reliable, just like I said.
Np though.
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If Might-stacking is the only thing you consider as viable support, you should be a comedian.
?
supreme group support (banners, might, boons, power trait etc)
How does nec, thief, etc. come close? Blind (or vuln) is hardly relevant. Invis neither…
Stopped reading there, vuln and blind not relevant? you do realize that if you blind a target when an mportant attack animation starts makes it miss and thus mitigates damage for the whole party?, you do realize that stacking might is irrelevant if you do not keep an eye on also stacking vuln?, also if the pug breaks out of refugee or doesn’t blast smoke fields then they have a ton of things from the combat mechanics still.
Also if anything, I’d rather have harder PvE content than “nerfing a class because it’s troo stronk plz nerf” this games needs less zerging and 1 spamming in order to make people learn the combat mechanics, but I guess it’s just too much to ask, some encounters have been nerfed to oblivion because people argue that the content it’s too hard.
1. You can’t blind bosses.
2. In SW mobs mostly have big AoE, they don’t stay in blind powder etc., you can’t blind every attack (Ele can, which is op)
3. Vuln is capped at 25 stacks I think, which you will always get regardless of your build at bosses. Versus smaller mob groups vuln hardly matters, because you and other players mostly won’t attack the same target. Necro vuln might be useful, but I don’t think just the vuln justifies the use of a necro instead of a warrior. Warrior can also apply good amount of vuln.
4. regular mobs die so fast, vuln build up doesn’t happen anyway.
Okay… warrior is a good class now, don’t get me wrong.
But OP you are so factually incorrect on so many things… but in my response I’m going to only tough up on comparison between thief and warrior since what you said about thieves bothers me the most.
So thief…
First of all, thief has the highest mobility in the game out of all classes. It’s fastest underwater, it can port through walls, it can move faster in a straight line out in the open even than any other class unless they’re using an executioner’s axe toy.
There’s no ifs ands or buts— it is by far the class with the highest mobility in the game.
That said, its damage is actually slightly worse in a solo setting than a warrior on average but in groups it has potential to deal higher. The thing is, warrior is an offensive buffing class in group-oriented PvE but it can also apply some of its group-buffing capabilities to itself as well, like banner of discipline and forceful greatsword.
Warrior is indeed a strong class! The thing is, warrior is one of the classes that benefits the least from being near others. It is a very self-sufficient class, which is why when you’re leveling with it or just doing regular everyday activities it’s a lot easier and intuitive to get things done with.
It doesn’t need any nerfs though, because the reality is that while it does have very high potential to be great it has lower potential than a lot of the other classes in many areas.
In fact, its mobility is deceiving. It isn’t nearly as mobile anymore as you might think, and that’s mostly because of the nerf this summer to movement skills not being affected by swiftness. GS rush still to this day feels sluggish! I knew I would be right— there’s just no getting used to it no matter how long I play
You might be able to move faster as thief, but what about combat? With every movement skill on warrior you’re able to do damage. If you use SB 5 you automatically lose damage (waste initiative and also can’t use your sword or dagger) and Shadow return is on too high cooldown. Heartseeker is slower than warrior, withdraw is actually is a good skill though. I think it’s both equal.
Also I absolutely agree about the nerf of movement skills, it’s very bad.
Since dagger can only attack two targets and your low hp and toughness require additional survivability you’re mostly forced to use S/P. Sometimes using backstab skill is hardly possible. In most PVE content (dungeons is only small percentage) I think warrior deals more damage and offers more support. Thief might have a potential to deal more damage, but only when all odds are given, which is not the case mostly. And tbh you would expect thief to do more damage.
Tell me people, why is warrior good at almost everything and partly among the best or the best, but classes such as necro or ranger suck at almost everything mentioned? How is that justified? It feels like Anet loves warrior and ignores certain other classes.
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