Guild Wars 2

Yeah I did 100 normal last night and didn’t get Daily Fractal for it.

mazut.4296:

No, dont lower the LI, lower the insane amount of T6 mats…

Seconded!

I like Spirit Vale but I would have really loved some challenging 5-man content even more.

I agree with whoever said that enduring all the dialog as many times as it takes is the true achievement. The dialog heavy instance achievements would be sooo much more fun to go after if there was a way to skip to the action.

I would love it if GW2 could run on Steam OS. But even if it could be streamed out of a normal Steam install to another machine I will be happy.

PvE:
1) Ascended weapons and armor (worried about the grind and the build lock-in)
2) Condition cap
3) Grind in general for anything perdy

I liked it better last year as well. It was more fun being in a horde of other characters all scrambling up the tower. This year’s is a little less challenging because of it, and more sterile/boring.

ME LIKEY:
1. The intro instance and story were superb, I loved it. Can’t wait to see the end.
2. I like the idea of the new bosses in the maze, although they are pretty boring.

ME NO LIKEY:
1. The weapon skins are craaaaazy expensive and the bags take a crap load of candy corn.
2. Too much downtime in the maze, there are long periods of time where no doors spawn.
3. Besides the story there isn’t anything new yet. The Lab, Clocktower, PVP game, etc. are from last year and aren’t as exciting as last year.

ME HOPE:
1. More/new content (like the dungeon) arrives that are fun/repeatable and make it easier to amass candy corn and other halloween mats.

I had this issue a lot last year, I failed the last jump 5+ times before I made it. Haven’t had it happen to me this year yet, I was hoping they had fixed something. Sorry OP =/

I like doing the Teq event, but I hate all the organizing and waiting in overflow before he spawns. I don’t have all that much time to play and the waiting can take up most of my available gaming time.

Behellagh.1468:

Unless you are riding a champ train, hitting all the dungeon paths daily or have the capital to make big bucks in the market, gold isn’t all that easy to come by. Not in the quantities to level your crafting skill quickly, because the quickest way isn’t all that profitable via crafting alone. So when some crafting guide says it’ll only cost you X gold to level from 1 to 500, that X gold can be daunting to some. But if you took up your gathering tools early and go nuts on every node you see, then the out of pocket cost of leveling your crafting skill is “free”. Sure you aren’t making as much selling your finished items than if you simply sold off your mats but if you are judging cost buy coin spent, then it’s free.

It may feel free, but the OP is pointing out that in the economic sense (in context of the in-game economy) it is not free because of the opportunity cost. Of course it is perfectly acceptable to ignore that and only pay attention to coin spent.

fellyn.5083:

fourpoundburrito.1698:

fellyn.5083:

If I chose to associate a money value with the materials. The only value they have to me is to craft with them. The cost I pay is the little time it takes to get them.

I’m not giving up anything except for my time.

Materials are just a means to end. For you that may be to make money. For me it’s to use as a crafting material, therefor they have no gold value to me. I don’t care what the market says they are worth.

So no there isn’t an opportunity cost for me.

“But but but but it has value..”

That’s great. I don’t care. It didn’t cost me any of my own gold to make so it was free outside of time and effort.

QED: you don’t understand what opportunity costs means.

I understand it just fine. I don’t see how it applies to me and my materials because I was never looking to make any money from them. Therefor the only value they had to me was what I could use to make from them.

I’m pretty sure that opportunity cost implies there is a choice to be made between one thing or the other. To me there is no choice because I was never looking at them or considered them as means to make money, primarily.

The person who said it’s a matter of perspective is correct.

Now you might have an argument saying my opportunity cost was do I make a sword or do I make an axe? Or mace? So many choices.

OC doesn’t refer to the value YOU put on the materials, it refers to the loss of potential gain via the market’s value of the materials. So no, you do not understand it just fine.

eisberg.2379:

fourpoundburrito.1698:

fellyn.5083:

If I chose to associate a money value with the materials. The only value they have to me is to craft with them. The cost I pay is the little time it takes to get them.

I’m not giving up anything except for my time.

Materials are just a means to end. For you that may be to make money. For me it’s to use as a crafting material, therefor they have no gold value to me. I don’t care what the market says they are worth.

So no there isn’t an opportunity cost for me.

“But but but but it has value..”

That’s great. I don’t care. It didn’t cost me any of my own gold to make so it was free outside of time and effort.

QED: you don’t understand what opportunity costs means.

Or he does, and finds it completely irrelevant. I understand the concept fully, but find it completely irrelevant in a game.

It’s fine to say opportunity cost is irrelevant to you, but at least you acknowledge that it exists. The other poster is saying it doesn’t exist, arguing against it’s very definition.

fellyn.5083:

If I chose to associate a money value with the materials. The only value they have to me is to craft with them. The cost I pay is the little time it takes to get them.

I’m not giving up anything except for my time.

Materials are just a means to end. For you that may be to make money. For me it’s to use as a crafting material, therefor they have no gold value to me. I don’t care what the market says they are worth.

So no there isn’t an opportunity cost for me.

“But but but but it has value..”

That’s great. I don’t care. It didn’t cost me any of my own gold to make so it was free outside of time and effort.

QED: you don’t understand what opportunity costs means.

For sure you could set up two separate Windows VMs and run both of them at the same time. You do all of the non-windows stuff for free by installing Linux and VirtualBox.

fellyn.5083:

Cactus.2710:

fourpoundburrito.1698:

I don’t understand all of the fuss in this thread. The OP is just pointing out the fact that there is an opportunity cost involved in crafting with mats you gathered yourself. So people who say stuff like “OMG it only cost me 20g to level weaponsmithing to 500 ’cause I had most of the mats in the bank already” are wrong. The correct statement is that it cost them 20g plus what they could have made selling all their mats instead of crafting with them.

^this^

It appears that a lot of people posting here don’t have a clue what “opportunity cost” means. Any money forgone by not selling the mats is money that could have been used for any other aspect of the game, and unless somebody ONLY played GW2 to make that one weapon that one time, the concept totally applies here. The money you didn’t get from the TP is just as real as the money you spent there.

If you only play for profit then sure. Not everyone plays to maximize profits. I’m not sure why that’s hard to understand.

What does this post have to do with either the OP or either of the quoted posts? I play for fun and not to maximize profit yet I understand there is an opportunity cost every time I choose to hoard / craft something vs. selling it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

I don’t understand all of the fuss in this thread. The OP is just pointing out the fact that there is an opportunity cost involved in crafting with mats you gathered yourself. So people who say stuff like “OMG it only cost me 20g to level weaponsmithing to 500 ’cause I had most of the mats in the bank already” are wrong. The correct statement is that it cost them 20g plus what they could have made selling all their mats instead of crafting with them.

Kromica.2831:

Lyer.1905:

I sincerely hope that you don’t do anything with Lupicus; he is the single best encounter in the entire game. I do hope that you fix his bugs however, especially the aoe in p2 hitting in areas where it shouldn’t.

If by best encounter you mean easy then yes he is the best. He looks cool to.

Can you make every dungeon at least able to be done with only 4 ? My group was very disappointed when we did coe and it requires 5 to get past the laser wall. You can leave the difficulty we just don’t like having to bring someone just so they can hit a button or stand in a certain spot when we are perfectly cable of doing everything else ourselves.

I’ve done this in a group with four before. On the other side of the lasers two consoles are right next to each other. If you stand in a very precise spot between them you can use both without moving. If that person starts the countdown they can use both before time is up. It might take a few tries but it can be done.

Don’t put expensive runes on masterwork gear, save them for rare or exotic. There are plenty of guides out there but you have 4 choices for obtaining exotic gear: Orr Karma vendors (42k karma per piece), crafting (5 ectos plus t6 mats per piece), dungeon gear (180-330 tokens per piece), or just buying stuff from the TP. Find what pieces you want based on their stats and/or looks and start grinding!

Edit: Yes you can survive Orr with Beserker gear, Mesmer’s have stealth, blink, blur, etc. to completely avoid taking damage. It’s up to you though!

I position the camera to the side of my character so that it looks like I’m playing Mario or any other side scrolling platformer. I hardly ever die on the lasers any more.

Pinch.4273:

This ^. People complain about every kitten thing. Anything that makes impossible kitten a little easier they cry, anything that’s impossible they cry, you can never make them happy. This isn’t game breaking, it’s called planning ahead to make things less complicated, the same as when you take food, sharpening stones and skale venom.

First of all, I’m not crying, so please grow up and learn how to properly respond to an opposing point of view. Secondly, I doubt you’ll find any posts of mine where I’m saying things are too difficult.

Spy kits “don’t make things a little easier”, they make things trivial. Food buffs and potions are incomparable. Those are standardized and perfectly acceptable, and boost your effectiveness by a reasonable percentage. Spy kits let you avoid playing the game.

Power.2957:

LOL? Which GW1 did you play? Cuz we couldn’t have played the same one. In GW1 there was a TON more skipping than what’s going on in this game. In GW1 people would sell runs of missions and elite areas.

You still killed a lot of stuff in DoA/FoW/Deep/Urgoz. The only place you did tons of skipping was UW. None of those were on the level of skipping you can do in GW2, where you can finish an Arah path by only killing 1 or 2 mobs.

I remember skipping tons of mobs in DoA in Gloom and Foundry. And in FoW anything that wasn’t skipped was either AoE bombed in seconds or soloed by special classes/builds. Trash is trash, there in’t usually anything interesting about it. And since the dungeons all require you to grind them repeatedly to get stuff skipping becomes more fun than clearing.

Like others have said I liked DoA after they split the environment effects off in to hard mode. My main complaint is that some parts had too much trash (City was ALL trash, Forge and tons and tons of it).

I wouldn’t like to see the return of the wipe and you get kicked out mechanic, I like the way that Fractals and the EoTN dungeons handle wipes much better.

I love speed running but yeah the people that lead them are frequently huge kittens.

I miss GW1 FoW speed clears btw. Dropping SS and watching insane numbers pop, getting a shard out of the chest, then doing it all over again (no diminishing returns)! Although the rage was even worse in GW1’s speed clear scene.

I think it’s a fair trade. There have been a lot of progress blocking glitches in dungeons, bosses and trash with absurd time sink HP pools, unbalanced paths, etc. When I’m in a pug that glitches something in a dungeon I feel that it evens the score a bit.

(That said the score is still not even, I will never forgive the Arah path 4 final boss for not spawning and DCing at Jade Maw in high end fractals :P)

PowerCat.5738:

Heya Robert

There’s been many reports of not being able to complete Arah path 4 even after beating Simin. Have you guys looked into that last boss bug as well?

Yes, I’d like to hear if there has been any progress on this bug. I’m afraid to try Arah path 4 again because of this bug.

Elise Lestat.6390:

See above video for words beyond unfair.

Same thing happened to my group

RoRo.8270:

Path 4 bloodstone shard doesn’t become attackable randall does not interact with the shard triggering the cutscene not sure what causes this

I want to repost this one since it was buried in RoRo’s long list. When approaching the shard we saw a brief cutscene, but after killing the 4 mobs guarding it nothing happened. After spending 5 hours in the dungeon (Simin took us a really, really long time) our brains exploded all over our keyboards, it was quite a mess.

Stay away from p4 man, it’s brutally long and then it will probably bug out at the very last boss.

Hey Anet and fellow dungeon heads,

Just wanted to report a bug with Arah path 4. My group and I slogged through all of the first seven bosses, including an insane 2-3 hours at Simin that was full of bickering, rage quitting, drama, back stab kicking, etc. When we got to the Bloodstone Shard however, the final boss didn’t spawn. We saw a cutscene when we first approached the shard, but when we led the NPC up to it nothing happened. The only thing I can think of that may have directly contributing to it bugging out was that we wiped when fighting the 4 mobs guarding the shard (mostly due to sheer exaustion) and has to run back once.

I was only running this path to get my dungeon master title and I definitely won’t be going back until I hear that this bug gets fixed because it is a pretty huge setback after spending something like 4 or 5 in the dungeon to not get credit. In fact I think someone in my group threatened suicide. I do have a screenshot on my laptop if anyone really needs a visual.

TL;DR : Even if after you spend 4 hours running Arah path 4 it still may bug out for you at the very end.

Asglarek.8976:

LOL Time magazine top 10 list along with person or the year list are junk. Any magazine that put Adolf Hitler, Mao and Stalin as persons of the year should be looked at with suspicion.

I don’t read Time but I know a little about it’s history. Time’s "Person of the year " is supposed to feature the person that they believe impacted the world the most in a given year. It isn’t always a popularity hug-fest.

CoE and SE are my favorites for their interesting and unique fights. There are a few duds in there (CoE path 3’s destroyer boss and the totem golem on all paths and SE path 2 could be shorter) but they are still my overall favorites.

For their atmosphere I also really like CM and HotW.

I just did this with a pug and can verify that it’s fixed. Engaging the Asura boss caused the patrols to stop. Was still tough to get through the golem though, it took 1 wipe and we only got it down after 3 of the party grave rushed. We had 2 guardians, 2 eles, and 1 engi.

After doing level 10 for about 9 days I got absurdly lucky and got the defensive version of the ring with my preferred stats. However I have had 0 rings since then and I’m still at 2 vials and 0 crystals after ~110 fractals. Also the one time I tried level 20 I crashed at the very end so I didn’t even get a chance at any of teh lootz. I will probably take a little break until they get the DC/reconnect bug and all the new patch bugs fixed before trying again.

stof.9341:

- Walking through the lair of the ultimate life form : the Champion Destroyer Crab. Run for your lives! Thank god this monster doesn’t try to take over the world or else we’ll all be doomed.

lol, I couldn’t agree more. The run back past that beast is much worse than actually dying in the lava. In fact THAT thing should be the boss and they could cut out the giant destroyer altogether. This would increase the challenge of the path and shorten it at the same time!

CoE is one of my favorite dungeons, I hope it can get some love. Shorten paths 2 and 3 by 10-15 minutes and I think we’d see more people running it.

Sabyne.6329:

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

runeblade.7514:

Why not both?

I like new content, it makes the game really fresh and exciting.

Because we can’t get both at once.

I’m not sure the people working on fixing bugs/balance and the ones working on designing and coding new content are the same you know.

I think you are right as I have seen Anet say as much on these forums. However that doesn’t change the fact that right now we can’t seem to get both. The old content is still buggy, the new content is buggy, and the new fixes for the old content are buggy.

I am a software developer and have past experience similar to the OP. Too many bugs being added in production, low quality releases, angry customers, etc. My organization did some serious soul searching and did several things such as beefing up the QA staff, more regression testing, reducing scope, more responsibility and ownership to individual developers, etc. We also release new features slower than we used to but we still pull off 3-4 QUALITY releases a year.

I don’t remember Anet being this bad with the GW1 patches but I’m sure things have changed there since then. Whatever the case may be I hope they can fix their processes/people/whatever and actually start to deliver quality in to their product.

From dungeon paths getting randomly stealth broken to obvious jumping bugs and beyond I now fear patch day. And completely dread new content releases. Also, I now have a phobia for developer blogs regarding with new loot tiers that obviously aren’t major grinds whatsoever.

I would like new content but I would like the existing content fixed first even more. The way I see it is:

Adding new content = Buggy Old Content + Buggy New Content
or
Fixing existing content = Working Content

We’ve had patch after patch that seem to fix very few progress impeding dungeon bugs yet somehow always manage to add new bugs.

I’ve only done Lupi once, it was with a pug, but I don’t think we had any deaths at all. Everyone knew what to do and it was pretty easy to execute. Lupi with Agony however might be a different story. I think Alpha is tougher overall though, especially without graveyard rushing. Add Agony to Alpha and you would have a hard kitten fight.

^ Some of those seem pretty iffy for exploits. Skipping camp fires, walking on the ~40 degree incline walls at Old Tom, and invisibility kits to stand on plates? Those are a far cry from jumping through walls (Asura/Dredge) and the like.

I’d say it is possible that ascended items costs will be revised:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/13tuac/im_the_studio_design_director_on_guild_wars_2_ama/c774dpu

Seras.5702:

Look up the word “unique” in a dictionary and I guarantee it says nothing about “only 1 being equipped at a time.”

Quoted for truth

Because they are a legendary grind, ’nuff said.

After watching that video a couple weeks ago I tried getting a pug together for SE1. We got the first boss down after a couple tries but couldn’t make much of a dent in the second boss before wiping. That was all a few of the group members could handle so the group fizzled out. Definitely not pug friendly.

I want to echo others by saying Great Post. It sums up many of my own feelings much eloquently than I am capable of. I’m not going to quit playing today or tomorrow or even the next day based on the promise of more vertical progression but my long term attachment to the game does seem doubtful now (unlike the 5+ years I spent with GW1). Hopefully the design team takes your post in to consideration for future content.

OP: Are you nuts? Asking for bosses to have more HP? They already have too much HP as it is. Very, very, very few boss fights in the game would be made more challenging by increasing boss HP, but I can assure you that it would succeed in making most boss fights more boring.

2k for a ring? 500 for a ring? After reading through their AMA is sounds like Anet realizes this game is already too grindy as it is.

They should replace the ring drops with a ring token so you can trade it for a ring you want. Also add an RNG forgiveness system so if you go 7 daily’s without getting a token to drop your drop chance goes to 100%. Forget this grind BS.

Hearte.6852:

Henryik.8260:

Hearte.6852:

Helenorz.2547:

Hearte.6852:

A couple other dredge exploits for the list:

Just prior to Rabsovich on the door destruction path. Someone in the group had a stack of Ash Legion Spy Kits, which they used to cheese the door, after we downed a Reverberant and they grabbed the cannon. 10 seconds of uninterrupted stealth at the door.

Also for Rabsovich, the group decided to pull him out of the room to fight him away from his adds, completely debasing the whole fight.

I don’t think pull him away to fight him is an exploit. That’s a workaround. It’s no different than pulling a small group at a time to fight them in any situation. It’s just more tactical, safer, and much smarter than just charge into a group.

That’s ridiculous. It’s an easy fight regardless. Why would the designers intend for you to make it a joke? It’s not about pulling him away from a group of mobs to be tactical; it’s about completely removing an element of the fight until the boss is dead. Clearly not intended, therefore exploit.

LOL, whats so clear about it? Developers made a fight, players thought of ways to deal with it, and u are calling it an exploit? Tell you what, they expect you to have 20 resist on 20-29 jade maw fight too. If you don’t have it, you are exploiting your way up by letting those who have 20 resist cheese rez you up

And since you believe the folks at Arena Net are gods, can foresee all probable outcomes and do not make mistakes as mortals do, then obviously any “workarounds” are totally legitimate. People Like you really do worry me.

I’m sure they thought of pulling the boss outside the room. Pulling bosses is one of the oldest tactics in book as far as MMO games go. Other fractals have gates that shut during fights so they will add one here as well if they want to.

~100 fractals done here. 1 vial and 1 ring.

I don’t plan on using the ring with my character for two reasons: the main stat is +condition damage (I play a Guardian) and it has an offensive slot (expensive to get an infusion for). Maybe an alt can use it someday…

Anet has commented on these forums that Kholer was meant to be an optional boss. There are trade offs either way: if you beat him you get silver, a chest, and a waypoint. If you skip him you get through your run faster (provided people don’t die and need to run from further away).