Guild Wars 2

Viva la resistance I have also been NOT SILENCED!

Sagat.3285:

What about fear not working as an interrupt?? It doesn’t show the text for me but I didn’t verify with procs.

Another bug, yeah that’s not working unless they fixed it in the last patch.

Hey everyone guess what?

This game is not gw1.

Supreme.3164:

I clearly stated that it was my desire to avoid any unnecessary comment, other that warrant a report, trollish and childish comments contribute nothing to the thread.
I’d really appreciate if you can keep the thread clean, free from the clutter that you create.

I only wish to have calm and relaxed discussion with mature and intelligent people, I don’t need any flaming or trolling

Thank you for your understanding and have a nice day

I am so sorry you are amazing player so what you say must be truth I am sorry sorry sorry very sorry am sorry so sorry. you are best player so you know game best player sorry.

Dawdler.8521:

Press DS, nothing happens.
Press DS again, nothing happens.
Push random weapon skills, 1 out of 3 works.
Push DS again cause you’re trying to survive a bomb, nothing happens
Push heal, DS pops and instantly flip back followed by 3s interrupt cd on heal.

Yeah… I wish I had l2p issues. At least that I could try to improve.

Sounds like you have either a bad connection, kittenty keyboard, kittenty computer or a combination of all of them I have never had that happen ever.

Raunchy.6891:

NeXeD.3042:

choovanski.5462:

NeXeD.3042:

Still sounds like a bunch of whiners who can’t hack it. So they say the game doesn’t take that much skill even though they can’t break into the top echelon of pvp…. but of course if you “felt” like it you could right…..

i speak as a decent pvp player, go and fight a top player. i fought caed with a pal and it completely changed my perspective on tournaments. those 1v1s were like going back to being a noob again. caed is a beast, and the fact that all of the players are at a similar level, in that they can beat and survive caed.

most people come to these forums and call builds faceroll, cele engi and ele especially. sure, they are faceroll if you are facing scrubs- but not if you are facing good players (nothing, apart from maybe phantasam mesmer is faceroll vs good players). all the qq about passive mechanics and blaming of game systems hardly make any of you look good at all. y’all are probably those scrub thieves i squash on a daily basis.

Thank you. they all think there is just some simple rotation and then they are pro but " I just don’t feel like playing in those tournaments" or some players pull the “I know players that are better than all those players in tournaments they just don’t feel like doing them” yeah kittening right if they thought they had a chance at winning 50k they would have taken it.

I’m pretty positive no one here is saying the top players are bad or that this is a game that takes no skill. We all just recognize its flaws and if you compare this game’s advanced techniques and strategies it hardly stacks up with games like SC, DotA, CS: GO, or even LoL (which isn’t a super mechanically accentuated game).

It’s exactly what alot of you are saying, it’s hysterical that you think wording it in cute ways makes any difference.

I sincerely doubt you understand 100% of pvp mechanics or strategies.

Also I played both SC2 and CS:GO your insane if you think those are in some way complicated. The biggest difference is in those games one mistake screws you completely, gw2 is more forgiving in the current meta so huge game changing plays are rarer. In CS GO and SC2 big plays have to happen for the game to end.

Rym.1469:

Necromancer loses half of it’s strenght if you don’t get VP in PvP.

Most important trait imho.

Meh, I disagree I prefer dp, ntd, and piercing lifeblasts.

Only way I see this could work on power necro is 4/4/0/0/6 haven’t been able to play in a week so I’m a little excited for this.

Anchoku.8142:

Dagger traits are in Blood Magic, which is why, I think, people have a hard time with those traits.

MH dagger and scepter are poor at generating LF so you will want axe or staff for support on weapon swap. Reaper’s Precision is a fair alternative to Weakening Shroud if you need LF.

OH dagger is very attractive for condition transfer, if you are running light on condition management.

Since when has mh dagger been bad at generating lifeforce? Scepter can be effective at generating lifeforce with smart usage of 3 which some people tend to forget to use for some reason or they just suck at timing when to use it.

But I’m 200% sure dagger is our best best best lifeforce generating weapon.

Nope, l2p and don’t be so twitchy. Some people use exactly what your doing as an advantage.

It is a personal problem not a mechanics problem.

I usually opt for near to death over both of those.

Saiyan.1704:

I highly doubt a player deficit is root to a bad leaderboard…

Sorry I meant matchmaking not leaderboard.

Ancient.9175:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

NeXeD.3042:

I agree I only want to play if I win, I shouldn’t lose I pay play game so I should win no loss because I play my way and my way I win because I pay so I should no lose because I play my way and my way no lose so I win because I pay

Nobody is saying that, I think anyone who solo queues has accepted that they are going to lose matches, 50% of them most likely. What people don’t like is losing points for games they have little control over.

Ok so you have two options, go campaigning for gw2 and get a bigger player base so the skill levels of all players aren’t so disparaging.

Or what I have said once before is the pvp community can organize itself and stop waiting for anet to do something that might just be absolutely impossible due to the games pvp population. Some guilds have tried and what I’ve noticed from being a part of one of the guilds is all the other players seem to see the tag and say Ewwww…. discouraging players from joining…

Sagat.3285:

NeXeD.3042:

I was thinking spectral wall.

Lmao I did notice I try to get some confusion using Staff AA when it’s out and I even wish I got conditions on me so I can get chaos armor lol, I still prefer corruption retaliation or simply transferring confusion. This bug is irritating I was just about to mix perplexity,dhumfire and terror.

Wurm attacking through wall also works!

Other acct banned for sarcasm =(

Lol someone can’t handle sarcasm.

Don’t blow any long cooldowns at the start of the fight. just keep dpsing. Once you see he has blown obsidian skin and watch for him to leave water then nuke the living kitten out of him with everything you’ve got.

That’s the basic premise of fighting a s/f ele.

If they are crap players no amount of communication is going to make them win.

glock.6590:

Xterra.6172:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

SWTOR also. At least it has a variety of different pvp game modes though.

Then those games are trash. In a real PvP game with smart developers that would never happen.

You mean like gw2?

zapv.8051:

imaclown.1628:

Anchoku.8142:

War horn’s trait improvement is in Curses so if you need LS and daze for more than occasional use, i.e., a core skill, your power build will need to compromise. WH supports a condition damage build better than power but is still good, regardless.

It’s still precision….. teaching people to take traits based on what lines they are in is bad practice. You take the trait if you want the trait. Not for whatever trait line it’s in.

The stats a trait line gives are extremely relevant to the build’s performance. Advising people not to pay attention to the stats they are getting out of a trait line is really bad. The 300 stats you get from going 6 in a line are half as much as the minor stats on an amulet.

If it helps it helps. But I would never advise someone to go into a trait line for stats. Or against a trait line because of its stats. Traits are more important. The stats are nowhere near as relevant as the traits.

Xterra.6172:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

SWTOR also. At least it has a variety of different pvp game modes though.

There are plenty more…. if anyones been pvping online for more than 5 years I’m sure they have had plenty of experience with it. If they haven’t they come here to cry =)

Tao.5096:

Rieselle.5079:

But 50% win rate means the matchmaking is working perfectly? That’s how matchmaking is supposed to be….

No, it doesn’t. There is a thread where Justin said that this system only group people by rating, and that’s why I gave an example with rating problem.

Both sides have equal chance to get newbie players, as well. So your opponents are in the same boat. Since you have 50% win rate, quite likely that you’ve been on the other side of the equation before too. But I don’t see you mentioning those “unfair victories”, huh princess?

Win rate alone isn’t a problem.
I don’t mind when my kitten get whooped by players who outplay me or simply are better. I rarely consider anything from skill sets to be really unfair/overpowered, due to my habit to test those stuff myself and always try to figure out the advantages and weaknesses of those skills/attributes.

In a low-population game like this, it’s foolish to expect that you’ll always have a bunch of equal players available at exactly the moment you’re queuing for a match. The only way to guarantee that is to form a party.

Gw2 isn’t low populated.
Anet refuse to give exact number, or even rounded one.
But I tend to remember people I play with/against in pvp, and I can tell, that there is a vast amount of players who play PvP Arena.

imaclown.1628:

He even admits he is only here for the rewards…. and admits he wins 50% yet is still unhappy….

Let’s be straight.
What I refer to be frustrating, is when I’m put in match full of newbies.
I’m dragged to their level, meanwhile I want challenge.
I alone cannot contribute much for my team, because they behave like bots, scatter around mindlessly, fail to kill Mob with 3 people without dying to it, and when they decide to go with 3 people to enemy Home, they even fail to neutralize while wiping and wasting time.
Addition to it, is that they mostly refuse to accept the fact that they’re newbies and don’t listen to simple advices – language isn’t a problem, since flaming with Caps Lock is something they have mastered quite a time ago.
It’s only a russian roulette in such matches, either, your team listens or enemy does to someone who’s actually experienced and knowledgeable about current map.

This is an issue with Rating Matchmaking.
I don’t believe that newbies shouldn’t be allowed to enter ranked or go to custom, as some people demand, but there should be a line drawn, which separates experienced players from newbies.

And yes, to make such matches, which happen quite often, to be less frustrating and irritating, I’m simply lying to myself that even due to such pathetic matches and loses, I get some rewards from Tracks.
Because if not those Tracks, then I would simply stop going to PvP Arenas, to get kittened off by unfortunately, not really good matchmaking system.

Soooo… I guess I’m even more amazed that you have been able to keep a 50% win rate with all these issuess. Keep up the fantastic work Justin!

glock.6590:

imaclown.1628:

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

Oh really? Name me one game where you press solo Q button or hotjoin and get paired against a try hard full team on voice comms?

cod.

Anchoku.8142:

War horn’s trait improvement is in Curses so if you need LS and daze for more than occasional use, i.e., a core skill, your power build will need to compromise. WH supports a condition damage build better than power but is still good, regardless.

It’s still precision….. teaching people to take traits based on what lines they are in is bad practice. You take the trait if you want the trait. Not for whatever trait line it’s in.

glock.6590:

Not true. In fact, guild wars 2 is the only game that allows full premade on voice comms to be paired against a pug.

Yeah that’s completely kittening false.

I pretty much just ignore every post about matchmaking when I see that all is in vain thing…

He even admits he is only here for the rewards…. and admits he wins 50% yet is still unhappy….

Every post I’ve ever made like this got me promptly infracted hopefully you have better luck if not just enjoy when Justin shuts down the whiners with facts.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Nothing like some Power Necro play to make me want to play the game again. On the flip side, the D/P Thief at the end was a strong reminder of the kinds of fights that slowly turned me off from the game, since it was 50% of what I found roaming and it’s an infuriating match-up (to me, anyway).

Also, the LB while dodging is something I’ve encountered many times, but I never put forth the time/effort to figure out how to actually do it intentionally. I’m not sure if it’s a product of timing, or a product of lag, or both, or just a random bug, but if you could learn to do it on command, it’d be a pretty powerful little tool.

I just checked the power build and I noticed the 40% endurance refill rate food. Is that something new, or was I always just blind to it because condi duration was my faves (even for Power)?

Either way, thanks for the vid!

That foods been there for a while, not bad for necros considering our no vigor issue. I used to use it on my ele when I roamed wvw infinite dodges lol.

xDudisx.5914:

Current state of necro:

-For blobing is a zerker well bot.
-For pve extremely garbage. No group utility.
-For spvp fearmancer slightly op.
-For roaming: slow, easily ganked by superior numbers.

Problem with necro roaming is that the best 1v1 spec is slow as hell and has no leaps.

You do understand terrormancer had been nerfed a few times. I would hardly call them op If you aren’t dumb and expect the passive procs.

Jelzouki.4128:

does anyone have the math worked out to see how effective Signet of the Locust will be with healing power?

I think drannor did somewhere I’ll see if I can find it, might be in pvp forum

unlucky.9285:

even if i wait for them to waste stuns most will not cast them and just wait at 1200 ranger spawning clones on me

Lockdown mesmers have more stuns that probably have lower cooldowns than you have stunbreaks.

Corana.9837:

Signet of Vampirism is a fairly good healing skill but unlike Consume Conditions it does require a few specific traits to shine.

The Bloodthirst trait from the Blood Magic line increases the siphoning damage and heal of SoV and Signet Mastery from the Spite line decreases the cooldown. Typically, if you can hit once a second for 5 seconds with SoV’s active then it would be on par with a Consume Conditions that consumes two conditions.

In terms of group healing, and a party of 4 + you, an untraited SoV is on par with Well of Blood if each member of the party hits once every second for 5 seconds. A traited SoV under the same conditions heals for more than Well of Blood and on a much lower cooldown. Additionally, SoV provides damage for each Vampiric Mark consumed.

Simply, use Consume Conditions when you encounter many conditions or do not wish to trait into the Blood Magic line and Well of Blood for group healing. Though it would require 4 points into Blood Magic if you wish to reduce the recharge time of wells. To make the most of Signet of Vampirism you would need at least two points in Blood Magic and two points in Spite to maximize the potency of the skill.Though to make the most of SoV it needs to be placed on an enemy that will not die quickly though on the other hand there is no limit to the amount of people that can consume a Vampiric Mark charge. Otherwise, Well of Blood is easier to use for group-based healing.

Finally, all of the above is based upon a healing power of 450 which can be reached without any healing power equipment though it does require a large amount of power, Death into Life Master level minor trait and 5 points into Blood Magic. Personally, I use Spite – 4; Curses – 5; Blood Magic – 5 with Dagger/Warhorn and Axe/Dagger. With Warhorn 5 you can proc the Vampiric-based traits quite often and typically keeps you above 90% health to make the most of Scholar’s runes.

Nope nope and nope. CC is our best heal. If you are strictly a pve player go ahead and use vamp. But some of your information would hinder anyone trying to be effective in pve let alone the rest of the game.

skeptic.2409:

play it before saying anything

I’ve made better celestial builds than that junk and they still sucked. He doesn’t need to play it since flow had probably already tried builds like that without the useless utilities.

If you don’t want criticism don’t post a build and a video unless you really are a special snowflake you arent going to get the responses you want.

None of those build links work as far as I can tell. Just brings me to blank gw2skills.net

I know it’s not ideal but it can be used occasionally as offense… I see where the developers thought it was ok but it only works if you have dagger 4, staff 4, plague signet, generosity sigils, or wop.

unlucky.9285:

even in “tight spaces” its just as bad as on an open field because now they are porting on top of buildings and i cant even get to them…

if the area is more open then i cant even attack them because its 1200 range vs 600

eh… it is the way it is i guess, im not built for 1v1 or i would be useless for my team

You can win as a condi necro like noscocs build, but it requires very good use of wurm, walk and effective use of fears.

flow.6043:

imaclown.1628:

if it’s a lockdown mesmer you are dead. It’s a true hardcounter to any necro.
…
No chance vs lockdown Unless they are just really bad.

Up until reading this I wasn’t even aware of any type of mesmer being considered a serious threat to necros.

Rym already said everything there is to fighting mesmers 1v1, regardless of what build they are using. (except I wouldn’t use Flesh Wurm)
If you have decent life force regeneration and Shroud timing you’re definitely holding better cards than any mesmer opponent.

I’ve messed around with a particular mesmer enough and I think the lockdown mesmer is a rarer breed everyone is either pu, standard shatter, double range shatter or my new favorite double range cele shatter. I can usually win against a traditional shatter,cele shatter and PU. Lockdown and double range shatter are much much harder if the mesmer is decent. Lockdown significantly harder.

I’m not talking about a mesmer that’s going to actually try and take a point from you or hold one.

I’m interested in what builds you are both playing or apparently everyone in the Necro community is playing that make a high dps range class with ports not a threat.

Rym.1469:

If we’re talking about 1v1…

Secure your heal by fearing the opponent first, LoSing him, porting with Wurm. If you’re using this on an open field, with mesmer at his full capability, yes you’ll get interrupted a lot. Play smart.

The mesmer you’re talking about is a relic shatter mesmer. Couple tips from me:

If you get Immobilized, hop into Shroud straight away. If you’ve equipped Weakning Shroud trait, you should hit the mesmer and weaken him b4 the combo starts. Retaliation from either Unholy Feast (with Mesmer you will easily maintain almost 100% Retaliation boon uptime if you Feast smart) or Spiteful Spirit from entering DS will hurt him quite badly with Frenzy hits. Most Mesmers don’t shatter b4 frenzy ends, so he should eat up whoole retaliation.

Focus on dodging iZerker and Mirrored Blade (flying GS). You can predict when the shatter combo occurs, but it’s mostly deduction and you can miss. So unless you feel cozy with it, keep dodging those 2 skills, it will really hurt his damage. If you can’t attack him for some reason, focus iDuellist (pistols).

Be quite aggressive, your channeled Axe #2 with procs can hit the mesmer through stealth and eat 30-60% of hp alone.

Well build is also kind of bad for any 1v1. Corrupt Boon, Spectral Armor, Wurm -> these utilities are universal Necro choice of mine for almost any kind of PvP. And they hurt, good Corrupt Boon on a mesmer, especially one using stuff, can be a shutdown.

Ah. Locust Swarm works wonders against any Mesmer.

Pretty sure he is talking about lockdown mesmer not shatter mesmer. They are different. We have a chance agaisnt shatter mesmer. No chance vs lockdown Unless they are just really bad.

unlucky.9285:

rseqw.9706:

call your team or run away. also take spinal shivers

i will never get the mesmer low enough for it to proc so it makes no difference plus i usually do take spinal shivers when i was using dagger warhorn and never really noticed it go off or change the fight in any way.

with the axe buff i get a burst every 6 seconds and 10% damage .. it really does wreak havoc when i jump down in the middle of a fight usually taking out at least one person straight away after forcing dodges with wells

i usually run into these mesmers when i need to go take a point of interest like kill savanir or on my way to a fight if i get killed

PU you can beat, if it’s a lockdown mesmer you are dead. It’s a true hardcounter to any necro. Good thing they are rare. I have the same problem with panic strike theives.

nekretaal.6485:

Hes basically right tho.

Until the serge gets so big that the soup covers everything, and then the necromancer ability to AoE while moving, and the high HP, the ranged damage from wells, and the non-capped fear wall make you very useful in the Zerg. And that’s before you hit your tanky blind & chill spam mode.

So necromancers are part of GWEN, great in zergplay.

Pvp — no mobility
PvE — no utility for the team or reflects

It’s interesting the tone of the last update. given that necromancers have been wishing for mobility and utility, anet responded by saying "your mobility is locust, and your utility is signet of undeath. It was kind of a screw you.

ummm no they didn’t say that was mobility and that is utility they were simply buffing kitten utilities. (I assume you mean sol which was kitten is kitten and will continue to be kitten even after patch)

Trying using wurm and swalk in pvp and tell me we aren’t mobile or try a spectral zerker necro with swalk and warhorn and wurm.

Pve we are kitten compared to other classes.

Soon the wrecking ball that is zerker necro will rule all.

Incoming ranger necro meta!

Sorel.4870:

The biggest problem is that GW2 pvp is incredibly difficult to understand, and there’s no definite important moments. When you watch a football match, you take a sip of beer when the ball is in the middle of the field, and then get very excited when it gets close to the cages. In MOBAS, there is these weird PvE phases where basically nothing happens.

In GW2, the game is won using complex rotations, and fights are always happening on 2 or 3 points, making it impossible to follow the entire action. Plus, every class has mechanics that are so specific that you just can’t understand what’s happening unless you already play pvp as a decent level. GW2 is esport, but if LoL is football, GW2 is cricket.

not cricket. I would say hockey or lacrosse due to rotation knowledge and contact.

Tao.5096:

Exedore.6320:

Tao.5096:

Elite player spotted.

Bad player spotted.

You have proved that you got kitten over it.
Poor choice of words

Exedore.6320:

Maybe I am a little elitist. But the truth is that some build choices just aren’t that good as others. Poor build choices go hand-in-hand with poor gameplay decisions. Minion master necros are supposed to guard points. I rarely see one do that; they fight in the open.

Now that’s quite funny.

In your opinion Minion master build is a poor build because it’s mostly picked by inexperienced players who can’t use it properly.
Wait a second.
Doesn’t that mean that problem alone lie within player’s ability to use it?

So, how does players inability to play it properly make builds poor and good?
Does it mean that META builds are the ones, that are the most “effective” because it’s fine even when you spam random skills?
Just like Hambow?

Just…wow

You are wrong here. Hambow has a niche. MM doesn’t have one so people try to force them into one and it typically fails unless the player is pretty special already in which case he would have been better off playing a different build anyway.

That being said players shouldn’t be punished for wanting to play what they want to play…. but the same goes for competetive players shouldn’t be punished by being stuck with players who are using awful builds….. but that’s in a perfect world…. and it seems there are some players who think that’s possible….. it’s not.

L2power wells necro.

Zaxares.5419:

Not all attributes are created equal. The combination of some stats with certain builds means that certain amulets can be far more potent for burst builds vs bunkers etc. Outside of certain meta builds, Celestial stats actually handicap players more than they benefit them due to a lack of raw damage output that players that focus on pure offense have. (Case in point, why do you think the zerker meta is the most powerful one in PvE?)

Right compare it with pvp, I bet if they made pve more fighting and less stack in one spot and press 1 the other stats would mean something. Part of the thing that makes pvp the superior game mode to play is the variety of builds that are meta not just zerker everything.

Most of the people complaining now we’re the same people complaining about being matched against premades when soloqing. But I bet that matchmaking cared more about mmr, the new one weighs parties heavier now they are getting matched against better players because they formed a group. This. Is. Awesomeness.

Bet you want it to weigh mmr more again dont ya.

I’m not saying I would hate it if they gave all amulets the same points. But hard troll.

One duo and one trio without voice comms is the same as a pug, if you think differently you’ve never played on a true premade.

Sorel.4870:

Kharr.5746:

displacedTitan.6897:

I only play solo and the MM is actually pretty solid. I wish it would show you after the match who joined together like it does in DOTA2. It would shut the whiners up who blame “premades” for their personal failure to play properly or well.

At the start of the match, right click the players on the other team to see if they are in a party. If they are, it will say “join party” since they have a premade. If they’re not, it will say “invite to party”. You can do this from the scoreboard during the waiting period.

It’s not rocket science to see.

And how do you tell if they are a premade or a duo and a trio?

You wouldn’t be able to tell of it was one duo and one trio tbh.

rainbow.4695:

imaclown.1628:

Justin ODell.9517:

rainbow.4695:

Is as simple as that….for solo players like myself is very frustrating to go against premade teams , why you ever though that this would be fun or fair…..

I couldn’t find any game data for you in the last week. Do you play on another account?

I LOVE WHEN YOU DO THIS!!!
If you decide to come to pax east your drinks are free at any bar near the convention center!

what are you saying , I don’t get it

Sureeeee you dont.

Yes a second acct matters he was going to look for problems in your matchmaking since you are complaining about it.