Guild Wars 2

MarkPhilips.5169:

The W/L ratio of this guy means:

- He plays with a very strong team, and his team won every matches.

How many times this guy (and his team) was matched against the other strongest team NA in ranked matches? Probably very few or never, or it would be impossible to not lose a single match.

Is it a matchkaming failure? It depends, maybe yes or not but in this scenario, probably only one or two teams can compete with his team and if they are not online at the same time, matchmaking can’t do nothing.

This is only to say w/l is not the best indicator to show if a guy/team is better than other.

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

This guy and his team, having a super high mmr go in the best league (for example diamond) and compete with people of similar skill level (in leaderboard, in game they could face people of other leagues if matchmaking can’t prioritize their league for different reasons ). At the end, probably backpack (and his team) will be in top10 and probably they deserve to be there. A cap is imho necessary to contain the extreme grinding about player can play more than X games every day (5 in this case) and to keep a “fair” competition (speaking about number of matches).

In general with a cap i mean people can play after they reach the season cap but their extra matches don’t count for the leaderboard (they can get progress for ingame rewards like pvp tracks and achievements).

Except he actually is punished due to his high mmr. It expects him to win so he gets the minimum amount of points when he wins, technically the player who can maintain a very high mmr will probably never see the top of these leaderboards.

Xillllix.3485:

NeXeD.3042:

The defense for not bringing it back ever was the wanted to focus on other game modes…….

You mean the other PvP game modes we’ve never seen or PvE Living Story?

Just take a look at that link harbinger put up.

Neither of them are cheap lol, but as we have determined already strength would not be very optimal for his build, aristocracy would work if you wanted to go the might route.

And derailed my work here is done! BTW I’m a necro and I kittening hate engis.

kokiman.2364:

hihey.1075:

kokiman.2364:

You can basically admit that you exploit a certain mechanic and won’t even get banned?

It was pretty clear from basically every GW2 stream that any “high-level” DD Ele uses the stow weapon trick.

Still, I can easily point out who macros it and who doesn’t. Very few people DO NOT macro it actually. And I think this is an even better reason to look into it.
I don’t think increasing the cast time of Lighting Whip would be a bad thing to do honestly. This way, even if you stow weapons you won’t be able to get the double proc of Signet of Restoration. Watching D/D Eles going back to FULL HP in 4seconds after tanking a crit, Steal+Backstab combo is just ridiculous.

#balance #esports

This is the point where I think A.net should actually banhammer them into oblivion. This is clearly a macro to gain a gameplay advantage over other players, no reason to argue about that I think. And “everyone does it lol” isn’t an excuse for macroing and exploiting broken mechanics.
But knowing A.net and the way they handle things they either won’t do anything or just give them a slap on the wrist.

Because “pls dont leave us, we really esports now :c”

I can do it without a macro very very consistently, is it ok for those that can do it without macroing? Or are you under the impression it requirks a macro? Also exactly how much extra hp do you honestly think this trick gives?

I can also do it with necro axe 1 and mesmer gs 1 and I’m pretty sure there are some other occasions where I can utilize this all without macros.

Lol at people who think lightning whip is how eles go back to full life after being redlined. Clearly don’t know how to ele.

Jade Arkadian.9280:

I’ve read each post since my last, but well, i will trying to do an overall reply.

For those who say “Get a thicker skin”, “Deal with it”,“Rudeness is part of the game”,“They deserve it for doing ranked” or defend in any way toxic behaviour against certain players, you should know the following:

According to Guild Wars 2 Rules of Conducts (click here to take a look) and refering to the text on point 1:

The rules of conduct

1. While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated

The point is that you are defending and excusing something that goes against the RoC.

Also let me say that this is not really the harsh language , but about the will to harass and hurt from others, and that may extend not only to insults and harassing, but also to AFK and losing on purpose.

So… if their behaviour is against the RoC.. why should I turn off my chat? No, the problem is on their side, and their should hold their tongues if they know what’s convenient for them because each time you insult a player, you are a step closer to the ban hammer.

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tsawr.7905:

My enjoyment of the game has totally been ruined by toxic players that send insults after insults at me over the interwebs over a vidya game. Anet should totally ban all these immature toxic players, so that I can continue playing GW2 in a family friendly setting, so that all my matches are full of nice carebears.

Solstice.1097:

Too much whining. “Rudeness” cannot be policed or enforced without completely removing chat from the game, is that what you want? They don’t like the way you play, and you don’t like they way they talk. Too bad. If you want to teach people manners go volunteer to work with orphans or something.

I hear Hello Kitty Island Adventures is on sale.

Don’t get it wrong: Being respectful to others has nothing to do with Hello Kitty, ponys or fluffy bears.

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That’s an extreme case of harrasing. If I had been harassed that way, I would not only reported in game and blocked the guy, but also raised a ticket just to make sure it is reviewed. That sort of players are extremely toxic regardless the game you play.

I’d suggest to edit that pic to censor the names since the forums are not a place to point at specific players

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And I rage too sometimes at home, but I hold myself because i know it’s rude, unnecessarily and useless . Banging your keyboards to show off how bad they are, insult them in anyway and finally send them back to PvE or whatever it’s just destructive ranting that won’t simply change anything but worsening things.

As I previously said, it’s not worth the effort since you will be:
- Flammed back
- Be blocked
- Report you (even if it doesnt do nothing apparently, being repeatedly reported by different users may eventually draw the attention of a GM)

Like I said before I don’t support flamers, but I think self righteous complainers are just as bad. Ignore it and play the game. If you cant do that, if what someone else on the internet bothers you so much then Internet gaming is not for you. You can try to be the white knight spouting off the games rules but anet would lose almost half it’s player base if everyone that has ever flamed got banned. This isn’t a game made just for you and your friends to play and get along its a money making endeavor for a business. Keep that in mind.

Just ignore the flamers just ignore.

If I jack up my MMR by winning a ton of unranked games is it the same as my ranked mmr and vice versa?

Flumek.9043:

imaclown.1628:

You can keep writing this stuff all you want but ultimately the whole point of what your doing is mathematically trying to prove engi is op, while ignoring tons of other variables. It works for players because it’s ok for some players to be overpowered because they are just better.

Thats not the point.

The great idea here is , that the system is adapting its own metrics to current situation.

We said at start, oh 2x thief vs 2x ele stacking is vastly different and ofc they answered us back: “well we cant always rewrite the system every day the meta changes”

This would mean the devs dont need to care about current meta.
Is ele/engie 20% more OP ?
ok, then lets expect and demand from them to win 20% more often, if not they get the regular minus points.

Seems incredibly unfair to punish someone or reward someone for their choice of proffesion.

Also I find it unlikely the pvp dev isn’t aware of what the current meta is. There are lots of other ways to change or “fix” the meta without punishing or rewarding people for playing certain professions especially considering class stacking isn’t the players fault (usually) and the fact we can’t change classes without losing altogether.

In courtyard I would have engaged until they dropped them all then ran away while supporting my teammates to run away and force them to engage us without the turrets or destroy them to engage us. There is so much Los kitten you can do in courtyard.

You can keep writing this stuff all you want but ultimately the whole point of what your doing is mathematically trying to prove engi is op, while ignoring tons of other variables. It works for players because it’s ok for some players to be overpowered because they are just better.

The best part about pvp is when your on a necro and your opponent thinks that are about to win the fight and then suddenly I swap to ds and 2 shot them.

Yeah NeXeD.3042 is my regular acct but it’s been heavily infracted lately so it’s difficult to post on forums with it. I made this acct because I wanted to learn how to play engi and didn’t feel like deleting a character or adding character slots so I just bought the game again =)

If I’m solo and I see my team go for svanir and I’m on my necro I don’t go for boss, I still go to mid I’m just very careful not to get pulled off or if I notice the other teams boss moving I might poke down there to see if I can steal it.

Jack Angelfoot.2697:

Mates, this is all perspective.

On Flamers
There is no reason to defend flamers. Flamers are simply small minded people who use the perceived anonymity of the internet to be verbally abusive. I have witnessed people engage in verbal bullying, racial slurs, and ridiculously nasty behavior on GW2. Nobody “deserves” that type of treatment, no matter how badly or inattentively they play a game. This is not a debate, this is a fact. If you disagree with me here, it is because you lack perspective. Get some perspective or quit playing this game. As for the rage quitters and rage AFKers? The Dishonor system will deal with them when it is finished.

On Sensitives
Mates, no matter what you do there is no way to get rid of all verbally abusive people. It is a symptom of: the perceived anonymity of the Internet, a general world-wide lack of moral education, and childishness of alpha-nerds. But that crap cannot be totally removed. ArenaNet has a Report function for dealing with people who are legitimately abusive. Use it. They actually do take reports seriously, just look at all the angry whiners on the forums who are whining about being banned. Boohoo.

But there is a second part of this, too. Don’t let someone else ruin your game. Your attitude is your own, not theirs. If they scream at you, imagine their mother yelling down at them “Johny, are you playing that devil-game again? Quit-yer whining or I’ll come down there and take it away again.” It’s probably a more accurate reflection of their existence than they will ever admit. Then shrug and still be polite to the people around you.

Conclusion
In the words of Dean Winchester, “Don’t be a duche.” And when other people are, report them if it is bad enough and otherwise, shrug your shoulders. Their temper tantrum is certainly not worth ruining your game time over.

This guy also seems to get it.

Ok fair enough, yep NeXeD had been my “handle” since like 2000, especially on ultima online.

Although the guild tag thing I’ve ended up on the same team as players from guilds that I am a part of just by accident so even that’s not 100% sure all the time.

Exed how do you know they are premades?

Rangelost.4857:

imaclown.1628:

Wow. I know you think you are being the bigger man or something here but you come off as worse than the flamers here. There are such thing as bad players, as well as bad attitudes.

In all fairness, people who are unable to be socially decent shouldn’t be tolerated. At the end of the day, a game is meant to be fun. Between someone who sucks at the game, and a skilled player who intentionally loses to spite other people, I would gladly pick the newbie. At least they have a chance at becoming something more than a tool.

I’m not saying I support the flamers, but I don’t support the people who can’t take it either, to me they are both just as bad.

I wouldn’t want either on my team.

Slim.3024:

NeXeD.3042:

Slim.3024:

imaclown.1628:

Ooooh yes this would be interesting….. almost as interesting as finding sneaky new ways to call engi op on the forums.

Why are you so concerned with what people call OP on the forums, if I may ask?

I’d really like to see how much my experience differs from others’. We are using the new matchmaking system to get even matches and predictions are cast by the same system to allocate points towards the leaderboards, thus my point is very valid. As soon as you can determine a factor that influences the outcome of matches in a significant way, regardless of what it may be, the factor can and should be used to adjust the matchmaking and the predictions.

Now you could argue that adjusting the system to account for a particular class is not the right way to go, because it may or may not change constantly. Though it is better than not accounting for it at all, if it impacts the system considerably.

Everything you said could be legitimate. Or it could just be a sneaky way of saying engis are op. If you were to go as far as looking at the win percentage with engis I would also request looking at the teams the engis faced…. since that comp would matter as well seeing how this game has hard and soft counters…. well I guess you would have to look even more into it…. you would have to go all the way into builds since it’s really the builds that counter each other not the class.

As long as you look at a large sample size, all that should not matter. If having more engineers on your team than the other directly relates to the win rate, then that in itself is a significant fact that has to be accounted for.

What can be done as a follow up is to look at each class in the same way and check if having a superior number of class x, y or z has the same or similar impact on the win rate.

No it wouldn’t builds matter. Builds counter builds, not classes. This is what I’m trying to tell you. You yourself said you lose more when playing against teams with more engineers than your team. You are trying to say engis are OP in a sneaky way, it’s kind of smart but I know what your doing. Since your doing it that way the real way to do it would be to find out the builds on all teams not just classes. But that wouldn’t support your engi OP case you don’t like it as much as your original idea. Another thing you could do is separate the win loss of classes into mmr divisions since in lower mmr divisions turret engis are going to absolutely dominate compared to higher mmr divisions where turret engis are fodder, yet celestial engis are more prevalent.

tsawr.7905:

My enjoyment of the game has totally been ruined by toxic players that send insults after insults at me over the interwebs over a vidya game. Anet should totally ban all these immature toxic players, so that I can continue playing GW2 in a family friendly setting, so that all my matches are full of nice carebears.

This guy gets it lol.

penelopehannibal.8947:

I’ve been in discussions about this in Heart of the Mists a few times. Once I was blamed for losing a match, just because I was a ranger, and it was the day of Daily Ranger Win – even though I play only Ranger every day in Unranked match.

I was told in Heart of the Mists “You have to have a thick skin in PvP. If you can’t handle a bit of flaming in PvP then you shouldn’t be playing PvP”

My reply was “No – if people can’t lose a PvP match without being verbally abusive to other players, it is them who shouldn’t be playing PvP, not me”

If people have to go AFK, saying stuff like “You deserve that I go AFK” it is actually them being the ‘noob’ or a ‘scrub’ or whatever word they like to use that’s fashionable at the moment, and they are just trying to shift the blame away from them.

Edit: To include the smile at the end.

Wow. I know you think you are being the bigger man or something here but you come off as worse than the flamers here. There are such thing as bad players, as well as bad attitudes.

You do need thick skin if you want to pvp and that goes for ANY game not just gw2. You can say "no no no we should all get along and hold hands and play sing a longs or whatever but you can’t control that, what you can control is how you react to the flamers.

Kilger.5490:

NeXeD.3042:

If you want condi 0/6/4/0/4 carrion scepter dagger frailty energy sigils staff geomancy energy sigils. Utils are corrupt boon, flesh wurm, spectral walk. CC is your heal, plague form is elite. Nightmare runes.

If you want power 4/4/0/0/6 is my favorite for power d/w air fire sigils, staff energy generosity sigils zerk utilities well of power spectral armor spectral walk. CC is your heal lich is your elite. Runes of the pack

Been trying out necro again after a year of maining ranger. I’ve been trying something like your second spec (except 0/3/5/0/6 for more defense) but I keep finding that I get swarmed and barely time to get any momentum often. Very different from melee ranger with lots of evade options.

What are some tricks you use to keep everyone off your back? I just feel like I get swarmed constantly, although its getting better with more familiarity. Also I recall some necros that seem to be able to stand there and just take a beating, cant seem to come up with a spec like that, even with 2100 toughness.

Also, does dark armor do anything?? I try channelling but tough never seems to go up!

Dark armor works just doesn’t show on the stats for some reason.

My build isn’t a tanky build, it’s a damage berserker pvp build that relies on air fire sigils with dagger warhorn for most of its damage and lf regen, while using ds as a defensive mechanic that can keep offensive pressure, and can maintain ds for a long period of time due to spectrals. WoP is because I opted for warhorn instead of dagger so not only can I deal with condis better but I’m usually licking my chops when someone condi bombs me. I guess it’s tanky for a zerker build but it’s really a damage build.

Gobble D Goop.4081:

when i start a game and see 4 dragon ranks smashing my pitiful rank 29 self, that is my last game for the day…

You could do that, or you could say “yes I have the opportunity to play with more experienced players perhaps I can learn something”

What if a 4v5 just gives everyone the minimum amount of points that a win would get. Basically everytime there is a 4v5 it’s a +1 to everyone while not counting in win loss column. This makes everyone happy I think?

Yes it’s broken I’ve played 17 games and won 16 of them.

Ooooh yes this would be interesting….. almost as interesting as finding sneaky new ways to call engi op on the forums.

It would be nice if this worked but most of the people are just going to post bad matches and qq about matchmaking rather than give you honest answers =(

Most of the people think they are playing premades with voice comms etc when in reality they are just playing pugs. But it’s easier to blame voice coms and matchmaking than to, “get good soon.”

Pretty sure the 4v5s are a problem he is well aware of, probably doesn’t need 25 topics a day about them.

Make the bad people stop yelling at me it’s not my fAult everytime I q up I have to play abjured everytime ohhh woeee is meeee woeeee is meee

Don’t listen to the rune haters, but strenght wouldn’t be optimal for a condi build like yours anyway.

hihey.1075:

On point, I think the Engi would win. Worst case scenario he will decap the point.

I dunno he would get decaps but engis got a better chance if he can keep him moving. If engis has to stay still without moving off point he’s going to stay on point he’s gonna eat more damage than the ele. Against each other you might want an engi since the fight will go long enough for it to get reinforcements and it has the better chance at getting a decap.

xantosnightwish.5438:

imaclown.1628:

I was also surprised at a few points in the dod vs abjured, I would say dod should look into replacing two of their members…. one of them in particular just didn’t look like he was having the best night.

With that said TCG looked better, their comp gets so many kills but gets beat out because of conquest. But abjured looked ridiculous absolutely ridiculous no way anyone beats them.

Id personally disagree specifically in regards to replacing members on DoD. I think too many teams lose 1 high profile match and then shake things up way too fast instead of practicing more together and trying to develop chemistry. What makes TCG and Abjured so dominant is the fact that their rosters have played together in some capacity for a long time. I heard DoD didn’t get much practice time due to some players being busy during the holidays. That might explain why some players looked rusty when playing against one of the best teams in the world atm.

In terms of the TCG vs Abjured debate, we’ll have to see. TCG seems to be facing tougher competition from 55HP and CM then what Abjured has faced thus far. Looking forward to watching the NA and EU casts this sunday!

I know what your saying about the chemistry but really TCG is the only team that’s been playing together for an extended period of time. When you look at NA those top 3 teams all have players that have competed, played, or practiced with each other a lot.

Depends on who hits with ccs I think

Having near to death can be useful in wvw, even if he’s not just flashing it, ds builds so quick in wvw it will likely be full everytime it’s off cooldown.

Yeah I really don’t understand why everyone cuts him, seems to me like he is one of the best engis I’ve seen.

What exactly is this signet of corruption?

Jelzouki.4128:

imaclown.1628:

I believe you are projecting your own struggles as a necromancer onto others.

No actually it’s just speculation from watching their streams all the time. I don’t struggle while playing terrormancer, but just as a terrormancer counters an engineer, a thief-mesmer comp will counter a necromancer way too easily.

So two classes to counter one? Sounds like a win for abjured to me….

Two of the players on your team were new to the class they were using right there…. the class based MMR isn’t in place yet (correct me if I’m wrong) so they’re mmr may have been higher because they usually use a different class so they had the same high mmr except they decided to use a class they barely use. Also just because he is higher on the leaderboards doesn’t mean kitten, sure he had a decent win loss but yours is still above 50%…. seems like match making doing its job.

I believe you are projecting your own struggles as a necromancer onto others.

I was also surprised at a few points in the dod vs abjured, I would say dod should look into replacing two of their members…. one of them in particular just didn’t look like he was having the best night.

With that said TCG looked better, their comp gets so many kills but gets beat out because of conquest. But abjured looked ridiculous absolutely ridiculous no way anyone beats them.

Luke.4562:

Roe.3679:

Luke.4562:

Guild Wars universe has been ruined by GemWars2, what everyone doesn’t understand is that the policy won’t change.
This game has been ruined for 2-3 years and it won’t get better.

They demonstrated it multiple times, they won’t repair broken features, they will just submerge them with other empty features. Hiding the dirt under the carpet.

It lives and earn REAL MONEY (with the least effort) on farm-addicted people and on the hope Dreams of GW1 real fans.

Vacation? Stop wasting time here, your life is precious, this is the worst way of wasting it.

Perhaps follow your own advice and stop lurking on the forums of a game you clearly dislike? I mean the irony is so thick it makes your post difficult to see.

Aknowledging reality hurts, doesn’t?
Don’t even answer, I’m simply not interested in your hopinion. Nor I have to justify myself with a Guild Wars 2 Fanboy.

Reality? I thought this was a game….. mind = blown.

I know right you wouldn’t want to be one of those players lightning whipping for an extra 241 hp every minute or so.

Yes this is true in fact having a higher MMR can almost penalize you on this leaderboard.

Laserbolt.6731:

No, I don’t make that many posts about leaderboards. You’ll have to count them to be more more accurate.

I am interested in the matchmaking and I enjoy discussing it. But you’d have to count those.

I’m not going to go through you post history but anyone whose been following these boards for the past few weeks knows what I’m talking about.

I could have sworn I saw a gs warrior or two in the recent go gw2 cup thingy

imaclown.1628:

Laserbolt.6731:

imaclown.1628:

None of that is relevant. Some people have more free time than others, oeggs has made a decent amount of money playing this game. I’m going to hazard a guess that he enjoys it as well.

Why are you so curious?

imaclown,

Actually, I am wondering why you are so adamant that this not be discussed. You seem quite judgmental about me even bringing it up.

The only judgement I have made is that you seem to care too much about the leaderboards. But that is only because you post 5-10 posts everyday complaining about the leaderboards

Other than that it seemed as though you were judging other players for playing to much questioning wether it effected their job, family etc. While covering yourself with the old “just asking”

Better now?

Laserbolt.6731:

imaclown.1628:

The only judgement I have made is that you seem to care too much about the leaderboards. But that is only because you post 1 or 3 new topics everyday with a “new” leaderboard problem.

Other than that it seemed as though you were judging other players for playing to much questioning wether it effected their job, family etc. While covering yourself with the old “just asking”

1) Look at the PvP forum and see how many new topics about the Leaderboard I have started in the past 2 weeks. (Look at the Author column).

How many was it?

2) I don’t criticize anyone for doing anything that makes them happy without hurting others, or themselves.

Do I get to include your other account?

Laserbolt.6731:

imaclown.1628:

None of that is relevant. Some people have more free time than others, oeggs has made a decent amount of money playing this game. I’m going to hazard a guess that he enjoys it as well.

Why are you so curious?

imaclown,

Actually, I am wondering why you are so adamant that this not be discussed. You seem quite judgmental about me even bringing it up.

The only judgement I have made is that you seem to care too much about the leaderboards. But that is only because you post 1 or 3 new topics everyday with a “new” leaderboard problem.

Other than that it seemed as though you were judging other players for playing to much questioning wether it effected their job, family etc. While covering yourself with the old “just asking”

Or you just need to wait for the meta to shift so a build you like becomes viable, but what I noticed with myself is when I was inexperienced I liked bad builds lol once I got some experience the builds I started using become closer to “meta”

The mmrs probably didn’t match as well maybe that gave the 2 1 1 1 team a much higher mmr since the 2 and 1s have higher mmr than the 3 group so matching the two highest with the 3 lowest made the most even match. Do you understand that?

I thought the complainers would die down eventually but some of them are pretty darn stubborn. Hopefully people will start quitting or at least stop posting once they realize the futility of their complaints.