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salty. if you think regen is better than init traits/skills than you really should think a lil harder. even if you had 1.5 init per second its not as useful as having initiative gain skills/traits bc u need them on command to finish enemies or escape or to go stealthed. having initiative on command is a NECCESSITY for thief. not a luxury.
Isn’t that one of their reasons for nerfing, the fact that it’s a “necessity” to be using skills/traits that give init.
You know if they nerf them so much that it’s relatively useless to take those skills/traits… then we don’t have to, and that promotes build diversity!
u missed the point. its a neccesity bc we need to have a FAST gain. not a fast regen. for emergencies and finishing. low hp low armor no block no invuln no protection no aegis …. its a neccessity. this init nerf is making it worse. its taking the control from the players and making it passive not to mention for an overall loss.
p.s. I was being semi-saracastic on saying nerf something to promote build diversity because that nerfed something is now useless… pretty soon we will be running the famous reroll-to-warrior build or the bother of that build reroll-to-guardian build.
The Dec. 10th changes seem reasonable for the reasons listed, but my thief still seems like it has a ton of problems which have not ever been addressed.
…Don’t hold your breath, just use the reroll-to-warrior build.
agreed i did rolled a warrior when jon posted
TLDR; Thieves with 15+ in critical strikes and no other initiative traits will be slightly less efficient. All other thieves will be equally or more efficient.
Ive been running d/p glass since day 1 lol 25/30/0/0/15 now that my build will be less efficient when its already takes a lot of game play time and skill to be able to fight groups with out having that perma stealth option and house cause ur an easy target for aoe and ur only stealth skill is heal cause 5,2 cost way too much ini when ur not traited in SA for ini back on HS. They pretty much leave u with limited options in the end. Go warrior or P/x … i did both
6%toughness to condi dmg putting that out there … 5% vit to condi dmg … all on the same food … just putting that out there
and yes this is me being a troll cause i thought it was funny
There’s a reason the warrior is getting nerfed on december 10th.
Mostly because complaining about something on a forum is much easier than actually learning the game mechanics and how to counter whatever you are facing.
2-3k earthshakers that your average ham warrior puts out in WvW is pretty ignorable by itself. For anyone specced to hit harder, then it’s a simple matter of countering it with the knowledge that they specced for dmg (primarily reliant on an earthshaker-->backbreaker —> staggering blow --> follow up attacks routine) at the expense of some survivability. If you’re repeatedly getting hit by the most common intiatior, earthshaker, one of the most telegraphed and delayed abilities in the game, it’s time to bind your dodge key to your keyboard or press your blink/blind/evade/invuln/stab/block ability (pick one) and recognize you need to press it when the war stops, brings the hammer behind his head, and awkwardly leaps forward. Unlike many other instant-cast ranged abilities in the game, ES can actually be countered before you’re even hit by it through proper animation recognition and timely skill response. Now it’s on a min 7s CD and they’re stuck with melee weapon in hand vulnerable to kited ranged damage.
The most frustrating thing about this is the nerf is that it is catering to a lower-skillset playerbase that refused to learn the proper counter the the ability, the result of which will open up a gap between war and other classes at higher-level play.
-dT[AoN]
someone has been roaming in the thief forums too much we have to deal with nerfs because of “lower-skillset playerbase that refused to learn the proper counter the the ability” welcome to the club and this is a soft nerf for ur class lol
imma have to try out carrion set to see which one works better thnx for the input its given me some new ideas
p/d with the rights runes and sigils is an amazing build to play. its easy but hard to master/play well in a competitive setting.
P/D P/D Sigil of Energy on Pistols. Sigil of Corruption. Sigil of Agony.
10 0 30 0 30
Mug
Cloaked in Shadow, Shadows Embrace, Shadow’s Rejuvenation
Long Reach, Ricochet/Bountiful Theft, Sleight of Hand2 Krait 2 Centaur 2 Afflicted (runes) or 6 Torment runes
Full carrion armor and full carrion weapons.
Hide in Shadow
Scorpion Wire/Shadow Step/Caltrops (depends on situation)
Blinding Powder
Shadows refuge
Daggerstorm/Thieves GuildRock n Roll
IMO carrion isnt as useful now that dire is available since power doesn’t scale your condi damage. Better off having higher armor because the direct damage is more or less laughable.
dire is better defense. but the defense is already superb. dont need more. need power for poison dmg. and direct dmg. some classes have -65% condi removal time so youneed to have 1100 dmg on sneak attacks etc. it really adds up! even burst thieves dont make me fret. takes 3-4 good crit backstabs to take down this build.
Power doesn’t make poison damage any better. Might is the only thing that effects your condi damage that also adds power. Power is a wasted stat. Most dont run -65% condi duration and thats limited to certain classes/builds. Toughness on the other hand is absolutely not a wasted stat.
went in with testing conditions ….. the difference between direct dmg is 100%. that is carrion deals 100% MORE than dire. guess power isnt as wasted a stat as you claim. now if we dothe math …which i wont bc its 2am now…but i can tommorow if u like. the extra toughness …few hundred or w.e. it is…. only realistically saves you hundreds of hp? 400? 600? 700? over a 1 v 1 fight i mean. 100% dmg or save 3-4% of your HP during a fight from ever being taken. thats the way it should be looked at. no which ever you choose is truly up to you…. and again i can do the exact math using the toughness formula if you TRULY want to know but if u know how toughness works….its never really worth taking over HP stat. its quite minor. trust me i bought rabid and apothecary just to try it out. wasnt impressed. lost way to much attack and fights take too long and didnt really notice much of an HP change. very experienced thief here so if i couldnt tell the hp % change than its just not a stat i found worth taking. hope u found this informative
i also don’t kno the exact numbers right now but it helps with the food! also dire gives u health and toughness with condi dmg so ur just giving ur self more time in a fight to let the condi’s do there job against tanky high health classes
Ive found that going with Dire runes and getting ur duration from food alone (which i get 40-50%) is enough to keep guardians down; longer fight but with flawless game play u always win in the end. With warriors ur gonna need a lot of poison because they shed it off like a boss! You need it to stop there healing signet or else u will lose against an experienced warrior in the long run.
right. but dire runes? u mean gear i think right? dire issuch a hit to your power. its basically cutting direct dmg in half or more. thats many thousands of HP per duel. you need more than bleeds to win a fight against a good player. i run carrion. between by blinds , invis , healing , condi removal, and +300 toughness and healing power, and 19k hp, do you really need to drop power on your gear to get extra toughness?
True i have thought about this for a while now and i have not tried carrion yet. With the points into toughness it does help with the food i use (Potent Master tuning crystals condi dmg = to 6% toughness and condi dmg = to 4% vit) because i figure if ur gonna go condi might as well go all in lol. Im running with 2,064 condi dmg thats with 25 stacks from sigil of corruption and 40% duration from veggie pizza. The toughness helps though especially when u run into a group of ele’s and warriors all trying to kill you with aoe and burning everywhere lol
P.S. I would have gone for more condi duration but everyone runes with set ups to shed them like nothing thing so i also took that into account.
ive run into these -% condi players. annoying but i still win. i have about 900-1200 direct dmg on sneak attack. its not much and even if the bleeds only last 4 secs thats still 3500 total dmg between both or whatever. it really adds up. especially between auto attacks and shadow strike torment…. there are so many condis on a person that they just cant target them all. in the first 1 second of combat…my opponent has this on him…
IN THIS ORDER——-
poison 1 stack (20 seconds or so)
stun 1.25 seconds
vulnerability 3 stacks
blindness 1 stack
bleeding 7 stacks
torment 2 stacksi run about 90% additional condition time and have about 4 initiative left after this combo hits from 1500 range away and in only about 1 second. after that a few auto attacks…dodges…..if he gets too close shadow strike again or body shot for an ADDITIONAL condition (immobilize)
now you say the 2 damaging conditions are added last so they will get removed first. well thats fine bc they are also the easiest to add back on …. Hide in shadows, shadow refuge, blinding powder, scorp wire etc. its the POISON that you really want to keep on the enemy. i have sleight of hand for extra coodlown….heals with mug…dmg with mug… and most importantly 100% uptime on poison every 20 secs renewed if they dont remove it. its alot to keep up with for an opponent.
right me too i run 10/0/30/0/30 so i also put all of those on one target with steal + 2 skill + 3 skill and the 1 skill out of invis and some times i like to start with short bow and save steal poison for safe keeping on top on the chill from utilities i just trade ur base dmg for more toughness and more condi dmg its fun! Ill have to try out your build and see if giving up some toughness is worth it
i just think the distance should be shortened cause u can make some ground with that move on a guradian
not bad i run 10,0,30,0,30 with dire set and condi duration food sept i use daggerstorm for groups and large zergs and shadow step for condi’s and escape and and scale venom for tanks its nice just hard to keep condi’s up with out losing toughness from leaving shadow arts and going into power then im more squishy with no blind on stealth, heal on stealth and condi removal on stealth lol its a toss up but love the build!
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If you’re a Charr Thief your reason to live is to creep people out with your beached whale Death Blossom.
i died laughing irl xD
i second that number one troll of the day
i like shadow refuge sept it is an invitation to aoe spam from ele’s and guardians warriors etc lol they wait for and hope u have it when im play against BL and SOR blinding powder is more of a quick situational skill with low cool down i can cycle through to help apply more bleeds and keep them blinded. Im gonna get on and try this build out right now though it sounds interesting ill let u kno how it goes
To me it sounds like most builds are going to end up with MORE Initiative than before, meaning they can completely ignore any additional Initiative regeneration.
I mean buffing passive Initiative generation to 1/Sek. is a MASSIVE buff with unforeseeable consequences, even with nerfs to the trait-regeneration.
As far as I see it, Dagger/Dagger for example won’t even need Infusion of Shadows any more to sustain itself and neither will Pistol/Dagger. Only Dagger/Pistol might end up with a nerf to perma-stealthing.
And while I like the changes overall, I’m not sure if they’re really doing much to improve Venoms or many of the other under-appreciated Thief traits.
The Deadly Arts tree in general could do with a major overhaul, as could many of the passive damage increases. I think that would do more for Thieves than simply altering already popular traits.
right pls fix the deadly arts tree its boring in there venom traits aren’t good enought to bring along with zerker build … well for me atleast bring us something new in deadly arts traits pls
im prob lean towards warrior or mez since both are pretty op
So nerfs are needed for Thieves, but in totally different areas.
Please pitch in and suggest them in their post.
Oof, fair request, but I fear I am not up to it. The skill system has so many details. The general idea would not a nerf, but a CHANGE.
Thieves lose most of the high burst DPS or applying insidious stacks of bleed, and in turn get greater survivability. More like rebuilding the entire class and virtually making the stealth ONLY as a method to escape, not as part of an attack strategy. I would prefer a full rebuild over a mere nerf. Thieves should not be weaker, but different. Less of the overpowering glasscannons which attack from endless stealth.
I see this variant of Thief as a broken idea. The invis-burst-DPS roamer must be eliminated as viable playstyle.
i beleive the class ur looking for is the warrior go roll one this is a theif not a tank
Wow i never thought i would say this but seriously ive invested so much time in my theif its the only class i play ive got 5 different sets of weapons and armor for the 5 builds i run all day ive spent since day one perfecting my theif and have not complained once but this nerf is the last straw im finally gonna have to throw in the towel cause this is just starting to get rediculous im done playing a class just is just gonna keep getting crapped on like this i understand nerf perma stealth but everything rlly all im left with now thats viable is my p/d build
thnx for ruining theif for me anet thnx!
yah dont even get me going about mez they are my number most hated class to face lol popping clones and condi’s while invis like a boss and can invis for sometimes seems like 15 sec just drives me nuts they will eventually get hit with a nerf but not for a while though
so this is a quick link to my build i tried out the more popular 0/0/30/20/20 and it just wasn’t for me so i just threw this together and it works wonders for me in TC wvw i run 1v3’s and 1v5’s alot with this build. I’m open to suggestions though if anyone has anyways i can change this to make it better
my little demon
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i would but i love my server
Hey I am a lvl 80 theif looking for a WvW guild. Ive been playing since day1, and i have been participating in WvW since day 1 as well. I have previous experience in Perfect World for 5+ years, Aion for 3, and Guild Wars for 2 years . I am looking for a experienced that knows what they a doing not just a zerg WvW guild. In PVE i mainly do bosses events and dungeon runs as well for eventually in due time getting my legendary weapons I am on Tarnished Coast server’s eastern time.
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