Guild Wars 2

I was thinking about the issue we all know about outnumbered servers, a commen solution people come up with is “server merger”. Some say this will cause anger to those who have pride in their servers, well i was thinking if instead of simply merging servers, anet created an alliance system.

Say for example there are 3 alliances, in which all servers choose to join. Instead of RealmvsRealmvsRealm it’ll be AlliancevsAlliancevsAlliance, the number of maps for AvAvA would be determined by the calculation on how much players wvw in all servers.

Players will join an alliance, when they play a WvW game they get to choose either T1/T2/T3 map to play on, they would be then placed in their servers chosen alliance. Probably players will be able to choose which Tier they want to wvw in, quing up if it’s full. This seems to me as an esay solution, which players who wvw in empty worlds don’t have to, they can choose to fight for their alliance in either. Tiers would be represented by the most populated Alliance vs Alliance vs Alliance map (A v A v A = W v W v W ).

I think this solves the pride issue because you will have pride for your alliance and respect to other servers serving in your alliance. I think this is a great solution since people will stick to servers instead of switching to higher populated WvW ones, also give players more aspects to try out populated or low populated AvAvA matches.

Also i’d assume servers would have a poll in which alliance they’d want to join. This is my rough sketch in a solution, which i’ve gathered from others solutions/ideas.

Anyway please add and discuss how to better improve this idea!

Anyone have the link of the Fort Aspen wvw video where they are outnumbered but keep fighting? It has evongalion music in the video.

Are you paying for server transfers? ( OCE wvwer ). Does your guild dictate how to build w/e class for the party?

Im not a former FAer but im an avid WvWer, should adopt me.

Im an avid OCE WvWer, i play minimum 5 nights a week and enjoy defending/havoc groups. Can someone recommend a server that have OCE guilds? ( not T1 ) Im currently on SoS.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

WvW tournament is coming, time for the “great” servers to show what they dont have so that they can get to a lower tier, to then claim they are great at coming first in the lower tier again!

that doesnt answer anything =.=

Buffy.9246:

Dragonbrand and crystal desert are the 2 with night coverage. Yaks only have Na.
Db might be toxic since it always have been, don’t know about cd.

Ty for the info, do you know if CD are roamers? Defenders? or blob?

Buffy.9246:

And most. Of what you said are ocx guilds that pvd. Against 0 resistance.
HOPE is Na so they get fights from FA if they decide to show up, not mag anymore

What does OCX, PvD and 0 resistance mean? sorry i don’t know what these mean.

SoS have Bears/Lions/Rz/HOPE/OvO and a few other guilds. What do you mean by they have no guilds? I understand everything u said besides the no guilds because i see guilds in WvW running around.

I’ve noticed on the rankings maguma is the only server that is drastically not gaining points http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups . Im just wondering are they losing on purpose? Have guilds left, if so why? Please can someone explain because im so confused in SoS wondering whats going on.

Currently on SoS, my bracket is currently the most inbalanced out of all the others and i want to switch to either Crystal Deser, Yak’s Bend, Dragonbrand. Which has the most Oceanic coverage? Friendliest Guilds? What kind of servers are they?

Traveller.7496:

When they feel like adding more dungeons is too much work, do you honestly think they can work on something as huge as an expansion?

Lol if that was really true i’d jump the boat but im pretty sure money is intensive enough for their higher ups to allow em to create an expansion.

Allanon.9072:

pigdog.9215:

So when is arenanet announcing their first expansion? This living world stuff is clearly a blunder, not because it’s bad because the story is really interesting but because it prevents content to be released. Let me explain, Anet anounced living story to be a replacement for an expansion and they’ll release dungeons/pvp/wvw updates inbetween, right? But in the latest interview they explained how their focusing on the Living story instead of the other aspects of the game, because they don’t have enough time/resource ( w/e u wanna call it ).

If you still don’t understand what’s going on just look at the progression of Guild wars 2 launch, compared to World of warcraft launch.

WoW: -released updates which included new dungeons/tweaks to game/story (quests )
– Expansions every 2 years which included new huge zones/ story/ dungeons/ PvP stuff.
– Fees
WoW’s released updates continued forever with everything for each new expansion until a newer one came out. This repeated and has done so for 10 years straight with plenty of players still interested in the game.

Guild wars 2: – releases updates which include new dungeons/tweaks to game/features/gem store stuff
– Living world every 2 weeks which gradually release zones/dungeons/ Living story / pvp stuff.
– No Fees.
Guild wars 2’s concept was great because we got best of all worlds and we don’t have to pay, the problem now is that for some reason we’re not getting what we were promised? Dungeons/Wvw/Pvp aren’t being looked into because anet are focusing on Living story, why when they said Living Story won’t affect the attention other parts of the game will get (wvw/dungeon/pvp) ?

It is very clear that guild wars 2 doesn’t seem to be getting enough funds (moniez) to produce enough content to keep everyone happy, and the only way they could get more is by releasing an expansion. I’m not a complainer but i am a realist that loves anet for what they’ve created and just like a lot of people i want this game to succeed . But with how things are going now, it’s hard to see it succeed to it’s fullest potential if it continues being lead the way it currently is. If anet is creating an expansion in the dark they should tell us so we can turn stop wondering and start waiting, and if not then i really hope anet does something because guild wars 2 has so much potential and people are more than willing NOT to PAY for expansions to help them create what we want.

( Im writing this late at night, oops for any typos )

There you go corrected for you , you just answered your own questions.

I don’t understand what you’re point is, people are willing to pay for expansions. No one has ever said i want no expansions.

Mosharn.8357:

Ignore Allanon. People like that is the reason there can’t be discussions on the forums without kitten s.

On topic, yes wow has many updates because its still one game and has served players for many years. They release a lot of content because they have their rhythm down.

Gw2 on the other hands is doing good and has the moneyz trust me lol. The only problem is the higher uppers aren’t giving devs much freedom and change their plans a lot which is the reason for the small amount of content every month. Imo the only reason this game is still in a good position is because new players. New players are the main reason for Gw2 doing good. Ive seen many big guilds ive been in all empty because the old players don’t get on anymore.

That is another reason there hasn’t been an uproar as to why small content keeps coming out. The new players don’t question it…yet.

I see what you’re saying, but sorry for not being specific. When WoW was released in 2004 they changed the game quite a lot with tweaks, but released major content like Onyxia’s lair/Black Wing Lair ( some giant dragon raid )/ Egypt themed zone with raid ( raids were a huge time sink, 1 raid is comparable to 4 really hard dungeons ). Also released a PvP map, they had open world PvP which allowed Pvpers with another form of PvP ( also had PvE servers for ppl who didn’t want to deal with pvpers ). In other words their released content had a lot of end game that didnt leave people complaining. Guild wars 2 doesnt have a continuous flow of endgame but it’s been 2 years already ( is when wow released BC ). WoW in 2 years released Outlands which had around 6 zones. Guild wars 2 released 3 zones, southsun (1 zone) and dry top areas (worth 2 zones). WoW was released in 2004 and by it’s 2 year mark had more than GW2, GW2 is at it’s 2year mark and has little to show for it. No raids, poor end game. By this i mean living story is too short, no where near enough dungeons as wow, pvp in wow was much more fun and had good rewards compared to gw2s ( WvW in gw2 is better but insentive/outnumbered makes it worse).

Main point is that IF they have enough money, why arent they releasing enough content compared to WoW? The higher ups arent cant stop anet from creating more content to keep us interested. Also in WoW new players enjoyed the game and were an investment because WoW’s endgame was addictive (extremely fun). Gw2s is fun besides lack of endgame (pvp/dungeon).

So when is arenanet announcing their first expansion? This living world stuff is clearly a blunder, not because it’s bad because the story is really interesting but because it prevents content to be released. Let me explain, Anet anounced living story to be a replacement for an expansion and they’ll release dungeons/pvp/wvw updates inbetween, right? But in the latest interview they explained how their focusing on the Living story instead of the other aspects of the game, because they don’t have enough time/resource ( w/e u wanna call it ).

If you still don’t understand what’s going on just look at the progression of Guild wars 2 launch, compared to World of warcraft launch.

WoW: -released updates which included new dungeons/tweaks to game/story (quests )
– Expansions every 2 years which included new huge zones/ story/ dungeons/ PvP stuff.
– Fees
WoW’s released updates continued forever with everything for each new expansion until a newer one came out. This repeated and has done so for 10 years straight with plenty of players still interested in the game.

Guild wars 2: – releases updates which include new dungeons/tweaks to game/features/gem store stuff
– Living world every 2 weeks which gradually release zones/dungeons/ Living story / pvp stuff.
– No Fees.
Guild wars 2’s concept was great because we got best of all worlds and we don’t have to pay, the problem now is that for some reason we’re not getting what we were promised? Dungeons/Wvw/Pvp aren’t being looked into because anet are focusing on Living story, why when they said Living Story won’t affect the attention other parts of the game will get (wvw/dungeon/pvp) ?

It is very clear that guild wars 2 doesn’t seem to be getting enough funds (moniez) to produce enough content to keep everyone happy, and the only way they could get more is by releasing an expansion. I’m not a complainer but i am a realist that loves anet for what they’ve created and just like a lot of people i want this game to succeed . But with how things are going now, it’s hard to see it succeed to it’s fullest potential if it continues being lead the way it currently is. If anet is creating an expansion in the dark they should tell us so we can turn stop wondering and start waiting, and if not then i really hope anet does something because guild wars 2 has so much potential and people are more than willing to PAY for expansions to help them create what we want.

( Im writing this late at night, oops for any typos )

Yargesh.4965:

I don’t know about the company but posts like this have been floating up every week for the last 2 years in this game and for years in every other game I have played. So pretty much business as usual.

What an ignorant comment, and it’s false for one. In guild wars 2 it’s happening more frequently, compared to games i’ve played in the past. The reason is because other game release expansions/new content that majority wants ( big new dungeons ). These “wow factors” draw attention away from the, “i’ve been staring at the same thing over and over.. Boring.” mentality and into the, “Cool stuff that is new to me, exciting to explore”.

Don’t believe me? Look at the mmorpg gaming industry. Guild wars 2 has trouble because there aren’t enough distractions.

DivineRequiem.2710:

»Everyone has the right to voice opinion«, so here is mine. So many people complain about the game, and now I’ll complain about you!

It’s making me puke to read all the whining on this forum! I swear if I’d be the director I’d just close down the forums and say »Screw you guys, you’re on your own!«

“I want this, I want that, I wanna kill fluffy white bunnies to get 100% precursor drop!”

• I don’t like this backpeace/weapon/armor – um…. don’t get it than?
• Why do I have to do fractals for this ascended peace “weee weee” – Well where else would you actually “need” to use ascended peace’s than in…I dunno… fractals? :L
• We want expansions!!! – »I want better topics on forums!« Anet is working its kitten off to give us as much as possible, with LS. True, its not as massive, but it’s there and its free. Your constant nagging for expansion won’t speed things up, so give it a rest. When they’ll decide to, and be ready for expansion, we’ll get it.
• I don’t like LS! – cry me and many others that enjoy it, a huge river. A lot of work went into it, and even more will in the future, show some respect! You’re getting free stuff if you want it or not.
• We want SAB!!! – while the community clearly made the creator feel bad last time around! So blame other players for not having SAB back any time soon, not devs!
• I want mounts! – what for? So you can travel the distance between 2 WPs 5% faster? As if its not enough we have WPs every 50m and most classes have a way of having constant swiftness. What, you wanna be fancy and look down on mobs? Wanna be immune to combat as well while at it to make your ore farm even easier? It’s not practical, I see no need for it, and I don’t see how such a thing could bring new and old players to come play gw2 :L
• Dry top sucks! – don’t play it?
• I don’t like combat – make it like…. . …TERA! – go play tera than?
• I wanna get whatever item whatever way I want it! – right right…so.. because you’re not a PVP guy/gal, you wanna get Balthazars backpack by killing 1000 frogs in the swamp? Or since you don’t wanna PVP nor do dungeons, you wanna get CoF from flame legion mobs with 50% drop rate? You can get a lot more stuff in this game by playing different content, a lot more than other MMOs offer! I support that some items should be available only to those who do certain things.
• I don’t wanna work for X or Y – then continue to be a lazy kitten without X or Y cause you clearly don’t deserve it.
• We want new dungeons!!! – while at the same time – “we hate dungeons and grouping up for content and grind them over and over!!!((” And when the last time they did something about dungeons, everyone just complained again.
• and so on and so forth

Everyone would have everything – just make a “casual” content merchant where you can buy every single item in the game for max 50 gold, right? Lets all have everything very easy, and die of boredom 2 weeks later, with no more goals to achieve, and leave the game empty till next LS.

I hate RNG, like many others, but I don’t bother devs about it. If you don’t like gathering for mats, do something that you enjoy doing in the game and BUY it. Every part of content awards you with some kind of reward you can make money off.

To sum up – lets just change everything about what GW2 is!!! :LLL
One game will never have everything that everyone wants. So after so long, just deal with it. New things will be implemented when they are ready.
If you don’t like things in GW2 soooo much, just go back to WoW or w/e game you like better, and give this poor people a break.

This is by far the best MMO I’ve played, and I’ve tried tons. Anet, you’re doing a smashing job! Thank you!

And for all you who’ll be all smart about my ranting – there is a difference between improvement suggestions and str8 up whining.

After reading your first sentence i skipped reading everything else, let people complain and don’t cry making a giant paged complaint about complainers. People will complain, no matter what so don’t waste your time complaining about complainers lol. If you are sick and puking when reading forums then don’t read the forums. I hardly ever complain about gw, just like most people but sometimes people need to vent, get over yourself.

Kibazuka.1390:

Ayrilana.1396:

Be patient.

And how long do you expect us to be patient?
Some of us have been patient for quite long now, you cant expect anyone to be patient forever

I feel the same way as many of you do, complaining about it and expressing everything we want over and over isnt going to do anything. They know how we feel, they know what we want but they’re busy, just take a break from gw2 and come back later when there are new updates.

pdavis.8031:

pigdog.9215:

pdavis.8031:

After seeing so many dueling threads, I still don’t understand WHY people want open world dueling. It’s always the same arguments: “Its fun”, “I can test my PvE build”, “PvP custom arenas aren’t convient for dueling”, “Its training for PvP”. My guess is that many of these who want open world dueling are coming from other games that have it, and while they enjoyed it, feel that GW2 should include it so they don’t have to go back to “X” game that had it.

I think one of the great things about GW2 is that it’s not trying to be like other MMOs. Thats a major reason why we don’t have things like mounts, open world dueling, player to player trading, etc. Many MMOs have been there done that. To the point where such things are expected to be in any new MMO, or added to any MMO that doesn’t have them. Trying to take away from what makes GW2 such a great game and turn it into your average run of the mill MMO, IMO, will kill the game faster than anything Anet can do.

I understand that such things are enjoyed by many, but put simply, this game didn’t add them at launch, even though they could be considered an “industry standard”, for a reason. Could they add them at any time? sure. But such things are not where Anet is taking the game. They decided to focus on the LS, which is an awesome and great device they are doing. I do not know of any other MMO that has anything remotely like it. It keeps players playing, and draws in new players. Adding in dueling/mounts/player trading/whatever will be taking a step backward. It would be seen as selling out and lose much of what makes GW2 awesome and amazing.

Firstly guild wars 2 is just like any other mmorpg, it has weapons, armor, loot, bosses, dungeons, pvp, world bosses etc. You’re just cherry picking which completely removes the argument of Gw2 not copying other MMORPGS. If Gw2 was this “perfect” game that you’re making it out to be in this post the forums wouldn’t have such complaints in the general forum section. A step backwards is having the attitude of ignorance, which is what you are showing by expressing dueling/mounts/playertrading is a step backwards because they are not your taste.

First the weapons/armor/loot etc. is not limited to MMOPRGs, but native to RPGs of all types. Second, I never said, nor implied that this game was perfect. Is it a great game? yes. Does it have issues? yes. But having issues does not take away from being a great game. And finally, as far as adding in what nearly every other MMO has would be taking a step backward because GW2 is trying to move forward, and do things that MMOs generally don’t do. It’s not ignorance. In the process of forward thinking, adding, or doing things, that everyone else has done is a step backward. If you are trying to be different, then doing whats been done before is not progress. Thats how ALL progress is made. It’s taking convential wisdom, and saying “lets try it another way, instead of doing it the same way as everyone else.” Of course mistakes and setbacks will happen. But if you stop trying to move forward then you are moving backward.

It is not hard to ignore someone, people need to relax and remember its a game and let people have fun. Ignore those who troll. Simple.

Brother Grimm.5176:

This “feature” would totally change the entire current Open World environment and I seriously doubt Anet wants that nor is willing to risk the fallout that would follow. Not gonna happen.

Hey if they were doing a great job dealing with the game i wouldnt ask for it, but look at the state of it now?

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

If PvP Trolling and harassment really wasn’t a problem, then why can I look up something along the lines of ‘online player vs player toxicity’ or something similar on Google and find over 400,000 results from practically every corner of the gaming community?

Don’t get me wrong, there are toxic, angry mental 9-year olds no matter where you go. The difference is, in PvE as it is now, I don’t have to worry about those same angry little kitten-heads gunning for me.

And before you ask, yes I do occasionally PvP… With my friends in my guild in sPvP with the custom arena we all chipped in to get…
And this is coming from someone whose oh-so wonderful PvP experiences over the past decade or so included (but is not limited to) some little prick who got so infuriated by the fact that I beat him in a duel (back when I played WoW so many years ago) that he threatened to find me in RL and kill me.
Yeah… I wish I was making that up…

So no… not too keen on the idea of Dueling in PvE…

I guess you need to see the laughter in people acting stupid, if i beat someone in a duel and they threatened my life i’d be laughing my kitten off on my chair. How can that not be an enjoyable moment? Its not as if he will actually kill you, cmon its the internet have some fun.

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Though perhaps a copy of a pve map, turned into pvp Would be nice.
For example a new mist section. (give it a max of idk 70players map fill…then new map opens up….but all players are “enemies”)
They could even randomise the pve map per week, and in the WvW section, where youchoose borderland/eotm etc, have a “PVE mists” …and that will be a random pve map, where people who enter can pvp.

Whether this mode will allow for ganking or just people who accept duels, would be up to anet, but I this might just solve the pvp openworld issue? It’s an “openworld” map, without being in pve.

fair enough. I guess its completely reasonable to assume that dueling brings out the trolls.

I mean, i guess if i was using duels properly, i would never bother you. I would duel my friends, respectfully accept duel declines from strangers, duel away from events or anywhere i could bother people. It’s like i didn’t even exist.

So maybe, in the context of duels, you seem to associate duels and trolls, because you are completely oblivious to the far greater percentage of people that use duels properly. It’s like you get the worst possible, most extreme examples of duel harassment, and treat those as the rule rather than the exception. All while ignoring tools (report/ignore/auto decline) that would be implemented to mitigate issues caused by the people your worried about.

I will try to remain reasonable, but please step back and look from a different perspective.

Except, people have already explained, how pvp in pve, is bothersome, how the ignoring/reporting features, aren’t enough.

You might be a decent person, but the toxic people are loud and they will cause the most trouble.
And no one wants to spend their play time constantly reporting/ignoring people.

Where are you getting your facts from? From my experiences with dueling people duel you and if you decline they move on, i don’t remember having to spend my time reporting/ignoring people. Please stop spewing out your false opinions of people who duel.

Taygus.4571:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

EvilSardine.9635:

Taygus.4571:

yeah, because thats the only reason someone might not want to duel.
this is another post that proves the pvp toxicity.

keep going guys, we don’t even have to defend our side, with points like this!

Good try but…….Wrong. I’m pretty much a 90% PvE player along with most of my guild. It would be fun to duel with friends while waiting for dungeon spots to fill.

Again, if you’re taking dueling that seriously then you need to take a break from gaming in general. Just because you lose to someone in an imaginary game your feelings should not be hurt. Maybe take up farmville or something similar?

Totally missed the point of my post.
And why should I take up another game, just because you want to change the game I like?

It’s not your game, its everyones game. He was just giving friendly advice in which game you’d prefer because as most people know farmville is a non toxic game.

lol,
no he was telling me to move to another game so that he can have pvp in pve, something that doesn’t and has never existed in GW2 (or GW1).

Look, I gave a suggestion earlier,
about anet creating a new “mist” section, with a random pve map, the mist version will be exactly the same as the pve map, cept people can duel.

It will be out of pve’rs but will still be an “openworld” map.
Due to server issues or whatever, it will be one random pve (mist) map, that will change per week.
It should not be based on WvW colours or current servers you’re up against, but allow anyone to enter this map & to fight another.
Would this satisfy?

However I also asked the question, how worthwhile this would be for anet to implement.

And don’t insult me again, simply because I don’t want, what you want, and I like this game as it is.

Would something we didnt ask for satisfy? I don’t know how about you don’t ask stupid questions that you know the answer to then you wont get insulted. Dueling doesn’t affect you, you someone harasses you ignore/report them. That is why the feature is available to you incase you get harassed. If dueling frightens you that much then a simple fix would be ignoring them?

Nerelith.7360:

tigirius.9014:

Have to say it’s entirely hilarious how people continue to claim this game is at all casual when it’s nowhere near. Wildstar is more casual than GW2 at this point.

Casual is having housing, huge wardrobe (we’re talking a wardrobe now not a transmog knockoff), minigames like farming/fishing, mounts, pet taming to become mounts, etc etc….

So to people who keep misusing the casual term….I’ll just leave this here…

You are giving us what you feel casual means in your opinion. That doesn’t make it fact.

The term casual means different things to different people. And what do you say to the fact that what you mentioned is also included in some " Hardcore " MMO’s? Does that suddenly mean that those things are no longer casual?

You have your definition of casual, I have mine..Mine does Not include either mounts, pet taming our housing.

Just because we disagree on what casual means doesn’t mean you are wrong and I am right, …or vice-versa. As long as we both understand that we are discussing opinions. The problem is… when one of us thinks their opinions are fact.

Yall should stick to the topic.

leman.7682:

These blog posts simply don’t cut it.
I just feel that the company lost its momentum. They don’t engage in discussions anymore, the Collaborative Development Initiative turned out to be BS so far.

Before season 2 we were fed with the info that most of the content is permanent, but they forgot to mention that the value of that content is mostly lost due to it being just one-time story instances that you enter once or twice.

They won’t engage in a dialoque about things that hook people up (SAB is the prime example) and won’t give official statements on features that has been asked for since forever (first-person FOV). It just all seems like we’re stuck with, sorry to say, poorly written, childish and boring Living Story updates worth 3 hours of playtime every 2 weeks. The development of these underwhelming updates takes a long time and after a few months they have to take a mid-season break.

The features they’re adding surely improve the quality, but don’t change the gameplay.

What players need and are asking for is changing what they’re supposed to do, not how they’re supposed to do that!

What is the point of having Solo Arena Leaderboards if the game mode and some terribly design missteps (Skyhammer) stop people from enjoying the game in the end making them leave?

What is the point of introducing new WvW golem mastery/skills or new traps and tricks if it doesn’t change the crucial problems with population, zerging and rewards?

What is the point in going to Gamescom if you can’t even make a cohesive presentation?

What is the point in giving interviews if there is literally no questions you can answer (seriously, the GuildMag interview was just embarasiing for the Studio).

What is the point in maintaining these forums if in the end all that the passionate players writing walls of texts of feedback get is an excuse of being just a vocal minority?

It really seems like Anet moved from developing and improving the game to just servicing the bunch of players who still play it.

The absolutely worst thing, that the management at the company should be ashamed of, is sending the truly passionate Devs to these interviews while having a strict non-disclosure policy and making them dodge all the questions. The ones that should put up with these questions should be the Studio Leads.

i agree, that interview didnt answer anything or make us excited. I’ve been loyal for ages but ive mostly WvWd and i dnno if i should quit yet or wait till end of year.

Taygus.4571:

EvilSardine.9635:

Taygus.4571:

yeah, because thats the only reason someone might not want to duel.
this is another post that proves the pvp toxicity.

keep going guys, we don’t even have to defend our side, with points like this!

Good try but…….Wrong. I’m pretty much a 90% PvE player along with most of my guild. It would be fun to duel with friends while waiting for dungeon spots to fill.

Again, if you’re taking dueling that seriously then you need to take a break from gaming in general. Just because you lose to someone in an imaginary game your feelings should not be hurt. Maybe take up farmville or something similar?

Totally missed the point of my post.
And why should I take up another game, just because you want to change the game I like?

It’s not your game, its everyones game. He was just giving friendly advice in which game you’d prefer because as most people know farmville is a non toxic game.

Taygus.4571:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

EvilSardine.9635:

because you’re socially awkward

yeah, because thats the only reason someone might not want to duel.
this is another post that proves the pvp toxicity.

keep going guys, we don’t even have to defend our side, with points like this!

Look the world isnt carebare, why are you trying to keep a virtual world into one? I don’t know if you’ve had a traumatic event about someone harrassing you which makes you so one sided in people not being mean but i’ve dealt with trolls/rude people and it’s as simple as walking away or muting them. No one is trying to personally attack you, on the internet people will be rude and there is nothing you can do about it and i don’t know if you were badly bullied by someone you lost a duel to but its just a game. Don’t get so offended by someone you don’t know.

Thanks for making assumptions about life……………….

Hey i’m just saying this because i used to be someone who closed off anything that could potentially hurt me, then i realized i was being silly allowing people’s comments to influence my self esteme and ignored them. Just trying to help incase this is why you’re so against it.

EvilSardine.9635:

Taygus.4571:

yeah, because thats the only reason someone might not want to duel.
this is another post that proves the pvp toxicity.

keep going guys, we don’t even have to defend our side, with points like this!

Good try but…….Wrong. I’m pretty much a 90% PvE player along with most of my guild. It would be fun to duel with friends while waiting for dungeon spots to fill.

Again, if you’re taking dueling that seriously then you need to take a break from gaming in general. Just because you lose to someone in an imaginary game your feelings should not be hurt. Maybe take up farmville or something similar?

farmville part made me lol, i agree.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Its easier to create a carefree environment for casual and soft hearted people. But i enjoy gw2 not for its care bear environment but for it’s lore/combat. Not everyone is as soft hearted as your friends. Arenanet shouldn’t cater only for those care bear people, they should cater for everyone like in WoW. Example, In wow there are PvP servers or PvE servers. Why cant arenanet have atleast ONE server with dueling? If you get harrassed, mute then and report instead of crying about duels.

If you have not noticed, GW2 places heavy emphasis on their PVP content. There are more avenues for PVP than there are for PVE.

In fact, PvE only has ONE avenue, that is modular enough to allow people to not play content they do not wish to.

Again, I am far from soft hearted. I spend most of my time in the mists. I /laugh at thieves. But I can understand Taygus’ viewpoint.

It doesn’t sit right with me to encroach upon the PVE world when there are several options available to you for dueling, propose to pepper the instances with duels and the probable toxicity PVP can bring, and then ask them why they’re crying about it.

Well how i and others see it is that they enjoy playing games that are immersive, i think being able to duel someone in a game based around fighting things is perfectly reasonable and to not what it makes no sense. You go around killing things but are afraid of one person having a friendly battle with another? I treat mmorpgs not as a PvE or PvP one but as an online fantasy world that immerses me into the game. If someone insults me for being a noob and runs off it makes no sense being unable to challenge them to a duel? If im traveling with a friend and we want to test our skills in the wild because its imersive i see no problem in that. I dont understand how people can think duels ruin PvE it adds to immersion. No matter what there is, or where you go, people are toxic. Remove World bosses if you are scared of toxic people.

you seem to be missing [read: ignoring] the point.

You may not see a problem, but the people who will be affected by your proposition do, and you should pay attention to what they’re saying.

There is certainly the option for you to duel, it just exists in a separate avenue.

You not wanting to use that avenue is a separate problem entirely, but the fact of the matter is the players on the PVE side don’t want to see this happen because of the avenues to harassment it opens on a game with a currently -very- peaceful PVE.

World bosses have been covered already. the ones that cause wipes require pre-planning, and the pre-planning happens in a separate instance.

Just like fractals.
Just like dungeons.
And just like duels.

The only point made is that PvPers want duels in the open world, the opposition’s point is that it would increase the amount of toxicity by people acting superior if another doesnt want to duel. World bosses create more of a toxic behaviour but it will not be removed because PvErs tolerate it. They just mute and report the person, which is what anyone can do for harrasing duelers. There is no logic to say one sides wants is irrelevant because it affects my side in a way i can easily solve ( reporting/ignoring ).

I see that you’re going to just pass over what I said about World bosses.

Never said it was irrelevant.

You can duel as much as you want.

in the mists.

Have fun.

Ill have fun supporting people who wants duels untill we get it

Taygus.4571:

EvilSardine.9635:

because you’re socially awkward

yeah, because thats the only reason someone might not want to duel.
this is another post that proves the pvp toxicity.

keep going guys, we don’t even have to defend our side, with points like this!

Look the world isnt carebare, why are you trying to keep a virtual world into one? I don’t know if you’ve had a traumatic event about someone harrassing you which makes you so one sided in people not being mean but i’ve dealt with trolls/rude people and it’s as simple as walking away or muting them. No one is trying to personally attack you, on the internet people will be rude and there is nothing you can do about it and i don’t know if you were badly bullied by someone you lost a duel to but its just a game. Don’t get so offended by someone you don’t know.

sorudo.9054:

pigdog.9215:

sorudo.9054:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Slcrisis.6930:

+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.

Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.

Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.

That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.

That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.

Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.

Then i guess their vision of the game doesnt include a large PVP scene l0l. There is no way people will take the PvP as seriously as WoWs if you cant even duel people.

are you frikin serious?
GW2 is 2/3 PvP, only 1/3 is PvE and even that is divided between open world, dungeons and fractures.
really, be glad there is as much PvP as GW2 offers, any other game simply doesn’t offer as much PvP even with duels.

oh and one more thing, the reason why so many games have a low PvE population is because of duels, GW1/2 has one of the biggest PvE crowd because PvP and PvE are separated, in WvWvW combines them but you still need to get there specifically.
i would have walked away from GW1 if duels were introduced and i am certainly not the only one, i am really happy GW2 keeps this up.

if you are so concerned that it will not be as popular as WoW, play WoW but leave GW2 alone in that regard.
in fact, because there are no duels in PvE GW2 is one of the most friendliest PvE environment, sure there are some rotten apples but every single game has that.

That is so close minded, Mist WvW is a karma farm, WvW points system is flawed if you actually WvWd youd see all the complaints. PvP is the only thing that is given attention, a lot of games have Pk servers, Dueling, arenas, pvp so you must be living under a rock to think gw2 has a lot in regards to PvP. Also i quit WoW because it’s old, gw2 doesnt cater to PvPers wants as much as other games, i can complain about it as much as you PvErs complain about no endgame. Don’t be so close minded when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

LOL btw gw2 is one of the friendliest games not because of Dueling, do some research please. The major toxic issues in MMORPGS are the hardcore PvEing compared to PvP. Guild wars 2 does not allow third party mods like DPS meters, you cannot tag mobs, everyone gets a reward for participating, therefore no ninja looting. Please go experience MMORPGS before joining in a discussion where you bring them up.

all i see from you is “meh meh i want duels, you know nothing and i know more then you do”
i have bin playing MMO’s from 2005, have tried every single kind of MMO and know plenty about game development.
it’s more likely you need more research, the most toxic kind of player are the duel extremists and believe me, there are tons of them in every single MMO. (yes, even here where duels don’t exist in PvE)

grow up and talk normally, only then i can take you seriously.
right now you’re commenting like a spoiled arrogant child, a child that only wants his way and pushes away anyone that doesn’t agree with you.

Based on your comment i see you didn’t read what i said, i gave a reason to why dueling shouldn’t be shunned by PvErs. You didn’t comment on the solutions to Pvers complaints. Read what i say before commenting, thanks.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Its easier to create a carefree environment for casual and soft hearted people. But i enjoy gw2 not for its care bear environment but for it’s lore/combat. Not everyone is as soft hearted as your friends. Arenanet shouldn’t cater only for those care bear people, they should cater for everyone like in WoW. Example, In wow there are PvP servers or PvE servers. Why cant arenanet have atleast ONE server with dueling? If you get harrassed, mute then and report instead of crying about duels.

If you have not noticed, GW2 places heavy emphasis on their PVP content. There are more avenues for PVP than there are for PVE.

In fact, PvE only has ONE avenue, that is modular enough to allow people to not play content they do not wish to.

Again, I am far from soft hearted. I spend most of my time in the mists. I /laugh at thieves. But I can understand Taygus’ viewpoint.

It doesn’t sit right with me to encroach upon the PVE world when there are several options available to you for dueling, propose to pepper the instances with duels and the probable toxicity PVP can bring, and then ask them why they’re crying about it.

Well how i and others see it is that they enjoy playing games that are immersive, i think being able to duel someone in a game based around fighting things is perfectly reasonable and to not what it makes no sense. You go around killing things but are afraid of one person having a friendly battle with another? I treat mmorpgs not as a PvE or PvP one but as an online fantasy world that immerses me into the game. If someone insults me for being a noob and runs off it makes no sense being unable to challenge them to a duel? If im traveling with a friend and we want to test our skills in the wild because its imersive i see no problem in that. I dont understand how people can think duels ruin PvE it adds to immersion. No matter what there is, or where you go, people are toxic. Remove World bosses if you are scared of toxic people.

you seem to be missing [read: ignoring] the point.

You may not see a problem, but the people who will be affected by your proposition do, and you should pay attention to what they’re saying.

There is certainly the option for you to duel, it just exists in a separate avenue.

You not wanting to use that avenue is a separate problem entirely, but the fact of the matter is the players on the PVE side don’t want to see this happen because of the avenues to harassment it opens on a game with a currently -very- peaceful PVE.

World bosses have been covered already. the ones that cause wipes require pre-planning, and the pre-planning happens in a separate instance.

Just like fractals.
Just like dungeons.
And just like duels.

The only point made is that PvPers want duels in the open world, the opposition’s point is that it would increase the amount of toxicity by people acting superior if another doesnt want to duel. World bosses create more of a toxic behaviour but it will not be removed because PvErs tolerate it. They just mute and report the person, which is what anyone can do for harrasing duelers. There is no logic to say one sides wants is irrelevant because it affects my side in a way i can easily solve ( reporting/ignoring ).

pdavis.8031:

After seeing so many dueling threads, I still don’t understand WHY people want open world dueling. It’s always the same arguments: “Its fun”, “I can test my PvE build”, “PvP custom arenas aren’t convient for dueling”, “Its training for PvP”. My guess is that many of these who want open world dueling are coming from other games that have it, and while they enjoyed it, feel that GW2 should include it so they don’t have to go back to “X” game that had it.

I think one of the great things about GW2 is that it’s not trying to be like other MMOs. Thats a major reason why we don’t have things like mounts, open world dueling, player to player trading, etc. Many MMOs have been there done that. To the point where such things are expected to be in any new MMO, or added to any MMO that doesn’t have them. Trying to take away from what makes GW2 such a great game and turn it into your average run of the mill MMO, IMO, will kill the game faster than anything Anet can do.

I understand that such things are enjoyed by many, but put simply, this game didn’t add them at launch, even though they could be considered an “industry standard”, for a reason. Could they add them at any time? sure. But such things are not where Anet is taking the game. They decided to focus on the LS, which is an awesome and great device they are doing. I do not know of any other MMO that has anything remotely like it. It keeps players playing, and draws in new players. Adding in dueling/mounts/player trading/whatever will be taking a step backward. It would be seen as selling out and lose much of what makes GW2 awesome and amazing.

Firstly guild wars 2 is just like any other mmorpg, it has weapons, armor, loot, bosses, dungeons, pvp, world bosses etc. You’re just cherry picking which completely removes the argument of Gw2 not copying other MMORPGS. If Gw2 was this “perfect” game that you’re making it out to be in this post the forums wouldn’t have such complaints in the general forum section. A step backwards is having the attitude of ignorance, which is what you are showing by expressing dueling/mounts/playertrading is a step backwards because they are not your taste.

sorudo.9054:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Slcrisis.6930:

+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.

Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.

Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.

That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.

That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.

Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.

Then i guess their vision of the game doesnt include a large PVP scene l0l. There is no way people will take the PvP as seriously as WoWs if you cant even duel people.

are you frikin serious?
GW2 is 2/3 PvP, only 1/3 is PvE and even that is divided between open world, dungeons and fractures.
really, be glad there is as much PvP as GW2 offers, any other game simply doesn’t offer as much PvP even with duels.

oh and one more thing, the reason why so many games have a low PvE population is because of duels, GW1/2 has one of the biggest PvE crowd because PvP and PvE are separated, in WvWvW combines them but you still need to get there specifically.
i would have walked away from GW1 if duels were introduced and i am certainly not the only one, i am really happy GW2 keeps this up.

if you are so concerned that it will not be as popular as WoW, play WoW but leave GW2 alone in that regard.
in fact, because there are no duels in PvE GW2 is one of the most friendliest PvE environment, sure there are some rotten apples but every single game has that.

That is so close minded, Mist WvW is a karma farm, WvW points system is flawed if you actually WvWd youd see all the complaints. PvP is the only thing that is given attention, a lot of games have Pk servers, Dueling, arenas, pvp so you must be living under a rock to think gw2 has a lot in regards to PvP. Also i quit WoW because it’s old, gw2 doesnt cater to PvPers wants as much as other games, i can complain about it as much as you PvErs complain about no endgame. Don’t be so close minded when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

LOL btw gw2 is one of the friendliest games not because of Dueling, do some research please. The major toxic issues in MMORPGS are the hardcore PvEing compared to PvP. Guild wars 2 does not allow third party mods like DPS meters, you cannot tag mobs, everyone gets a reward for participating, therefore no ninja looting. Please go experience MMORPGS before joining in a discussion where you bring them up.

Taygus.4571:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Its easier to create a carefree environment for casual and soft hearted people. But i enjoy gw2 not for its care bear environment but for it’s lore/combat. Not everyone is as soft hearted as your friends. Arenanet shouldn’t cater only for those care bear people, they should cater for everyone like in WoW. Example, In wow there are PvP servers or PvE servers. Why cant arenanet have atleast ONE server with dueling? If you get harrassed, mute then and report instead of crying about duels.

and this post, is exactly why people don’t want pvp.

By people you mean soft hearted folks? Pvpers want Pvp and duels and PK servers but we only asking for duels

you just proved my point(twice) and others, about the harassment pvp brings to pve.

Alot of players chose this game to not have to deal with pvp harassment, ..you don’t like it? go play a game that allows you to look down on the “carebears”.

A lot of people chose things because because of the combat, visuals, WvW, story based questing, leveling system. When i had topics about the game it these points were brought up. I don’t remember someone ever saying “i love guild wars because i dont have to deal with toxic people” lol?

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Its easier to create a carefree environment for casual and soft hearted people. But i enjoy gw2 not for its care bear environment but for it’s lore/combat. Not everyone is as soft hearted as your friends. Arenanet shouldn’t cater only for those care bear people, they should cater for everyone like in WoW. Example, In wow there are PvP servers or PvE servers. Why cant arenanet have atleast ONE server with dueling? If you get harrassed, mute then and report instead of crying about duels.

If you have not noticed, GW2 places heavy emphasis on their PVP content. There are more avenues for PVP than there are for PVE.

In fact, PvE only has ONE avenue, that is modular enough to allow people to not play content they do not wish to.

Again, I am far from soft hearted. I spend most of my time in the mists. I /laugh at thieves. But I can understand Taygus’ viewpoint.

It doesn’t sit right with me to encroach upon the PVE world when there are several options available to you for dueling, propose to pepper the instances with duels and the probable toxicity PVP can bring, and then ask them why they’re crying about it.

Well how i and others see it is that they enjoy playing games that are immersive, i think being able to duel someone in a game based around fighting things is perfectly reasonable and to not what it makes no sense. You go around killing things but are afraid of one person having a friendly battle with another? I treat mmorpgs not as a PvE or PvP one but as an online fantasy world that immerses me into the game. If someone insults me for being a noob and runs off it makes no sense being unable to challenge them to a duel? If im traveling with a friend and we want to test our skills in the wild because its imersive i see no problem in that. I dont understand how people can think duels ruin PvE it adds to immersion. No matter what there is, or where you go, people are toxic. Remove World bosses if you are scared of toxic people.

Xenon.4537:

pigdog.9215:

Xenon.4537:

It seems to me that they are talking more and more about the September feature pack. The way I see it, the schedule will look something like this:

September – feature pack
October – Halloween copy/pasta from last year
November – Continue bi-weekly LS releases
Mid December – End LS season 2 (another mid season break?) Wintersday
January – Continue Wintersday festival
February – End Wintersday and take a small break
March – Start up LS again…

And that’s about as far ahead as I’m willing to speculate. My main point is I don’t think we should expect anything new (other than the feature pack in September) until November. I think it’s pretty obvious what the plans are, and I think Anet kind of assumed people would figure it out on their own, which they apparently can’t.

Arenanet didn’t assume anything, they get messages and check the forums. They know exactly what is on peoples minds, they just dont want to add to the fire by saying something wrong.

That’s true now. What I meant was when they set forth their plans on communication (yes they do that) they must have thought this would be enough. They thought that the ReadyUP and Points of Interest each week would be enough, and they thought the recent blog posts would be enough. They made plans on how to schedule and release those live streams and blog posts weeks ago. They miscalculated.

Ahk, well i don’t know how they could miscalculate that much. Every good community must communicate effectively so everyone’s on the same page. Otherwise problems can arise, which is whats happening.

Taygus.4571:

pigdog.9215:

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Its easier to create a carefree environment for casual and soft hearted people. But i enjoy gw2 not for its care bear environment but for it’s lore/combat. Not everyone is as soft hearted as your friends. Arenanet shouldn’t cater only for those care bear people, they should cater for everyone like in WoW. Example, In wow there are PvP servers or PvE servers. Why cant arenanet have atleast ONE server with dueling? If you get harrassed, mute then and report instead of crying about duels.

and this post, is exactly why people don’t want pvp.

By people you mean soft hearted folks? Pvpers want Pvp and duels and PK servers but we only asking for duels

Beldin.5498:

pigdog.9215:

Beldin.5498:

pigdog.9215:

Just wait for newer ones to come out, i know in the future they’ll be extremely immersive MMORPGS, take a look at Black Desert for one.

Black Desert is another Asian grinder with open PvP .. so yeah .. if you like that you can
already play AION or Lineage 2 .. in the end its just the same only with better graphics.

You do know that black desert has a large trading economy that i havent seen in any RPG in ages, you can climb things like in assassins creed, combat is immersive and the environment looks extremely immersive. Aion/lineage 2 don’t have those things so why would i play them? Also the game isnt even out yet so comparing it to released games is kind of silly don’t you think

Climbing .. yeahh .. here we have jumping .. how long will that be interesting ?
Combat doesn’t really looks much different than here.

However .. in the end the open PvP makes that game a no-go for me the same than
Archeage or whatever else, since these games in the west always end just as gank fests.

Its also a “real” grinder where you didn’t get much exp for quests but more for just
grinding mobs.

Lol? you’re just making up things now. Climbing adds to immersion and people like games that immerse them into it. Combat is action based, unlike gw2. Do some more research before commenting because its clear you dont know the game.

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Its easier to create a carefree environment for casual and soft hearted people. But i enjoy gw2 not for its care bear environment but for it’s lore/combat. Not everyone is as soft hearted as your friends. Arenanet shouldn’t cater only for those care bear people, they should cater for everyone like in WoW. Example, In wow there are PvP servers or PvE servers. Why cant arenanet have atleast ONE server with dueling? If you get harrassed, mute then and report instead of crying about duels.

Xenon.4537:

It seems to me that they are talking more and more about the September feature pack. The way I see it, the schedule will look something like this:

September – feature pack
October – Halloween copy/pasta from last year
November – Continue bi-weekly LS releases
Mid December – End LS season 2 (another mid season break?) Wintersday
January – Continue Wintersday festival
February – End Wintersday and take a small break
March – Start up LS again…

And that’s about as far ahead as I’m willing to speculate. My main point is I don’t think we should expect anything new (other than the feature pack in September) until November. I think it’s pretty obvious what the plans are, and I think Anet kind of assumed people would figure it out on their own, which they apparently can’t.

Arenanet didn’t assume anything, they get messages and check the forums. They know exactly what is on peoples minds, they just dont want to add to the fire by saying something wrong.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Scrambles.2604:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

@ Vayne: Im sorry but if you READ what i said, i did specifically say duel and not “battle to the death”. If you’ve ever played WoW when you duel no one dies, they just get down to 1hp and the duel is over, there is no killing lol. Most of the guild wars 2 community is pretty nice. The chances of 2 people dueling that screws your event over and not helping but laughing at you is so small that its not even worth mentioning. Please if you don’t want dueling give a good reason why, hardly anyone is out to laugh at you because you asked for help.

I’ve been to PvP…I’ve seen some of the community there. Most of the PvE community is nice. I suspect it’ll lower that tone of dueling is introduced.

This mentality is why guild wars 2 PvP will never be a big e-sport like WoW or other MMORPGS. It makes no sense to remove a function from the game because people might be sour and be rude, if anyone is rude just mute them or report. Ive been to OS (dueling capital ) a lot and most people there arent rude, so how about you stop assuming the PvP community is toxic because of your bad experiences.

Not implementing something is completely different than removing it. They didn’t implement it. There are places for people to beat each other senseless. Let there be more place. But I don’t really want to be involved in it or deal with the consequences where I play.

And you know, I could be wrong. Maybe everyone who duels is lovely and wonderful and happy and smiling. But you know, I’d rather not take that chance.

You have to plan for the worse. Other games (cough wildstar) have solved these problems. Implement proper reporting/blocking tools, give players the power to block duel requests entirely, and, if it’s still THAT big an issue, create a cooldown on the amount of duel requests you can submit for a period of time.

Or the GW2 solution, bury your head in the sand and scream “No duels! They will ruin our pristine, non-toxic environment, where you get berated in map chat for not knowing events, booted from dungeons from being the wrong class, and called out in game for playing bad while using legendaries—-yes dueling would ruin this game!”

More like “If you want to duel, press a button and/or join a room.”

Just because toxic players already exist does not mean it would be okay to add more.

Then why did they add fractals? People are toxic in that because of resistance rating, but it was added for PvErs. Well Duels are wanted for PvPers, it makes no sense to not add wanted features because people are CAPABLE of being toxic.

Fractals are instances.

Okay then, world bosses? Teq, the worm? people can be toxic because of wipes. It’s open world.

Difficult world bosses exist in high level areas only, and the players organize onto a single map to even attempt said bosses. In that case, it is about as instanced as a dungeon.

As vayne stated, as well, apparently.

Untrue, there are world bosses all over the place. But world bosses arent instanced, they are in the open world. Which dueling should be in too, people who duel a lot could be placed in worlds with frequent duelers if its such a hassle, but no world bosses are all over the place and no way instanced.

1. Arenanet have put giant flashy annoying legendaries with pretty annoying flashy armor aswell like the SAB weapons =.=. Obviously arenanet dont have a problem with breaking immersion, also it wouldnt even have to break immersion if the mounts were simple and made sense through the lore.

2. Housing has no cons.

Anyway look at other MMORPGS they all have mounts and their immersion is fine.

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Scrambles.2604:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

@ Vayne: Im sorry but if you READ what i said, i did specifically say duel and not “battle to the death”. If you’ve ever played WoW when you duel no one dies, they just get down to 1hp and the duel is over, there is no killing lol. Most of the guild wars 2 community is pretty nice. The chances of 2 people dueling that screws your event over and not helping but laughing at you is so small that its not even worth mentioning. Please if you don’t want dueling give a good reason why, hardly anyone is out to laugh at you because you asked for help.

I’ve been to PvP…I’ve seen some of the community there. Most of the PvE community is nice. I suspect it’ll lower that tone of dueling is introduced.

This mentality is why guild wars 2 PvP will never be a big e-sport like WoW or other MMORPGS. It makes no sense to remove a function from the game because people might be sour and be rude, if anyone is rude just mute them or report. Ive been to OS (dueling capital ) a lot and most people there arent rude, so how about you stop assuming the PvP community is toxic because of your bad experiences.

Not implementing something is completely different than removing it. They didn’t implement it. There are places for people to beat each other senseless. Let there be more place. But I don’t really want to be involved in it or deal with the consequences where I play.

And you know, I could be wrong. Maybe everyone who duels is lovely and wonderful and happy and smiling. But you know, I’d rather not take that chance.

You have to plan for the worse. Other games (cough wildstar) have solved these problems. Implement proper reporting/blocking tools, give players the power to block duel requests entirely, and, if it’s still THAT big an issue, create a cooldown on the amount of duel requests you can submit for a period of time.

Or the GW2 solution, bury your head in the sand and scream “No duels! They will ruin our pristine, non-toxic environment, where you get berated in map chat for not knowing events, booted from dungeons from being the wrong class, and called out in game for playing bad while using legendaries—-yes dueling would ruin this game!”

More like “If you want to duel, press a button and/or join a room.”

Just because toxic players already exist does not mean it would be okay to add more.

Then why did they add fractals? People are toxic in that because of resistance rating, but it was added for PvErs. Well Duels are wanted for PvPers, it makes no sense to not add wanted features because people are CAPABLE of being toxic.

Fractals are instances.

Okay then, world bosses? Teq, the worm? people can be toxic because of wipes. It’s open world.

As I said, the more competitive the event, the more toxic people become. You’re right> Those events are toxic…and often avoided by people like me. But they’re localized. I don’t have to go and stand with those people or be a part of them unless I choose. It’s not like I can be standing in Wayfarer Foothills and someone can drag Tequatl to me and yell at me for not stacking, or pulling adds to the guns. lol

Exactly, which is why Dueling should be perfectly fine, friendly duels between two people will most likely not go into map chat n stay local. Most of the time its fun so it shouldn’t even be toxic like the world boss events.

Dusty Moon.4382:

pigdog.9215:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Serbianwolf.1652:

I was just wondering why is this feature still not implemented after 2 years? Cmon people, its essential thing!

1. It was never intended to BE a feature, so it’s not GOING to be implemented….EVER.
2. It is NOT “essential thing” as the game is in no way suffering because it’s not there (the definition of “essential”).
3. see PvP or WvW for a currently existing solution to “dueling”.
4. …even tho 1v1 dueling is not currently nor ever will something the game is balanced for….and thus is pointless.

1. Wardrobe was never intended to be a feature but it was implemented.

2. Wardrobe was not essential but it was implemented.

3. PvP and WvW are not Duels, Duels are people being able to have a friendly fight around places in the open world.

4. WvW/PvP isnt balanced thus is pointless? No but that is your logic.

There will NEVER be PvP in the open world as A.Net has said this game was NOT DESIGNED FOR IT. So, they put in a separate area for PvP. This is where you need to go. Don’t like it don’t play.

Arenanet have said if the community really wants dueling that they’d think about it, so suggestions on forums are praised, so GET OVER IT. You don’t like suggestions? then quit the forums.

Rauderi.8706:

kta.6502:

Here’s the positive way to look at this game’s situation: If people really hated this game, they would of left by now.

I wish this were more true. =P

But there’s this emotive flaw of “escalation of commitment” that promotes bad decision-making.
“I put two years into this game, therefore I love it! Anyone who wants to make this game something I don’t want is a [kitten], including ANet!”
That kind of thing.

I am, in some respects, running into that flaw myself. I’ve debating giving it up for a while, but I’m waiting patiently to see what ANet will tell us. Especially since the Feature Pack is eking out. Mm, yummy patience~

4 of my friends played this but have quit and only 1 rarely plays this now. I’m a loyal fan and have stayed with gw2 and been optimistic but im tired of waiting, its been 2 years already, i’ve wanted wvw to be fixed since the start but nothing. Im waiting to see what gets released by the end of the year to decide whether i give up my 2 year loyalty.

Evrae Altana.1295:

Lets call this an open letter to Anet concerning the state of the game.

Guild Wars 2 is nearly 2 years old and people are more and more questioning where the content has gone. Because let’s face it, Living Story is like filling a bucket with a few drops at a time.

And let’s not forget that alot of people would be willing to pay 40 euros for a full expansion that we had during Guild Wars 1 which enjoyed a long lifespan with their vast expansions that added tons of new stuff and that is what players want the most, a fresh breeze that calls out for exploration of tons of new content. Each Living Story update is finished within an hour (unless u count in the finding of every coin in Dry Top).

So let’s face it, Living Story is fun for kicks but nothing beats a large expansion pack and i truly hope you face it fast before the game dies.

We don’t NEED an expansion but we want one, what we need is arenanet to add things we’ve been asking for and do it faster than how they’re releasing things now. If we gotta pay in order to get those things, im fine with that. We just want the things we ask for instead of useless kitten we didnt ask for.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

pigdog.9215:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Scrambles.2604:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

@ Vayne: Im sorry but if you READ what i said, i did specifically say duel and not “battle to the death”. If you’ve ever played WoW when you duel no one dies, they just get down to 1hp and the duel is over, there is no killing lol. Most of the guild wars 2 community is pretty nice. The chances of 2 people dueling that screws your event over and not helping but laughing at you is so small that its not even worth mentioning. Please if you don’t want dueling give a good reason why, hardly anyone is out to laugh at you because you asked for help.

I’ve been to PvP…I’ve seen some of the community there. Most of the PvE community is nice. I suspect it’ll lower that tone of dueling is introduced.

This mentality is why guild wars 2 PvP will never be a big e-sport like WoW or other MMORPGS. It makes no sense to remove a function from the game because people might be sour and be rude, if anyone is rude just mute them or report. Ive been to OS (dueling capital ) a lot and most people there arent rude, so how about you stop assuming the PvP community is toxic because of your bad experiences.

Not implementing something is completely different than removing it. They didn’t implement it. There are places for people to beat each other senseless. Let there be more place. But I don’t really want to be involved in it or deal with the consequences where I play.

And you know, I could be wrong. Maybe everyone who duels is lovely and wonderful and happy and smiling. But you know, I’d rather not take that chance.

You have to plan for the worse. Other games (cough wildstar) have solved these problems. Implement proper reporting/blocking tools, give players the power to block duel requests entirely, and, if it’s still THAT big an issue, create a cooldown on the amount of duel requests you can submit for a period of time.

Or the GW2 solution, bury your head in the sand and scream “No duels! They will ruin our pristine, non-toxic environment, where you get berated in map chat for not knowing events, booted from dungeons from being the wrong class, and called out in game for playing bad while using legendaries—-yes dueling would ruin this game!”

More like “If you want to duel, press a button and/or join a room.”

Just because toxic players already exist does not mean it would be okay to add more.

Then why did they add fractals? People are toxic in that because of resistance rating, but it was added for PvErs. Well Duels are wanted for PvPers, it makes no sense to not add wanted features because people are CAPABLE of being toxic.

Fractals are instances.

Okay then, world bosses? Teq, the worm? people can be toxic because of wipes. It’s open world.

Pifil.5193:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Well, if you look AT THIS FORUM, which is what A.Net could judge by, There are more NEGATIVE and nasty threads than there are constructive or complimentary. What do you expect then?

Are there? The majority of threads in a game forum will be about problems or issues or a suggestion that people have, I don’t think they are “negative” or “nasty” because they are about a complaint. A couple of bad posts should not mark an entire thread as “negative” or “nasty”.

There will be very few threads set up because something went well, if things are going well, you hear very little that’s just the way it is, for example, no-one phones their broadband support-line to say “thanks, everything’s OK.”

That is untrue, i remember when the first feature pack info was released, there was a lot of positivity, compare it to the second feature pack. It’s obvious that players have been loyal to the game and expecting eventually things to be fixed/added. Now that we see the first things being released for the feature pack we go ape kitten, we’ve have no communication and now they’re releasing kitten that we havent been asking for? Ofcourse we’re going to be kittened

kta.6502:

Smokey.7652:

ANet was originally very open about their development, but the vocal negative minority of the community crushed that and forced ANet to be more selective with what they release to the public.

Dev Player communication is a two way street of respect, the community dropped the ball early on and now we have to deal with the consequences of that.

They also have to be quiet for legal reasons too. They can’t promise something until it’s almost time for release.

As for Dev / Player communication, just thank God that we’re not in Japan .I’ve seen fans from Japan have meltdowns when a game is not living up to expectation. What we’re seeing on this forum isn’t all that bad. The community here is alot more tame.

In the US, everything from fast food to medical has its share of complainers. I’ve experienced alot of this and worse in my working life. If everyone quit because of a complaint, the US wouldn’t be operating right now.

Here’s the positive way to look at this game’s situation: If people really hated this game, they would of left by now.

Exactly, which is why a lot of people have, like my 4 friends that played this game then quit within 5 months. Im a loyal fan, i’ve understood the game cannot be perfect after launch but its over 2 years already, i have some expectations just like everyone else dude.