Guild Wars 2

The real cancer that destroys PvP are the balance devs from day 1 tbh. Hopefully Robert Gee can correct the mistakes of Karl Mclain, he is like the hero that we need atm.

There are more specific evil things that exists other than Turret Engi’s, this is simply part of a bigger problem in which ANET allows too many “I screwed up” mechanics to the game.

If you win a 1v2 and people still lose a 4v3 then “Dunning-Kruger” is fair game. Your team is legit bad and you have all the right to complain and be angry because that is an uncarry-able game. Sure it happens, and yeah its better to not rage. But there is no point in continuing a game like that so a surrender button would really help. I know each match only takes around 15 minutes it’s not hard to tell how bad your team is a few minutes in. You people don’t have a clue on how often people lose 4v3s and fail rotate so bad.

It is just that simple. This is why solo que can be such a pathetic joke that should NEVER be taken seriously on ANY game even with the League system getting implemented and “Dunning Kruger” CAN be fair-game if a good player is getting carried downwards by low IQ players.

TL;DR Now I’m not saying Solo Que should not happen, I’m just saying it is just hard to take RNG bs like solo que seriously over TEAM QUES and that Dunning Kruger is fair game if it’s so true anyways.

You seriously called reckless dodge bad. I don’t know what to say.

It cleanses blinds and still hits hard as a DPS spec.

I do agree that Thick skin is bad and versatile power is bad however. Precise strikes isn’t looking so hot either.

People watch my stream instead of wasting time on the Warrior forums.

Most of the people you see on the forums do nothing but the following:

1.) Make bad builds and then complain about Warrior being “bad”
2.) PvE’s all day and think they know what is balanced and what isn’t in PvP
3.) Do nothing but complain instead of improving at the game

It simply isn’t productive and a waste of time. I am simply sick of people complaining and doing absolutely nothing when the balancing right now is great compared to two years ago where complaining was actually a legit thing to do. Considering no one else is gonna try and make a difference, I may as well do so myself and advertise my stream.

Right now, Warrior is balanced. There are a few key facts that support this:

1.) Their skills are VERY rewarding to land. When you land an Earthshaker, Skull Crack, fear me or pin down, it is almost guaranteed that people will burn a defensive cool down causing them to be more and more vulnerable to team mates and yourself. To make this balanced, they do not have reliable instant cast skills other than Fear Me. This is without considering how decent Warrior DPS is for the combos that they can do for when they land their skills.
2.) Warriors bait dodges hard. Why? Look at #1.
3.) Warriors gets their dodges baited just as hard as they bait other people’s dodges hard. Why? They don’t really have evades incorporated into their skills, they can’t actually attack while they evade unless they use Whirlwind Slash.
4.) Because it’s also easy to bait a Warriors endurance dodge, in turn their defensive cool downs are very easy to bait out as well. When a Warrior is stunlocked, they cannot cast defensive skills like Guardian blinds or Mesmer Distortion. But this is perfectly fine because it’s highly possible to bait other classes cool downs as you use yours as you attack.

Defining a good Warrior is based on how they land their attacks and how aggressively they can use their even their defensive cool downs. If they cannot land their skills, and in turn complain, then re-roll is the option here.

I could go on and on on why Warrior is balanced. But I’ll simply get to the point and say,

TL;DR please watch my stream and stop wasting time on the Warrior forums.

twitch.tv/blacktruth009

P.S For when you watch my stream and in turn manage to find the resolve to do crazy plays and builds, keep these words in mind:

“Don’t be afraid, and never look back.”

Because guess what? You’re playing a class that’s meant to be played aggressively. Aggression in this game definitely takes skill though specially on Warrior.

Nah, because then “Rampage” would be too op and zero counterplay if you nerf that.

Decent guide but he doesn’t ever talk about variations. There will be times where Fear Me won’t help and you have to take endure pain.

There will be times where Banner is just flat out risky and taking Rampage is just better to delay better and counter pressure better. Sigil-wise, while geo-doom is standard on bow but sword doesn’t have to be intel/battle or energy/intel, sword set is much more flexible.

Nothing realistically beats d/d ele atm more than half the time. The most reliable one is probably cele necro but necros are easy to gank in spvp. But Warrior CAN beat d/d ele even though the match up favors d/d ele.

Basically you want to bait out armor of earth AND mistform during normal mode and then you want to finish them off with rampage. As you are baiting out armor of earth and, you DO NOT want to take damage so you want to use endure pain and berserker stance while you’re baiting out a d/d ele’s cool downs.

But as simple as that may sound, it isn’t easy fighting d/d ele because if how easy it is to play one. You REALLY want to land your high casting times such as Skull Crack/Hundred Blades/Whirling Axe/Earth Shaker or anything that can bait out their cool downs for that matter. But then you have to deal with burning speed evade and blinding ashes, it literally is NOT an L2P issue and it is definitely widely accepted that d/d ele takes no skill. Even then it is possible to beat it, it just isn’t easy.

TL;DR if armor of earth and/or mistform is down, then Warrior can kill d/d ele.

Thief will probably be able to hold a point a little bit better but maybe daredevil will more-so actually allow thief to duel better bruisers better.

Obviously Warrior Guard Ele are the best point holders right now in the game and I don’t think Thief should be able to do that better.

I’m wondering if being able to potentially 6 dodging while dealing damage and gaining initiative/endurance is gonna be potentially hazardous for the game though. Some people may say “it’s a team game” but duels actually matter in conquest so I don’t think that argument holds any water.

I’m thinking the Jumper build may come back and kitten people off tbh.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Saiyan.1704:

Eles beings this tool out every 10s… you can imagine its AoE usefulness now.

Nobody uses RoF every 10s, you would have to skip several skills just for this.

Sad part is they can. Can’t believe the ele main doesn’t know how his own class works. Basically in a team fight if you ring of fire and people pay attention to that, that’s a good dodge bait and if people don’t dodge then gg 3 stacks of burning every time you go in and out.

Point though is, ANET needs to nerf this BS so the game will be balanced.

Energy is still stupidly strong, btw.

Not really. None of the classes are bottom tier, everything atm is really useful for the team. It’s just that D/D ele is just too powerful atm. On Warrior you just have to be good at simple rotations and you have to be good on stun lock builds which require high casting times.

People complaining about Warrior “sucking” was never good at any build that wasn’t hambow or shoutbow anyways. I wouldn’t find them credible at all.

Knighthonor.4061:

For the elite specialization, assuming no two classes get the same new skill type,

what skill type remaining that you dont want?

NO AI’s please, don’t ever suggest AI’s like spirit weapons or phantasms or anything like turret engi.

Survival makes sense. “Conjure” might make sense I think and Glyph. Kits somewhat doesn’t make sense but if they had the technology to integrate a 3rd weapon through that mechanic then so be it. Venom sounds decent. Gadget? Too many things that are already ruled out if they’re not using the same thing over and over.

Too many key presses doesn’t mean it’s the hardest thing in the world. You have to look at it in practice and in result.

Take D/D Ele for example, they have 10 million evades via perma-vigor, burning speed, updraft. They are so tanky because they have weakness, earth 2, high protection uptime, and has easy escapes and has access to z-axis teleport.

There is absolutely no trade-off to playing D/D Ele even though they “require” you to press many buttons. And because “they don’t have many trade-offs,” D/D Ele fits in the easy and effective category and is just cancer because it forces the enemy to make harsh choices in rotations.

The root of the problem is “easy and effective.”

ArrDee.2573:

Conquest was designed for casuals by casuals!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Nah. Never was and never will be a “casual” game mode.

If it was “casual” it would be like Arena in smite where all you focus on is killing, winning team fights, and the side-objectives are very minimal. But it isn’t, it requires map awareness and rotation knowledge, two KEY things that a “casual” will most likely not have.

Conquest is NOT a casual game mode. Believe me.

GS isn’t good. Axe/Mace is the better DPS set-up for when you’re good at the class.

PvE I don’t know why people are worked up.

I don’t get why Fire/air is at fault when there’s still Energy and on swap. I just don’t understand why people can’t understand that nerfing that specific group will just make the other group stronger.

Doon.2364:

Purple Miku.7032:

Banners and phalanx strength are essentially all the warrior is used for in groups so if they aren’t complying with bringing what they’re expected to from you, you should probably just kick them…

What a horrible mindset that creates a toxic community. If it’s a pug run, the players should play whatever build they want. It’s a game not a job.

I don’t understand why “PvE” is such a big deal when this game’s PvE is horrible. People literally think every second of clear time matters on a game which isn’t about speed runs but farming skins?

Playing a non-meta spec will only work if you have experience AND your build makes sense, I agree. New players will most likely have to obey the meta and sometimes even competitive players against certain match ups.

You don’t understand how often I get people in solo que who play Warrior and use Signet of Fury, which is like extremely bad no matter what you do.

If they nerf Mesmer, Rampage has to be nerfed no question. If Rampage gets nerfed, then burning has to get nerfed. If they nerf burst in general then everyone just plays bunkers that deal damage.

Nerfing atm in a whackamole way will trigger a bunch of necessary nerfs that need to happen. Pay attention to the word whackamole though.

Give them a soldiers amulet build but make sure it isn’t braindead op like Hambow was.

I don’t know, maybe buff mantras or something without making it broken?

Decent trait choices for the weapon set, it’s just that STR > ARMS and Rampage > SoR even with the nerf.

I feel like the vulnerability from the mace trait just gets cleansed way too easily. But yeah, what I’d like to point out is that.. people underestimate the hammer auto + Frenzy. That actually hits like a truck and the build is really nice for baiting dodges while helping the team land hits.

Plausible build, just that you need to put STR instead of ARMS and Rampage instead of SoR. You have too much adrenaline gain as is with burst mastery and zerk stance alone.

PvE-wise

I don’t understand why people are so worked up over this. PvE takes no skill and anyone can PvE. Why even bother when PvE end game is Fashion Wars 2? There’s no “challenging raids” PvE is just a grind for skins atm.

PvP-wise

It’s a matter of game knowledge and mechanics, people refuse to understand that “team support” doesn’t only have to be boons, it’s about kill set up and kill potential too. The thing is Warrior requires mechanics (excluding shoutbow) now that the Hambow era is over. If people want easy mode go play other classes like Guard/Ranger, if people complain about how bad it is in PvP “without going shoutbow” then stop complaining and get better really.

glock.6590:

crit strikes thief= high risk high reward
panic strike thief= medium risk medium reward
S/D thief= low risk low reward

Isint that how it should be? Why do people QQ. Crit strikes is still good but its just hard to play in this meta thats why nobody plays it. Its much better to play an easier build and do something for your team instead of being downstate food and then claim that your hard build is not viable anymore.

Edit: Also nothing is more braindead than a shoutbow warr or a turret engi. If they nerf panic strike cuz it was ‘’too easy to play’ then LOL are you kittening serious.

Nothing is also more braindead than d/d ele and cele engi. Shoutbow is only 5% harder than those two specs because it can’t handle chain CC gank.

Cele engi? You don’t need to land grenades from max range anymore, all you do is hard bait dodges and then you CC chain people to death with your instant cast overcharge and frame-eater slick shoes which can’t be evaded, blocked AND eats through stability stacks. And if you get focused? Just use slick shoes stun break jumping puzzle every 23 seconds, get vampirism runes and 16 second gear shield, gg.

D/D Ele? Getting focus fired? Just spam mobility, heals, stun breaks and z-axis teleports and call it skill. In a 1v1 against someone? Just spam protection fire breath ice breath and block projectiles with earth attune #2. Like even S/F ele is braindead now that they buffed z-axis.

Panic strike is more balanced than any of those because at least Thief as a class just takes more skill than any meta crap that Ele or Engi has. Thief at least dies to random cleave and can’t have perma-vigor or protection up-time.

TL;DR Karl Mclain for president, and Jon Peters for vice president mistress secretary.

Warrior isn’t simple unless it’s shoutbow really.

Go play Guardian or Ranger, those are probably the easiest classes to start with.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

30 s is too long.
lets make it 20 s shall we?

Healing Surge
1 s Activation time 20 s cooldown
“Heal yourself and regain all adrenaline.”
“heal: 7,820 (1.50)”

I like this.

I’ll put mine too.

level 0 level 1 level 2 level 3 keep them all the same, but turn it into a 1/4 second casting time and make it a 25 second cool down.

Now there’s a reason to pick that over defiant stance even though it might still need help at that point for glassy builds.

You mean how DoD almost won a place in WTS with an S/F ele? C’mon man, burst ele is viable. You can’t ask for buffs on this crap when you can just abuse z-axis teleport, an invuln every 45 seconds, and have the best burst in the game with the “apparent” phoenix bug where it hits 7 times.

That’s just not good mayne.

Nerf all 3 at the same time? I’m sold.

This guy is a god among mortals.

Now if only stow weapon would get nerfed to the ground..

Balancing is a problem. For example, a build that can duel shouldn’t be able to handle plus/gank. Look at D/D ele and Cele Engi, just so braindead broken. At least the meta version of shoutbow is easy to gank compared to these duel/cele builds.

Bad decisions in getting casuals into the game such as Turret Engi when the proper way to get casuals into the game is to make Courtyard into a separate que. You could argue that they don’t have the technology to make it a separate que to attract casuals to spare them from knowing how to rotate, but still it’s just such a bad decision to keep it like this.

It’s really just the bad decision making is the root of the problem from arena net’s side.

The reason why shoutbow is balanced compared to other cele builds is because delaying a point with it is near impossible. It has no stability and it can’t really get protection on demand unless people are stupid enough to give you vulnerability without keeping track of your warhorn skills.

Shoutbow also gets destroyed by all-in rush down ganks. Because again, you don’t have super mobility like Ele, you don’t have protection on demand, and fear me is a 48 second cool down which can be CONDI CLEANSED. That means it can be stun broken by team mates cleansing it for you.

Look at what Ele and Engi can do on the other hand.

Engi can just use slick shoes which is probably one of the easiest CC to land in the game to delay a point and peel for himself. Doesn’t help that Engi can also get protection injection, a 16 second shield, and crate.

Ele can use ride the lightning, teleport, and fire GS to escape and reposition to make delaying a point better. Not to mention ridiculous protection up-time and decent condi clear.

The only thing shoutbow has over the cele specs is that they cleanse condis better and they heal team mates better. That’s about it, at least they’re easy to kill because all you have to do is count their dodges and bait their cool downs hard. Ele and Engi on the other hand, you have to pay attention to so many things it’s aggravating. Like Ele and Engi can dodge focus fire harder than shoutbow can and still be strong in their own way.

This guy is literally crying about Necro GS? They don’t have evades, they don’t have mobility, they have higher casting times, they are ALL-IN.

GS Warrior atm is fine tbh, it’s just that the lack of creativity and mechanics on the Warrior forums is ridiculous.

Elegie.3620:

Aside from using it with a control skill or in cleaving down players, I also use it in double exchanges, against classes that have long bursts (e.g. GS guardian, Whirling thieves, other GS warriors…) – making sure Endure Pain or Rousing Resilience is up before the exchange.

We have a winner. Here’s one guy who ACTUALLY has an idea on how to land hits without CC.

Obviously depending on when you use it, HB with no CC can be used to bait dodges. If they dodge HB then you can land something else right during the time period where they are recovering the next endurance dodge.

You people keep saying “oh cele necro destroys d/d ele in 1v1s”

But this is what you people are forgetting, Cele necro can’t escape a gank without Plague form and D/D ele has easy mode mobility.

Cele necro is easy to gank, it can definitely take around 10 seconds max in a top tier game if the Cele necro doesn’t have plague form up. D/D ele doesn’t need fiery greatsword to escape a gank and they have easy mode evade spams on top of their escapes and they can handle a 1v2 better.

TL;DR D/D ele still deserves to get nerfed, specificially their damage with all that easy mode tankiness and sustain that they already have.

online.1278:

since this weapon set only attack single target, what is your intend and purpose? Maybe dueling?

I just honestly wonder why using it for which purpose. I know mace is good at bunkering though, but if you are not bunker warrior, why use it?

Thank you

Mace is great in team fights too? If you stun a guy in a team fight he’s as good as dead. Just because it’s a single target stun that doesn’t mean it isn’t made for team fights.

The difference between Hammer and Mace is really with mace you can take a shield and last LONGER on a point.

Both are made for team fights because THEY HAVE STUNS. Your job is to bait out cool downs and make people easy to kill for your team on Mace Warrior or ANY Warrior with a stun build for that matter. It sounds simple and easy sure, but you have to be good at landing high casting times, duh.

And to answer your other question, yes you CAN use mace as a zerker spec AND can hold a point but be prepared to play one of the hardest builds in the game.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6269321
http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6259903

TL;DR ANET is bad at making balancing decisions.

BurrTheKing.8571:

BlackTruth.6813:

BurrTheKing.8571:

One thing I would like to hear from both of you then, why would you run something like this over a DPS focused Teef, Ranger, or Mes? Those classes have DPS in addition to sustain in the form of avoiding being hit in the first place.

A pure DPS rifle does comparable damage but is way more vulnerable with your loadouts. I would rather deal a little less damage but have the ability to stay on point with the OPTION to fall back and snipe. GS is also good for cleaving on downed enemies for obvious reasons.

sPvP
Because Warrior can function as Tank or DPS even when played as a DPS.

Warrior is one of the very few DPS’ers who can handle “plus” and stand on a point. Rifle’s job on DPS Warrior is to make baiting dodges easier and make them more vulnerable to your team mates and your own Frenzy chop. And deal with stealth I suppose.

I would agree, but the lack of condi removal on a pure DPS rifle build like those above would simply crumble vs any condi build. At least with Zerk Stance, Mel runes, and Brawler’s Recovery you’ll be able to at least stave off the condis until you kill them first.

In fact, even my build might not have enough defense and something like this would be better.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6099867

Screw the lack of condi clear, just out-damage people and count cool downs and dodges better.

The mind set needs to be different specially when you’re playing DPS Warrior compared to shout bow.

If you’re buffing Rangers, give them something that takes skill to land such as Skull Crack right now. A class should NEVER been looked down upon as a skill-less in all the times it’s been brought up.

Everyone said Rangers were braindead when Trap Ranger was the meta. It’s because it was just so true.
Everyone said Rangers were braindead and taught bad habits when Spirit Ranger was the meta. It’s because it was just so true.

I heard Ranger in GW1 had spike that took REAL skill to land, so why can’t they bring that into the game as well? Like I don’t know make it so Ranger can actually cast the pet skills by themselves such as the knockdown from the dog (Lone druid style from dota) but cut their evades and give them telegraphed damage?

Mixed ques is really just a band-aid to a larger problem where sPvP IS DEAD.

Separate ques will work if sPvP was alive, which is OBVIOUSLY not and is a much bigger problem.

All you’re doing is really asking for more band-aids to be honest, really uninnovative suggestions. Like templates won’t bring sPvP to life, all it will do is make it a little convenient but that’s it.

kylwilson.9137:

ArrDee.2573:

But then how will I be able to log out when Skyhammer/Spirit Watch/Courtyard pops!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Well VeeWee, No. 1 Engi NA and world first rank 80 & No. 1 Frandliest person NA, I guess you’ll just have to stay playing like No. 1 Engi NA and world first rank 80 &
No. 1 Frandliest person NA, and not straight up leave everyone for dead!

This is one of the main reasons why dishonor was introduced in the first place! I guess it’s all a part of participating like a good team member!

Wahoo!!

Bye frand!

Better not que unranked then, next time this guy may get aids and die permanently just from fighting five entangles but will be fine vs. five slick shoes.

At least it isn’t D/D Ele Signet abuse..

darres.8203:

is this game really that unpopular you can’t find other players from the pool?

Yes, sadly. Good game that’s gone to shambles because of flawed people taking care of it.

^
Shoutbow isn’t exactly a real bunker either because the best way to play it is.. not as a Bunker, but as a pseudo-carry.

If it was so good at bunkering then why is shoutbow so easy to decap and has a hard time dodging focus fire compared to Ele and Engi?

Right now the only viable point holder is really Ele.

It’s called L2 abuse z-axis teleport, l2 Line of Sight. Slick Shoes, Blind Spam, Weakness, Aegis, Jumping Puzzle.

It’s really pathetic that people can’t even L2P against something that is legit L2P.

If you want to complain about something, complain about frame-eaters like Slick Shoes or D/D Ele. Don’t fix something that isn’t broken.

Oh and it’s not like Rampage and Lich Form is instant cast, interrupt them before they use it? Or make it so that they don’t wanna use it? Not to mention when they DO get into Rampage and Lich form, you can literally just tank them if you were good, which you aren’t.

Rifle’s like okay right now. But okay isn’t enough. I think Mace is borderline OP when you’re good with it just because it’s so well-designed. It’s balanced right now because it can be hard to play under certain circumstances.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6269321

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6259903

For reference.

If Rifle could do something of equal caliber that would be great. They probably could make “crack shot” a built-in thing so you don’t have to trait for Rifle. That would be a big buff but that would make Rifle have a place without making it broken.

Axe/mace or Axe/shield + GS. In arms, you take the signet of might at 25% hp, unsuspecting foe for 100% crit evis and rampage 100% crit when you land the boulder, and then you take Dual Wield mastery or 100% crit chance on burst skill. STR ARMS DISC. GS can definitely go full glass-cannon because of evade and mobility.

Problem is, builds STR DEF DISC are just strong as hell. I can see ARMS DEF DISC working for Mace + Hammer, sure. Maybe even hambow.

No offense to people who say “Warrior is nothing without rampage” but stop being ignorant L2P. The profession is working as intended, it punishes people who only plays easy mode weapon sets like GS and rewards people who knows how to be useful outside Rampage via stunlocking Mace MH/OH or timing Hammer skills better for example. Hell even GS isn’t so bad outside of rampage, people just want easy mode hambow and shoutbow to come back which is not a good way to balance the game.

The way Warrior works is that it survives by LANDING high casting times. People just refuse to learn how things work. Warrior’s role becomes way more flexible once you understand how certain weapon sets work such as Mace/Shield for example. If I go Mace/Shield Axe/Mace as an example, I can both stand on point and save cap and then tell my team mates to disengage as I save cap or I can choose to use my cool downs for kills and cleave because I LEARN TO LAND HIGH CASTING TIMES instead of complaining about the class or being ignorant about certain mechanics in the game. It isn’t simple a one trick pony, there is complexity within it’s so-called “simplicity.”

Here’s an example: http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6259903 a combo which can kill people with no rampage. I could even do this combo without bulls charge, np. http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6452625

How do you land this combo? Of course, learn to count dodges and learn to wait out defensive cool downs. Ofc it gets more complex vs. evade spam classes, but it CAN be done. Just need to know where the evade frame ends.

Also you can argue that “Oh this guy is using so many high cool downs.” But that is FAIR. High risk and high reward against good players. If I miss a zerker stance burst, then I should be punished. If I don’t bait out 2-3 dodges and a cool down when zerker stance is down, then I should be punished. The same principles should be applied to classes like Mesmer and Ele though. I think those two are just over the top atm.

My point is, Warrior right now is balanced. It rewards good players and bad players just should re-roll to easier specs like Guardian in general or D/D ele.

Like right now the only real problem is D/D ele. And blind spam doesn’t only screw Warrior, it screws other classes too. Once those gets toned down properly, Warrior won’t need anything, I promise. The worst thing that ANET could possibly do is make Warrior broken again by listening and spoonfeeding people who don’t ever want to L2P or are just flat out ignorant of the Warrior skill cap.

In fact if ANET wants to balance around based off effort? I’d say take notes around Warrior and Necro tbh. Hell even Thief and Engi is fine.

TL;DR Please do not make Warrior broken just because people are bad at landing high casting times and are ignorant of what Warrior can do.