Guild Wars 2

Kreen.3925:

Don’t know about anyone else but I miss Fiesty’s score updates in these T1 threads. Can someone be creative and do some nice score update in game poses aka Fiesty please.

I would do it myself but I know I would fail at it

Sorry. All the creative score shots are in our match thread. We even have Gary Busey posting score updates!

mattenthehat.8705:

Jayne.9251:

Possibly the same way? It’s been implied that season two (if it happens) won’t happen until next year at earliest.

Interesting, I had not heard that before. Do you by chance have a source for that information? Personally I’m really enjoying the current system. To have the competition between the different servers in each bracket as well as the long-term goal of winning your bracket really increases the excitement of the matches, at least in my opinion. I feel like they really mean something now, whereas before, while they were fun, I did not ACTUALLY care much about whether we won or lost. Just my personal opinion though.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Matchmaking-Post-Season-1/first#post3087056

Season 2 will be sometime in 2014, assuming they do it again.

From the looks of things this may the lowest change in rating in T1 ever. I guess we’re all performing as Mr. Glicko expected. Congrats on being average guys! (cracks a beer)

Great. We’ve devolved to server labels again. Ah well Pvp, I know that wasn’t your intention heh. Speaking of which, I’m liking the new and improved forum persona of Pvp.2758. Turned over a new leaf?

I see TW is making new friends again. How sweet!

Daximus.8547:

I think they need to get rid of the anonymity of opponents in WvW…creating rivalries and knowing your opponents helps add to server pride. Nameless enemies are hurting the game IMO.

As well as greatly reducing individual griefing. No player names is a necessary evil in my opinion, and being able to see guild tags is enough to create the required rivalry.

Kiijj.3594:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwD0mWdCnNI

Tonight has been quite possibly the most epic night ever in SoR history.

Good watch. Those crazy Garri defenses can be fun sometimes. Who was the commander on TS? James? I thought I saw a Choo tag on the commander but I’m not really familiar with SoR commanders outside of a few notables. Good energy though I liked it.

Also, you missed your 3rd floor jump. You’re fired.

Something that has bugged me for a long time about the downed system in WvW is the fact that one single death can rally all downed players within range for the enemy team. I personally think it’s a poor game mechanic and to a certain extent limits build and gear diversity in WvW. The fear of rallying zergs is pigeonholing players into mostly PVT gear which, while this may be a good thing overall, may not be the best for game play and build/stat diversity.

A thought I had that might alleviate this would be a one down, one up mechanic, where a killed/spiked player would only rally one downed enemy player nearby, which could be random or based on range (closest downed player to the player killed would rally). Would something like this be possible to code into the game? Better yet, would players prefer this over the current mechanic?

Obsidian.1328:

Wait a minute…

…there are still players out there that think getting first in points means they are the best pvp server?

lulz

I don’t believe anyone said or implied that in this thread.

Shifty.4985:

Why should SoR bother competing, before it was fun to but now even JQ dont want to compete with BG, pathetic that Anet didnt lock the servers

Last week several forum frequenters from SoR stated that BG had little or no chance to beat them 1v1. In fact, I’d go so far as to say the politics of the week 1 match basically assumed as much. I understand the advantage a guild like ZDs offers a server, but you are basically saying this one single guild turned things from almost guaranteed to totally hopeless? I don’t mean this as a jab but with all due respect, that seems like an overly defeatist attitude to me. I mean, you guys didn’t seem to have any problem with numbers when you were triple way pointing BGBL a couple weeks ago in the very same matchup as this.

Still, I fully expect SoR to rally up hard next week. It’s what you guys do and I wouldn’t expect any less from you. See you on Friday night.

Chris.3290:

1000th post, and nothing important said, let’s set a record!

You cut me deep Chris.

Fuzzion.2504:

Liquid.9672:

Fuzzion.2504:

I have never heard of or seen BT. Someone update us SEA/Oceanic folks pls.

EST (mostly) NA guild. Very solid guild and great folks. Transferred to BG from FA awhile back. Celebrity figure Quenta is in the guild. That about sums it up I think.

Nice. But who is Quenta?

Gasp! Funny dude. Search YouTube. “Respawn Maybe” is one of my favorites.

Hoots.9564:

Hmm more damage control for BG? Vodka has successfully posted 13 of the 26 posts on this page, all within the last hour. I guess the fact there NA has become a non-factor has made them defensive.

Damage control? Vodka is one person, expressing his views, and in doing so he speaks for himself, not for any server. None of us are the all mighty speakers of our respective servers.

Wow Jedahs. Trying to recruit the OP, who plays in a time zone where your server is already strong, from a server of which you’re already receiving a huge influx of WvW focused NA guilds, effectively crippling it. Have a little tact maybe eh? Talk a about lack of class.

Zikory.6871:

What does the amount of people on a server matter when there is a cap on how many people can be in a WvW zone at a time? If that is the only issue why doesn’t anet lower the cap on the maps till skill lag is resolved? Maybe skill lag isn’t 100% a population issue…Maybe this is another QQ stacked servers thread?

This is spot on. The number of active WvWers on a server is irrelevant when there are caps on each map. The only way to realistically spread out the player base would be to reduce those caps. However, Anet tried this late last year, and the result was no meaningful improvement in skill lag while also adding in some glaring issues with their queue system as queues shot up for many servers and some very angry and frustrated players.

Here is what Mike Ferguson said about it in an interview back in February …

We generally try to avoid changing the [map] limits as it greatly impacts the game, but it is one of the things we can manually adjust to help us evaluate our changes when they go live. After the last patch we tried reducing the limit quite a bit more than what has been typical for the last few months to see if we could ease some of the lag issues players experience during some of the larger fights around Stonemist, but changed it back after a few days because we didn’t see a major improvement and it was just too detrimental to the game.

Later regarding queues …

Queues do indeed behave in a strange manner. Unfortunately, I don’t have any more news about that as it does boil down to resources. It’s a fixable problem, but we need some time from a very specialized type of programmer for that job and they’re all currently busy with other tasks.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/196tgh/jeuxonlineinfo_made_an_interview_with_mike/

Anet basically painted themselves into a corner on this issue, and the only real option they have at this point is to increase server processing capacity or find a way to reduce processing lag with engine/code improvements. The simple fact remains however that one should expect that the game should operate flawlessly within the currently set map population limits. It’s doesn’t, but Anet can’t lower the limits without causing a large uproar from a good chunk of the WvW playerbase. It’s quite the problem.

Yep it’s been reported by Necros for awhile now, with no acknowledgement from Anet that I’m aware of. That one second without being able to trigger a heal can sometimes mean the difference between living and dying. It’s pretty annoying.

Unless one of JQ’s opponents gives up and stays that way over two or three matches, or Anet changes the formula for rating calculations, there will not be a new T1 server for quite a long time. There is simply no way to close the gap on 100 rating without blowouts in both matches (100k+ win for #4 and 100k+ loss for #3 over a few weeks). SoR knew this, which is why they milked off SBI’s rating over two matches instead of one then moved up just in time to not face Kaineng. KN held the potential to lock them into T2 even longer and they weren’t about to let that happen if they could help it. It was not a surprise to see so many of their players vehemently against the rating reset.

Although, after playing in this T2 match, it now makes me wonder why. This match has been awesome, both in game and in this thread. I far prefer this to the T1 mess, where SoS is coming to grips with it’s fall from the top spot which is bringing out the “scoreboard warriors”, SoR trying to get the recognition and acceptance they feel they always deserved, and JQ having to fend off constant cries about being stacked and unbeatable. The T1 thread has been painful to read so far this week, while the T2 thread might be the best match thread ever.

My 2 cents.

Raven Paradox.1860:

So I got back from a backpacking trip and log in to see SoR is red and we’re fighting BG and JQ again. Huge disappointment. No hate against those servers, but some of the best guilds that really challenge you are on lower tiered servers and it’d be nice to fight them for once rather than the same enemies for 3 months straight.

Yeah I’m sure those lower tier servers would really enjoy that.

covenn.7165:

Except that didn’t happen. The same people playing then are the same people playing now.

The straight truth is this:

The difference is we aren’t fighting against fully painted BLs full of T3 structures now due to IRONs work. Back then we spent most of our NA playtime just getting back on equal footing….. anyone who has played this game for a while should understand the impact of that.

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you here covenn, to an extent. From my observations, it was a combination of both. The presence of IRON certainly had a positive effect in PPT by slicing off a chunk of the hill your EST NA needed to climb each night, but I also observed a noticeable increase in SoR players on the maps and for longer periods of time. Prior to IRON, you would notice when SoR NA went to bed. After IRON, that became much less noticeable if not completely absent. Seriously, it was almost night and day. I play late PST, so I would often observe this transition the past many months.

Anyways, I’m not trying to argue over semantics here, but I wanted to point out that I don’t believe for one minute that SoR’s surge in score performance was all due to one factor. There was definitely a morale/motivation/fairweather effect, like there is for all servers.

Brutus.5732:

Shifty.4985:

That guild had every right to do what they did imo and idc if they are TC/JQ/BG/SOR or whatever. Karma trains are a privilege.

If IRON started chasing around a BG karma train I would call you feminine hygiene products as well.

I agree that anyone has the right to act like a kitten but you should expect to be called out as a kitten.

You’re welcome to your opinion of course, but in my eyes, just because a group doesn’t adhere to your views on reset day protocol it doesn’t make it wrong.

Habib Loew.6239:

I should clarify here again that the culling fix will have minimal impact on skill lag. Skill lag happens because the server too busy to process everything that’s happening (e.g. it’s at 100% CPU). The removal of culling addresses issues experienced by the client but those changes don’t really impact the skill lag situation. They are fundamentally different problems that will need different solutions.

Do you guys have some information on what is causing the higher server resource utilization? I’d have to think that there are less players in the game and/or in WvW than there were at launch, and during the first few weeks we had some servers with almost 24/7 queues, yet no regular skill lag was reported.

It just doesn’t make sense unless something you added to the game after launch is causing it (like the guesting function for example).

Kreen.3925:

I name that server BlackHoleGate though. Where on earth are they putting all these guilds? They get a bunch of transfers, I see them on the field for a few weeks and then they dissapear. Something very fishy is going on over there, Anet should be calling in the feds.

This has been kept under wraps, until now. I can’t live with the guilt any longer. The fact is, Blackgate has a dirty secret. Behind the scenes, we are nabbing all the new transfers, taking them down through the heavily guarded Blackgate and to the depths of the earth where we are harvesting their brains and fusing them all together to form a “super brain”. Once it’s ready, this “super brain” will rise through the depths and embed itself right in these very forums, where it will begin to respond to trolls and in turn troll our competitors at a level so incredible and downright heinous that our competitors will explode from within.

So there you have it. Ah it felt good to get that off my chest.

Great times on SorBL tonight. I hit my badge goal for the week in just 5 hours so the rest of the week is a bonus! I’ll take nights like tonight over any day last week. Keep bringing the fun and thanks all!

LetoII.3782:

Mance.5640:

Our goal is to flip BG’s keep in EB nightly.

The little hacker you had under the ground killing all of our siege last night delaying the inevitable will just cause it to happen every night next week as well =(

The one with the [RUIN] tag?
We saw him under blue keep one day :/

No. It was a different guild tag. One I had never seen before. Doesn’t make it better, but I thought I’d clarify. I’ll be keeping an eye out but it’s kind of a needle in a haystack.

“Beat it, or I’ll call the brute squad! I’m on the brute squad. You ARE the brute squad!”

Aieo.2815:

Edit: Sorry SoR for stealing ratings away from you! BG is now ahead of you in 2 points ratings.

Nothing to be sorry about IMO. Anyone with even an ounce of sense knows that ranking in this case holds little meaning right now. No matter what the Glicko ratings say at the end of this week, SoR is still the #1 ranked NA server until the day comes that another server beats them heads up.

Keep in mind a couple of things. ZDs was approached a good while ago from what I understand (I wasn’t involved). It was Season 1 and heavy EU queues that got them considering alternatives. They took a look, remembered their dialog with BG, saw that they would likely get to face off against IRON for 3 weeks, and decided playing (short or no queues) is better than not playing (long queues).

At the time they were approached, and I would argue even leading into Season 1, BG had a coverage hole it felt it needed to fill, which was SEA to EU. MERC had been covering the hole admirably for months, but overextending will wear on anyone, and ultimately it led to their decision to transfer to JQ where they could get the SEA support going into Season 1.

Also about morale. While BG had a bit of a morale boost after the first week win, many of us were very aware that Season 1 politics played a good sized part in that win. To be frank, while we maintained a very positive outlook on our chances, I think deep down there was a good chunk of us that really questioned whether we could beat SoR 1v1 or not. However, as of about midnight server time on Sunday night (turning into Monday) we started to surge and hit 400 PPT at 1am. Then the next morning the news broke that ZDs was going to begin transferring. Even though ZDs hadn’t even moved over yet, our surge plus that news lit a morale fire, and by midnight on Monday we had closed SoR’s lead to 2k. The mentality changed from “hmm I’m not sure” to “hell yeah we got this”. The next morning ZDs transferred and the rest is history. SoR’s morale fell while BG’s surged, and participation and effort moved in opposite directions for each server. BG played more and longer, while SoR played less and shorter (generalizing here).

My point is, all of us in T1 are “stacked”. Particularly when compared to other servers. People that play on those servers must look at our use of the word and think we’re all on crack. Winning at this point is determined who cares about it the most for the longest stretch of time.

Aurust.8961:

oxide.8324:

Zen.8497:

aelflune.8590:

Yeah, we can’t really complain, although it makes the whole SoR shtick about looking for good fights look lame as well.

SoR is looking for good fights but that can only happen if your opponents meet you halfway. Bring it on and we will have only good fights.

we do have good fights

To bad the only way we have been getting them is to ease up a bit and let them cap some stuff so they don’t get completely demoralized.

Or did BG actually think the score was this close for real?

LOL! You heard it here first guys. SoR is mega stacked and has to ease up to not completely blow out the score.

Starscream.7803:

Titan.3472:

Thanks Anet for the good timing on update XD

TITAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have missed you <3 welcome back to the forums, where have you been?

Just don’t.

Jedbacca.6297:

Don’t worry, the real men will be out in a few hours

In that case, where are you going to be?

(you have to admit you walked right into that one)

When Season 1 is over, we’ll be back to semi-randomized matchups based on server ranking. This ranking +/- a random roll tended to create enough variance where all servers would be all three colors before too much time passed. That color variation isn’t happening during the season because of the way the schedule was designed.

DivineBeing.2086:

SoR hates BG with a passion.

Good luck to us.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true, nor is it if stated the other way around. Yes there are some issues between guilds, and yes our servers have a history that is bit … erm, contentious, but I would never agree that the servers on the whole hate each other. SoR’s forum warriors have gotten under my skin in the past, as I’m sure ours has there’s, but I respect their guilds and players.

Torp.3659:

This thread feels like I went over my friends house, but on the way there his parents started fighting and I’m just sitting in the car feeling wicked awkward..

Haha. I can relate. It’s probably very similar to how BG felt in our first entry to T1 back in early November. JQ and SBI really went at it back then.

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Score update with Pain Train Choo [Choo], some BG Dragonriders [DR], and Tempest Wolves [TW]

Lol that looks like a break dance circle. Those DR guys must gave been busting some moves.

Honestly, if you’re not killing more people in WvW than being killed, you’re doing something wrong. I’m pretty bad and die a lot and even I have a 5 to 1 kill to death ratio (which is really bad). Even with those deaths, I always come out with more coin in my pocket than I went in with after repairs.

SirDrygan.1823:

Cool, now how should I play my ele?

The same way, with less damage. Because, Ele damage is so OP you know. I may finally give in and start a Warrior in case this is bad. Uninstalling the game sounds like a reasonable option as well.

CrassBippy.4619:

does anyone actually balance the new PvE runes for WvW? ive given up on WvW having any semblance of balance

fought an ele who was traited to remove cond and he just melted. what a joke

I don’t think they considered Warrior mechanics when they created this, and more importantly, how it might impact WvW.

Maybe I wasn’t imagining things after all. I’ve also noticed a distinct reduction in the amount of bags on the ground after a fight the past couple of nights.

FractalChaos.6539:

At 3:35 PM, we (SoR) have about maybe 20 people in our own BL, and far as I can tell we’re outmanned on all maps. Map chat is dead, team chat is dead, TeamSpeak has maybe 10 -15 people spread across all channels.

I know we don’t have 24h coverage on this server, but I’ve rarely seen it this bad across all maps…

It’s probably just an off day. All servers have them. Also, I have a feeling that the closer we get to the March game update the less players will be motivated to participate in WvW. The logic being something along the lines of “why put in a bunch of effort this week when I can do it next week and start working towards actual rewards”.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/WvW-match-rollover-times/first#post664381

So if you’re in a part of the world that participates in DST, reset will occur one hour later than it did last week.

Edit – I should clarify, the link is from a post when DST last ended. With DST now in effect, it’s basically the opposite of what Habib stated in his post.

salluks.6017:

going by EU tier 1 reset, both the servers other than Vizunah dropped out of tier 1 , one went to tier 3!

Maybe we may not fight each other again after all.

I wouldn’t mind to be honest. It seems we need a break from each other heh. GL and HF in the next match everyone!

Kiexcolo.2416:

When I read this thread I sometimes wonder if I am in the right forum. I mean… why Flava?

I think the better question is … why not?

Jet.4795:

Titan.3472:

Thanks to Waha that just plunder his own server. Props to BG to have JQ working for them . Overall week great fights. And another great week and much fun. Good job on BG for the win. I am once again happy about this match as JQ is 3rd like always. I love JQ being last whatever is going on.
BG and SoR are both on higher level we need a 3rd server that is worth it, JQ times are over and some guilds are leaving them already, and about RATS its a fake transfered guild it has been formed in JQ to make some kind of misinformation to try to get some transfers ^^. We will keep spying JQ. Well I love wvw and JQ whines.
To explain JQ some things, I have been fighting you in BG server for long and I am doing it in SoR now. BG and SoR have some good friends on both servers to take out JQ from T1. Now you know.
:D

Alright you seem to love JQ. Let me correct you, RATS isn’t for to get new transfers it is a place where all the guilds get together a lot of members and guild lords merge in one and learn from each other and work together. I personally love the idea it brings everyone together. JQ may be last now but that does not bother most of us (not saying all of us there are those of course who like to win.) If JQ drops to T2 we will take it in consideration and we will improve. However even if we do well and TC does bad or vice versa we could still drop or go up. There is always that chance of us dropping even if we do well, not really our choice. Keep it classy please we are here to play a game and enjoy.

Ahh Ben. Always a class act on the forums. You’re like a life raft in a sea of kitten . Keep up the good fight my friend.

JaredKincade.9761:

Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.

We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.

As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.

Bah. I play on BG, and I’d say “don’t be so negative”. Yeah, BG hasn’t been the beneficiary of much of the guild movements, but there have been a couple here and there and some individual players. There’s also still 5 days until free transfers end and anything can happen. Yes we will drop to T2 but it’s not the end of the world. We’ve been there before, and I’m confident we’ll see T1 again at some point. I’m personally excited to see some new servers in T2.

Sure SoR hit the lottery, and were in the right place at the right time, but in my opinion they earned it. Until last week they hadn’t won a match in 10 weeks, yet they never dropped a rank spot. Was it due to lack of any other competition? Maybe to a small degree, but it was mainly because they kept coming out every week even though they knew they were going to lose. They could have just quit at any time, but they didn’t. The same can be said for BG, who so far has been the only server kicked out of T1 that has not yet dropped below T2 (not counting SBI but, well, we know what’s going to happen … sorry).

Anyhoo my point is, there’s no reason to be bitter over the situation. With effort and confidence, things have a way of working out.

Cottage Pie.6215:

~rocks gently back and forth~

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

…or drop to tier 6.

That’s crazy talk. It’s only ever happened to every former Tier 1 server. History? Pffft.

Except BG. Twice.

It’s because Anet, for some unfathomable reason, still hasn’t tied transfer costs to average WvW participation, something I suggested many months ago. Having it based on total server population is completely meaningless and ineffective.

DevonCarver.5370:

The mats will absolutely drop in WvW. In addition, generally speaking, we are putting a heavier emphasis on finding long-term solutions to redressing the reward imbalance between PvE and WvW. I can’t claim they will ever be 100% equal all the time, but we would like it to never be the case that you are choosing between playing WvW and getting good rewards. The two should be one in the same.

The weird thing Devon is that there appears to be a disconnect at Anet between the people in direct contact with the player community and the people who make reward balance decisions. I hate to keep bringing this up, but I was pretty vocal about a statement Colin made about WEXP reward chests and “a lot more ectos”. As we’ve seen, his statement was a marathon length away from reality. I’ve literally created 10 times more ectos from a bit of PVE since Champ chests were introduced than the same or larger time investment in WvW. It’s as if Colin expected it to be like that, but someone else didn’t.

Hopefully this does get corrected sooner rather than later. I’ve personally seen WvW participation take a hit recently (myself included for a variety of reasons) due largely to the August PVE content and players not wanting miss the gold rush.

Meh I don’t care really. It’s their game account and cash/gold. JQ didn’t have any queues anyways from what I saw. What I do dislike a bit however is playing for PPT when you say you’re doing it for the fights, as well as what happened at this reset when you had some TW on both SoR and JQ due to the 7 day transfer cool down. It sets up the chance for cross server info sharing which blows.

VOLKON.1290:

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update!

On my totally confused asura toon… …. …… ..LOL

D:

That photo… all I could think of was “I see your schwartz is as big as mine.”

(If you don’t know the reference:)

You’re showing your age VOLKON. Crap so am I. Bah I don’t care!

May the schwartz be with you!