Guild Wars 2

illenos.5134:

Edit: Why is Jayne highjacking so many threads? So many discussions end up with Jayne vs all…so pointless…

Why are you on the wrong side of the argument? So far this thread has been divided between players who know how to fight well and can respect an even fight, and players who probably still use full PVT and wouldn’t be able to fight their way out of a paper bag. Perhaps WvW should be instead reserved for the fighters and the PPTers should be forced to use EotM.

Only a WvW player knows this thread exists.

Ben K.6238:

apharma.3741:

Mesmers want the trait “The Pledge” changed.

Currently it allows you to reduce the torch skill prestige to go from 30s to 13s by camping stealth

This is what is breaking it. This is what the problem is. Not PU. It is the torch trait!

It’s useless for anything but a stealth camping build. Mesmers want it changed to not promote stealth camping and be useful in other builds.

That and PU both need changing. The Pledge certainly makes it even worse (and the condi clears are nice to have, so it’s not useless aside from the cooldown mod) but PU alone makes it trivially easy to escape from situations that other classes can only avoid getting into.

Actually if you just ran PU without the torch trait (but illusions line) you would have to dedicate all your utility slots, elite and an offhand weapon to get 28s continuous stealth. You would then have a 2s gap. You would then only have another 12s and that’s it. The jig is up.

Your next stealth isn’t for 18s and you don’t have any utility slots other than blink as your using mimic for decoy so it’s not like you can portal somewhere either.

That’s without mentioning the bursts of pink flame you spout when using the torch. Don’t forget memser has very very poor out of combat mobility with terrible access to swiftness unless running focus offhand.

Change the torch trait and it’ll solve the problem. Heck just make it torch skills remove 2 conditions and I’d be happy.

The problem with this idea is that its not fair. It assumes bringing fairness to an unfair scenario, but that scenario doesnt necessarily happen. There are 3 sides playing. 2 could be clashing zergs, while 1 is outmanned. Good. But what if that 1 side has 10 players running around “outmanned” avoiding the enemy zergs and instead ganking 1-5 man groups? With this buff, it would cause issues to the outmanned roamers that has the unfortune of a zerg elsewhere on the map. You cant fully determine whats outmanned on border numbers alone when we start looking at individual fights. Not everything is zerg vs zerg in known numbers.

I much prefer the idea of not allowing rallying off a kill on an outmanned player. It maintains the core game mechanics and instead of annoying players by punishing them when killed by outmanned player, it reduces the effect of one of the most annoying things in the game, rallybots.

I read the topic title as WvW Underwear and I got confused but now I’m also pretty disappointed that it wasn’t the topic after all.

2, 1, 6
5, 3, 10
4, 8, 9
7, 11, 12

Eat your heart out NA

http://mos.millenium.org/eu/matchups

Cecilia.5179:

I understand that some people think that is is normal to not get rewarded for having fun, but that isn’t what GW2 is about. The development team is against forcing people to do hours of mindless farming instead of something that they find fun. WvW is a fun playstyle that many people participate in. Shouldn’t it be just as rewarding as PvE?

I completely agree that WvW isn’t very rewarding, nowhere near as rewarding as Silverwastes/other PvE. I think most of our complaints were with the OP identifying lack of WvW rewards as seemingly their #1 complaint with WvW (enough to make them “angry”) when in reality there are far more pressing problems with WvW.

The problem with increasing rewards in WvW is finding a way to do it without causing unintended side-effects. Increase the rewards for taking objectives? It’ll just encourage karma-training and players stacking on servers so they can take objectives from defenseless servers more easily. Increase the rewards for killing players? That encourages zerging too at a minimum (it’s a lot easier and faster to kill players in big groups) and may also encourage kill-trading like what we’ve seen with people OS farming. Increase rewards for defending objectives? That may encourage players to just turtle up in objectives and never go out and fight.

Even adding rewards tracks like in PvP, which many have asked for (and I personally am somewhat in favor of too) has the potential to backfire, if players figure out they can advance their reward track faster by stacking on a more populated server/karma-training in off-hours/blobbing up more.

TL;DR: Rewards in a PvP game mode are really tricky to do right, and have incredible potential for generating unintended and undesired player behavior. It’s an extremely delicate balance. Most of us are fine with rewards being mediocre for this reason, as long as the action in WvW itself is fun.

You’re entitled to go wherever you want in WvW the same way you’re allowed to go wherever you want in a public park.

That still doesn’t make it acceptable to go and sit in the middle of someone’s picnic and demand to be included in their frisbee game.

At this point I’d settle for a post about the very first wvw season ending and congratulating the winners.

I think we put more effort into this than they did.

Yup, I don’t see the same response to wvw going forward… The reward for those who were really caring about such isn’t worth the time.

It just looks like a lot of mesmers, that kinda the point of the class

Quaggan has nothing to fear from crates… right?

Sophiera.1209:

How do you tell each other apart? To us, all krait look the same.

Krait is not wanting to say you are racist, but…

Krait will not say it, then.

Rune Lockhart.3016:

THIS is the best post ive seen this whole year!! sooo funny and cute! makes me love krait!!

Thank you! Krait loves humans, too! Even if some of them cannot tell krait apart.

Merus.9475:

I am suspicious of this “krait”. They haven’t once tried to get people to build obelisks to their gods, and they’ve shown an uncharacteristic amount of empathy and humility.\

Are all charr Flame Legion? Are all humans bandits?

pessimist.7294:

Out of curiosity: Does Krait listen music? And if yes what kind of?

Krait’s ABSOLUTE FAVORITE music is in Divinity’s Reach! But Krait is too frightened to get close enough again to hear it well…

Kain Francois.4328:

This thread got mentioned by the official ANET Twitter. Woah! :O
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/405140321069445120

Thank you, everyone who is nice enough to tell Krait place things to see, and to ask Krait questions!

Krait returned to hospital, to see human soldier friend, but found this human instead.

please, please.. stop coming to the forums to complain about this “double-teaming” business. i know that we are used to winning because we’ve been above average right from the start (i was pretty active last year before i took a long break), but that doesn’t mean we’re entitled to win without working hard for it

posting random screenies of red and blue players standing next to each other doesn’t prove anything. complaining about 2v1 because we’re 3rd place is just embarrassing because we do it ourselves

we need to work on getting a stable community who are keen on wvw, we need to secure our teamspeak server, we need to choose our fights wisely, we need to not give up when the fight gets tough, we need to stomp [gck] many more times, but most of all i think we need to improve our attitudes and be less arrogant

if we lose, it’s not because we got 2v1ed, but because we’re a long way from being the best server

so please, think before you post. if you hate me for this, that’s fine. but if our server continues acting childish and expecting to win without effort, then i’m afraid i would gladly pay to transfer elsewhere

Juste for my information, why everyone bothers to answer cazza ?

wux.7314:

I am not denying anything, just saying what I see and what the statistics are. Guess we will never know who should have won the league, what you say is just words with nothing to back it up, SFR beating Vizu before league in a fair fight is facts. All Vizu have done so far is double team SFR so no one will ever know the true result. The first matchup was not an agreed double team but it was ‘presumed’ because of the mutually beneficial gains for both teams. Either way it was still a double team. Vizu barely attacked piken either so you can’t put all blame on Piken. We even saw piken and vizu players /wave at each other as they passed, you can’t lie about it because we were there, we saw it! Now this last matchup is an agreed double team but it doesn’t really matter because most of SFR are loving the constant fights, too bad we will never know who the better league server was though. No one will respect Vizu or Pikens league scores because of this. Piken don’t deserve third and we don’t know if Vizu would have come first without Pikens help. Oh well, at least SFR can be proud of their servers result.

Normally, I could see Piken and SFR ‘doubleteaming’ Viz in this matchup since that would normally make more sense and would bring more interesting results imho.

But I will speak for myself here. One of the numerous reasons I think Piken and Vizunah prefer to bash SFR instead is because some of your people’s lack of respect, constant insulting and trolling towards other servers in the forums while feeding your meaningless egos. The first thing SFR forum warriors did in the previous thread when the match started was to verbally bash and insult Vizunah, and the same has been done towards Piken in the past and now.

Sadly, some of your people really depict SFR as outright kittenbags, and I really can’t blame Viz and Piken wanting to get back at you for that. With that said, I think you should turn your daggers towards your forum warriors for this seemingly expected outcome.

Hello Elonas, hello SFR, hello everybody else : one question and two warnings

_Do you share the same TS, SFR and ER, it’s the very first time that we have this feeling about our opponent but you do such a wonderfully coordinated work together ! ?

_Be careful ER, next week SFR won’t be able to defend your towers and take our forts while you spawncamp, it will be way more difficult. Firestyl i ttly agree with you, next week sounds like a strong revenge.

_/!\ For everybody else, be careful about how honorless SFR and ER can be, it’s rly rly hard to see a sfr and an ER who never fight eachother , neither 40vs40, nor 1vs1 and you need a lot of selfcontrol in order not to break your keyboard if you are a bit nervous like me ^^

Yet, i will try to keep it polite and i wish you GL but trust me i am not having fun at all during this match-up and i hope some of you feel bad about what you do, not everybody but at least if some of you do they are great

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Roe.3679:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Zikory.6871:

folly dragon.4126:

First place winners should get 10g
Second place should get 50g
Third place should get 100g
Fourth place should get 300g

You see where I am going with this?

First place servers dont need the help, they are perfect the way they are.

So you want to promote not showing up to get better rewards? Turn the game into who can do worse? Keep the ideas coming….

Personally I liked his idea. I mean, the gold will help those servers buy some rare or exotic gear. They could also use some of it to hire a build crafter for their guilds.

Or they could use it to buy guilds.

Or hats!

Nightcaps.

Hi Fannwong,

May I ask what are the reasons for posting this here on the official forums when you have your server forums that may be more fitted for this type of discussion. Why is it necessary that this is public out side of SoR?

Being on Maguuma is it’s own reward.

Only a WvW player never thinks of Richard Nixon when someone mentions Watergate.

Despite the growing pains (queues, puggers, achievement bugs, etc) I feel like new life has been breathed into WvW with the dawn of season 1.

The queuing problem will probably help with server population imbalance. On the higher servers some people won’t even be able to get into WvW enough to get the season meta achievement, so there will certainly be some spreading out as a result of this.

Sure, a lot of PvE players are carrot-chasing newbs, but a big portion of non-WvW players simply have never taken the time to get into it and understand it. It’s a completely different mindset and attitude from PvE – almost an entirely different game – a lot more players than many of you think are going to continue to enter and play WvW after they get their carrots. Why? Because its kittenING FUN why the hell do YOU play WvW? It’s the single most re-playable aspect of the game. It has never received the attention us hardcore players think it should and now we’re crying because it’s getting too much!?

Yes some leagues, NA Gold for example, are decided before they begin – but so many issues we’ve been QQing about for a year have been flipped on their head:

“WvW gets no love” -> the biggest living story achievement set ever? WvW season 1
“Server gaps too big” -> now even middle servers queuing all maps
“T1 gets too much reward” -> good luck T1 even getting in to WvW
“There’s no GvG” -> ok not league-related but they’re giving us a place to GvG!
“It’s a blobfest” -> now you gotta stop blobbing to escape the skill lag
“Matchups are bad” -> not perfect, but much better now

As far as NA goes, Devon really should be thankful he changed it to 6/9/9 instead of the original 12/12. Crystal Desert vs Anvil Rock or Jade Quarry vs Yak’s Bend would have been just laughable. Now Bronze league is super-competitive and fighting for 2nd and 3rd place in silver is going to be legitimately interesting.

I think I’ll just get some things out of the way early on in the thread.

Elona, stop blobbing, Piken stop blobbing, SFR stop blobbing, wait we don’t blob we play for fights, no we have better roamers than you, actually we can’t help blobs, pugs keep following comm tag etc. etc.

Now that’s out the way, let’s see how long we can keep this thread civil :p

GG! Vabbi is the winner
We are now the number 1 server of EU

saiyr.3071:

Hexin.5603:

Everyone moving to JQ, and will not be able to WvW anymore … that is funny. Let’s see, WvW + MERC + RISE + MEOW who ever the hell other scrubs jump ship … Chuu chuu and his 10 men … all enjoy waiting in queue.

Why go? just to get a golden yak, you never actually contributed for? … ya cool bro, you want a golden cookie too? Maybe a golden shower?

I think its time to pop over to EU where real players play. Watch the hiroshima bomb of US go off. This has been quite the funny week.

Back up a second, where did mister Chuu Chuu go?

Well, a day or two in SoR … didn’t last … then back to TC and we liked him here … but he didn’t like us the same. It’s a love hate relation, so he went where winners go …

and took some 10 people with him, and has IM’d multiple others. We’re probably gonna hit up an EU server, this NA stuff is a joke.

So RISE and MEOW landed in FA permanently, coolbeans, I just saw one of them note yesterday that they weren’t done yet. So …

It’s actually quite a compliment when mag’s comes to the thread… and laughs genuinely. No trolling at all.

Don’t get me wrong, Chuu had his reasons, he’s tired of TC. We enjoyed when he was here though, but have many others commanding always. TC full of RPers to fill the boots, and I’m sure we can find someone who wants to role play a WXP conductor.

This week has been hilariously fun though, both in game and to my surprise… this forum is just great entertainment at work.