Guild Wars 2

That OP man, that OP.

Christina.5103:

I’ll never forget the day a pregnant woman berated me outside a grocery store for taking the handicapped space she wanted.

Wow that’s low. People are so quick to judge.

Sounds like we want a villian more like Canach?

If I wrote a villain, I’d make him a giant purple hippopotamus wearing a top hat and hate any villain that wasn’t that.

No.

I am a little surprised that Rubi had to point that out, but such is life

Nike.2631:

By players, maybe. Somehow she ends up being the voice of reason in the teenage angst festival that is her guild . Or maybe its just the gushing even other Sylvari do about her (“Have you ever been hunting with Caithe?”) piled on top of the general fawning heaped on Sylvari by NPCs the world over .

Her guild distrusts her. The people that associate with her guild distrust her. Just about every non-sylvari NPC we see her contact distrusts her. The only praise she gets is from other sylvari, and it’s just the praise the sylvari give to all of their firstborn.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Caithe is the only NPC in the entire game who is unimpressed in some fashion by Scarlet.

Two npcs. Canach didn’t care for her much either. Though, judging by his dialogue, she probably bruised his ego in some way.

^Might this be because Caithe compares Scarlet (or Ceara back then) to herself? It can be ignorance and/or arrogance from Caithe, but maybe Caithe knows something (or someone) that made Ceara look insignificant.

I’d argue it’s to Caithe because of how Caithe viewed Ceara. In Twilight Arbor, Caithe says she remembers Ceara but that she wasn’t impressed. Pale Tree, on the other hand, makes mention that she was gifted and the like. Almost everyone else did.

Caithe is the only NPC in the entire game who is unimpressed in some fashion by Scarlet.

I think what she’s saying isn’t as important as who she’s saying it to.

Why not address it to the Pale Tree, why not anyone else who doubts Tyria needs her, which is almost everyone?

She states she knows one of Caithe’s darkest secrets or perhaps even more than one and we know from the Aetherpath that Scarlet and Ceara knew each other, though how well is not explicitly stated, just that Caithe ’wasn’t impressed’.

Either way, I think the blades are a small part of her overall ‘battle suit’ we’ll see her in during next release, and I hope this secret is revealed, be it either Scarlet just screwing with her and there is no secret or the actual secret itself.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

If Zhaitan had specifically wanted LA then he would have gone after it. As it stands there were never any major Risen attacks on LA (I’m ignoring Sea of Sorrows).
Had Zhaitan been aware of whatever if under Lions Arch he could have flown over and dealt with it – we wouldn’t have been able to defeat him.

I would count the Claw Island attack as a major attack against LA. Without the Orders helping the city, it would have been completely overrun by Risen and taken over.

Plus, Zhaitan hasn’t really moved the entire time it has been awake. It seems perfectly content with only sending its forces out to take care of stuff. This seems to apply to most of the Elder Dragons, especially from a gameplay perspective.

It’s not really realistic, but having lazy (or just slow) Elder Dragons evens out the playing fields. With how powerful the Elder Dragons are, they could have easily conquered all of Tyria in a year, if not a couple of months time. All they would have to do is a fly over of the land and corrupt/destroy it as the go.

So, sure, if Zhaitan wanted something, it could have easily taken it. But if it did that for everything, we (the player characters) would have probably either be corrupted or killed a long time ago.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Erukk.1408:

It makes me wonder if Zhaitan wanted LA for the leyline convergence under it…

If Zhaitan had specifically wanted LA then he would have gone after it. As it stands there were never any major Risen attacks on LA (I’m ignoring Sea of Sorrows).
Had Zhaitan been aware of whatever if under Lions Arch he could have flown over and dealt with it – we wouldn’t have been able to defeat him.

I would disagree, about not sending a major attack on LA.

He took Claw Island, but thanks to the mentor(s) and player character, the force was beaten down sizeably (per Vigil storyline right after Claw Islands’ fall), so a sizable force couldn’t have been sent to LA. However, after the “feint” assault on Lion’s Arch, Zhaitan struck the Orders’ HQs, nearly toppling the biggest threats to Zhaitan.

I don’t know if Zhaitan was truly after Lion’s Arch. I think he was trying to destroy the biggest threats to him – just like his assaults during Forging the Pact (trying to keep the newly formed Pact from obtaining ancient history that could help them defeat him; and trying to kill the Marshal at the same time) as well as the “dishonored by allies” fear storyline, in which he sends a mesmer to try to frame you, the biggest of all threats, and assassinate Trahearne again. Even in Battle for Fort Trinity, he tried to take out the biggest threat.

All of Zhaitan’s big moves has been to remove potential threats – though he never bothered to send his full forces, which I attest to future-Trahearne’s statements during A Light in the Darkness, that Zhaitan grew overconfident because he awoke on a nation of ready soldiers and magic.

I suspect Scarlet’s doing the same, even now. Her first assault was via the Molten Alliance, attacking norn and Iron Legion (two of the four biggest national supporters of the Pact); second was via Aetherblades on Lion’s Arch (third biggest national supporter of the Pact); her third pre-planned assault was via Toxic Alliance on Kryta (final biggest national supporter of the Pact). Then with Origins of Madness, we saw X’s over each Orders HQ and Lion’s Arch – she couldn’t have (likely) known that the probe for searching ley lines was going to trigger at LA. I think she was intending to assault the X’s after the drill attack, and it just happened that the probe that turned green was at one of the next targets.

Even though her arc is closing, I don’t think this assault was intended to become her final action.

This also matches the actions of the other Elder Dragons’ risings:

• The Great Destroyer awoke to annihilate all life, as Primordus doesn’t use living beings in his corruptions. When Primordus awoke, he finished the Great Destroyer’s job underground – whatever races the Great Destroyer didn’t kill or force out of the area, displacing them, Primordus did.
• When Jormag awoke, the first thing he did was topple kodan icebergs and assault the norn. Even before awaking, Drakkar spent years – decades even – obtaining a cult (Sons of Svanir) and using them to raise Jormag; even before awaking, Jormag and his forces was dividing the races.
• When Kralkatorrik awoke, he immediately sought out the biggest threat: Glint. Even when passing by, he struck an attack on Ebonhawke – something insignificant in the long run compared to him, but a fortified structure that held two military camps – it wasn’t even his main goal, but he went and attempted a minor assault on a potential military threat.
• Even the deep sea dragon went and assaulted, not enough to wipe out but force out, the vicious krait, resilient karka, and assassin-cultured largos.

All of the Elder Dragons’ first noticeable assaults, is them weakening or attacking potential threats – rather than them first seeking out ambient magic and corrupting the land around them to make minions (only Zhaitan has not corrupted the land itself into minions; but he didn’t really need to either, thanks to waking on a mountain of corpses).

If the entity is Mordremoth, that would be what Scarlet’s doing – on top of whatever plan she has for the ley lines too.

Indeed, they are fully aware that people do data-mine, and as such I found it rather weird that they would include such information (if real) in the dat-file, especially that early.

But time will tell.
Personally I think that while the basic story might very well follow what they have released, it is likely that it will play out differently.

Elrey.5472:

If you actually did read this entire 15 pages thread… i’m sorry to say that you’ll get no surprise. I know i didn’t get a reaction at all, i expected something like that. However if you are really into gw2 lore and how the world changes, you might have hype for a few minutes after discovering what’s happening.

That’s i guess the problem about the theorycrafting theories. If someone actually finds the right guessing and you read it (and you believe it makes sense and will happen), the surprise feelings are gone when it actually happens and your reaction lacks of emotion.

So no large amounts of threads of certain individuals hating the living story?

Darkbattlemage.9612:

Elrey.5472:

If the datamined ending is correct… i can only say that we’re not gonna be surprised, it has been an accurate theory for months. Just wait for a week and we’ll see what happens. Nevertheless, i bet we’re gonna have more questions than answers.

In your opinion, since you appear to have seen the datamine, what would be the largest reaction from the community? I am actually curious what to expect when I get off work, since I’ll be starting work again next month.

If you actually did read this entire 15 pages thread… i’m sorry to say that you’ll get no surprise. I know i didn’t get a reaction at all, i expected something like that. However if you are really into gw2 lore and how the world changes, you might have hype for a few minutes after discovering what’s happening.

That’s i guess the problem about the theorycrafting theories. If someone actually finds the right guessing and you read it (and you believe it makes sense and will happen), the surprise feelings are gone when it actually happens and your reaction lacks of emotion.

Edit: What i can say for sure is that it’s all up about Anet. Knowing what is coming is interesting, however i’m honestly curious as how it’s delivered to us. If they give us a lot of information and details, animations, events, etc and it feels like really awesome… the ending of the LS might be incredible. However if the update will lack of answers, give us just the minimum information and the events doesn’t feel enough good… it’s gonna be a dissapointing ending.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Really? I had been pronouncing it like Sarah…

Humorously, Scarlet’s original name is pronounced the same/similar as MY sylvari! (Kierra – Kee-ehr-ah) o.o And I play her as a forced Soundless (something traumatic happened, she lost her connection)… just like Scarlet…. And both had the same cowl…

STOP STEALING MY CHARACTER ANET!

:P

Thank goodness Kierra doesn’t go “teehee” and is a thief not engineer…

well, scarlet stole those watchknights :P

also, YOU MUST IMPROVE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF OLD IRISH NAMES. it’s see-ah-ra, right? haven’t seen anything in-game that made it seem like i was pronouncing it wrong.

BrunoBRS.5178:

canach met scarlet “briefly, as ceara”. said what everyone already knew about her personality. she was too busy being arrogant and egocentric to pay attention to people around her or care, so he didn’t like her and went on with his life. as for what he knows of scarlet, i think it’s just what he overheard from prison.

but yeah, it sounds canach is on the path of redemption. he refused to escape from prison and intends to serve his full time. he wants to avoid southsun because of his past mistakes too.

Yah, seems like that theory people had about Canach joining the “new destiny’s edge” might end up coming to fruition now that he’s trying to redeem himself and all.

Also, it blew my mind when Canach said “Ceara”. I always figured it was pronounced See-ra, but he pronounced it Kee-ar-ah. Minor thing, but yah. Surprising.

Stephen.6312:

Hey, I was reading Scarlet’s journal again. She writes,

“Tonight, I saw it. I stared into the abyss, and it stared back at me. So much power. I don’t know what’s real and what isn’t anymore.”

This is similar to the words of Friedrich Nietzsche:
“He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.”

Nietzsche promoted an idea he coined the “Apollonian/Dionysian dichotomy”. Could Ceara be wrestling with herself? Ceara may represent Dream, whereas Scarlet represents NIghtmare? I really don’t know, although I think that maybe this dichotomy served as the inspiration for the in-game concepts Dream and Nightmare.

During story mode of Twilight Arbor, the same analogue is used for Faolain, when she first saw the Nightmare, I believe. The idea used was that Caithe saw and looked away, but Faolain continued looking and it consumed her. Don’t recall exact wordings and it’s not on the wiki sadly… And it may have been Edge of Destiny, in fact.

BTW, the inspiration is already stated long ago to have been the Seelie and Unseelie Court of Scottish folklore. Though that very commonly used line may have been the inspiration between these two bits, the line (stare long enough into the abyss and it stares back into you) is used almost everywhere.